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Old 09-03-2008, 09:24 AM
Jimmy Neutron
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Default Active USB extension cable - How to make it yourself?

I am planning a HTPC systems and need to take USB cable 30-50 ft from the base.
Active USD cable extender are sold at stores but cost too much for my project. I
tested Cat5e at ridiculous length (60 ft and over) and did momentarily get
connected.
I am thinking of make the active cables myself. I can do simple electronics but
so far haven't found any DIY instructions on making an active cable yourself?

Any pointers to instruction over the net? Can't be too difficult since the active
cables sold at stores seem to have only little electronics.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:18 AM
Paul
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Default Re: Active USB extension cable - How to make it yourself?

Jimmy Neutron wrote:
> I am planning a HTPC systems and need to take USB cable 30-50 ft from the base.
> Active USD cable extender are sold at stores but cost too much for my project. I
> tested Cat5e at ridiculous length (60 ft and over) and did momentarily get
> connected.
> I am thinking of make the active cables myself. I can do simple electronics but
> so far haven't found any DIY instructions on making an active cable yourself?
>
> Any pointers to instruction over the net? Can't be too difficult since the active
> cables sold at stores seem to have only little electronics.


You can get 15 foot active extension cables for $20 or so. They
consist of 15 feet of USB wire, plus a one port hub at the
end. To go 75 feet would cost about $100 or thereabouts.
You could put a powered USB2 hub at the end of the chain,
to provide decent power to the device at the end.

Computer -------- one_port_hub --------- powered_hub ---------- USB_Device
|<--- 5 meters ---> |
|<- $20.00 or so -> |

On Newegg, the reviews for some of the 5 meter active cables,
state they weren't able to cascade them. Some of these things,
only one will work. This one, at least someone got two to work.
It is $11.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tem=12-224-004

The maximum total wire length is 30 meters, according to this.
I guess that would be five active cables, plus a passive cable
at the end. The limitation is the number of hubs (which add
significantly to the propagation delay).

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=31116

Using two 5 meter active cables, a 5 meter passive cable,
a powered hub, gives a bit more than 45 feet or so. The last
cable from the powered hub could be up to 5 meters also,
which then covers the 50 foot mark.

The purpose of the powered hub, is to prevent the DC power
coming down the wire, from being an issue. The one port
hub at the end, apparently draws about 5 milliamps, so the
drop in the cable may not affect it. If you had a 500mA
USB_Device at the end of the cable, you want a powered
hub, with its own wall wart, to do the powering.

The above scheme doesn't break any rules, but there could be
some propagation delay and effect on the maximum transfer
rate in megabytes/sec. If a USB hard drive managed 30MB/sec
when plugged directly into the computer, you'd expect
a lesser benchmark with the usage of the additional hubs.

Paul

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Old 09-03-2008, 02:03 PM
kony
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Default Re: Active USB extension cable - How to make it yourself?

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:24:14 +0300, Jimmy Neutron
<fake@email.invalid.com> wrote:

>I am planning a HTPC systems and need to take USB cable 30-50 ft from the base.
>Active USD cable extender are sold at stores but cost too much for my project.


Then you're out of luck, you can't just wish something was
cheaper and that it still does what you require. Search
online for a better price, brick and mortar stores are
almost always more expensive for cabling.

Further, I doubt that you actually need a 30-50 ft USB
cable, there's bound to be other ways to get the job done
but not necessarily dirt cheap.


>I
>tested Cat5e at ridiculous length (60 ft and over) and did momentarily get
>connected.
>I am thinking of make the active cables myself.


It will cost at least as much as you could find one for
online.


> I can do simple electronics but
>so far haven't found any DIY instructions on making an active cable yourself?
>


If you have the skill you need to get the job done, you'll
be able to search a website like Digikey and find the
microchip with the functionality you need, be able to
consult it's datasheet and all that then remains is making
the PCB layout you need in a program like Eagle. In other
words, if you are otherwise capable you won't need a DIY
instruction to do it. If you want to try this still, if you
find more than one microchip capable then look at the
datasheets for all of them as sometimes the manufacturer
will provide a reference/prototype PCB layout than you can
just copy and/or slightly adapt without having to design
that yourself, though it is almost always a much larger
layout than a professionially finished product (like a store
bought active cable) uses.


>Any pointers to instruction over the net? Can't be too difficult since the active
>cables sold at stores seem to have only little electronics.


They're compact because it saves money to do it like that,
meaning it will take you more time, not less, to accomplish
the same compactness when you DIY.


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Old 01-20-2011, 03:33 PM
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Default usb cable

Use low resistance cable with a thick core not less than 1.5 mm .

Should work!
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Old 01-24-2011, 06:16 AM
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Default usb extension project

i have lots of usb devices and my computer has only 4 ports..i would like to make an extension in order for me to plug in as many devices as i can..for example, i plug would only be connected to my cpu and at the end of that plug, there are 6 usb slots..i know that it is available at the market but i would like to make it on my own so i can also share it with my students..is that possible?i'm from he philippines..
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