Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
On Jul 5, 2:28 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > if you wanted to. but Rowdy Roddy's assertion that itunes rips are
> > proprietary is just plain false.
>
> Never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that, liar.
rubbish. lesse...:
> Yes, but thats a separate issue to whether those who have already
> done that will be biased towards a second media player that can use
> the existing iTunes library, so you dont have to fart around and ripp
> all the CDs again, or convert them to another format etc.
key phrase being, "so you dont have to fart around and ripp all the
CDs again". this is where you suggest itunes rips are proprietary to
apple media players. and here again your ignorance loudly parades
itself:
> It does in a practical sense, once you have ripped your CDs,
> you're going to be reluctant to do that again, and so your NEXT
> media player will need to be able to use iTunes too, and so
> you'll be reluctant to have other than an ipod or iphone.
key phase here: "once you have ripped your CDs, you're going to be
reluctant to do that again". as any child can tell you, after ripping
your CDs w/ itunes you do not need re-rip them for use on a non-ipod.
....but dont let that stop ya from living in that dream world of
ignorance & denial, tho. send us a postcard, even. i hear the view is
great.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote on [Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:28:03 +1000]:
>> SpaceMarine <spacemarine@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>> <reams of your mindlessly silly juveline shit flushed where it
>> belongs>
>>
>> Whoops, nothing left. Wota surprise.
>
> A 2 year old could leave that for dead.
Can't even manage its own lines, or anything else at all, either.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at theiPhone)
SpaceMarine wrote:
> key phase here: "once you have ripped your CDs, you're going to be
> reluctant to do that again". as any child can tell you, after ripping
> your CDs w/ itunes you do not need re-rip them for use on a non-ipod.
The real issue is if you have a lot of DRM protected M4P iTunes songs.
While removing the DRM isn't all that difficult, it's still beyond the
ability of many users. If you do an MP3 conversion then it's lossy.
However it's true that what the other poster wrote is incorrect, you
would not have to rip your CDs again.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <labolide-E9B0FE.17401105072007@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <5f5ekjF3aq9l9U2@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > SpaceMarine <spacemarine@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >
> > <reams of your mindlessly silly juvenile shit/lies flushed where it belongs>
> >
> > Whoops, nothing left. Wota surprise
>
> Jeez this pre-teen flame war in tedious.
>
> Isn't there a chat room you guys can go to?
>
> I'll even vouch for you being 18 if your parents won't.
Nothing quite so riveting as a battle of the posts by macro is there?
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <G8GdnTaGCf6ZZRHbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@speakeasy.net> , Bill
Kearney <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
> news:468a4de9$0$8555
> > Edison invented the lightbulb- users of modern CFL tubes don't run
> > around denying that.
>
> Except Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. He just succeeding in brute
> force attempts to find a material that'd last long enough to be commercially
> viable. Much like Windows being quit a bit more viable commercially than
> anything apple's come up with.
>
Erroneous comparison; Windows isn't more commercially viable, and never
had to prove itself against any other product. It simply had a better
start in a market that wasn't prepared to develop competitors.
MS-DOS and the Windows products following it were presumed into the
clone market, and that is where the growth was.
(I don't count Apple as a competitor then, because they refused to
compete in the market that provided the growth -- low-end units en
masse.)
Apple's actual product may always ave been much more practical,
useable, and viable than Windows -- but the fact that quantity
purchases are usually for low-end computers prevents them from being
considered.
It's silly to compare 'commercial viability' of two products in
different market segments and with different requirements.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <468d8c43$0$27170$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> The real issue is if you have a lot of DRM protected M4P iTunes songs.
> While removing the DRM isn't all that difficult, it's still beyond the
> ability of many users.
I wonder how many would really have trouble. It may not be obvious, but
it's just three steps:
select or make a playlist for those tracks (or just select them)
make sure the import format is in what you want to end with.
Choose Advanced>Convert to
The first is natural for all iTunes users; the third is labelled very
well. The way to change formats (step 2) is very simple, but not
obvious. It is very clear in Help.
> If you do an MP3 conversion then it's lossy.
From one format to another? Not much. If it's significant, the source
is probably already unacceptable. This conversion isn't going to change
a good file to junk.
(Unless, of course, you actually use setting to do so; I know lots of
people who use only low settings like MP3 @ 64 for their portables,
because it's loud where they are and they want more files.)
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at theiPhone)
Mitch wrote:
> In article <468d8c43$0$27170$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> The real issue is if you have a lot of DRM protected M4P iTunes songs.
>> While removing the DRM isn't all that difficult, it's still beyond the
>> ability of many users.
> I wonder how many would really have trouble. It may not be obvious, but
> it's just three steps:
> select or make a playlist for those tracks (or just select them)
> make sure the import format is in what you want to end with.
> Choose Advanced>Convert to
We're talking about two different things here. While Rod is completely
wrong about re-ripping CDs, the issue is more about using the iTunes
songs you purchased on multiple machines running iTunes. This is the
only way you'll get the best sound (not that iTunes users or MP3 users
care all that much about sound quality in the first place).
To remove DRM you can use JHymn (but you need to use an older version of
iTunes), or MyFairTunes (which works with later versions of iTunes).
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <G8GdnTaGCf6ZZRHbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
Bill Kearney <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote:
>"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
>news:468a4de9$0$8555
>> Edison invented the lightbulb- users of modern CFL tubes don't run
>> around denying that.
>
>Except Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. He just succeeding in brute
>force attempts to find a material that'd last long enough to be commercially
>viable.
Yeah, Edison didn't invent the lightbulb. He invented a lightbulb
which worked.
>Much like Windows being quit a bit more viable commercially than
>anything apple's come up with.
Troll, troll, troll your boat...
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <468e8985$0$27187$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > In article <468d8c43$0$27170$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
> > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The real issue is if you have a lot of DRM protected M4P iTunes songs.
> >> While removing the DRM isn't all that difficult, it's still beyond the
> >> ability of many users.
> > I wonder how many would really have trouble. It may not be obvious, but
> > it's just three steps:
> > select or make a playlist for those tracks (or just select them)
> > make sure the import format is in what you want to end with.
> > Choose Advanced>Convert to
>
> We're talking about two different things here. While Rod is completely
> wrong about re-ripping CDs, the issue is more about using the iTunes
> songs you purchased on multiple machines running iTunes. This is the
> only way you'll get the best sound (not that iTunes users or MP3 users
> care all that much about sound quality in the first place).
>
> To remove DRM you can use JHymn (but you need to use an older version of
> iTunes), or MyFairTunes (which works with later versions of iTunes).
I simply burn my iTunes songs to a CD, then either keep them archived,
or replace the DRM files by bringing them back in as AAC.
Too easy.
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
In article <468e8985$0$27187$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > In article <468d8c43$0$27170$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
> > <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The real issue is if you have a lot of DRM protected M4P iTunes songs.
> >> While removing the DRM isn't all that difficult, it's still beyond the
> >> ability of many users.
> > I wonder how many would really have trouble. It may not be obvious, but
> > it's just three steps:
> > select or make a playlist for those tracks (or just select them)
> > make sure the import format is in what you want to end with.
> > Choose Advanced>Convert to
>
> We're talking about two different things here. While Rod is completely
> wrong about re-ripping CDs, the issue is more about using the iTunes
> songs you purchased on multiple machines running iTunes. This is the
> only way you'll get the best sound (not that iTunes users or MP3 users
> care all that much about sound quality in the first place).
>
> To remove DRM you can use JHymn (but you need to use an older version of
> iTunes), or MyFairTunes (which works with later versions of iTunes).
No, you just convert them to uncompressed. You lose nothing, and there
is no DRM.
It does seem that the Windows experience includes assuming you need to
get more software for every task, though, doesn't it?
Re: stop crying (was Re: Verizon Wireless thumbs its nose at the iPhone)
At 07 Jul 2007 23:44:51 -1000 Mitch wrote:
> No, you just convert them to uncompressed. You lose nothing,
....until you recompress them for use on a different portable.
> and there
> is no DRM.
> It does seem that the Windows experience includes assuming you need to
> get more software for every task, though, doesn't it?
Even Windows Media Player can un-DRM a file by uncompressing/recompressing.
The previous poster was talking about an algorythmic way to remove DRM
without further reducing quality.
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