I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
out yet.
Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
scamming me? What's the catch?
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
On 11/27/11 5:37 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>
> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
> out yet.
>
> Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
> scamming me? What's the catch?
I think the money a dealer/agent gets for the phone is gravy. He makes
his real profit from his commission on your monthly bill for at least
the next two years...and as long as you're a VZW customer.
--
A lion may be king of the jungle, but airdrop him into Antarctica and
he's just a penguin's *****.
-- James Pickett
Janet Wilder wrote on [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600]:
> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>
> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
> out yet.
Ummm, cupcake is version 1.5. You should be running gingerbread on your
incredible which is 2.3.4 or so
On 11/27/2011 5:37 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>
> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
> out yet.
>
> Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
> scamming me? What's the catch?
Not sure why you are impressed. The Incredible 2 has been out for maybe
9 month now. I got mine for $25 from Wirefly about 6 months ago. When
you are eligible for your upgrade it will be a year old and there are
already better choices (although I really like my phone). Radio Shack
had it free recently and I suspect that other places have as well.
Verizon is NOT the cheapest place to get a phone. However, if you cancel
or otherwise deactivate your phone within 6 months, you will pay them an
ETF in addition to the one you'll owe to Verizon. Amazon Wireless is
also a good place to buy, they often have very good prices.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600, Janet Wilder
<kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless",
My local mall used to have 3 resellers and a real Verizon store. Now
it has 4 resellers.
>not a corporate store, and
>the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
Best Buy and Costco in my area can usually beat Verizon's prices on
some phones too. But there may be strings...
>He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>out yet.
What did it do that your Incredible won't? And more importantly how's
the battery life?
>Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
>scamming me? What's the catch?
AJL wrote on [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:19:19 -0700]:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:53:03 +0000 (UTC), Justin
> <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>You should be running gingerbread on your
>>incredible which is 2.3.4 or so
>
> Still running 2.2 on my Incredible
> (even after that weird update last week).
it should be 2.3, if you have gingerbread
>>Not much to be impressed with
>
> What advantages do you get with the newer updates?
Not all that much, some better this and that.
However the "cupcake" that was mentioned is a whole bunch of releases
behind even 2.2
On 11/27/2011 9:19 PM, AJL wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:53:03 +0000 (UTC), Justin
> <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>> You should be running gingerbread on your
>> incredible which is 2.3.4 or so
>
> Still running 2.2 on my Incredible
> (even after that weird update last week).
>
>> Not much to be impressed with
>
> What advantages do you get with the newer updates?
Updates of any software product generally fix bugs, improve performance,
and/or add new features. It's customary to to include some
documentation that tells you which bugs are fixed, and what new
features, if any, are included.
Install with caution!!!! It's also customary to include all the latest
bugs! It's a very good idea to make sure that you can restore your
phone to it's previous condition if need be!
On 11/27/2011 5:34 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> On 11/27/11 5:37 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
>> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in
>> March.
>>
>> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>> out yet.
>>
>> Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
>> scamming me? What's the catch?
>
>
> I think the money a dealer/agent gets for the phone is gravy. He makes
> his real profit from his commission on your monthly bill for at least
> the next two years...and as long as you're a VZW customer.
>
On 11/27/2011 5:53 PM, Justin wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote on [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600]:
>> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
>> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>>
>> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>> out yet.
>
> Ummm, cupcake is version 1.5. You should be running gingerbread on your
> incredible which is 2.3.4 or so
>
>
> Not much to be impressed with
>
I might have gotten the wrong goodie. It's the one that's supposed to
come out next. I must have forgotten the name.
On 11/27/2011 7:27 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 5:37 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
>> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in
>> March.
>>
>> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>> out yet.
>>
>> Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
>> scamming me? What's the catch?
>
> Not sure why you are impressed. The Incredible 2 has been out for maybe
> 9 month now. I got mine for $25 from Wirefly about 6 months ago. When
> you are eligible for your upgrade it will be a year old and there are
> already better choices (although I really like my phone). Radio Shack
> had it free recently and I suspect that other places have as well.
> Verizon is NOT the cheapest place to get a phone. However, if you cancel
> or otherwise deactivate your phone within 6 months, you will pay them an
> ETF in addition to the one you'll owe to Verizon. Amazon Wireless is
> also a good place to buy, they often have very good prices.
>
> Bil
I love my Incredible. If I don't get the Incredible 2, which I like
because it has the dual cameras for Skyping and it's global, it will be
another HTC phone. Never another Motorola! The HTC is so simple o the
outside. One botton on top to turn it on and off. One rocker switch on
the side which only adjusts volume. Nothing to turn itself on in my
pocket or purse.
The cheap phones I've seen come with a contract. I have to be very
careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it. If I sign
on with another dealer, I might.
> The cheap phones I've seen come with a contract. I have to be very
> careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it. If I sign on
> with another dealer, I might.
Why on earth would you think that an independent dealer would eliminate
your unlimited data plan?
The reason for not going to an independent dealer is that they add their
own termination fees onto Verizon's fees. If you have no plans to cancel
service during the two year term then those fees are of no consequence.
Costco seems to offer very good deals on one phone model per carrier in
each coupon book.
You've basically got a choice of four phones for world roaming on
Verizon, HTC Incredible 2, HTC Merge, Motorola Droid 3, and Motorola
Droid Pro. I'd go with the Droid because the USB hardware on the Droid
is capable of USB-OTG. The HTC Desire also has this capability, but the
Merge does not. Some people have gotten it working, sort-of, on some
Incredible models.
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:20:16 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert"
<rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>Updates of any software product generally fix bugs, improve performance,
>and/or add new features.
I generally try to avoid updates on software that's working to my
satisfaction unless it promises some great advancement. I think I
started that policy when the update introduced advertising that wasn't
there before. Also I keep copies of the old apk files so that I
usually can go back if needed.
>I have to be very
> careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it.
How much data do you use a month? If you're an average user it would
be around 400M a month. The new $30 Verizon limited plan gives 2G of
data (5 times the average) for about the same price as the current
Unlimited plan. Bottom line is that for the vast majority of Verizon
users (including me), going off the Unlimited plan would make no
difference.
And of course the Verizon Unlimited plan has never really meant
unlimited data anyway. Those with excessive usage were in violation of
the TOS and in danger of cancellation if warnings weren't heeded.
Recently they've taken a new approach, throttling:
AJL wrote on [Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:46:30 -0700]:
> On 11/28/2011 6:19 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>I have to be very
>> careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it.
>
> How much data do you use a month? If you're an average user it would
> be around 400M a month. The new $30 Verizon limited plan gives 2G of
> data (5 times the average) for about the same price as the current
> Unlimited plan. Bottom line is that for the vast majority of Verizon
> users (including me), going off the Unlimited plan would make no
> difference.
for now, maybe. In the next short while with LTE coming along it's
going to continue to rise quickly
> But IMO that's a good thing since the data hogs slow down the system
> for the rest of us 'reasonable' users, present company excepted of
> course...
There's no such thing as a data hog.
It's a marketing term coined by the wireless providers to shame people
into not using what they are paying for.
On 11/28/2011 10:46 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 6:19 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> I have to be very
>> careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it.
>
> How much data do you use a month? If you're an average user it would
> be around 400M a month. The new $30 Verizon limited plan gives 2G of
> data (5 times the average) for about the same price as the current
> Unlimited plan. Bottom line is that for the vast majority of Verizon
> users (including me), going off the Unlimited plan would make no
> difference.
There are other reasons for not letting go of the unlimited data plans.
Apparently Verizon no longer discounts the data portion of the plan on
the 2GB plan, to those that enjoy some sort of corporate or business
discount. An 19-25% discount on an $80 per month Verizon plan is a
pretty good deal, but it's less good when the discount doesn't apply to
the data portion.
Of course for $55/month (including all taxes and fees) you get unlimited
talk, text, and 500MB of data on Pageplus. More than enough data for the
"average" user, but no subsidized phones. The value of the subsidy for a
smart phone is $10-15 per month.
> And of course the Verizon Unlimited plan has never really meant
> unlimited data anyway. Those with excessive usage were in violation of
> the TOS and in danger of cancellation if warnings weren't heeded.
> Recently they've taken a new approach, throttling:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-new...customers/4522
>
> But IMO that's a good thing since the data hogs slow down the system
> for the rest of us 'reasonable' users, present company excepted of
> course...
If I were a grandfathered unlimited data plan customer I'd be very upset
at the throttling. Verizon should have waited until all the contracts of
the unlimited data customers expired before implementing throttling.
On the plus side for the carriers, those grandfathered unlimited data
plans are keeping their unlimited data customers from churning. No data
hog would dare lose their unlimited data by changing carriers.
I just sent an e-mail to my brother in law who uses a tremendous number
of minutes (he's a real estate agent), but not many texts, and he has no
data plan on a very old smart phone on Verizon.
He went into sticker shock when Verizon told him how much he'd pay per
month for a new smart phone. Unlimited voice ($69.99), 1000 texts ($10),
and 300MB ($20) of data on Verizon would be $99.99/month plus taxes and
fees, or about $115/month.
I suggested that he check out Pageplus which offers Unlimited voice,
unlimited texts, and 500MB of data for $55/month. Even if he buys a
brand new phone at full retail price, versus a subsidized smart phone
from Verizon, the $60/month savings would pay for the difference in a
little more than four months.
sms88 wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:52:01 -0800]:
> On 11/28/2011 10:46 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>> And of course the Verizon Unlimited plan has never really meant
>> unlimited data anyway. Those with excessive usage were in violation of
>> the TOS and in danger of cancellation if warnings weren't heeded.
>> Recently they've taken a new approach, throttling:
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-new...customers/4522
>>
>> But IMO that's a good thing since the data hogs slow down the system
>> for the rest of us 'reasonable' users, present company excepted of
>> course...
>
> If I were a grandfathered unlimited data plan customer I'd be very upset
> at the throttling. Verizon should have waited until all the contracts of
> the unlimited data customers expired before implementing throttling.
There is no throttling. They have instituted a data limit that they
charge you extra if you go above it.
> There is no throttling. They have instituted a data limit that they
> charge you extra if you go above it.
Wrong. You misunderstand what's going on.
1. Unlimited data customers are subject to throttling if they go over
2GB per month. It isn't set in stone, the throttling is only supposed to
occur if they are connected to a tower that's congested.
2. Data customers on limited plans are charged extra for going over, but
their speed is not impaired.
What's interesting is the statement that the throttling does not affect
4G customers that took their grandfathered 3G data plan to a 4G LTE device.
In reality, Verizon can throttle anyone they want to throttle,
regardless if their on an unlimited plan or not, if a tower is
congested, without having to publicize it. They are apparently choosing
to first throttle their unlimited customers that are over a certain
amount of data usage. They decided to talk about the whole thing it in
an effort to get their unlimited customers to exercise some restraint.
SMS wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:17:04 -0800]:
> On 11/29/2011 10:02 AM, Jstin wrote:
>
>> There is no throttling. They have instituted a data limit that they
>> charge you extra if you go above it.
>
> Wrong. You misunderstand what's going on.
Ah, yeah. Wrong carrier
> 1. Unlimited data customers are subject to throttling if they go over
> 2GB per month. It isn't set in stone, the throttling is only supposed to
> occur if they are connected to a tower that's congested.
Actually that's not it either
They are throttling the top 5%, the usage doesn't seem to matter
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:15:21 -0600, Janet Wilder
<kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 11/27/2011 5:53 PM, Justin wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote on [Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600]:
>>> I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>>> Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
>>> the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>>> price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>>>
>>> He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>>> out yet.
>>
>> Ummm, cupcake is version 1.5. You should be running gingerbread on your
>> incredible which is 2.3.4 or so
>>
>>
>> Not much to be impressed with
>>
>
>I might have gotten the wrong goodie. It's the one that's supposed to
>come out next. I must have forgotten the name.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:32:29 -0800, Evan Platt
<evan@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600, Janet Wilder
><kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
>>Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
>>the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
>>price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in March.
>>
>>He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not even
>>out yet.
>
>Cupcake? That's antique. Android OS's go by alphabetical order. We're
>on H - Honeycomb. The next release would be I - Ice Cream Sandwich.
>AFAIK, it's nowhere near even being leaked - even the company I'm
>working for which will get a very early release hasn't gotten a
>release of it yet.
ICS has been leaked.
>
>>Anyone know how this guy can beat the corporate store's price? Is he
>>scamming me? What's the catch?
>
>No catch. They're subsidizing part of their commission to give you a
>lower price.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:45:06 +0000 (UTC), Justin
<nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>There's no such thing as a data hog.
Data hogs violate the TOS costing Verizon more money to do business
and thus indirectly can raise the rates for the rest of us.
The best analogy I can think of is at my local 'all you can eat'
buffet. It has a sign at the door that basically says that each person
must have a plate. But invariably I see 'food hogs' trying to share a
plate. Those people who violate the restaurant rules and steal food
cost the business money and again the prices may go up. Same with
shoplifters. Same with walking away from a mortgage you signed for. On
and on. Just because life is full of ways to cheat doesn't mean that
you should.
>It's a marketing term coined by the wireless providers to shame people
The unethical data hogs are the ones who should be ashamed...
>into not using what they are paying for.
They're paying *only* for reasonable data use of *one* phone. Read the
TOS. It plainly (well maybe not so plainly) says no tethering and no
excessive data use. If you don't like it, then go elsewhere. Don't
cost Verizon even more money trying to prevent data hogs from using
apps and hacks that circumvent the rules of their system...
At 29 Nov 2011 06:32:29 -0800 Evan Platt wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:37:43 -0600, Janet Wilder
> <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I was in the Mall yesterday and noticed a new store had opened selling
> >Verizon Wireless. It's "Diamond Wireless", not a corporate store, and
> >the fellow there told me that he would beat Verizon's corporate store
> >price for the Incredible 2 when I'm eligible for the cheap price in
March.
> >
> >He was running 'Cupcake' on his Droid. I was impressed as it's not
even
> >out yet.
>
> Cupcake? That's antique. Android OS's go by alphabetical order. We're
> on H - Honeycomb. The next release would be I - Ice Cream Sandwich.
Cute. I never put that connection together. I'm disappointed in myself!
Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, FroYo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, ICS...
Hmm... Does that mean the next will be "Jello"? (I can't think if
another dessert that starts with J...)
> AFAIK, it's nowhere near even being leaked - even the company I'm
> working for which will get a very early release hasn't gotten a
> release of it yet.
There are already unofficial (hacked) ICS ROMs for several phones
including mine, and my phone isn't even an Android phone! (It's an HTC
HD2, which is an old Windows Mobile phone, but it's popular with hackers
since it's very similar hardware to several HTC Android phones of that era.
I run mine as a dual-boot WinMo/Android device.)
I suspect the early demo betas have been leaked. The HD2 ROM isn't very
stable or even complete. Some features are not working yet, but basic
functionality is there, like phone calls, messaging, WiFi, etc.
I suspect the sales person in question is using one of these leaked,
hacked ROMs.
> The best analogy I can think of is at my local 'all you can eat'
> buffet. It has a sign at the door that basically says that each person
> must have a plate. But invariably I see 'food hogs' trying to share a
> plate. Those people who violate the restaurant rules and steal food
> cost the business money and again the prices may go up. Same with
> shoplifters. Same with walking away from a mortgage you signed for. On
> and on. Just because life is full of ways to cheat doesn't mean that
> you should.
Walking away from a mortgage doesn't belong in there.
When you sign a mortgage note you and the bank are signing a contract
where you agree in advance as to what will happen if you do not make the
monthly payments. If you don't pay, for whatever reason, the bank gets
their collateral back whether they want it back or not. Or if they
wisely required PMI then the PMI issuer pays. They can also go after the
borrower for their losses when they sell the property. It's all spelled out.
The banks made what they believed would be highly profitable loans,
willingly inflating valuations, and allowing barely qualified borrowers
to put little or nothing down. They knew the risks. It was working out
well for them until prices came back down to earth and the economy tanked.
AJL wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:31:57 -0700]:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:45:06 +0000 (UTC), Justin
> <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>There's no such thing as a data hog.
>
> Data hogs violate the TOS costing Verizon more money to do business
> and thus indirectly can raise the rates for the rest of us.
According to most marketing fluff, if you use more than "your share" of
the data you are a hog, whether you go over any limit or not.
However, unlimited data means it's impossible to be a data hog
> The best analogy I can think of is at my local 'all you can eat'
> buffet. It has a sign at the door that basically says that each person
> must have a plate. But invariably I see 'food hogs' trying to share a
> plate. Those people who violate the restaurant rules and steal food
That's a failed analagy since unlimited means unlimited.
>>It's a marketing term coined by the wireless providers to shame people
>
> The unethical data hogs are the ones who should be ashamed...
>
>>into not using what they are paying for.
>
> They're paying *only* for reasonable data use of *one* phone. Read the
And?
It's EASY to go over 2GB of data on a phone. Using NO video.
When all the advertising says you can do this, that and other other but
ignores that that and the other and even this would push you over some
imaginary line, it's bs
On 11/29/2011 11:19 AM, Justin wrote:
> SMS wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:17:04 -0800]:
>> On 11/29/2011 10:02 AM, Jstin wrote:
>>
>>> There is no throttling. They have instituted a data limit that they
>>> charge you extra if you go above it.
>>
>> Wrong. You misunderstand what's going on.
>
> Ah, yeah. Wrong carrier
>
>> 1. Unlimited data customers are subject to throttling if they go over
>> 2GB per month. It isn't set in stone, the throttling is only supposed to
>> occur if they are connected to a tower that's congested.
>
> Actually that's not it either
>
> They are throttling the top 5%, the usage doesn't seem to matter
That's true, but they said that over 2GB per month puts users in the top 5%.
> Cupcake? That's antique. Android OS's go by alphabetical order. We're
> on H - Honeycomb. The next release would be I - Ice Cream Sandwich.
> AFAIK, it's nowhere near even being leaked - even the company I'm
> working for which will get a very early release hasn't gotten a
> release of it yet.
It's out. You can compile it. If you have system with 16GB of RAM,
preferably more. And 80GB of hard drive space. And 5 hours.
It's got some advantages, such as merging the tablet and phone OSes into
one.
sms88 wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:16:21 -0800]:
>
>
> On 11/29/2011 11:19 AM, Justin wrote:
>> SMS wrote on [Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:17:04 -0800]:
>>> On 11/29/2011 10:02 AM, Jstin wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no throttling. They have instituted a data limit that they
>>>> charge you extra if you go above it.
>>>
>>> Wrong. You misunderstand what's going on.
>>
>> Ah, yeah. Wrong carrier
>>
>>> 1. Unlimited data customers are subject to throttling if they go over
>>> 2GB per month. It isn't set in stone, the throttling is only supposed to
>>> occur if they are connected to a tower that's congested.
>>
>> Actually that's not it either
>>
>> They are throttling the top 5%, the usage doesn't seem to matter
>
> That's true, but they said that over 2GB per month puts users in the top 5%.
With no actual data provided, it's hard to tell if you are in the top
5%
On 11/28/2011 9:01 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 6:19 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> The cheap phones I've seen come with a contract. I have to be very
>> careful as I have unlimited data and don't want to lose it. If I sign on
>> with another dealer, I might.
>
> Why on earth would you think that an independent dealer would eliminate
> your unlimited data plan?
>
> The reason for not going to an independent dealer is that they add their
> own termination fees onto Verizon's fees. If you have no plans to cancel
> service during the two year term then those fees are of no consequence.
>
> Costco seems to offer very good deals on one phone model per carrier in
> each coupon book.
>
> You've basically got a choice of four phones for world roaming on
> Verizon, HTC Incredible 2, HTC Merge, Motorola Droid 3, and Motorola
> Droid Pro. I'd go with the Droid because the USB hardware on the Droid
> is capable of USB-OTG. The HTC Desire also has this capability, but the
> Merge does not. Some people have gotten it working, sort-of, on some
> Incredible models.
I will research the incredible "merge". I don't know what USB OTG
means. I think it's "on the go" but it doesn't make sense.
Don't suggest anything Motorola makes to this subscriber. I've had
wireless phones since my 3 watt bag phone, circa 1995. The only phones I
have ever had problems with are Motorolas. My current global phone is a
Moto nicknamed "the phone from hell". I only turn it on with DH's
number when we travel to GSM land. I forward our land line to my
Incredible then forward the Incredible to Google Voice. I only turn on
the "phone from hell" if there is an emergency and we need to make a
call outside of the US.
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