Best Bang for the Buck

Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.

I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).

So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
seems to be around CAN 1600$.

So here are my specs :
AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
Antec P180 Case
Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
$1389.95
(notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)

Picture here :
http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd

Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...

Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
system that can provide as much graphics ?

Thanks for all the input !

In article <1157248592.523005.9440@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
djisti@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
> years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
> BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
> life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
> be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.
>
> I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
> need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
> ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
> because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
> that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).
>
> So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
> that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
> for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
> seems to be around CAN 1600$.
>
> So here are my specs :
> AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
> MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
> Antec P180 Case
> Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
> 2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
> Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
> LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
> e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
> Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
> One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
> $1389.95
> (notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)
>
> Picture here :
>
http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd
>
> Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...
>
> Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
> feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
> but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
> to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
> something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
> system that can provide as much graphics ?
>
> Thanks for all the input !

1) Have you priced the components out, to see what you are
paying for assembly and test ? Perhaps a local builder
could give you a competitive bid. If the local builder
looks like they won't go bankrupt, you'll have the convenience
of driving to the store to get service for the unit.
(My two favorite local stores have closed.)
2) When the unit is shipped, do they use a custom box with
foam padding to ship the system ? Or do they just use the
box that the computer case came in. An improperly packaged
and shipped product, can receive unnecessary shock and vibration.
The bigger companies doing pre-built systems, will have
spent more time thinking about this. Make sure it is not
shipped by UPS :-)
3) You have a one year part/labor. If a single thing is not working
on the unit, will MemoryExpress insist that the whole
unit be shipped back ? That small detail may determine whether
the warranty is worth anything to you, as the shipping costs
will kill you.
4) The return rate on high end Nvidia video cards is higher
than normal. Some of this is attributed to overclocking
by the video card manufacturer, and some to the use of
crappy RAM. I would research carefully, the reputation of
whoever makes the video card, to see whether they cut
any corners or not. You can use the customer reviews for
products on Newegg, to get some idea how bad this is.
While this is probably not your exact card, this will
give you some ideas: Otherwise the box looks like a
decent upper mid range gamer.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRa...82E16814130028

HTH,
Paul

Great advice!

As far as shipping goes, their shop is right on my way to the job, so
shipping is not an issue.
However,you are scarring me with this whole "new nvidia cards have a
high return rate".
I really did not want to go back to ATI.. but I guess I'll have to shop
around a little bit more.
I'm also interested to know if the cpu might be a bottleneck with such
a high-rated card, same for the ram, do you think I should be getting
DDR2-667+ instead of PC-4200 ?

Thanks again!

Paul wrote:
> In article <1157248592.523005.9440@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
> djisti@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
> > years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
> > BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
> > life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
> > be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.
> >
> > I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
> > need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
> > ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
> > because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
> > that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).
> >
> > So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
> > that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
> > for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
> > seems to be around CAN 1600$.
> >
> > So here are my specs :
> > AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
> > MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
> > Antec P180 Case
> > Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
> > 2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
> > Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
> > LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
> > e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
> > Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
> > One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
> > $1389.95
> > (notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)
> >
> > Picture here :
> >
> http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd
> >
> > Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...
> >
> > Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
> > feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
> > but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
> > to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
> > something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
> > system that can provide as much graphics ?
> >
> > Thanks for all the input !
>
> 1) Have you priced the components out, to see what you are
> paying for assembly and test ? Perhaps a local builder
> could give you a competitive bid. If the local builder
> looks like they won't go bankrupt, you'll have the convenience
> of driving to the store to get service for the unit.
> (My two favorite local stores have closed.)
> 2) When the unit is shipped, do they use a custom box with
> foam padding to ship the system ? Or do they just use the
> box that the computer case came in. An improperly packaged
> and shipped product, can receive unnecessary shock and vibration.
> The bigger companies doing pre-built systems, will have
> spent more time thinking about this. Make sure it is not
> shipped by UPS :-)
> 3) You have a one year part/labor. If a single thing is not working
> on the unit, will MemoryExpress insist that the whole
> unit be shipped back ? That small detail may determine whether
> the warranty is worth anything to you, as the shipping costs
> will kill you.
> 4) The return rate on high end Nvidia video cards is higher
> than normal. Some of this is attributed to overclocking
> by the video card manufacturer, and some to the use of
> crappy RAM. I would research carefully, the reputation of
> whoever makes the video card, to see whether they cut
> any corners or not. You can use the customer reviews for
> products on Newegg, to get some idea how bad this is.
> While this is probably not your exact card, this will
> give you some ideas: Otherwise the box looks like a
> decent upper mid range gamer.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRa...82E16814130028
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Did not know there was different models for the same video card !! Your
reviews on newegg.com really helped me out figure if they put bad or
good videocards in their systems. Seems like I will be lucky. Also
great advice about checking individual parts, I will probably be
customizing my computer to get better DDR2 in there.

My only concern now is to know if that setup will bring me anywhere
close to those benchmarks i see on tomshardware where they use AMD
fx-60/62 processors. Those things are definitely out of price and it's
hard to figure what normal people with normal budget will get out of
these video cards using a mid-range processor (200-300$ processor)...
any clue would be appreciated !

DJINJA.NET wrote:
> Great advice!
>
> As far as shipping goes, their shop is right on my way to the job, so
> shipping is not an issue.
> However,you are scarring me with this whole "new nvidia cards have a
> high return rate".
> I really did not want to go back to ATI.. but I guess I'll have to shop
> around a little bit more.
> I'm also interested to know if the cpu might be a bottleneck with such
> a high-rated card, same for the ram, do you think I should be getting
> DDR2-667+ instead of PC-4200 ?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Paul wrote:
> > In article <1157248592.523005.9440@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>,
> > djisti@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
> > > years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
> > > BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
> > > life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
> > > be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.
> > >
> > > I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
> > > need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
> > > ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
> > > because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
> > > that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).
> > >
> > > So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
> > > that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
> > > for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
> > > seems to be around CAN 1600$.
> > >
> > > So here are my specs :
> > > AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
> > > MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
> > > Antec P180 Case
> > > Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
> > > 2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
> > > Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
> > > LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
> > > e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
> > > Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
> > > One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
> > > $1389.95
> > > (notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)
> > >
> > > Picture here :
> > >
> > http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd
> > >
> > > Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...
> > >
> > > Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
> > > feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
> > > but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
> > > to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
> > > something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
> > > system that can provide as much graphics ?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the input !
> >
> > 1) Have you priced the components out, to see what you are
> > paying for assembly and test ? Perhaps a local builder
> > could give you a competitive bid. If the local builder
> > looks like they won't go bankrupt, you'll have the convenience
> > of driving to the store to get service for the unit.
> > (My two favorite local stores have closed.)
> > 2) When the unit is shipped, do they use a custom box with
> > foam padding to ship the system ? Or do they just use the
> > box that the computer case came in. An improperly packaged
> > and shipped product, can receive unnecessary shock and vibration.
> > The bigger companies doing pre-built systems, will have
> > spent more time thinking about this. Make sure it is not
> > shipped by UPS :-)
> > 3) You have a one year part/labor. If a single thing is not working
> > on the unit, will MemoryExpress insist that the whole
> > unit be shipped back ? That small detail may determine whether
> > the warranty is worth anything to you, as the shipping costs
> > will kill you.
> > 4) The return rate on high end Nvidia video cards is higher
> > than normal. Some of this is attributed to overclocking
> > by the video card manufacturer, and some to the use of
> > crappy RAM. I would research carefully, the reputation of
> > whoever makes the video card, to see whether they cut
> > any corners or not. You can use the customer reviews for
> > products on Newegg, to get some idea how bad this is.
> > While this is probably not your exact card, this will
> > give you some ideas: Otherwise the box looks like a
> > decent upper mid range gamer.
> >
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRa...82E16814130028
> >
> > HTH,
> > Paul

djisti@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
> years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
> BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
> life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
> be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.
>
> I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
> need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
> ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
> because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
> that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).
>
> So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
> that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
> for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
> seems to be around CAN 1600$.
>
> So here are my specs :
> AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
> MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
> Antec P180 Case
> Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
> 2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
> Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
> LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
> e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
> Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
> One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
> $1389.95
> (notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)
>
> Picture here :
> http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd
>
> Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...
>
> Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
> feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
> but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
> to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
> something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
> system that can provide as much graphics ?
>
> Thanks for all the input !
>
You would be very stupid to buy anything other than Intel Core 2 Duo at
the moment for a new computer, they are easily the best bang for the
buck. Even the mid priced e6600 beats an FX-62 and they overclock loads
too, if you wanted to. Other than that it looks ok, I'd say get some 667
or 800 ddr2 if you want to overclock.

Lol yeah so true man

I did a lot of reading this weekend and came to the same conclusion..

My system is definitely a e6300 + DS3 mobo... and here comes the ~1ghz
overclock !


MadFox wrote:
> djisti@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi, I have been disconnected of the hardware industry for the last 3
> > years and I'm ready to throw my computer out the window. I need a new
> > BUDGET gaming machine. I have been playing games pretty much all my
> > life on low quality. Now I want to get a real gaming machine that will
> > be able to handle upcoming games and current ones at great quality.
> >
> > I have been looking into tomshardware vga charts, and feel like I would
> > need a pretty decent video card like 7800gt+. I have been a customer of
> > ATI for pretty much all my life, and now i want to switch to nVidia..
> > because i have been fooled by my last card (radeon 9600 Xtasy -notice
> > that the Xt in xtasy doesn't mean XT).
> >
> > So anyways, I also was deceived by my 2 last builds and want something
> > that will work right out of the box. My initial budget was around 1000$
> > for box + screen, but I've been stretching it all the way to now what
> > seems to be around CAN 1600$.
> >
> > So here are my specs :
> > AMD Athlon64 X2 AM2 4200+
> > MSI K9N SLI Platinum Motherboard
> > Antec P180 Case
> > Enermax 535W/Mushkin 550W Power Supply
> > 2 x 1GB Kingston PC2-4200 DDR2
> > Seagate 250GB SATA II Hard Drive
> > LG 16x16 Dual Layer DVD-Burner
> > e-VGA 7900GT KO 256MB
> > Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet
> > One Year Parts/Labour Warranty
> > $1389.95
> > (notice without windows.. I already have winXp Pro)
> >
> > Picture here :
> > http://www.memoryexpress.com/index.p...&id=11&cpu=amd
> >
> > Also adding a $228.00 DELL UltraSharp 1907FP 19inch LCD...
> >
> > Is that videocard too good for the processor ? is that too many RAM ? I
> > feel like everything is right, I have seen decent systems from MDG.CA
> > but seen a lot of complaints about that store too. Memoryexpress seems
> > to be appreciated by most, so is there anyone that think there is
> > something wrong with that system / Would you recommend a more budgetty
> > system that can provide as much graphics ?
> >
> > Thanks for all the input !
> >
> You would be very stupid to buy anything other than Intel Core 2 Duo at
> the moment for a new computer, they are easily the best bang for the
> buck. Even the mid priced e6600 beats an FX-62 and they overclock loads
> too, if you wanted to. Other than that it looks ok, I'd say get some 667
> or 800 ddr2 if you want to overclock.