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Old 08-13-2005, 07:08 AM
ric
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Default Audio to CD burner

Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
speakers.

Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
"see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?

User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.

Suggestions? I have never gotten into CD burning, so I don't know.

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Old 08-13-2005, 07:17 AM
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ric wrote:
> Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
> to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
> speakers.
>
> Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
> "see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>
> User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
> do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.
>
> Suggestions? I have never gotten into CD burning, so I don't know.


You'll have to capture the incoming audio signal before you can burn it
to CD. There may well be a package that does it all, but I think it's
unrealistic to try to burn to a disc "in realtime."

Nero would have all that you need. First capture the incoming data with
"Nero Wave Editor," and save it to wave files. Then, start a new Audio
CD project in Nero Burning ROM, and drag in your waves.

Burn it and you'll have the new additions to your library.

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Old 08-13-2005, 08:19 PM
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"Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
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>> Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
>> "see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>>
>> User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
>> do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.
>>
>> Suggestions? I have never gotten into CD burning, so I don't know.

>
> You'll have to capture the incoming audio signal before you can burn it to
> CD. There may well be a package that does it all, but I think it's
> unrealistic to try to burn to a disc "in realtime."
>
> Nero would have all that you need. First capture the incoming data with
> "Nero Wave Editor," and save it to wave files. Then, start a new Audio CD
> project in Nero Burning ROM, and drag in your waves.


Thanks. Any other software that'll do this? Is Nero available online?

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Old 08-14-2005, 04:22 AM
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ric wrote:
> "Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
> news:qggLe.244811$x96.181055@attbi_s72...
>
>
>>>Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
>>>"see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>>>
>>>User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
>>>do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.
>>>
>>>Suggestions? I have never gotten into CD burning, so I don't know.

>>
>>You'll have to capture the incoming audio signal before you can burn it to
>>CD. There may well be a package that does it all, but I think it's
>>unrealistic to try to burn to a disc "in realtime."
>>
>>Nero would have all that you need. First capture the incoming data with
>>"Nero Wave Editor," and save it to wave files. Then, start a new Audio CD
>>project in Nero Burning ROM, and drag in your waves.

>
>
> Thanks. Any other software that'll do this?


You can burn audio files with lots of software. Windows Media Player,
WinAmp, and countless others. There are probably other options for
capture as well -- try www.download.com if you're looking for a freebie.

> Is Nero available online?


http://ww2.nero.com/enu/index.html

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:03 AM
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"Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
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> You can burn audio files with lots of software. Windows Media Player,
> WinAmp, and countless others. There are probably other options for
> capture as well -- try www.download.com if you're looking for a freebie.


I'll visit Google as well. I have plenty of software that'll burn captured
audio. It's the capturing part that is lacking.

> > Is Nero available online?

>
> http://ww2.nero.com/enu/index.html


I went there earlier. They have a 30-day free trial on their Nero 6
Ultra Edition version 6.6. Earlier editions as well. Worth a try, I
guess. TKS.

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Old 08-14-2005, 06:40 AM
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:03:56 -0700, "ric" <nospam@home.com>
wrote:

>"Grinder" <grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote in message
>news:INyLe.247111$x96.14290@attbi_s72...
>
>> You can burn audio files with lots of software. Windows Media Player,
>> WinAmp, and countless others. There are probably other options for
>> capture as well -- try www.download.com if you're looking for a freebie.

>
>I'll visit Google as well. I have plenty of software that'll burn captured
>audio. It's the capturing part that is lacking.



Just about any audio editing program will rcord this
incoming audio. here are a few, free ones,

http://www.exactaudiocopy.org/
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
Realtek's Audio Rack software "might" be able to do it too
(just a guess, I dont' use it but here's a link anyway)
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&Software=True

Some popular commercial (consumer) titles include Cool Edit,
Soundforge, Voyetra (forget the app's name), Cakewalk.



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Old 08-14-2005, 07:23 AM
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:40:05 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

>Just about any audio editing program will rcord this
>incoming audio. here are a few, free ones,


>http://www.exactaudiocopy.org/
>http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>Realtek's Audio Rack software "might" be able to do it too
>(just a guess, I dont' use it but here's a link anyway)
>http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&Software=True


>Some popular commercial (consumer) titles include Cool Edit,
>Soundforge, Voyetra (forget the app's name), Cakewalk.


Windows has one - sndrec32.exe. It will create a .wav file for an
input it picks up from the sound card. Just hit the Record button
while the sound is playing in the card. It even has a couple primitive
effects. I have no idea what the quality of the recording is.



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Old 08-14-2005, 09:30 AM
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 06:23:12 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:


>Windows has one - sndrec32.exe. It will create a .wav file for an
>input it picks up from the sound card. Just hit the Record button
>while the sound is playing in the card. It even has a couple primitive
>effects. I have no idea what the quality of the recording is.
>



True, but doesn't it still limit you to 60 seconds recording
time unless it's hacked somehow?

OP might even have a suitable audio program on the CD that
came with his motherboard... but I don't recall what it'd be
named.

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Old 08-14-2005, 11:47 PM
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ric wrote:
> Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
> to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
> speakers.
>
> Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
> "see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>
> User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
> do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.
>
> Suggestions? I have never gotten into CD burning, so I don't know.
>
> --
> Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
>
>

That is not the purpose of the cable you mention -- it feeds audio from
the drive to the input of the audio system not the other way around.
Virtually no modern system makes use of this cable any more since modern
hardware is able to make better use of the digital signals from the
drive than it ever could the analog signal. I haven't had a system that
had that cable in place for at least five years and every one of them is
able to play back CDs just fine digitally.

I won't go into what is involved in burning CDs since it varies (just a
little) among applications. A bit of a light read of your burning
software manual will let you know.
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[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

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Old 08-15-2005, 06:27 AM
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"John McGaw" <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote in message
news:6QPLe.18056$rp.16282@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .

>> Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
>> to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
>> speakers.
>>
>> Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
>> "see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>>
>> User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
>> do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.


> That is not the purpose of the cable you mention --


I didn't think I had mentioned a cable. I'll re-read. Nope, no mention of a
cable. To which cable were you referring?

> it feeds audio from the drive to the input of the audio system not the
> other way around. Virtually no modern system makes use of this cable any
> more since modern hardware is able to make better use of the digital
> signals from the drive than it ever could the analog signal. I haven't had
> a system that had that cable in place for at least five years and every
> one of them is able to play back CDs just fine digitally.


You lost me, or I lost you. Whatever, I am just trying to burn a CD of
what is playing on my stereo system, be it a record, tape, or the radio.
I have been successful in getting this audio to the computer so that it
plays through the computer speakers, but apparently I need some sort
of grabbing software to get the audio to the CD burner. A couple of
respondents have mentioned software suitable for the task.

> I won't go into what is involved in burning CDs since it varies (just a
> little) among applications. A bit of a light read of your burning software
> manual will let you know.


Burning CDs from CDs isn't the problem. I have numerous programs
to do that. Burning CDs from non CD (and non PC) sources is the
dilemma.

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Old 08-15-2005, 06:30 AM
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Just about any audio editing program will rcord this
> incoming audio. here are a few, free ones,
>
> http://www.exactaudiocopy.org/
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> Realtek's Audio Rack software "might" be able to do it too
> (just a guess, I dont' use it but here's a link anyway)
> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&Software=True
>
> Some popular commercial (consumer) titles include Cool Edit,
> Soundforge, Voyetra (forget the app's name), Cakewalk.


Thanks. I'll check out these sites.

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Old 08-15-2005, 06:55 AM
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ric wrote:
> "John McGaw" <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:6QPLe.18056$rp.16282@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>
>>>Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
>>>to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
>>>speakers.
>>>
>>>Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
>>>"see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>>>
>>>User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
>>>do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.

>
>
>>That is not the purpose of the cable you mention --

>
>
> I didn't think I had mentioned a cable. I'll re-read. Nope, no mention of a
> cable. To which cable were you referring?


CD drives generally have a 4-pinned audio out on them, that will out an
analog audio signal when an audio disc is being played. You can run
that line into your sound card (or motherboard if you have an integrated
sound card,) to make use of it.

It turns out that the computer can quite easily produce a signal by
reading the digital data off of the disc, instead of having to rely upon
the CD drive to make a digital-to-analog conversion.

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Old 08-15-2005, 09:55 AM
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:55:49 GMT, Grinder
<grinder@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:

<snip>

>It turns out that the computer can quite easily produce a signal by
>reading the digital data off of the disc, instead of having to rely upon
>the CD drive to make a digital-to-analog conversion.


.... but only time will tell if music labels try to interfere
with this.

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Old 08-15-2005, 10:42 AM
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:55:49 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:

>CD drives generally have a 4-pinned audio out on them, that will out an
>analog audio signal when an audio disc is being played. You can run
>that line into your sound card (or motherboard if you have an integrated
>sound card,) to make use of it.


That connection is made with a special cable and should be standard on
any build. If not the user can get the cable from almost any supplier
- some will even give it to you free if you are a good customer.



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Old 08-15-2005, 10:44 AM
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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:30:55 -0700, "ric" <nospam@home.com> wrote:

>> Some popular commercial (consumer) titles include Cool Edit,
>> Soundforge, Voyetra (forget the app's name), Cakewalk.


I use Soundforge. I was told that it is a very popular application. It
does everything I want to do.

I thought Cakewalk is MIDI application.



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Old 08-15-2005, 12:01 PM
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ric wrote:
> "John McGaw" <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:6QPLe.18056$rp.16282@bignews1.bellsouth.net.. .
>
>
>>>Asus A7V8Z MB. Realtek AC97 Audio. Audio from hi-fi line out
>>>to computer audio line in. Audio from hi-fi plays fine through computer's
>>>speakers.
>>>
>>>Question: What hardware/software is necessary to have CD burner
>>>"see" this audio, and enable user to burn a CD of this audio?
>>>
>>>User is currently using Sonic RecordNow to do CD burns, but it won't
>>>do this. Neither will Media Player or Real Player.

>
>
>>That is not the purpose of the cable you mention --

>
>
> I didn't think I had mentioned a cable. I'll re-read. Nope, no mention of a
> cable. To which cable were you referring?
>
>
>>it feeds audio from the drive to the input of the audio system not the
>>other way around. Virtually no modern system makes use of this cable any
>>more since modern hardware is able to make better use of the digital
>>signals from the drive than it ever could the analog signal. I haven't had
>>a system that had that cable in place for at least five years and every
>>one of them is able to play back CDs just fine digitally.

>
>
> You lost me, or I lost you. Whatever, I am just trying to burn a CD of
> what is playing on my stereo system, be it a record, tape, or the radio.
> I have been successful in getting this audio to the computer so that it
> plays through the computer speakers, but apparently I need some sort
> of grabbing software to get the audio to the CD burner. A couple of
> respondents have mentioned software suitable for the task.
>
>
>>I won't go into what is involved in burning CDs since it varies (just a
>>little) among applications. A bit of a light read of your burning software
>>manual will let you know.

>
>
> Burning CDs from CDs isn't the problem. I have numerous programs
> to do that. Burning CDs from non CD (and non PC) sources is the
> dilemma.
>
> --
> Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
>
>

My apologies for misunderstanding your post -- it happens. Go and
download Audacity. It is free and is fully capable of encoding external
audio being fed into an audio card in a computer and then editing the
result. Once that has been done any CD burning application will make an
audio CD from the file(s). I suggest Audacity because of the price and
capabilities but it is surprising that whatever audio card you are using
didn't come with an application to do the same thing. Every Creative
card certainly does and every other manufacturer's card I've seen does
also. Nero 6 has the capability also although they did an efficient job
of hiding it but their application has one nice trick in that it can
automatically split a long recording session into tracks i.e. record an
LP and automatically have it divided into files that correspond with CD
tracks.
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[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

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Old 08-15-2005, 01:18 PM
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:44:05 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:30:55 -0700, "ric" <nospam@home.com> wrote:
>
>>> Some popular commercial (consumer) titles include Cool Edit,
>>> Soundforge, Voyetra (forget the app's name), Cakewalk.

>
>I use Soundforge. I was told that it is a very popular application. It
>does everything I want to do.


Yep, most editors are overkill for simply recording an
analog input but you never know what features might be handy
while they're available- and recording itself is usually
fairly straightforward.


>
>I thought Cakewalk is MIDI application.
>


"tis a brand, encompasses several apps.


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Old 08-15-2005, 08:33 PM
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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>>CD drives generally have a 4-pinned audio out on them, that will out an
>>analog audio signal when an audio disc is being played. You can run
>>that line into your sound card (or motherboard if you have an integrated
>>sound card,) to make use of it.

>
> That connection is made with a special cable and should be standard on
> any build. If not the user can get the cable from almost any supplier
> - some will even give it to you free if you are a good customer.


The above is *not* the problem. Drive output is fine. Problem *was*
getting burner to recognize analog audio from another source. Solution
is apparently an audio grabber.

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Old 08-15-2005, 08:45 PM
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"John McGaw" <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote in message
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> I suggest Audacity because of the price and capabilities but it is
> surprising that whatever audio card you are using didn't come with an
> application to do the same thing. Every Creative card certainly does and
> every other manufacturer's card I've seen does also.


Motherboard has AC97 audio onboard. System has many Creative
files, but attempting to open them results in the infamous "CTIntrfc.dll
not found" dilemma. I don't want to address that minefield. I will try
both Nero and Audacity, and others.

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Old 08-16-2005, 12:01 AM
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:45:03 -0700, "ric" <nospam@home.com>
wrote:

>"John McGaw" <nobody@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>news:yA_Le.8318$xW.1095@bignews6.bellsouth.net. ..
>
>> I suggest Audacity because of the price and capabilities but it is
>> surprising that whatever audio card you are using didn't come with an
>> application to do the same thing. Every Creative card certainly does and
>> every other manufacturer's card I've seen does also.

>
>Motherboard has AC97 audio onboard. System has many Creative
>files, but attempting to open them results in the infamous "CTIntrfc.dll
>not found" dilemma. I don't want to address that minefield. I will try
>both Nero and Audacity, and others.



I know nothing about that infamous problem but in general if
a file isn't found you can simply *find* the file (online if
you don't have it on a local drive) and copy it to the app
or Windows system folder. If it still doesn't work then
register the file with regsvc32.exe (Google for the command
parameters) or use an automated front-end for regsvc32 like
Regwiz, http://www.zingsoftware.com/index.php?d=regwiz

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Old 08-16-2005, 06:33 AM
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>>Motherboard has AC97 audio onboard. System has many Creative
>>files, but attempting to open them results in the infamous "CTIntrfc.dll
>>not found" dilemma. I don't want to address that minefield. I will try
>>both Nero and Audacity, and others.

>
>
> I know nothing about that infamous problem but in general if
> a file isn't found you can simply *find* the file (online if
> you don't have it on a local drive) and copy it to the app
> or Windows system folder. If it still doesn't work then
> register the file with regsvc32.exe (Google for the command
> parameters) or use an automated front-end for regsvc32 like
> Regwiz, http://www.zingsoftware.com/index.php?d=regwiz


I Googled that missing file, read some of the horror stories from those who
tried as you suggested, and decided that I didn't *really* need the Creative
files at the moment. Something for a rainy day.

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Old 08-16-2005, 07:09 AM
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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:33:58 -0700, "ric" <nospam@home.com> wrote:

>Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.


But one day farther away from infant mortality.



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