On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:33:21 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J. Sobol"
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> graced this newsgroup with:
>In article <3eSdneSq1vmBd77YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@adelphia.com>, George wrote:
>
>> If someone has a medical problem or other issue where they need a
>> reliable phone the time to bring that up would be before ordering
>> whatever the new service might be.
>
>Wrong - part of the sales script should be "do you have a medical
>condition or other situation which may require working phones during
>a protracted power outage?"
>
>One day, someone is going to die as a result of FIOS phones not being
>available, and Verizon is going to get sued, probably for a large sum
>of money. A simple question or two could help them avoid that situation.
>
wrong...there may be a moral imperative to maintain phone service but
there's no *legal* requirement to do so.
Recently, there was a portion of Alexandria that was out for a WEEK.
Although it was definitely an inconvenience, there wasn't any legal
requirement to have it up and running. It was up when it came up.
And, quite frankly, more and more people are dropping landlines and
are just using their cell phones anyway.
If phone service is that critical, it's wise to have a cell phone
backup with multiple spare, charged batteries. And, a cheap
alternative to adding additional UPS's is just set your landline phone
number to autoforward to your cell phone until the power outage is
over.
Incidentally, as one who *has* FIOS for over a year now and who
watched the (6 hour) installation, I can tell you that the copper
lines were NOT removed from our residence. The copper lines are
buried in our backyard, they didn't dig up the copper. They just
disconnected the lines. I can even see where the lines are tied off
and stuffed back in the ground. I confirmed this with the installer.
My neighbors reported the same thing so, at least for this area, I'd
take any (unqualified) announcements of POTS copper being physically
removed with a HUGE grain of salt.
And yes, FIOS is *blazing* fast and their TV signal makes DISH and
DirecTv look like a fuzzy signal IMHO. But their HD DVR *sucks* but
it's the only game in town. Tivo doesn't work on it.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:48:11 -0400, "Ange1o DePa1ma"
<angelodpnospam@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ange1o DePa1ma wrote:
>>> BTW, any word on deployment in New Jersey, as in northwestern NJ? We were
>>> the last people on earth to get internet service. It would be a gas if we
>>> were among the first to receive fiber to the home.
Just got 30 Mbit FIOS on Monday in Princeton NJ.
Verizon claims they will cover the whole state because of the NJ
mandate to provide TV service uniformly, not just the cities.
Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <3eSdneSq1vmBd77YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@adelphia.com>, George wrote:
>
>> If someone has a medical problem or other issue where they need a
>> reliable phone the time to bring that up would be before ordering
>> whatever the new service might be.
>
> Wrong - part of the sales script should be "do you have a medical
> condition or other situation which may require working phones during
> a protracted power outage?"
>
> One day, someone is going to die as a result of FIOS phones not being
> available, and Verizon is going to get sued, probably for a large sum
> of money. A simple question or two could help them avoid that situation.
>
>
I agree they should be up front and it would be good if their welcome
kit would hit such key points. From a legal standpoint they are
providing a residential service where the TOS specifically is very
typical and defines that they don't guarantee anything and are not
responsible for any damages.
In the case of wireless Cingular and tmobile they are in much the same
position. They aren't big on battery or backup generators on their
equipment and probably very few people realize (especially the ones who
dropped their POTS) if they have one of those carriers the service will
likely be lost at the same time the commercial power fails.
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:00:46 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J. Sobol"
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> graced this newsgroup with:
>In article <lad8i252g1h1jlrc33ombccbkhqubndfdg@4ax.com>, amstaffs@home.com wrote:
>
>> wrong...there may be a moral imperative to maintain phone service but
>> there's no *legal* requirement to do so.
>
>No, there isn't. But someone in this situation who hires any half decent
>lawyer can probably nail them on other issues.
>
yeah right. A "half decent" lawyer against a limitless supply of $$
to feed their army of corporate lawyers. Good luck.
"Sandy A. Nicolaysen" <sandynic@verizon.net> wrote
>
>>> Ange1o DePa1ma wrote:
>>>> BTW, any word on deployment in New Jersey, as in northwestern NJ? We
>>>> were
>>>> the last people on earth to get internet service. It would be a gas if
>>>> we
>>>> were among the first to receive fiber to the home.
>
> Just got 30 Mbit FIOS on Monday in Princeton NJ.
>
> Verizon claims they will cover the whole state because of the NJ
> mandate to provide TV service uniformly, not just the cities.
>
> Not sure if this applies to other states.
Wow, that's great news. I'm about 65 miles north of you on Rte 206, in NJ.
In article <4nl8i2hl6dclr43c8ju5k6trupalejel32@4ax.com>, amstaffs@home.com wrote:
>>No, there isn't. But someone in this situation who hires any half decent
>>lawyer can probably nail them on other issues.
>
> yeah right. A "half decent" lawyer against a limitless supply of $$
> to feed their army of corporate lawyers. Good luck.
For what it's worth, I share your pessimism; however, I don't think it's
completely impossible to win such a case.
--
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Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
In article <CZednTowfudh2LnYnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@adelphia.com>, George wrote:
> I agree they should be up front and it would be good if their welcome
> kit would hit such key points. From a legal standpoint they are
> providing a residential service where the TOS specifically is very
> typical and defines that they don't guarantee anything and are not
> responsible for any damages.
>
> In the case of wireless Cingular and tmobile they are in much the same
> position. They aren't big on battery or backup generators on their
> equipment and probably very few people realize (especially the ones who
> dropped their POTS) if they have one of those carriers the service will
> likely be lost at the same time the commercial power fails.
Indeed. But there is one big difference. This is the US, where people don't
generally expect their wireless phone service to be as reliable as POTS.
FIOS-based phones are probably going to carry different expectations.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
> And, quite frankly, more and more people are dropping landlines and
> are just using their cell phones anyway.
>
> If phone service is that critical, it's wise to have a cell phone
> backup with multiple spare, charged batteries. And, a cheap
> alternative to adding additional UPS's is just set your landline phone
> number to autoforward to your cell phone until the power outage is
> over.
That is only is valid IF the cell system can handle the increased load.
My experience over the last few years is that when an "emergency" is
in full swing (couple inches of snow on a school day around here in RTP,
NC area ;-), the cell network is overwhelmed, and I mean Verizon's.
>
> Incidentally, as one who *has* FIOS for over a year now and who
> watched the (6 hour) installation, I can tell you that the copper
> lines were NOT removed from our residence. The copper lines are
> buried in our backyard, they didn't dig up the copper. They just
> disconnected the lines. I can even see where the lines are tied off
> and stuffed back in the ground. I confirmed this with the installer.
>
> My neighbors reported the same thing so, at least for this area, I'd
> take any (unqualified) announcements of POTS copper being physically
> removed with a HUGE grain of salt.
>
Well, here's opposite "testimony":
"After the installer verified that my phones and internet worked, he
removed the old NID box outside the house and took down the 300' copper
run to the pole. While I'm a little nervous about power outages, I've
always got my cell phone and my wife is an EMT with a battery run police
transceiver. It'll be OK, I suspect."
rocxspam wrote:
>> And, quite frankly, more and more people are dropping landlines and
>> are just using their cell phones anyway.
>>
>> If phone service is that critical, it's wise to have a cell phone
>> backup with multiple spare, charged batteries. And, a cheap
>> alternative to adding additional UPS's is just set your landline
>> phone number to autoforward to your cell phone until the power
>> outage is over.
>
> That is only is valid IF the cell system can handle the increased
> load. My experience over the last few years is that when an
> "emergency" is in full swing (couple inches of snow on a school day
> around here in RTP, NC area ;-), the cell network is overwhelmed, and
> I mean Verizon's.
>>
>> Incidentally, as one who *has* FIOS for over a year now and who
>> watched the (6 hour) installation, I can tell you that the copper
>> lines were NOT removed from our residence. The copper lines are
>> buried in our backyard, they didn't dig up the copper. They just
>> disconnected the lines. I can even see where the lines are tied off
>> and stuffed back in the ground. I confirmed this with the installer.
>>
>> My neighbors reported the same thing so, at least for this area, I'd
>> take any (unqualified) announcements of POTS copper being physically
>> removed with a HUGE grain of salt.
>>
> Well, here's opposite "testimony":
> "After the installer verified that my phones and internet worked, he
> removed the old NID box outside the house and took down the 300'
> copper run to the pole. While I'm a little nervous about power
> outages, I've always got my cell phone and my wife is an EMT with a
> battery run police transceiver. It'll be OK, I suspect."
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/comments/2568?1=1&p=2
>
> NJ experiences - I am seeing a number mentioning removal of copper as
> a downside - or making them nervous at least. Maybe it depends on
> where you are?
>
> ROC
Seems pretty easy and logical to figger from the above...
One guy, copper lines were buried and not dug up.... "The copper lines are
>> buried in our backyard, they didn't dig up the copper"
Other guy, copper lines in the AIR... "took down the 300'
> copper run to the pole"
Above ground, take it, buried underground, leave it...
Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
> In article <lad8i252g1h1jlrc33ombccbkhqubndfdg@4ax.com>, amstaffs@home.com wrote:
>
>> wrong...there may be a moral imperative to maintain phone service but
>> there's no *legal* requirement to do so.
>
> No, there isn't. But someone in this situation who hires any half decent
> lawyer can probably nail them on other issues.
>
"I have fallen and I can't get up". Somebody in such a situation should be
taking precautions over and above simply relying upon FIOS.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
rocxspam <rocxspam@xspamx.no> wrote:
> Well, here's opposite "testimony":
> "After the installer verified that my phones and internet worked, he
> removed the old NID box outside the house and took down the 300' copper
> run to the pole. While I'm a little nervous about power outages, I've
> always got my cell phone and my wife is an EMT with a battery run police
> transceiver. It'll be OK, I suspect."
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/comments/2568?1=1&p=2
>
> NJ experiences - I am seeing a number mentioning removal of copper as a
> downside - or making them nervous at least. Maybe it depends on where
> you are?
>
I suspect they would remove overhead copper runs. In fact, I think most
people would want them too as overhead copper is UGLY.
--
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Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> I agree they should be up front and it would be good if their welcome
> kit would hit such key points. From a legal standpoint they are
> providing a residential service where the TOS specifically is very
> typical and defines that they don't guarantee anything and are not
> responsible for any damages.
>
> In the case of wireless Cingular and tmobile they are in much the same
> position. They aren't big on battery or backup generators on their
> equipment and probably very few people realize (especially the ones who
> dropped their POTS) if they have one of those carriers the service will
> likely be lost at the same time the commercial power fails.
The tower that covers my neighborhood contains antennas for all four providers
and there is clearly a platform and an generator attached. In fact, there was
a recent outage in the area that lasted several hours and included the area
around the tower and cell coverage worked fine including Vision (I was using
Sprint PCS at the time).
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:u99Vg.2105$Yy1.1620@textfe.usenetserver.com.. .
>
> The tower that covers my neighborhood contains antennas for all four providers
> and there is clearly a platform and an generator attached. In fact, there was
> a recent outage in the area that lasted several hours and included the area
> around the tower and cell coverage worked fine including Vision (I was using
> Sprint PCS at the time).
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
>
I'm fairly sure that the generator is not for the whole site. Let's say Verizon placed
the generator. Then, it will power VZW's equipment, none of the others. The only thing that is shared
is the tower itself. The T1's or DS3s that come in there are not shared - neither is the generator.
If it is a 'tower company' site, maybe. But in most cases I've seen, they provide tower space and a pad
to place equipment. Everything else is carrier supplied and usually not shared between carriers.
Most carrier's site equipment has some type of battery back-up designed to last for a certain period. Maybe the power
outage you describe was just shorter in duration than the run time of these batteries?
Nessnet <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> I'm fairly sure that the generator is not for the whole site. Let's say Verizon placed
> the generator. Then, it will power VZW's equipment, none of the others. The only thing that is shared
> is the tower itself. The T1's or DS3s that come in there are not shared - neither is the generator.
>
> If it is a 'tower company' site, maybe. But in most cases I've seen, they provide tower space and a pad
> to place equipment. Everything else is carrier supplied and usually not shared between carriers.
>
Indeed, with four carriers on the same tower, it is by far the most likely to
be an indepedent operator and not owned by any of the big four.
> Most carrier's site equipment has some type of battery back-up designed to last for a certain period. Maybe the power
> outage you describe was just shorter in duration than the run time of these batteries?
I am quite sure there is a generator [now] as I say it installed recently.
--
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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> I agree they should be up front and it would be good if their welcome
>> kit would hit such key points. From a legal standpoint they are
>> providing a residential service where the TOS specifically is very
>> typical and defines that they don't guarantee anything and are not
>> responsible for any damages.
>>
>> In the case of wireless Cingular and tmobile they are in much the same
>> position. They aren't big on battery or backup generators on their
>> equipment and probably very few people realize (especially the ones who
>> dropped their POTS) if they have one of those carriers the service will
>> likely be lost at the same time the commercial power fails.
>
> The tower that covers my neighborhood contains antennas for all four providers
> and there is clearly a platform and an generator attached. In fact, there was
> a recent outage in the area that lasted several hours and included the area
> around the tower and cell coverage worked fine including Vision (I was using
> Sprint PCS at the time).
>
Each carrier at a shared site has their own equipment. VZW is usually
the only carrier that has both batteries and a generator. The generator
you saw probably belongs to them. Sprint has battery in their sites so
that is why your Sprint service stayed up. Typically the GSM carriers
have neither batteries or a generator.
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:01:41 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
>rocxspam <rocxspam@xspamx.no> wrote:
>> Well, here's opposite "testimony":
>> "After the installer verified that my phones and internet worked, he
>> removed the old NID box outside the house and took down the 300' copper
>> run to the pole. While I'm a little nervous about power outages, I've
>> always got my cell phone and my wife is an EMT with a battery run police
>> transceiver. It'll be OK, I suspect."
>>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/comments/2568?1=1&p=2
>>
>> NJ experiences - I am seeing a number mentioning removal of copper as a
>> downside - or making them nervous at least. Maybe it depends on where
>> you are?
>>
>
>I suspect they would remove overhead copper runs. In fact, I think most
>people would want them too as overhead copper is UGLY.
The overhead Fios run to my house looks exactly the same and is in the
same place as the old copper run.
In article <Hs7Vg.2095$Yy1.1488@textfe.usenetserver.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> "I have fallen and I can't get up". Somebody in such a situation should be
> taking precautions over and above simply relying upon FIOS.
Yes, but many -- most -- people won't realize there's a difference. It's
telephone service, offered by the local phone company. I don't think it's
reasonable to expect customers, especially new customers, to understand the
inner workings of the service, nor the related shortcomings.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrneial8b.uta.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> In article <Hs7Vg.2095$Yy1.1488@textfe.usenetserver.com>, Thomas T.
> Veldhouse wrote:
>
>> "I have fallen and I can't get up". Somebody in such a situation should
>> be
>> taking precautions over and above simply relying upon FIOS.
>
> Yes, but many -- most -- people won't realize there's a difference. It's
> telephone service, offered by the local phone company. I don't think it's
> reasonable to expect customers, especially new customers, to understand
> the
> inner workings of the service, nor the related shortcomings.
"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:sJednW6z0tnINb7YnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@adelphia.com ...
> That sounds like every FiOS install I have seen. The media converter
> (can't remember the term they use)
I don't know the term VZ uses either but the device you are describing is a
bridge - i.e., a device that bridges two (or more) incompatible network
hardware topologies - in this case fiber optic to POTS and fiber optic to
coax.
"Remove This" <spamdumpster@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%IcVg.26$6h.12@trndny01...
> Replied "inline"
>
> "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:slrneial8b.uta.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>> In article <Hs7Vg.2095$Yy1.1488@textfe.usenetserver.com>, Thomas T.
>> Veldhouse wrote:
>>
>>> "I have fallen and I can't get up". Somebody in such a situation should
>>> be
>>> taking precautions over and above simply relying upon FIOS.
>>
>> Yes, but many -- most -- people won't realize there's a difference. It's
>> telephone service, offered by the local phone company. I don't think it's
>> reasonable to expect customers, especially new customers, to understand
>> the
>> inner workings of the service, nor the related shortcomings.
>
> Whatever happened to "Caveat Emptor" ?
It died along with the rest of personal responsibility a long time ago.
In article <%IcVg.26$6h.12@trndny01>, Remove This wrote:
> Whatever happened to "Caveat Emptor" ?
Of course it still behooves the buyer to research what they're buying.
Caveat Emptor absolutely applies.
But really, how many people do you think are going to KNOW to look into
battery backup? How many people do you think realize that copper-based
phones work during major power failures because the telco's central office
has battery backup?
I do. But then, I've been inside telco facilities.
--
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Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrneibouo.5dr.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> In article <YHkVg.1291$ZV6.1258@newsfe03.lga>, Ron Hinds wrote:
>
>> It died along with the rest of personal responsibility a long time ago.
>
> Oh, so you think I'm saying the buyer should not have to bother
> researching
> his purchase?
No, I'm saying personal responsibility is dead.
> You're not even way out in left field - you're on the freeway, about ten
> miles away from the ballpark.
Don't try to read things into what I'm saying and you'll be a lot closer to
understanding me.
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
> Linux/*BSD/Windows
> Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
In article <7hjXg.740$g64.455@newsfe04.lga>, Ron Hinds wrote:
>> You're not even way out in left field - you're on the freeway, about ten
>> miles away from the ballpark.
>
> Don't try to read things into what I'm saying and you'll be a lot closer to
> understanding me.
You wouldn't have made the comment out of the blue for no reason. At least I'm
assuming you wouldn't.
What annoys me is: my point that the consumer can't possibly be expected to
know all of the ins and outs is taken to mean "the consumer shouldn't have
to educate himself at all." Of course the consumer needs to gather as many
facts as possible, so he can make an informed decision. There are just some
questions that non-technical people won't know to ask.
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Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u99Vg.2105$Yy1.1620@textfe.usenetserver.com.. .
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I agree they should be up front and it would be good if their welcome
>> kit would hit such key points. From a legal standpoint they are
>> providing a residential service where the TOS specifically is very
>> typical and defines that they don't guarantee anything and are not
>> responsible for any damages.
>>
>> In the case of wireless Cingular and tmobile they are in much the same
>> position. They aren't big on battery or backup generators on their
>> equipment and probably very few people realize (especially the ones who
>> dropped their POTS) if they have one of those carriers the service will
>> likely be lost at the same time the commercial power fails.
>
> The tower that covers my neighborhood contains antennas for all four
> providers
> and there is clearly a platform and an generator attached. In fact, there
> was
> a recent outage in the area that lasted several hours and included the
> area
> around the tower and cell coverage worked fine including Vision (I was
> using
> Sprint PCS at the time).
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
>
We discovered in Florida over the last few hurricane seasons that there
may be a bunch of batteries and a generator at the site, they don't provide
juice for the people who didn't pay for it. Further, when a provider rolls
in a generator after the storm, they may only be interested in providing
juice for their own gear. There was even an Alltel guy who says he offered
pwoer to the other folks on a tower after Charlie and was turned down
pending approval from higher authority. That doesnot even cover the towers
that was wrecked from wind that no amount of batteries or generators could
help. Several hours usually isn't a problem, it's several days that becomes
an issue. Most providers aren't set for several days on every site.
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnej2st0.bbo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> In article <7hjXg.740$g64.455@newsfe04.lga>, Ron Hinds wrote:
>
>>> You're not even way out in left field - you're on the freeway, about ten
>>> miles away from the ballpark.
>>
>> Don't try to read things into what I'm saying and you'll be a lot closer
>> to
>
>> understanding me.
>
> You wouldn't have made the comment out of the blue for no reason. At least
> I'm
> assuming you wouldn't.
You're right! I was replying to the poster who said "Whatever happened to
Caveat Emptor?". I suppose for clarity's sake I should have snipped
everything else out of my reply.
"jeff" <jeff@klippes.com> wrote in message
news:3gkTg.6002$TV3.5755@newssvr21.news.prodigy.co m...
> Does anyone have any experience with Verizon Fiber Optics in the Dallas,
> Texas area?
> Sorry, if posted incorrectly, this is the ONLY group I can locate that
> has VERIZON in its name.
> TIA
> jeff
>
I finally got Verizon FIOS installed and love it. However I can't find out
how to configure the Newsgroup settings. Does anyone know what the NNTP
settings are for Verizon or Verizon/Yahoo.
Carl Keehn <carlkeehn@att.net> wrote:
>
> I finally got Verizon FIOS installed and love it. However I can't find out
> how to configure the Newsgroup settings. Does anyone know what the NNTP
> settings are for Verizon or Verizon/Yahoo.
>
Buddy ... this is a cellular newsgroup ... for Verizon Wireless.
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:39:02 GMT, "Carl Keehn" <carlkeehn@att.net>
wrote:
>
>"jeff" <jeff@klippes.com> wrote in message
>news:3gkTg.6002$TV3.5755@newssvr21.news.prodigy.c om...
>> Does anyone have any experience with Verizon Fiber Optics in the Dallas,
>> Texas area?
>> Sorry, if posted incorrectly, this is the ONLY group I can locate that
>> has VERIZON in its name.
>> TIA
>> jeff
>>
>
>I finally got Verizon FIOS installed and love it. However I can't find out
>how to configure the Newsgroup settings. Does anyone know what the NNTP
>settings are for Verizon or Verizon/Yahoo.
>
>TIA
>Carl
>
The news server setting is news.verizon.net You have to log on the
first time with your password and set tour account to remember the
password if you don't want to keep logging on.
Re: Verizon Fiber Optics 
Linear Mode
