Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
LOL the iPhone got Verizon's attention as users continue to defect to
AT&T.
Verzon is forced to change policy on phones to allow any technically
capable phone on the Verizon network. No more are customers locked
into those horrible red/black Verizon phone screens when turning on
their new non Verizon phones.
So now many expect the result of Verizons new open network policy to
to be good for consumers.
November 28, 2007
Verizon Wireless to Open Its Network
By LAURA M. HOLSON
In a major shift for the mobile phone industry, Verizon Wireless said
yesterday that it planned to give customers far more choice in what
phones they could use on its network and how they use them.
While there are technical limitations involved, the company's move
could lead to an American wireless market that is more like those in
Europe and Asia, where a carrier's customers can use any compatible
phone to easily reach a wide array of online services -- and take their
phones with them when they switch companies. The move, which surprised
industry watchers because Verizon Wireless is known to be highly
protective of its traditional business, is part of a larger shift in
the communications world. With the introduction of the iPhone from
Apple, one of the first mainstream multimedia devices, and Google's
plan to make the software that runs cellphones, the industry is being
pushed toward a more open approach.
Carriers like AT&T and Verizon Wireless, which is a joint venture
between Verizon and Vodafone, have spent billions on cell towers and
other infrastructure, and traditionally they have tightly controlled
what happens on their networks. They decide what phones subscribers
can use and then steer them toward ring tones, television shows and
other media products they can buy.
The details of Verizon Wireless's alternative approach have yet to be
worked out. The company did not disclose how much the service would
cost or what rules would apply. Lowell McAdam, chief executive of
Verizon Wireless, said the company would hold a meeting with mobile
phone makers and programmers in the first quarter of next year to talk
about the service, with the goal of introducing it next summer.
"The trend we see here is an explosion of innovation," Mr. McAdam
said. "People want to take so much of what's on the Internet and put
it on the phone."
Other companies are likely to feel pressed to follow Verizon's lead,
analysts and executives said. "If they don't change their own business
model, someone else will do it for them," said Roger Entner, a senior
vice president at IAG Research. "This way they have control."
Consumers are already able to add software and make purchases online
with many cellphones, but often the carriers do not make this easy,
preferring instead to highlight their own offerings on phone screens.
The carriers have also been at odds with Silicon Valley companies like
Google that want people to be able to use their phones in much the
same way that they can use any PC for access to the Internet.
Verizon Wireless, too, is not abandoning its traditional service.
Instead it will offer a separate service plan where consumers can buy
a phone -- one compatible with its network -- and call a toll-free
number to have it activated. Verizon will have a lab where it will
test whether the phones can connect to the network, allowing the
company to still maintain control over what devices are permitted.
Separately, programmers will be able to develop software to run on the
phones without authorization from the company. "We will not be the
gateway to go through," Mr. McAdam said.
But while the company's move won praise from Google, Microsoft and the
Federal Communications Commission, among others, consumer groups
offered a cautionary note.
"There are a lot of unanswered questions," said Gene Kimmelman, vice
president for federal affairs at Consumers Union, an advocacy group in
Washington. "We have significant concerns about prices being sky
high."
Another potential hurdle is that Verizon's network uses CDMA
technology, which is less common than the GSM technology used by AT&T,
T-Mobile and many overseas carriers. As a result, users of Apple's
iPhone and many other GSM-compatible phones will not be able to take
advantage of Verizon's offering.
Still, added Mr. Kimmelman, "it's a step in the right direction."
That step has not come without a bit of prodding. Federal regulators
are moving to encourage the creation of a more open national wireless
network when they auction off spectrum licenses in January. The
auction rules require bidders to partly build a network that is
largely free from carrier constraints.
Among those expected to bid are Google, which many in the industry say
will be a formidable competitor to the likes of AT&T and Verizon.
Google has put together a consortium of companies to use its software
and help it turn mobile phones into hand-held computers. Mr. Kimmelman
said the Verizon Wireless announcement was fueling speculation that it
would be a bidder in that auction, too.
But analysts have noted that Verizon Wireless has been sending mixed
signals. It filed a petition in September with the federal courts
requesting a review of the auction rules on openness, calling them
"arbitrary" and "capricious." Mr. McAdam said his company filed the
petition not to halt competition, but because it believed "it was not
necessary for the F.C.C. to get involved."
He added that Google was not the enemy of the traditional
telecommunications companies that the news media had made it out to
be.
"It's very common and popular in the press to view Google and Verizon
at each other's throats," Mr. McAdam said. "We have far more in common
with Google in meeting demands of consumers than in conflict."
No matter the motivation, many expect the result to be good for
consumers. "This is only going to drive innovation for consumers,
which is a good thing," said Cyriac Roeding, who is in charge of
mobile content efforts at CBS.
If Verizon's effort is successful, then content creators, software
developers and device makers, who have chafed under the control of the
wireless companies, will need to show what they can do. At a
telecommunications conference in San Francisco, those groups were
outwardly hostile toward the carriers, complaining that they were too
controlling.
Now, Mr. Entner said, "the ball is in the court of the device
manufacturers and software developers."
> LOL the iPhone got Verizon's attention as users continue to defect to
> AT&T.
Actually, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T and T-Mobile got their attention. They were
the last carrier to announce such a program. The iPhone had nothing to do
with the decision. Google is more likely the culprit.
Stop being such a fanboi.
>
> Verzon is forced to change policy on phones to allow any technically
> capable phone on the Verizon network. No more are customers locked
> into those horrible red/black Verizon phone screens when turning on
> their new non Verizon phones.
Don't bet on it. The customer may be allowed to bring any phone, but
Verizon is probably going to reflash the phone with their firmware.
Guess who pays Apple $831 for his iPhoney....we'll wait.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Lets see CozmicDebris, you replied without reading the attached NY
TIMES article which clearly mentioned the iPhone was Verizons
motivation to act now.
I agree the gPhone will also have a big impact but that will be at
gutting Verizon's existing business model if tgPhones are free to
users based on ad based revenue. Amazon also has a neat new eBook
device that uses Sprint. It is free to consumers to use to even browse
the world wide web from anywhere on the Sprint network at no charge
from Sprint.
FREE is GOOD. GREED is BAD.
On Nov 27, 10:19 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:73a926cd-89da-4045-aef9-
> d7960a282...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > LOL the iPhone got Verizon's attention as users continue to defect to
> > AT&T.
>
> Actually, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T and T-Mobile got their attention. They were
> the last carrier to announce such a program. The iPhone had nothing to do
> with the decision. Google is more likely the culprit.
>
> Stop being such a fanboi.
>
>
>
> > Verzon is forced to change policy on phones to allow any technically
> > capable phone on the Verizon network. No more are customers locked
> > into those horrible red/black Verizon phone screens when turning on
> > their new non Verizon phones.
>
> Don't bet on it. The customer may be allowed to bring any phone, but
> Verizon is probably going to reflash the phone with their firmware.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
"vic.healey" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9a970447-c1ac-48ed-908e-5a2313f0e3f1@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> Lets see CozmicDebris, you replied without reading the attached NY
> TIMES article which clearly mentioned the iPhone was Verizons
> motivation to act now.
I read the article, but unlike you (apparently), I used a little bit of
accumulated knowledge to read through the inaccuracies. And I'm sorry if
you believe that the NY Times has never been inaccurate in their reporting.
This program will not stop the sale of iPhones and there is no way
technologically that Verizon will be able to put iPhones on their network.
iPhone customers are locked to AT&T for two years.
The iPhone, contrary to the popular Apple opinion, was not the motivator.
>
> I agree the gPhone will also have a big impact but that will be at
> gutting Verizon's existing business model if tgPhones are free to
> users based on ad based revenue. Amazon also has a neat new eBook
> device that uses Sprint. It is free to consumers to use to even browse
> the world wide web from anywhere on the Sprint network at no charge
> from Sprint.
At no charge from Sprint, but at an increased price from Amazon. And $400
for an ebook reader is rather pricey.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Good article Larry, did you notice why AT&T is happy with that
arrangement?
"AT&T is finding that an exclusive on the iPhone draws in new
customers and lures existing ones to buy more expensive data plans.
Carriers will keep paying Apple big kickbacks so long as its phones
still stand out from the pack. "
Also
"Still to Mr. Munster, this is incredibly bullish news for Apple
investors. The higher revenue, of course, compounds Mr. Munster's
already optimistic view of the IPhones sales prospects. He figures
Apple will sell a total of 3.4 million iPhones this year, 12.9 million
next year and 45 million in 2009. The boom, he suggests, will come
from increased features such as navigation and faster data speeds, as
well as a lower price. He figures the average price of the iPhone, now
$399 in this country, will drop to $300 in two years."
Just about everyone I know wants an iPhone which is sort of an
indicator that the above may play out as indicated by analyst Munster.
On Nov 27, 10:20 pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:73a926cd-89da-4045-
> aef9-d7960a282...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > LOL the iPhone got Verizon's attention as users continue to
> defect to
> > AT&T.
>
> Every iPhoney costs ATT $831!
>
> Read this:http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...he-831-iphone/
>
> Guess who pays Apple $831 for his iPhoney....we'll wait.
>
> Larry
> --
> Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
> you're downloads threaten their networks......
> ....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
> Just about everyone I know wants an iPhone which is sort of an
> indicator that the above may play out as indicated by analyst
Munster.
>
>
And just about every iPhone owner I show my Nokia N800 internet
tablet to wants rid of his ATT ball and chain to dump it for
mine.
Today, Amazon.com announced the NUMBER ONE selling "notebook" at
Amazon was not a notebook at all, but the very Nokia N800
internet tablet I really enjoy. The new N810 with the slideout
keyboard was NUMBER 3!....not shabby sales at all for a Linux
box!
Heading out this morning, I was talking on Skype over Alltel EVDO
to an Air Force friend in Iraq about his Orb TV link I setup from
his home, here, to the tent in Iraq using Orb (corp.orb.com).
Being on Skype-to-Skype from the tablet on EVDO to him on a
military laptop with broadband on the base, cost us nothing and
with good privacy of Skype's 256-bit encryption.
I think N800 sales are tied to the recent addition of Skype VoIP
to the tablet's inventory of software available. It's why I
bought it in the first place, before I knew about Maemo Mapper.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
> In article <Xns99F5EB86AD7FCnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> And just about every iPhone owner I show my Nokia N800
internet
>> tablet to wants rid of his ATT ball and chain to dump it for
>> mine.
>
> They don't want a cell phone?
>
>
They already have a SELLphone....the one they had when they got
suckered into that locked up piece of shit iPhoney
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Never have seen a N800 in action, but the reviews are very positive.
However, it's huge! Put it in a small package (the iPhone or the Voyager
are about...what...half the size) and it will be a winner. To think that
the iPhone, as well as the rumored "gPhone" and others, including the N800,
didn't influence Verizon's decision is hard to believe. Due to their
generally superior network, they were able to hold out as long as possible
with a second rate UI and phones with controlled/limited/crippled features.
Thankfully, it looks like those days are nearly over. Does Amazon even sell
the iPhone? So who can say what MIGHT be the #1 seller. So long as there
are enough competing manufacturers and carriers this is only good news for
consumers who want a truly multi-functional device.
That's really no different than any other cellphone sold- AT&T generally
pays their dealers an ongoing monthy residual of up to 15%. In this case,
there's no dealer (iPhones come from Apple or AT&T corporate stores only-
the dealer network doesn't have access.) So now, 15% of your monthy fee
goes to Apple instead of a mall kiosk. The difference to the customer is
essentially zero, except to the fanboys that'll feel warm and fuzzy knowing
a portion of their cellular fees go to the Apple mothership instead of some
local business person.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 28 Nov 2007 10:20:10 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Wait a minute--what am I missing here?
>
> The N800 doesn't make phone calls over the cellular network, correct?
> It's not a cell phone.
>
> So, the people you're showing it to don't want to make phone calls over
> the cell phone network?
I think Larry is (ineloquently) making a case against the "convergence
device."
Building iPods, browsers, e-mail, etc., into cellphones has made them
larger and often less-suited to making phone calls.
For years I've carried a separate WinCE-based PDA and a cellphone, but
bought a Combo two years ago. While I'm generally happier with it, the
seperate devices were better in many ways, but overall having less to
schlep was the better choice for me.
Larry's simply making the argument that separates give you the benefits of
a better browser, larger screen, webcams, more storage, etc. when you need
it, and the ease and simplicity of a better PHONE when you don't.
Both scenarios have their advantages, and both points are valid. I find it
ironic that despite the march of technology, the smallest, thinnest phone
I've ever owned, my Nokia 8290, was purchased in 2001! It's still a
relatively small phone (but completely featureless!) by today's standards.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 28 Nov 2007 17:52:11 +0000 stevev wrote:
> Never have seen a N800 in action, but the reviews are very positive.
> However, it's huge! Put it in a small package (the iPhone or the Voyager
> are about...what...half the size) and it will be a winner.
I think you're missing it's point. The device is supposded to be "huge" by
iPhone/Voyager standards. It's a web-tablet, not a phone, and it is
supposed to be a sort of middleground (in usability) between smartphones
and laptops.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 27 Nov 2007 19:36:29 -0800 vic.healey wrote:
> Amazon also has a neat new eBook
> device that uses Sprint. It is free to consumers to use to even browse
> the world wide web from anywhere on the Sprint network at no charge
> from Sprint.
>
> FREE is GOOD. GREED is BAD.
The Amazon device doesn't browse the web- it allows you to download
purchased/subscription content over the cellular networks. AFAIK, the only
"free" content offered is Wikipedia. Even the 100+ blogs you can access
from a Kindle require a subscription, IIRC.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, stevev posted:
> Never have seen a N800 in action, but the reviews are very positive.
> However, it's huge! Put it in a small package (the iPhone or the Voyager
> are about...what...half the size) and it will be a winner.
The difference is much less than that; about 1 inch less in width and
about 1/2 inch less in height. Thickness is comparable.
More specifically:
. iPhone's dimensions are 115x61x11.6mm with a 320x480 screen.
. N800's dimensions are 144x75x13mm with a 800x480 screen.
N800 is not a mobile phone, although it can do VOIP over Wi-Fi using Skype
or Google Talk. N800 is an Internet access device, and is designed to
render full sized web pages with readable text (which iPhone can not do).
> To think that
> the iPhone, as well as the rumored "gPhone" and others, including the N800,
> didn't influence Verizon's decision is hard to believe.
I doubt very much that Verizon cares at all about the N800. Verizon's
market is not in devices such as the N800.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
In article <KHj3j.4$e%6.0@fe117.usenetserver.com>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> The Amazon device doesn't browse the web- it allows you to download
> purchased/subscription content over the cellular networks. AFAIK, the only
> "free" content offered is Wikipedia. Even the 100+ blogs you can access
> from a Kindle require a subscription, IIRC.
It does browse the web. It has a web browser. If you use the web
browser you can read all blogs for free. Even the ones they charge for
by subscription to download. And the 3G connection is free. At first
glance I thought as you did about the device but delving into it, it
looks like the device has some potential.
> The N800 doesn't make phone calls over the cellular network,
correct?
> It's not a cell phone.
>
> So, the people you're showing it to don't want to make phone
calls over
> the cell phone network?
>
Well, yes and no. The N800 makes Skype calls over the Sellphone
via BT dun...or Google Talk or other VoIP telephone calls. N800
has its own telephone numbers. Mine has two, one in Charleston,
SC and one in London, UK for my English friends to call. It's a
full Skype phone, but, so far, doesn't support video from its
webcam. There's a driver missing I hope they'll fix.
Making calls on the N800 at noon on Tuesday to a landline in
Hawaii costs me $30/YEAR....on the SAME account all my other
Skype devices use. They even all ring at once, like we wish our
SELLphones would....from the same number, which they lie and tell
you can't be done. I pay Alltel $25/month for about 800Kbps
internet...including Skype's ports for encrypted data.
Noone I've met who has had the pleasure of holding the iPhone
tablet to their ear to make a cellphone call objects to going
back to a tiny BT sellphone they can hold in two fingers that has
real buttons on it. Not one. If I had to hold the N800 to my
ear to receive calls, I'd junk it! Sellphone calls are made and
received on the MotoROKR Z6M sellphone, here. MUCH more
convenient.
I don't HAVE to carry my tablet around to use the Sellphone,
which would be awful a lot of the time.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:HHj3j.1$e%6.0@fe117.usenetserver.com:
> Larry's simply making the argument that separates give you the
> benefits of a better browser, larger screen, webcams, more
storage,
> etc. when you need it, and the ease and simplicity of a better
PHONE
> when you don't.
>
>
Thank you. I'd like to add that I control what the tablet does
or does not do, not some Sellphone company bureaucrats hell bent
on stopping it using bandwidth. Iphone and Voyager and Sellphone
PDAs are controlled by "them" and their tampering.
In my system, the tampering is limited to the phone, which I only
use as a modem and phone and could care less about its Brew
nonsense. It's just much better to operate in control of your
equipment as much as possible.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-11-29, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Well, yes and no. The N800 makes Skype calls over the Sellphone
> via BT dun...or Google Talk or other VoIP telephone calls.
So it's a voice call, but as far as the cellular carrier is concerned, it's
a data call. Right? (want to make sure I understand)
N800
> has its own telephone numbers. Mine has two, one in Charleston,
> SC and one in London, UK for my English friends to call. It's a
> full Skype phone, but, so far, doesn't support video from its
> webcam. There's a driver missing I hope they'll fix.
>
> Making calls on the N800 at noon on Tuesday to a landline in
> Hawaii costs me $30/YEAR....on the SAME account all my other
> Skype devices use. They even all ring at once, like we wish our
> SELLphones would....from the same number, which they lie and tell
> you can't be done. I pay Alltel $25/month for about 800Kbps
> internet...including Skype's ports for encrypted data.
>
> Noone I've met who has had the pleasure of holding the iPhone
> tablet to their ear to make a cellphone call objects to going
> back to a tiny BT sellphone they can hold in two fingers that has
> real buttons on it. Not one. If I had to hold the N800 to my
> ear to receive calls, I'd junk it! Sellphone calls are made and
> received on the MotoROKR Z6M sellphone, here. MUCH more
> convenient.
>
> I don't HAVE to carry my tablet around to use the Sellphone,
> which would be awful a lot of the time.
>
> Larry
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
"stevev" <stevev@addlebrain.com> wrote in
news:fVh3j.71656$YL5.49623@newssvr29.news.prodigy. net:
> However, it's huge! Put it in a small package (the iPhone or
the
> Voyager are about...what...half the size) and it will be a
winner.
That's simply not true. The N800 is the same size, with the same
sized screen as a Sony PSP video game. I'm using a PSP $10
carrying case for BOTH the N800 and the Nokia SU-8W folding
Bluetooth keyboard...all in one neat case with something I don't
have to fight to type on. Sending emails after I got the
keyboard is a pleasure in comparison to stylus or fingerprints
all over the touchscreen. BOTH devices fit in a slightly
modified (remove the internal game storage leaves) Game Stop
travel case.
Simply its 800 pixel wide 4.5" display is worth the tiny size
difference. You're not going to be carrying the iPhone in your
shirt pocket with your glasses and pen, either. It's not THAT
small. You can carry a Voyager, but its screens are not much
bigger than a Sellphone, rendering it useless. You have to SEE
what your looking at! Voyager is too small to be an internet
device for the same reason a Sellphone is. You can't read it.
Larry
--
The N800 proved too small to type on with your fingers, here....
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 29 Nov 2007 06:25:20 +0000 Larry wrote:
> Thank you. I'd like to add that I control what the tablet does
> or does not do, not some Sellphone company bureaucrats hell bent
> on stopping it using bandwidth. Iphone and Voyager and Sellphone
> PDAs are controlled by "them" and their tampering.
>
Not necessarily- my WinMo T-Mo MDA (HTC Wizard) wasn't crippled in any way,
and runs any WinCE native app (including Skype Mobile.)
> In my system, the tampering is limited to the phone, which I only
> use as a modem and phone and could care less about its Brew
> nonsense. It's just much better to operate in control of your
> equipment as much as possible.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in
news:alpine.WNT.0.99999.0711281635151.4736@Tomobik i-
Cho.CAC.Washignton.ED
U:
> N800 is an Internet access device, and is designed to
> render full sized web pages with readable text (which iPhone
can not
> do).
The only thing on webpages N800 doesn't do is JAVA, itself,
because Sun hasn't written a JAVA for it. It comes with Opera 8,
upgrading to Mozilla/Firefox with OS2008, or you can install the
Mozilla engine with Opera and run either, which is nice. It
comes with Flash 9, so youtube runs natively, not converted. Its
Media player also plays Real media files and streams externally,
which is better that in webpages on anything this small.
UKTube is a freeware Youtube player some hacker wrote because he
didn't like watching such small video clips. You simply copy
from the youtube webpage and paste the URL into UKTube and it
runs the youtube video in full screen so it looks much better.
N800 renders MOST Divx Movies off usenet if you use Mplayer,
another hacker video player for its engine. This extra player
also makes the audio much louder so you can disturb the other
restaurant patrons during the car chase or when the spaceship is
firing on the victims...(c;
> I doubt very much that Verizon cares at all about the N800.
Verizon's
> market is not in devices such as the N800.
That might have been true before Black Friday. Amazon sales of
N800 internet tablets was NUMBER ONE in "notebook sales" that
day. There seem to be plenty of discounted (under $200) N800s
available, but Buy.com ran out of Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth keyboards
just after shipping mine! The keyboard works with any HID BT
device, not just the N800, of course. It has special Sellphone
keys the N800 doesn't respond to to navigate the phones odd
menus.
Nokia's new N810 internet tablet was #3 on the list under a real
notebook. They seem to be much hotter sellers here, very
recently. You don't have to know anything about Linux to use
N800 with its "end user targeted" software from maemo.org. Hell,
software is much easier to install and run than WinXP, WM or
Palm.
I must admit I did steal iPhone's web-based-application idea a
little. Instead of "syncing" a palm pilot like I did for years,
I've created some private webpages for my web-based, multi-system
PDA functions. I put my calendar, todo list, mileage logs, etc.,
on the web server which is keeping all those records to be used
by any of my devices, now....not duplicating databases on
desktops, my laptop and PDA like before. No syncing is
necessary. Having EVDO everywhere, I don't need to store the
database on the pocket computer at all.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfksn0n.k60.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> So it's a voice call, but as far as the cellular carrier is
concerned,
> it's a data call. Right? (want to make sure I understand)
>
>
Yep. Just another burst application in the data stream on an odd
port....any port...making it nearly impossible to block.
Data calls are $25/month for EVDO or $10/month for 1X on
Alltel...any time....even in the country around here.
Larry
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Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 28 Nov 2007 21:07:18 -0500 Charles wrote:
> It does browse the web. It has a web browser. If you use the web
> browser you can read all blogs for free. Even the ones they charge for
> by subscription to download. And the 3G connection is free. At first
> glance I thought as you did about the device but delving into it, it
> looks like the device has some potential.
Thanks for the correction. The web site is pretty vague- it mentions the
"experimental" web browsing, but says something cryptic about fees to
access "some" webpages...
"If there is a fee to visit the page, accept the charge for Web access
using the select wheel..."
Almost like the free browsing is some kind of beta thing.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
At 29 Nov 2007 07:03:36 +0000 Steve Sobol wrote:
> > The only thing on webpages N800 doesn't do is JAVA, itself,
> > because Sun hasn't written a JAVA for it.
>
> What does it run? Didn't you say it ran Linux? Java is available for
> Linux.
I may be betraying my Linux ignorance here, but in addition to being
available for "Linux" doesn't it also have to be processor compatible
(unless you have the source code to compile yourself)?
I assume the Java for Linux is for Intel-compatible processors, and not the
ARM (or whatever) processor in the N800.
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfksp29.naq.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> What does it run? Didn't you say it ran Linux? Java is
available for
> Linux.
>
>
It's a modification of Debian called Maemo Linux for Tablets. I
haven't tried Linux Java but I'm sure those MUCH smarter than me
would have tested and be running it on the maemo platform if it
were that simple. I haven't seen it so far.
It's not that much of an issue, except for the government's NOAA
weather sites where they use Java movies. I wish they'd switch
to Flash.
Larry
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Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
news:filv0r$b2g$1@aioe.org:
> I assume the Java for Linux is for Intel-compatible processors,
and
> not the ARM (or whatever) processor in the N800.
>
>
>
Correct. It needs to be reported for ARM. It hasn't been.
Larry
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Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
Re: Wow Apple and Google Force Verzion to Change Network Policy
On 2007-11-29, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> I may be betraying my Linux ignorance here, but in addition to being
> available for "Linux" doesn't it also have to be processor compatible
> (unless you have the source code to compile yourself)?
Yes. JVMs have to be built for specific platforms.
> I assume the Java for Linux is for Intel-compatible processors, and not the
> ARM (or whatever) processor in the N800.
Sun officially maintains an x86 Java port, but I would be surprised if a port
for the N800's processor wasn't available.
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