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Old 12-24-2006, 04:03 AM
Scott Ehrlich
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Default VZ Navigator experiences


I recently tried VZ Navigator for 2 situations - once was a "last mile"
direction-finding mission to find a street and house off the highway when
I was truly lost. It worked flawlessly.

The other was a deliberate attempt to divert off the highway to get back
home, and try to take back roads. VZ Navigator insisted, many times, for
at least a few miles at different times, that I take the next legal U
turn. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had a TomTom or other
pocket-based self-contained GPS device, if the directions would have been
better.

During the second attempt, I ended up right where I started, and just
opted for the highway.

Both were during my 30-day trial, and more than enough airtime.

So, it looks like VZ Nav can be decent if needed, but not always the best
option.

Scott

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Old 12-24-2006, 01:27 PM
max@dontspam.me
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On 24 Dec 2006 04:03:42 GMT, scott@mit.edu (Scott Ehrlich) graced this
newsgroup with:

>
>I recently tried VZ Navigator for 2 situations - once was a "last mile"
>direction-finding mission to find a street and house off the highway when
>I was truly lost. It worked flawlessly.
>
>The other was a deliberate attempt to divert off the highway to get back
>home, and try to take back roads. VZ Navigator insisted, many times, for
>at least a few miles at different times, that I take the next legal U
>turn. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had a TomTom or other
>pocket-based self-contained GPS device, if the directions would have been
>better.
>
>During the second attempt, I ended up right where I started, and just
>opted for the highway.
>
>Both were during my 30-day trial, and more than enough airtime.
>
>So, it looks like VZ Nav can be decent if needed, but not always the best
>option.
>
>Scott



it may have wanted you to make a legal U turn because the default
setting for route is set for "fastest".

I now my Lexus navigation system will automatically reroute if I turn
off it's recommended route but if I set the destination based on
fastest route, it'll continually try and get me back on the route I
left.


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Old 12-24-2006, 06:22 PM
eff
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On 24 Dec 2006 04:03:42 GMT, scott@mit.edu (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:

>
>I recently tried VZ Navigator for 2 situations - once was a "last mile"
>direction-finding mission to find a street and house off the highway when
>I was truly lost. It worked flawlessly.
>
>The other was a deliberate attempt to divert off the highway to get back
>home, and try to take back roads. VZ Navigator insisted, many times, for
>at least a few miles at different times, that I take the next legal U
>turn. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had a TomTom or other
>pocket-based self-contained GPS device, if the directions would have been
>better.
>
>During the second attempt, I ended up right where I started, and just
>opted for the highway.
>
>Both were during my 30-day trial, and more than enough airtime.
>
>So, it looks like VZ Nav can be decent if needed, but not always the best
>option.
>
>Scott



I use my VZ Navigator frequently and have had one situation where it
suggested that I make the next legal u-turn.

In my case I had changed course at the very beginning of my trip and
stayed on the navigator's suggested course the rest of the way.

Funny thing is that when it suggested that I make the next legal
u-turn I was right in front of my destination.

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Old 12-24-2006, 07:56 PM
Nick Danger
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"eff" <notvalid@noreply.com> wrote in message
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> I use my VZ Navigator frequently and have had one situation where it
> suggested that I make the next legal u-turn.
>
> In my case I had changed course at the very beginning of my trip and
> stayed on the navigator's suggested course the rest of the way.
>
> Funny thing is that when it suggested that I make the next legal
> u-turn I was right in front of my destination.


I haven't tried the VZ Navigator yet, but I had a similar experience with
Hertz Neverlost. It successfully got me to my hotel, which had parking lots
both in front and in back of the building. I pulled into the front parking
lot and she insisted that I should make the next legal U-Turn and go to the
back parking lot. On other occasions, I found that if I persisted in going
the opposite direction from where I was supposed to be going, she just
stopped talking to me altogether.

In the case of VZ Navigator, it would be good if they took advantage of the
back-channel and let you inform them when they're giving you bad advice. It
might be as simple as a single button press to tell them "Got Bad Directions
Here" or even better, the capability to leave a brief voice message saying
what was bad about it.



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Old 12-24-2006, 08:00 PM
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The GPS in my Lincoln Aviator simply recomputes my course and starts giving
me new directions when I deviate substantially. The only time I have heard
"make the next legal U-turn" is when there were no other roads at all (to go
another way).

-Frank

"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
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>
> I recently tried VZ Navigator for 2 situations - once was a "last mile"
> direction-finding mission to find a street and house off the highway when
> I was truly lost. It worked flawlessly.
>
> The other was a deliberate attempt to divert off the highway to get back
> home, and try to take back roads. VZ Navigator insisted, many times, for
> at least a few miles at different times, that I take the next legal U
> turn. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had a TomTom or other
> pocket-based self-contained GPS device, if the directions would have been
> better.
>
> During the second attempt, I ended up right where I started, and just
> opted for the highway.
>
> Both were during my 30-day trial, and more than enough airtime.
>
> So, it looks like VZ Nav can be decent if needed, but not always the best
> option.
>
> Scott




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Old 12-24-2006, 08:09 PM
Scott Ehrlich
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If I go far enough, it says I've gone far enough off course and asks if I
want it to continue helping me. I say yes, and once again, get the U-Turn
option.

I'll check out its other navigational options to try and get past the
U-Turn broken record.

In article <MKWdnapVc9fkQRPYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@giganews.com>,
Frankster <Frank@spam2trash.com> wrote:
>The GPS in my Lincoln Aviator simply recomputes my course and starts giving
>me new directions when I deviate substantially. The only time I have heard
>"make the next legal U-turn" is when there were no other roads at all (to go
>another way).
>
>-Frank
>
>"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
>news:458dfc1e$0$577$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu...
>>
>> I recently tried VZ Navigator for 2 situations - once was a "last mile"
>> direction-finding mission to find a street and house off the highway when
>> I was truly lost. It worked flawlessly.
>>
>> The other was a deliberate attempt to divert off the highway to get back
>> home, and try to take back roads. VZ Navigator insisted, many times, for
>> at least a few miles at different times, that I take the next legal U
>> turn. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had a TomTom or other
>> pocket-based self-contained GPS device, if the directions would have been
>> better.
>>
>> During the second attempt, I ended up right where I started, and just
>> opted for the highway.
>>
>> Both were during my 30-day trial, and more than enough airtime.
>>
>> So, it looks like VZ Nav can be decent if needed, but not always the best
>> option.
>>
>> Scott

>
>




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Old 12-27-2006, 04:50 PM
Jeb Hoge
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Scott Ehrlich wrote:
> If I go far enough, it says I've gone far enough off course and asks if I
> want it to continue helping me. I say yes, and once again, get the U-Turn
> option.
>
> I'll check out its other navigational options to try and get past the
> U-Turn broken record.


This is one of the issues that a lot of users have with nav systems in
general. I've got a PDA nav (OnCourse Navigator 5, off the market now),
for example, and hear the same complaints from those users. People
don't tend to make the mental leap that nav systems don't always have
to agree with the driver, and if they don't, you've got to choose if
you'll follow its directions or go with your intuition. Generally
speaking, the software gets it right, though, unless you really don't
give it a specific exception or request.

My nav, for example, once got me to a job interview on time when
traffic on southbound I95 was snarled. A road sign gave me a rough
indication of how long the backup was, and I asked OCN5 to give me a
15-mile reroute. It took me off the interstate within .5 mile and ran
me down US1 for about 17 miles, then hopped me back on the interstate.


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