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Old 12-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Ignorant.not.stupid
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Default Verizon vs. PagePlus

Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?

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Old 12-17-2009, 04:02 PM
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"Ignorant.not.stupid" <none@no.no> wrote in message
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> Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?


Of course you do. Subsidized phones, free off-network roaming, unlimited
data plans, and Verizon's customer service. You need to evaluate if you
need any of those things, and how much of a dollar value you attach to them.



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Old 12-17-2009, 04:30 PM
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Ignorant.not.stupid wrote:
> Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?


This is a list of the pros and cons of PagePlus, though not strictly
PagePlus versus Verizon, more PagePlus versus all contract and prepay
services (actually the prices I have down here are bit higher than the
lowest possible, considering the current 10% discount on PagePlus from
callingmart.com). If I've missed any then please let me know.

Pros
----
Per minute cost is the lowest of any prepaid carrier, as low as 5.3.
Minimum monthly cost, for low volume users, is as low as $2.30 per
month. Only T-Mobile has a lower minimum monthly cost (once you become
"Gold" on T-Mobile prepaid, by spending $100, future refills (including
the $10 refill) last 365 days).
Coverage is the best of any prepaid carrier (equal to the coverage on
Verizon's own prepaid service); far better coverage than AT&T, T-Mobile,
Virgin, Boost, or Tracfone GSM.
Coverage is better than all postpaid carriers other than Verizon.
No taxes, E-911 fees, or garbage fees (there is a 50 per month
service charge).
Expiration time of 120 days applies even to their lowest cost cards.
Roaming off Verizon allowed, albeit at extra cost, so your phone will
work on any CDMA network in the U.S. (many prepaid carriers don't allow
roaming at all, or they limit roaming).
Online account management of multiple phone numbers from one PagePlus
login.
Low cost unlimited plan ($33/month) which includes voice, texts, and
20MB of data (3G if your phone supports it). Additional data cost $0.60/MB.
Low cost high-volume plan ($25/month) which includes 1200 voice
minutes, 1200 text or MMS messages, and 50MB of data (3G if your phone
supports it). Additional data cost $0.60/MB.
3G and 2G data is available for $1.20/MB (not cheap but the few other
carriers that offer 3G data at all charge much more for it).
Low speed QNC data available at no cost. This is an unofficial feature
and is not supported by all handsets, and is not guaranteed to be
available forever. Press for a Google Search of PagePlus & QNC. QNC is
fine for text based e-mail, but is really too slow for web browsing.
Low $6-10 start-up cost (actually it's possible to get started for free).
Automatic refills available to protect against account expiration.
Phone number porting available at no cost.
Smart Phones are supported on all plans, with 3G data.
Wide availability of low-cost handsets, both new and used, including
handsets sold for use on Verizon InPulse service.
Verizon back-door numbers for voice mail access work with PagePlus.
Verizon e-mail to text messaging works with PagePlus.
Excellent, U.S. based, customer service, though lately it's been
overwhelmed due to the popularity of the PagePlus unlimited and
1200/1200/50MB plans.
Retail dealers available in many areas.

Cons
----
Roaming costs 59 per minute so it isn't a suitable carrier if you
spend a lot of time outside Verizon's network footprint. On the other
hand, at least you have coverage, unlike many prepaid carriers that
don't allow roaming at all.
50 per month service charge, while many prepaid carriers have no
service charges (though most have much higher minimums).
The maximum period for automatic refills is 30 days so you can't have
it automatically add $10 every 120 days (there is a workaround though).
If your account expires you lose your accumulated money, though
customer service has been known to restore all or part of it on a case
by case basis.
No mobile to mobile free calls to or from Verizon's regular customers,
all calls are charged (calls from Verizon customers to PagePlus
customers are NOT considered mobile to mobile, and the Verizon customer
has minutes deducted during peak periods).
No free off-peak calls, all calls are charged.
No Blackberry server support. Blackberry devices will work as a smart
phone, but the Blackberry specific features will not work.
No high usage or unlimited data plans (other than unofficial QNC data).
No official support for international roaming, though there have been
reports that it sometimes works in Canada and China (does not work in
Mexico).
No subsidized or free handsets with contract or contract renewal.
Automatic refills are at full retail price, you can't set up automatic
refills with refills purchased at a discount.
If you port in a number to a temporary PagePlus number you lose the
balance on the temporary PagePlus number so be careful not to have too
much of a balance prior to porting
You can't transfer balances from one phone number to another, even if
the subscriber dies.

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Old 12-17-2009, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: Verizon vs. PagePlus

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:40 -0700, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:

>
>"Ignorant.not.stupid" <none@no.no> wrote in message
>news:hgdlci$k15$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?

>
>Of course you do. Subsidized phones, free off-network roaming, unlimited
>data plans, and Verizon's customer service.


You also lose free moble to mobile calls to/from other VZW phones.

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Old 12-17-2009, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: Verizon vs. PagePlus

Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> "Ignorant.not.stupid" <none@no.no> wrote in message
> news:hgdlci$k15$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?

>
> Of course you do. Subsidized phones, free off-network roaming,
> unlimited data plans, and Verizon's customer service. You need to
> evaluate if you need any of those things, and how much of a dollar value
> you attach to them.
>
>


Not mention that snappy looking big red "V" on the front of your phone
and monthly bill...

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Old 12-17-2009, 08:52 PM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in news:_utWm.43702
$kY2.18710@newsfe01.iad:

> free off-network roaming,


Pageplus, I'm told by many people out West, that don't have the solid
Verizon coverage South Carolina does, free roams onto many systems
Verizon's PRL does not allow for their own customers, notably many old
AMPS carriers out in the boonies where AMPS is still King.

I do know, from personal experience, that Pageplus gives solid triangle
roaming onto the Alltel system Verizon now owns because one of the most
important shopping districts in Summerville, SC, called Oakbrook, has
always had horrible Verizon coverage from a lack of towers in range of
these tiny transmitters. When you enter any store there, now, if you
look at your Pageplus phone, you'll notice the solid triangle and can use
the nearby Alltel tower at no additional charge.

Referring to the latest Pageplus coverage map:
http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Why%...age%20Map.aspx
notice the RED zone in North Central Texas.

I talked a friend in that zone into moving off his horrible PCS service
he was always complaining about onto a Pageplus account with a $1 phone
from his local thrift shop....some Motorola. Pageplus says this is a
Phone Only zone, no data. His experience shows a solid triangle of
roaming all the time and great service, but the phone won't say who's
system he's on. I think the red zones on the PP map are areas off
Verizon its PRL roams free onto other systems from this experience.

I really need to email him and get him to dial 611 on that phone and see
who answers the call. On my Z6m, dialing 611 gets me Verizon's 611
system. Maybe if he dials 611, it will tell him, "Thanks for using
Bubba's Tire and Stormdoor Cellular System" at the connect so we'll know
who's running that call. He says the service in the red zone sometimes
makes FM hissing noise, so I suspect part of the great phone service he's
using is AMPS! His old Motorola would support it, I'm reasonably sure.

>Verizon's customer service.


Missing VZW's "customer service", isn't that more of a FEATURE than a
fault? Pageplus operators don't have to lie to you about an accounting
system that's prepaid and so easily understood. Many have said you can
talk Pageplus' support on #737 into restoring your usage if you screw up.
Try that with the $22,000 Verizon phone bill....ha!


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Old 12-17-2009, 09:05 PM
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Red <red@neckspam.com> wrote in news:hge65g$j1j$1@news.albasani.net:

> Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>> "Ignorant.not.stupid" <none@no.no> wrote in message
>> news:hgdlci$k15$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up
>>> ANYTHING?

>>
>> Of course you do. Subsidized phones, free off-network roaming,
>> unlimited data plans, and Verizon's customer service. You need to
>> evaluate if you need any of those things, and how much of a dollar
>> value you attach to them.
>>
>>

>
> Not mention that snappy looking big red "V" on the front of your phone
> and monthly bill...
>


How awful! When I installed PP, they didn't change the Alltel logos or
delete any of the phone's Alltel apps like Celltop.

I never used Celltop much but curiosity got the best of me and data
service isn't $5000/MB so I punched it up to see if it would still load
AFTER listening to my balanced before dialing my old Alltel number, now
dead, to check my balance. I stayed on Celltop reading the news and
weather for about 5 minutes, then exited it and checked my balance again
a few times until my next paid phone call. IT DIDN'T CHARGE ME! Celltop
is free...still! I haven't tried the MotoROKR Z6m's crappy brew browser
that's also still installed. Might be fun to check that for a few
pennies, too.

The only thing PP seemed to do to the phone on install is to change the
basic data to direct the call at their accounting system instead of
Verizon's and change the PRL to 51618.

Anyone got a readout on this PRL? If we had that, we could tell exactly
what it would free roam onto and what not?

You other guys on Pageplus, is your PRL also 51618?


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Old 12-17-2009, 09:09 PM
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Larry wrote:
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in news:_utWm.43702
> $kY2.18710@newsfe01.iad:
>
>> free off-network roaming,

>
> Pageplus, I'm told by many people out West, that don't have the solid
> Verizon coverage South Carolina does, free roams onto many systems
> Verizon's PRL does not allow for their own customers, notably many old
> AMPS carriers out in the boonies where AMPS is still King.
>
> I do know, from personal experience, that Pageplus gives solid triangle
> roaming onto the Alltel system Verizon now owns because one of the most


The roaming indicator on a Verizon phone on PagePlus means very little.
For outgoing calls you have do double dialing when calling, but for
incoming calls you don't really know if you're roaming or not.

As you stated, PagePlus allows AMPS roaming coverage on some networks
where Verizon does not. Verizon used to have two sets of maps, one which
was for the original America's Choice (and earlier) customers which
showed extra-cost off network roaming that was not available at all on
newer plans.

Only once have I experience the need for double dialing on PagePlus, it
was somewhere in Wyoming. Even though I've roamed onto AMPS systems with
my Verizon phone, where it showed roaming, I've never been charged any
roaming fees (this includes roaming onto AT&T's old AMPS system in the
past, and it was ironic that as a Verizon customer I had coverage, while
AT&T customers had no coverage at all).

There's a network near me on the way to Yosemite that should be
off-network roaming on PagePlus but it does not appear to be. Maybe
because Verizon is part owner of it, but it's definitely not Verizon.

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Old 12-17-2009, 09:10 PM
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:4b2a6a8a$0$1630
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

>  Low speed QNC data available at no cost. This is an unofficial feature
> and is not supported by all handsets, and is not guaranteed to be
> available forever. Press for a Google Search of PagePlus & QNC. QNC is
> fine for text based e-mail, but is really too slow for web browsing.
>


This must be why Alltel Celltop, which was installed on my phone before the
switch with the crap Brew Browser keeps working for free on Pageplus. I
can get news weather sports and other text data on the Celltop app that's
firmly fixed into the Alltel Motorola Z6m ROKR just fine and am not charged
for it. I haven't tried the browser, which sucks, but might just for fun.


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On Dec 17 2009, 12:30*pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Ignorant.not.stupid wrote:
> > Switching to PagePlus saves a lot of money, but do we give up ANYTHING?

>
> This is a list of the pros and cons of PagePlus, though not strictly
> PagePlus versus Verizon, more PagePlus versus all contract and prepay
> services (actually the prices I have down here are bit higher than the
> lowest possible, considering the current 10% discount on PagePlus from
> callingmart.com). If I've missed any then please let me know.
>
> Pros
> ----
> Per minute cost is the lowest of any prepaid carrier, as low as 5.3.
> Minimum monthly cost, for low volume users, is as low as $2.30 per
> month. Only T-Mobile has a lower minimum monthly cost (once you become
> "Gold" on T-Mobile prepaid, by spending $100, future refills (including
> the $10 refill) last 365 days).
> Coverage is the best of any prepaid carrier (equal to the coverage on
> Verizon's own prepaid service); far better coverage than AT&T, T-Mobile,
> Virgin, Boost, or Tracfone GSM.
> Coverage is better than all postpaid carriers other than Verizon.
> No taxes, E-911 fees, or garbage fees (there is a 50 per month
> service charge).
> Expiration time of 120 days applies even to their lowest cost cards.
> Roaming off Verizon allowed, albeit at extra cost, so your phone will
> work on any CDMA network in the U.S. (many prepaid carriers don't allow
> roaming at all, or they limit roaming).
> Online account management of multiple phone numbers from one PagePlus
> login.
> Low cost unlimited plan ($33/month) which includes voice, texts, and
> 20MB of data (3G if your phone supports it). Additional data cost $0.60/MB.
> Low cost high-volume plan ($25/month) which includes 1200 voice
> minutes, 1200 text or MMS messages, and 50MB of data (3G if your phone
> supports it). Additional data cost $0.60/MB.
> 3G and 2G data is available for $1.20/MB (not cheap but the few other
> carriers that offer 3G data at all charge much more for it).
> Low speed QNC data available at no cost. This is an unofficial feature
> and is not supported by all handsets, and is not guaranteed to be
> available forever. Press for a Google Search of PagePlus & QNC. QNC is
> fine for text based e-mail, but is really too slow for web browsing.
> Low $6-10 start-up cost (actually it's possible to get started for free).
> Automatic refills available to protect against account expiration.
> Phone number porting available at no cost.
> Smart Phones are supported on all plans, with 3G data.
> Wide availability of low-cost handsets, both new and used, including
> handsets sold for use on Verizon InPulse service.
> Verizon back-door numbers for voice mail access work with PagePlus.
> Verizon e-mail to text messaging works with PagePlus.
> Excellent, U.S. based, customer service, though lately it's been
> overwhelmed due to the popularity of the PagePlus unlimited and
> 1200/1200/50MB plans.
> Retail dealers available in many areas.
>
> Cons
> ----
> Roaming costs 59 per minute so it isn't a suitable carrier if you
> spend a lot of time outside Verizon's network footprint. On the other
> hand, at least you have coverage, unlike many prepaid carriers that
> don't allow roaming at all.
> 50 per month service charge, while many prepaid carriers have no
> service charges (though most have much higher minimums).
> The maximum period for automatic refills is 30 days so you can't have
> it automatically add $10 every 120 days (there is a workaround though).
> If your account expires you lose your accumulated money, though
> customer service has been known to restore all or part of it on a case
> by case basis.
> No mobile to mobile free calls to or from Verizon's regular customers,
> all calls are charged (calls from Verizon customers to PagePlus
> customers are NOT considered mobile to mobile, and the Verizon customer
> has minutes deducted during peak periods).
> No free off-peak calls, all calls are charged.
> No Blackberry server support. Blackberry devices will work as a smart
> phone, but the Blackberry specific features will not work.
> No high usage or unlimited data plans (other than unofficial QNC data).
> No official support for international roaming, though there have been
> reports that it sometimes works in Canada and China (does not work in
> Mexico).
> No subsidized or free handsets with contract or contract renewal.
> Automatic refills are at full retail price, you can't set up automatic
> refills with refills purchased at a discount.
> If you port in a number to a temporary PagePlus number you lose the
> balance on the temporary PagePlus number so be careful not to have too
> much of a balance prior to porting
> You can't transfer balances from one phone number to another, even if
> the subscriber dies.


"Steven M. Scharf"

"Steven M Scharf (who now posts as SMS) describes himself as one of
the world's leading authorities on bicycle lighting, and bicycle
helmets, and various other things. Fortunately the world carries on
in
blissful ignorance of this fact, since it has been established that
his "expertise" is based on religious conviction rather than
evidence... How to deal with Scharf: Check all dogmatic assertions
made by him, probe for the evidential basis, cite conflicting
evidence
and challenge him to cite the evidence in support for his position.
Do
this enough and he will killfile you."


http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Steven_M._Scharf


"The story of SMS, Steven M Scharf"


"A few notes for search engines and anyone tempted to take SMS
seriously or visit his websites.. A quick look around shows the
following facts - if you can be bothered reading it, make your own
judgment about this person, his real experience, and his morals... "


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch...igital/2008-11...


"The U.S.A.'s Leading Independent Authority on FM Digital Radio
Technology, News, and Products"


http://sites.google.com/site/digitalradiofacts/


This guy is a ****ing fruitcake. He's now a leading expert on Digital
Radio. He spams message boards, creating new websites, and link-farms
to them for income. Now, a show of hands for those that fell fell
for this fruitcake? He probably posted as HD Radio Fartz, HD Radio
Far,
etc, too... Buddy, you really need some serious mental health...
He needs to be reported to Google.

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