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Old 12-02-2006, 01:21 AM
Scott Ehrlich
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Default Verizon and ESN Charges!


Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
service.

Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
good price, too!

Scott

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Old 12-02-2006, 01:42 AM
Don R.
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

You are the first to know, as my VZW website still allows ESN changes. Yes,
if you call, you will be charged. But the website change option still is
available.

"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>
> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> service.
>
> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
> good price, too!
>
> Scott




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Old 12-02-2006, 02:09 AM
Dean
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

Scott,

It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become "picky",
that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only allow you to
switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities. There's a VZW term
for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it is. For example, I am
currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's online to activate my old
v60s, however I have been able to switch to a vx4400 or the wife's old v276.

Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.

Were you trying to activate an older phone?

HTH,
Dean




"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>
> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> service.
>
> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
> good price, too!
>
> Scott




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Old 12-02-2006, 02:39 AM
eff
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:09:43 GMT, "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Scott,
>
>It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become "picky",
>that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only allow you to
>switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities. There's a VZW term
>for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it is. For example, I am
>currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's online to activate my old
>v60s, however I have been able to switch to a vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
>
>Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
>
>Were you trying to activate an older phone?
>
>HTH,
>Dean
>


The on-line esn change page won't let me change from my e815 to my v3m
or visa versa.


>
>
>
>"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
>news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>>
>> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
>> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
>> service.
>>
>> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
>> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
>> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
>> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
>> good price, too!
>>
>> Scott

>



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Old 12-02-2006, 03:44 AM
Don R.
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

Mine did. There is a feature that customer service needs to activate on your
account that is causing the problem. Also, if you call and tell them that
you tried to activate online and it wouldn't take, they will waive the
activation charge. Hopefully they will also fix the problem with your setup
so it will work going forward. They would not tell me what it was they had
to adjust in my setup. Same thing for my wife's phone. I switch back and
forth now between my V710, E815, and V3M with no problem.

"eff" <notvalid@noreply.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:09:43 GMT, "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott,
>>
>>It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become
>>"picky",
>>that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only allow you to
>>switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities. There's a VZW term
>>for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it is. For example, I
>>am
>>currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's online to activate my old
>>v60s, however I have been able to switch to a vx4400 or the wife's old
>>v276.
>>
>>Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
>>
>>Were you trying to activate an older phone?
>>
>>HTH,
>>Dean
>>

>
> The on-line esn change page won't let me change from my e815 to my v3m
> or visa versa.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
>>news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
>>> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
>>> service.
>>>
>>> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
>>> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
>>> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
>>> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at
>>> a
>>> good price, too!
>>>
>>> Scott

>>

>




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Old 12-02-2006, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

t-mobile is not living up to my expectations. they sent me 4 phones
when I ordered 2. I sent 2 back. Now they tell me they never received
them. They don't know why my payment wasn't credited to my account.
What they do know is that I am a liar, and they are free with that
feedback. I'm a liar. Eventhough I only activated 2 phones they tell
me I activated all 4. Are the 2 I sent back in use ? That they can't
tell me. They can tell me I have 2 accounts. Oh, they told me not to
worry when I told them I had 4 phones when I first called in to
activate the 2 I do use. Don't even send the 2 back, give them for
Christmas presents. Don't worry we will take care of the details. Now
I know that what they didn't take care of was cancelling the extra
account. What they didn't do was note that the phones were returned.
What they are willing to do is call me a liar. They are willing to
tell me that I need to take this up with UPS. Hey, wasn't this their
mistake ! Their mistake but I'm stuck with quite a mess.
eff wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:09:43 GMT, "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Scott,
> >
> >It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become "picky",
> >that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only allow you to
> >switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities. There's a VZW term
> >for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it is. For example, I am
> >currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's online to activate my old
> >v60s, however I have been able to switch to a vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
> >
> >Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
> >
> >Were you trying to activate an older phone?
> >
> >HTH,
> >Dean
> >

>
> The on-line esn change page won't let me change from my e815 to my v3m
> or visa versa.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
> >news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> >> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> >> service.
> >>
> >> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> >> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> >> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> >> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
> >> good price, too!
> >>
> >> Scott

> >



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Old 12-02-2006, 07:13 AM
Scott Ehrlich
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

In article <X76ch.53$ne3.3@trndny03>, Dean <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Scott,
>
>It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become "picky",
>that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only allow you to
>switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities. There's a VZW term
>for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it is. For example, I am
>currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's online to activate my old
>v60s, however I have been able to switch to a vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
>
>Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.


Verizon would refuse the non-GPS, hence Page Plus Cellular and other
prepaid services for non-GPS ;-)

LG VX8300 > Nokia 6256i > back to LG VX8300

>
>Were you trying to activate an older phone?


See above.

Scott

>
>HTH,
>Dean
>
>
>
>
>"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
>news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>>
>> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
>> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
>> service.
>>
>> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
>> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
>> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
>> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
>> good price, too!
>>
>> Scott

>
>




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Old 12-02-2006, 01:27 PM
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On 2 Dec 2006 00:04:04 -0800, "pripar"
<cfwq1faigst5k9o@senseless-entertainment.com> wrote:

>They are willing to
>tell me that I need to take this up with UPS. Hey, wasn't this their
>mistake ! Their mistake but I'm stuck with quite a mess.


Don't all UPS packages have tracking numbers? It should be a simple
matter to determine if the phones were returned.

A_C

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Old 12-02-2006, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: Verizon and ESN Charges!

In article <1165046644.041883.42940@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.c om>, pripar wrote:
> t-mobile is not living up to my expectations. they sent me 4 phones
> when I ordered 2. I sent 2 back. Now they tell me they never received
> them.


You have tracking numbers, right? You insured the phones, right?

(Those questions apply if you used UPS/Fedex/some package service or the
Post Office's Express Mail service. If you used Priority Mail or First
Class Mail, you are screwed since there are no guarantees of delivery in
any specific timeframe, although you still can buy insurance in case the
package disappears.)

>They don't know why my payment wasn't credited to my account.
> What they do know is that I am a liar, and they are free with that
> feedback.


I'm not going to call you a liar, but I hope you took the few
precautions you needed to take to protect yourself when sending the
phones back.

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Old 12-02-2006, 05:43 PM
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In article <s633n2pdtb197rptfsmttmjbk2s69v6k0t@4ax.com>, Agent_C wrote:
> On 2 Dec 2006 00:04:04 -0800, "pripar"
><cfwq1faigst5k9o@senseless-entertainment.com> wrote:
>
>>They are willing to
>>tell me that I need to take this up with UPS. Hey, wasn't this their
>>mistake ! Their mistake but I'm stuck with quite a mess.

>
> Don't all UPS packages have tracking numbers? It should be a simple
> matter to determine if the phones were returned.


And the packages are insured for $100 for no additional charge, with
an additional fee of about a half a buck per $100 if you declare a
higher value; you can make a claim and get your money back if UPS screwed up.

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Old 12-02-2006, 05:58 PM
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I just attempted to do an ESN change from my e815 to my vx4400. The system
rejected it. When I called, I was told it's the "V-Cast" capability that
screws it up. I did it via Customer Svc rep. I'll try it some other time,
but it looks like you can switch from one "V-Cast" phone to another online.
As I said, haven't tried that yet.

Another poster mentioned that there might be a code involved on VZW's end
which might make the online ESN switch easier. Anyone know what it is?

Also, I was told they'd waive the fees for this switch, but in the future
I'd have to pay for any ESN changes done via CS. Sooner or later, I guess
I'll be testing this out, but the first rep automatically said he would
waive the fee because it's "not your fault the system wouldn't take the
change". It's still not my fault, but next time it appears I'll be charged
anyway.

Anybody out there who does ESN changes frequently and can comment on this??

Thanks,
Dean

"Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:X76ch.53$ne3.3@trndny03...
> Scott,
>
> It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become
> "picky", that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only
> allow you to switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities.
> There's a VZW term for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it
> is. For example, I am currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's
> online to activate my old v60s, however I have been able to switch to a
> vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
>
> Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
>
> Were you trying to activate an older phone?
>
> HTH,
> Dean
>
>
>
>
> "Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
> news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>>
>> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
>> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
>> service.
>>
>> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
>> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
>> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
>> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at
>> a
>> good price, too!
>>
>> Scott

>
>




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Old 12-03-2006, 04:42 AM
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First post to this group so here is my formal "Hello! How ya doin...?"
*grin*

I agree, this is probably the worst thing I have ever seen Verizon do.
One thing I don't believe people understand is that Verizon is growing
at a rate of speed they never expected. The company has no debt and is
owned mostly by Vodaphone. Vodaphone is the largest cellular carrier in
Europe (GSM of course). Data is ruling the world.

If you think about it. You could technically get a PDA data only and
use Skype to make your phone calls!!!
I believe the future holds no charge for Voice and devices specifically
made for Wireless data only and they will become more prevelant. Only
the true tech geeks would think of something like that these days!...

Verizon makes decisions and takes them back frequently. From what I
know you can perform and ESN change from My Account without a charge
and yes the fee is $20 dollars in store or via a CSR.

Next thing you know they will implement a service charge for My
Account... hmmm....

Anyone own a 7130e?

Jeff


On Dec 1, 9:21 pm, s...@mit.edu (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:
> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> service.
>
> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at a
> good price, too!
>
> Scott



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Old 12-03-2006, 05:55 AM
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In article <1165124522.898377.204790@73g2000cwn.googlegroups. com>, jwd wrote:

> If you think about it. You could technically get a PDA data only and
> use Skype to make your phone calls!!!


That's been covered recently in this newsgroup. I'm pretty sure
that would piss off Verizon management... which might be good reason
to do it. :>

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Old 12-03-2006, 12:48 PM
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jwd wrote:
> First post to this group so here is my formal "Hello! How ya doin...?"
> *grin*
>
> I agree, this is probably the worst thing I have ever seen Verizon do.
> One thing I don't believe people understand is that Verizon is growing
> at a rate of speed they never expected. The company has no debt and is
> owned mostly by Vodaphone.


Verizon Wireless is mostly owned by By Verizon with a stake of 55 or 60
percent. Vodophone owns the rest.

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Old 12-03-2006, 06:46 PM
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In article <eBAch.17208$kz1.15996@trnddc07>, Dave wrote:

> Verizon Wireless is mostly owned by By Verizon with a stake of 55 or 60
> percent. Vodophone owns the rest.


55% VZ, 45% Voda, but Vodafone has been looking to shed the 45% for
some time now.

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Old 12-05-2006, 05:54 PM
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I assume that by moving from a VCAST phone to a regular 1x phone will
cause issues features have to be removed and added. This puts the
web-based system at rish. No code added could help. If it fails call
*611 complain that you can't change your ESN online and refuse the fee.
Ask for a supervisor if the person won't help you.

CHECK THE WORRY FREE GUARANTEE. If you know the ins and outs of this
you have armor. If the CSR does not know it and you bring out a problem
and quote the Worry Free Guarantee they have no choice.

Jeff


Dean wrote:
> I just attempted to do an ESN change from my e815 to my vx4400. The system
> rejected it. When I called, I was told it's the "V-Cast" capability that
> screws it up. I did it via Customer Svc rep. I'll try it some other time,
> but it looks like you can switch from one "V-Cast" phone to another online.
> As I said, haven't tried that yet.
>
> Another poster mentioned that there might be a code involved on VZW's end
> which might make the online ESN switch easier. Anyone know what it is?
>
> Also, I was told they'd waive the fees for this switch, but in the future
> I'd have to pay for any ESN changes done via CS. Sooner or later, I guess
> I'll be testing this out, but the first rep automatically said he would
> waive the fee because it's "not your fault the system wouldn't take the
> change". It's still not my fault, but next time it appears I'll be charged
> anyway.
>
> Anybody out there who does ESN changes frequently and can comment on this??
>
> Thanks,
> Dean
>
> "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:X76ch.53$ne3.3@trndny03...
> > Scott,
> >
> > It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become
> > "picky", that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only
> > allow you to switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities.
> > There's a VZW term for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it
> > is. For example, I am currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's
> > online to activate my old v60s, however I have been able to switch to a
> > vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
> >
> > Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
> >
> > Were you trying to activate an older phone?
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
> > news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> >> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> >> service.
> >>
> >> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> >> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> >> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> >> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at
> >> a
> >> good price, too!
> >>
> >> Scott

> >
> >



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Old 12-05-2006, 05:55 PM
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I assume that by moving from a VCAST phone to a regular 1x phone will
cause issues features have to be removed and added. This puts the
web-based system at risk for continuous errors. They put this in to
decrease the call in rate. No code added could help. If it fails call
*611 complain that you can't change your ESN online and refuse the fee.
Ask for a supervisor if the person won't help you.

CHECK THE WORRY FREE GUARANTEE. If you know the ins and outs of this
you have armor. If the CSR does not know it and you bring out a problem
and quote the Worry Free Guarantee they have no choice.

Jeff


Dean wrote:
> I just attempted to do an ESN change from my e815 to my vx4400. The system
> rejected it. When I called, I was told it's the "V-Cast" capability that
> screws it up. I did it via Customer Svc rep. I'll try it some other time,
> but it looks like you can switch from one "V-Cast" phone to another online.
> As I said, haven't tried that yet.
>
> Another poster mentioned that there might be a code involved on VZW's end
> which might make the online ESN switch easier. Anyone know what it is?
>
> Also, I was told they'd waive the fees for this switch, but in the future
> I'd have to pay for any ESN changes done via CS. Sooner or later, I guess
> I'll be testing this out, but the first rep automatically said he would
> waive the fee because it's "not your fault the system wouldn't take the
> change". It's still not my fault, but next time it appears I'll be charged
> anyway.
>
> Anybody out there who does ESN changes frequently and can comment on this??
>
> Thanks,
> Dean
>
> "Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:X76ch.53$ne3.3@trndny03...
> > Scott,
> >
> > It has been mentioned here that the web-based ESN change has become
> > "picky", that is, if you have a newer, "GIN"-type phone, it will only
> > allow you to switch ESN's to another phone of the same capabilities.
> > There's a VZW term for these capabilities, I just can't remember what it
> > is. For example, I am currently using an e815. I cannot switch ESN's
> > online to activate my old v60s, however I have been able to switch to a
> > vx4400 or the wife's old v276.
> >
> > Note that AFAIK, the system won't let you activate a non-GPS phone.
> >
> > Were you trying to activate an older phone?
> >
> > HTH,
> > Dean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
> > news:4570e33f$0$580$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm the last to know, but I just discovered Verizon now no longer
> >> permits web-based ESN changes and charges $20 per when calling customer
> >> service.
> >>
> >> Should be interesting, in 2 years, when my contract is up, who is doing
> >> what. If T-Mobile is still a good value then, I'll be first in line!
> >> Putting my GSM SIM from phone to phone without charge (hopefully!) if I
> >> opt to change phones at my leisure, and hopefully unlimited GPRS/EDGE at
> >> a
> >> good price, too!
> >>
> >> Scott

> >
> >



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