At my house in Laguna Niguel California. Verizon admits that they don't work
there. Sprint has full signal.
"Boomer" <nospam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:-YSdnTix29R_61jbnZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Drumstick" <no_thanks@you.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212ea9c38955d63498978e@newsgroups.bellsou th.net...
>>
>> And I say my experience is exactly 180 degrees the opposite of yours.
>> Sprint wasn't even available where I ma so I got Cingular and couldn't
>> make/receive a call outside my city limits. Went to Altell, better but
>> no joy and they kept my bill screwed up. Verizon works every day
>> everywhere I go and man I'm usually in the sticks let me tell you!
>>
>>
>
> .
>>
>> Drum--
>
> I'm not trying to stir this argument but just where do Verizon phones NOT
> work? I'm a satisfied Verizon customer for the last 3 years & have yet to
> find a location without signal. I suppose I haven't traveled to those
> areas yet but from NJ to Florida they seem to have it covered.
>
I was with Airtouch Cellular before they were acquired by Verizon. Now play
nice and go drink some more Verizon Kool-Aid.
"Michael Wise" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:no-DCD710.10083917082007@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> In article <AQ2xi.78601$kK1.30360@newsfe14.phx>,
> "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I do have to admit that Verizon as a marketing department that is
>> actually
>> quite amazing, but in reality, that is all that they have. Take it from
>> me
>> because I had been with Verizon for 10 years and had been brain-washed by
>> them....
>
> Since VZW has existed for only seven years, how could you have been with
> them for ten years?
>
> What else are you fabricating?
>
>
>
> --Mike
In article <XBvxi.39652$Vk6.34260@newsfe07.phx>,
"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:
> I was with Airtouch Cellular before they were acquired by Verizon. Now play
> nice and go drink some more Verizon Kool-Aid.
So then you admit that you weren't a VZW customer for 10 years as you
earlier claimed?
--Mike
>
>
> "Michael Wise" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:no-DCD710.10083917082007@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> > In article <AQ2xi.78601$kK1.30360@newsfe14.phx>,
> > "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I do have to admit that Verizon as a marketing department that is
> >> actually
> >> quite amazing, but in reality, that is all that they have. Take it from
> >> me
> >> because I had been with Verizon for 10 years and had been brain-washed by
> >> them....
> >
> > Since VZW has existed for only seven years, how could you have been with
> > them for ten years?
> >
> > What else are you fabricating?
> >
> >
> >
> > --Mike
"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnfc7kdo.hbu.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> On 2007-08-16, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>> A *locked* cell phone refers to a GSM phone that is locked to a
>> particular
>> carrier.
>
> Well, since we're picking nits...
>
> A CDMA phone can be locked too.
>
CDMA phones are locked by the nature of the technology. There is no SIM card
to swap as with GSM phones.
> Perhaps, but Pac Bell cellular was not a predecessor to VZW.
No, but apparently, as Dennis posted, PacTel, Pacific Telephone's
first cellular service was! PacTel spun off PacTel Cellular as a
separate compny, and it became Airtouch (and eventually part of
Verizon). Then PacTel (the landline company left behind after the
spinoff) started PacBell Wireless- the GSM operator who eventually
became part of Cingular.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
On 2007-08-18, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnfc7kdo.hbu.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>> On 2007-08-16, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>
>>> A *locked* cell phone refers to a GSM phone that is locked to a
>>> particular
>>> carrier.
>>
>> Well, since we're picking nits...
>>
>> A CDMA phone can be locked too.
>>
>
>
> CDMA phones are locked by the nature of the technology. There is no SIM card
> to swap as with GSM phones.
Nonsense.
I took an Alltel Nokia 6185 and activated it on Verizon, and I've heard of
people going the other way. This was several years ago; neither carrier
subsidy-locked their phones back then. Not sure whether Alltel does now, or
not. I don't believe Verizon does, except prepaid (I understand the prepaid
phones ARE locked).
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnfcerrn.1j5.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> On 2007-08-18, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>> CDMA phones are locked by the nature of the technology. There is no SIM
card
>> to swap as with GSM phones.
>
> Nonsense.
>
> I took an Alltel Nokia 6185 and activated it on Verizon, and I've heard of
> people going the other way. This was several years ago; neither carrier
> subsidy-locked their phones back then. Not sure whether Alltel does now,
> or
> not. I don't believe Verizon does, except prepaid (I understand the
> prepaid
> phones ARE locked).
>
A *locked* phone can only be used on one carrier and unlocked phones can be
used with any GSM carrier. If you have a CDMA phone you can only use the
carrier your ESN is *locked* to. If you have an unlocked GSM phone it will
work with any carrier as the SIM card is locked not the phone.
That phone you have activated on Verizon cannot be used with Alltel now as
it is locked to Verizon.
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:53:10 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>On 2007-08-18, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfc7kdo.hbu.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>>> On 2007-08-16, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> A *locked* cell phone refers to a GSM phone that is locked to a
>>>> particular
>>>> carrier.
>>>
>>> Well, since we're picking nits...
>>>
>>> A CDMA phone can be locked too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> CDMA phones are locked by the nature of the technology. There is no SIM card
>> to swap as with GSM phones.
>
>Nonsense.
>
>I took an Alltel Nokia 6185 and activated it on Verizon, and I've heard of
>people going the other way. This was several years ago; neither carrier
>subsidy-locked their phones back then. Not sure whether Alltel does now, or
>not. I don't believe Verizon does, except prepaid (I understand the prepaid
>phones ARE locked).
About two months ago, I took one of my old VZW phones (Kyo-2325) and
had it activated on my Alltel account. No problems, no charge. Was
out of there in less than 10 minutes.
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:18:06 GMT, "Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com>
wrote:
>
>"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>news:slrnfcerrn.1j5.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net. ..
>> On 2007-08-18, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> >> CDMA phones are locked by the nature of the technology. There is no SIM
>card
>>> to swap as with GSM phones.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>>
>> I took an Alltel Nokia 6185 and activated it on Verizon, and I've heard of
>> people going the other way. This was several years ago; neither carrier
>> subsidy-locked their phones back then. Not sure whether Alltel does now,
>> or
>> not. I don't believe Verizon does, except prepaid (I understand the
>> prepaid
>> phones ARE locked).
> >
>
>
>
>
>A *locked* phone can only be used on one carrier and unlocked phones can be
>used with any GSM carrier. If you have a CDMA phone you can only use the
>carrier your ESN is *locked* to. If you have an unlocked GSM phone it will
>work with any carrier as the SIM card is locked not the phone.
>
>
>
>That phone you have activated on Verizon cannot be used with Alltel now as
>it is locked to Verizon.
>
I don't think so. See my post to Steve in this thread.
On 2007-08-18, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> A *locked* phone can only be used on one carrier and unlocked phones can be
> used with any GSM carrier. If you have a CDMA phone you can only use the
> carrier your ESN is *locked* to. If you have an unlocked GSM phone it will
> work with any carrier as the SIM card is locked not the phone.
An unlocked GSM phone can be used with any GSM carrier that will allow it.
An unlocked CDMA phone can be used with any CDMA carrier that will allow it.
Just because many CDMA carriers lock their phones doesn't mean it's required
by the protocol.
> That phone you have activated on Verizon cannot be used with Alltel now as
> it is locked to Verizon.
How so?
Verizon never locked my 6185.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Sprint does not "cripple" there phones, Verizon *DOES*
"This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs... Any questions?"
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:9_mdnePBxLEG2FrbnZ2dnUVZ_rqlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Contrary to the header, and since this is crossposted to both groups,
> verizon does *NOT* lock their phones, however, sprint *DOES*
>
> Sprint does not "cripple" there phones, Verizon *DOES*
True, but look at the subject. The claim was that Verizon subsidy locks
their phones, which they do not; Sprint does.
> "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs... Any questions?"
Don't be stupid.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
Idiot, learn how to read.... the subject line and the comment was to
"LOCK", and yes SPRINT subsidy locks all their phones, but verizon
doesn't....
There's a MAJOR difference between lock and cripple... you do know they are
two seperate things right?
Jim Dubya wrote:
> Sprint does not "cripple" there phones, Verizon *DOES*
>
> "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs... Any questions?"
>
>
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:9_mdnePBxLEG2FrbnZ2dnUVZ_rqlnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Contrary to the header, and since this is crossposted to both groups,
>> verizon does *NOT* lock their phones, however, sprint *DOES*
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:15:02 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Sprint does not "cripple" there phones, Verizon *DOES*
>
>"This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs... Any questions?"
>
>
>"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:9_mdnePBxLEG2FrbnZ2dnUVZ_rqlnZ2d@comcast.com ...
>> Contrary to the header, and since this is crossposted to both groups,
>> verizon does *NOT* lock their phones, however, sprint *DOES*
>>
>
This may be true but Sprint sucks and screws everybody.
I am still waiting on a refund from last year. I dont want to be on
hold another 2 hours just to get a yoyo to talk to.
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:MoqdneE0n5A37FrbnZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Topo Gigio wrote:
>>
>>
>> That phone you have activated on Verizon cannot be used with Alltel
>> now as it is locked to Verizon.
>
> Fraid you are WAY WAY WRONG on that... I had verizon, moved to an alltell
> area, walked in and switched to them with my phone no problem...
You had to have Alltel UNLOCK your phone from Verizon and lock it to Alltel.
With an unlocked GSM phone one does not have to have it unlocked by a
carrier one just has to change SIMs.
You people don't have the intelligence to understand, I am casting pearls
before swine.
"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnfcf0h2.885.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> An unlocked GSM phone can be used with any GSM carrier that will allow it.
> An unlocked CDMA phone can be used with any CDMA carrier that will allow
> it.
An unlocked GSM phone can be used with any GSM, even overseas, carrier
because it is UNLOCKED that is what UNLOCKED means. A CDMA phone can only be
used with the carrier that it is LOCKED to.
I DON'T CARE BE STUPID AND FLOUNDER IN YOUR IGNORANCE.
On 2007-08-22, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> You had to have Alltel UNLOCK your phone from Verizon and lock it to Alltel.
No, because Verizon doesn't lock postpaid phones.
> With an unlocked GSM phone one does not have to have it unlocked by a
> carrier one just has to change SIMs.
I don't know what your agenda is... are you trying to convince people
to switch to a GSM carrier?
> You people don't have the intelligence to understand, I am casting pearls
> before swine.
We don't have the intelligence? That's hilarious.
You've been corrected by more than one person here... all of the people
involved, including me, have moved phones back and forth between Alltel
and Verizon, and we're all telling you you're full of shit. Yet you insist
that you're right.
I find your attitude highly amusing, if rather pathetic...
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
On 2007-08-22, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>> Me, too. I still have my Verizon-branded V60i that's reprogrammed to
>> Alltel in the Alltel store.
>
> Substitute UNLOCKED for *reprogrammed* and you will understand.
Wrong again, Moron. He could have used the Verizon firmware, but the phone
would probably not have operated at an optimal level since it was set up
for Verizon's network, not Alltel's.
Why don't you go google for the phrase "master subsidy lock"...
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnfcpdv8.bgo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> Why don't you go google for the phrase "master subsidy lock"...
I fart in the general direction of *master subsidy locks*. When I unlock a
GSM phone I can use it with any carrier foreign or domestic. Remove a
*master subsidy lock* on a CDMA phone and one is still LOCKED to one
carrier. Now STFU as you are boring me.
In article <8d3zi.12752$A57.5172@trnddc04>,
"Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnfcpdv8.bgo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>
> > Why don't you go google for the phrase "master subsidy lock"...
>
> I fart in the general direction of *master subsidy locks*. When I unlock a
> GSM phone I can use it with any carrier foreign or domestic.
Really? When did all GSM phones sold in the U.S. suddenly become tri or
quad-band phones?
"Michael Wise" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:no-DC561E.16073922082007@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> In article <8d3zi.12752$A57.5172@trnddc04>,
> "Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfcpdv8.bgo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
>>
>> > Why don't you go google for the phrase "master subsidy lock"...
>>
>> I fart in the general direction of *master subsidy locks*. When I unlock
>> a
>> GSM phone I can use it with any carrier foreign or domestic.
>
>
> Really? When did all GSM phones sold in the U.S. suddenly become tri or
> quad-band phones?
Now you are just being an ass because you lost the argument.
On 2007-08-22, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> I fart in the general direction of *master subsidy locks*. When I unlock a
> GSM phone I can use it with any carrier foreign or domestic. Remove a
> *master subsidy lock* on a CDMA phone and one is still LOCKED to one
> carrier.
I was expecting an entertaining troll. I think you need to work a little
harder to be entertaining.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield
In article <iv3zi.12758$A57.5565@trnddc04>,
"Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> "Michael Wise" <no@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:no-DC561E.16073922082007@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> > In article <8d3zi.12752$A57.5172@trnddc04>,
> > "Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> >> news:slrnfcpdv8.bgo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net.. .
> >>
> >> > Why don't you go google for the phrase "master subsidy lock"...
> >>
> >> I fart in the general direction of *master subsidy locks*. When I unlock
> >> a
> >> GSM phone I can use it with any carrier foreign or domestic.
> >
> >
> > Really? When did all GSM phones sold in the U.S. suddenly become tri or
> > quad-band phones?
>
> Now you are just being an ass because you lost the argument.
I wasn't in any argument.
Are you going to answer the question or not? The question is are all GSM
sets sold in the U.S. capable of operating in either or both of the
European GSM bands (900/1800 MHz)?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:37:20 GMT, "Topo Gigio" <thistooshall@pass.com>
wrote:
>
>"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9990C56CC94E8noonehomecom@208.49.80.253.. .
>
>> Me, too. I still have my Verizon-branded V60i that's reprogrammed to
>> Alltel in the Alltel store.
>
>Substitute UNLOCKED for *reprogrammed* and you will understand.
>
Bullshit. The ex-VZW phone I had activated on Alltel was never, ever
locked.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:02:45 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>On 2007-08-22, Topo Gigio <thistooshall@pass.com> wrote:
>
>>> Me, too. I still have my Verizon-branded V60i that's reprogrammed to
>>> Alltel in the Alltel store.
>>
>> Substitute UNLOCKED for *reprogrammed* and you will understand.
>
>Wrong again, Moron. He could have used the Verizon firmware, but the phone
>would probably not have operated at an optimal level since it was set up
>for Verizon's network, not Alltel's.
>
The funny thing is, the ex-VZW phone I had activated on Alltel still
shows up with the VZW splash screen. So I'm thinking the VZW firmware
isn't so much of an issue, at least with Alltel. The only change I
notice is the Alltel PRL number.
"Pete" <no@spam.net> wrote in message
news:6e7oc3plh568md2qr71d0ffuurhqtb9849@4ax.com...
>>
> This may be true but Sprint sucks and screws everybody.
> I am still waiting on a refund from last year. I dont want to be on
> hold another 2 hours just to get a yoyo to talk to.
I've been with them 2 years, coming from AT&T TDMA (bought out by Cingular).
Cingular started playing with TDMA towers, delaying the time it took to
connect, roaming no longer working properly, then assessing an additional
$5.00/month penalty for anyone that did not switch to a new Cingular 2-year
GSM contract. I was a long-time Sprint Business Long Distance customer, and
they called me and offered up to 5 lines with no activation fees and free
phones. I bailed out of Cingular.
Sprint's phones arrived 3 days later via UPS. They came with temporary
phone numbers so I could use the phones until the porting was completed from
Cingular. Sprint even set up the phones to display the names of the
individual users of the phones, rather than my company name. Reps were very
pleasant each time I called.
I'm not suggesting that they don't have their problems, but I have not
experienced any service or billing issues with them. Their coverage here in
Philly is excellent, and I can roam onto Verizon if need be, so I DO have
acess to Verizon's well-touted "network." And I pay Sprint LESS per month
than I was paying AT&T/Cingular!
All I want are for my calls to go through, and they do.
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