>I know the links dont work. *******You have to cut and paste the URL
>into the browser******. About the sound, I have investigated it...I
>cant find the source.
No, I mean they don't work. I don't have to cut and paste
anything, if they worked it would have the last time I'd
tried. I'm not ignorant of what a link is... but just to
give you the benefit of the doubt I cut and pasted into a
brower and... they still don't work.
On Mar 28, 12:13 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2007 19:13:33 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I know the links dont work. *******You have to cut and paste the URL
> >into the browser******. About the sound, I have investigated it...I
> >cant find the source.
>
> No, I mean they don't work. I don't have to cut and paste
> anything, if they worked it would have the last time I'd
> tried. I'm not ignorant of what a link is... but just to
> give you the benefit of the doubt I cut and pasted into a
> brower and... they still don't work.
Sorry to annoy you but its true. It works. Click on the links now.
I've updated the post. Now you will get a "403 Forbidden
You must supply a local referer to get URL from this server." message.
Its because my web server doesnt allow images to be viewed by clicking
on a link. For that reason, you must copy and paste the link into your
browser or if that doesnt work type the link as its shown. If this
still doesn't work (it should, I tried it now that I've updated the
post and it works), try these links:
On Mar 28, 12:13 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2007 19:13:33 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I know the links dont work. *******You have to cut and paste the URL
> >into the browser******. About the sound, I have investigated it...I
> >cant find the source.
>
> No, I mean they don't work. I don't have to cut and paste
> anything, if they worked it would have the last time I'd
> tried. I'm not ignorant of what a link is... but just to
> give you the benefit of the doubt I cut and pasted into a
> brower and... they still don't work.
Sorry to annoy you but its true. It works. Click on the links now.
I've updated the post. Now you will get a "403 Forbidden
You must supply a local referer to get URL from this server." message.
Its because my web server doesnt allow images to be viewed by clicking
on a link. For that reason, you must copy and paste the link into your
browser or if that doesnt work type the link as its shown. If this
still doesn't work (it should, I tried it now that I've updated the
post and it works), tell me, and I will email them to you.
>Sorry to annoy you but its true. It works. Click on the links now.
>I've updated the post. Now you will get a "403 Forbidden
>You must supply a local referer to get URL from this server." message.
>Its because my web server doesnt allow images to be viewed by clicking
>on a link. For that reason, you must copy and paste the link into your
>browser or if that doesnt work type the link as its shown. If this
>still doesn't work (it should, I tried it now that I've updated the
>post and it works), try these links:
They did not work previously doing as you suggested but the
following links do work.
I can't see the finer details, is there ample air intake?
If there is not, flipping the side fan will have more of a
benefit but you ought to also find a way to get more front
intake to cool the HDDs better.
I was also interested in the inside front wall of the case,
directly behind the "front of case" shots you linked above,
since there is a double wall of plastic then metal, there is
a double opportunity for the case to impede airflow.
Some of the pictures are a bit too close and too fuzzy to
get a good idea, but it might also be the dark colors of the
case.
On Mar 28, 4:30 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2007 14:47:28 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 28, 12:13 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> >Sorry to annoy you but its true. It works. Click on the links now.
> >I've updated the post. Now you will get a "403 Forbidden
> >You must supply a local referer to get URL from this server." message.
> >Its because my web server doesnt allow images to be viewed by clicking
> >on a link. For that reason, you must copy and paste the link into your
> >browser or if that doesnt work type the link as its shown. If this
> >still doesn't work (it should, I tried it now that I've updated the
> >post and it works), try these links:
>
> They did not work previously doing as you suggested but the
> following links do work.
>
>
>
> >1)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/back_ventilation1.JPG- Ventilation
> >holes
> >on back of case
> >2)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_fan1.JPG- Case Fan on side (zoomed
> >in)
> >3)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_fan2.JPG- Case Fan on side (zoomed
> >out)
>
> The side fan is installed backwards, BUT while it might help
> to do that, I don't expect it to help enough.
>
> >4)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front1.JPG- Front of case (zoomed
> >out)
> >5)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front2.JPG- Front of case (bottom
> >area)
>
> I can't see the finer details, is there ample air intake?
> If there is not, flipping the side fan will have more of a
> benefit but you ought to also find a way to get more front
> intake to cool the HDDs better.
>
> I was also interested in the inside front wall of the case,
> directly behind the "front of case" shots you linked above,
> since there is a double wall of plastic then metal, there is
> a double opportunity for the case to impede airflow.
>
> Some of the pictures are a bit too close and too fuzzy to
> get a good idea, but it might also be the dark colors of the
> case.
>
> >6)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front3.JPG- Front of case (top
> >area)
> >7)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_side1.JPG- Side of case
> >8)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/cpu_fan1.JPG- CPU Fan
>
> It looks a little bit like it's really clogged with dust?
> That might be the problem.
>
> >9)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/psu_fan1.JPG- Power Supply Fan exhaust
> >(on
> >back of case)
> >10)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/speedfan_readings.JPG- SpeedFan
> >temperature readings
>
> What about a rear case exhaust fan, below the PSU exhaust
> fan? That is recommended by Intel & AMD... and the case
> should have one, ideally.
>
> Overall I would say the case "might" not have very good
> front intake, but mostly it looks like dust in the heatsink
> is to blame.
OK, as a first step, this is what I will do over the weekend: First, I
will open up the case, bundle up the wires a little more neatly, clean
out all the dust, and possibly, install the side fan the correct way.
After, without closing the case I will run the computer to see if the
temperatures are reduced. If they are, I will see if I get the same
results with the side of the case closed. Will it help? Also, I
checked and there is no rear exhaust fan. If cleaning everything
doesn't help, I guess I will have to add some more fans and maybe a
better cooler (Zalman it seems is good) for the CPU. I will report to
you everything I find on Monday (or maybe earlier). thanks for the
help, everyone (especially kony)
>> Overall I would say the case "might" not have very good
>> front intake, but mostly it looks like dust in the heatsink
>> is to blame.
>
>
>OK, as a first step, this is what I will do over the weekend: First, I
>will open up the case, bundle up the wires a little more neatly, clean
>out all the dust, and possibly, install the side fan the correct way.
>After, without closing the case I will run the computer to see if the
>temperatures are reduced. If they are, I will see if I get the same
>results with the side of the case closed. Will it help? Also, I
>checked and there is no rear exhaust fan. If cleaning everything
>doesn't help, I guess I will have to add some more fans and maybe a
>better cooler (Zalman it seems is good) for the CPU. I will report to
>you everything I find on Monday (or maybe earlier). thanks for the
>help, everyone (especially kony)
Bundling wires would be mostly a vanity thing, since you
have the window, as it is not a serious impact on cooling,
nor are parallel ATA cables as some in the past have falsely
assumed (unless they're literally draped overtop of a
heatsink).
Dust, definitely clean it out. Cleaning out the CPU 'sink
is priority #1. If it is as bad as the picture suggested,
that may completely resolve the problem, but even if it
does, I would still consider flipping the side panel fan
around if you feel there is enough front intake to keep the
HDD(s) cool enough, since flipping that fan will impact the
airflow past the drive rack.
A good (better) heatsink would keep the CPU cooler, but the
retail 'sink is sufficient in keeping the CPU significantly
cooler than it is, especially at the (low) room temps you
reported. Replacing the heatsink would be better tailored
to reducing noise, if you felt the retail heatsink was too
loud.
On Mar 28, 8:22 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2007 17:02:33 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >> Overall I would say the case "might" not have very good
> >> front intake, but mostly it looks like dust in the heatsink
> >> is to blame.
>
> >OK, as a first step, this is what I will do over the weekend: First, I
> >will open up the case, bundle up the wires a little more neatly, clean
> >out all the dust, and possibly, install the side fan the correct way.
> >After, without closing the case I will run the computer to see if the
> >temperatures are reduced. If they are, I will see if I get the same
> >results with the side of the case closed. Will it help? Also, I
> >checked and there is no rear exhaust fan. If cleaning everything
> >doesn't help, I guess I will have to add some more fans and maybe a
> >better cooler (Zalman it seems is good) for the CPU. I will report to
> >you everything I find on Monday (or maybe earlier). thanks for the
> >help, everyone (especially kony)
>
> Bundling wires would be mostly a vanity thing, since you
> have the window, as it is not a serious impact on cooling,
> nor are parallel ATA cables as some in the past have falsely
> assumed (unless they're literally draped overtop of a
> heatsink).
>
> Dust, definitely clean it out. Cleaning out the CPU 'sink
> is priority #1. If it is as bad as the picture suggested,
> that may completely resolve the problem, but even if it
> does, I would still consider flipping the side panel fan
> around if you feel there is enough front intake to keep the
> HDD(s) cool enough, since flipping that fan will impact the
> airflow past the drive rack.
>
> A good (better) heatsink would keep the CPU cooler, but the
> retail 'sink is sufficient in keeping the CPU significantly
> cooler than it is, especially at the (low) room temps you
> reported. Replacing the heatsink would be better tailored
> to reducing noise, if you felt the retail heatsink was too
> loud.
I dont think a front intake fan because at the current time, as you
can see in the SpeedFan readings, the HDD is cooler than average, so I
dont think its a problem but I will bundle wires and clean out the
sink as you suggested. Will report back once I have done it.
On Mar 28, 4:30 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2007 14:47:28 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 28, 12:13 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> >Sorry to annoy you but its true. It works. Click on the links now.
> >I've updated the post. Now you will get a "403 Forbidden
> >You must supply a local referer to get URL from this server." message.
> >Its because my web server doesnt allow images to be viewed by clicking
> >on a link. For that reason, you must copy and paste the link into your
> >browser or if that doesnt work type the link as its shown. If this
> >still doesn't work (it should, I tried it now that I've updated the
> >post and it works), try these links:
>
> They did not work previously doing as you suggested but the
> following links do work.
>
>
>
> >1)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/back_ventilation1.JPG- Ventilation
> >holes
> >on back of case
> >2)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_fan1.JPG- Case Fan on side (zoomed
> >in)
> >3)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_fan2.JPG- Case Fan on side (zoomed
> >out)
>
> The side fan is installed backwards, BUT while it might help
> to do that, I don't expect it to help enough.
>
> >4)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front1.JPG- Front of case (zoomed
> >out)
> >5)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front2.JPG- Front of case (bottom
> >area)
>
> I can't see the finer details, is there ample air intake?
> If there is not, flipping the side fan will have more of a
> benefit but you ought to also find a way to get more front
> intake to cool the HDDs better.
>
> I was also interested in the inside front wall of the case,
> directly behind the "front of case" shots you linked above,
> since there is a double wall of plastic then metal, there is
> a double opportunity for the case to impede airflow.
>
> Some of the pictures are a bit too close and too fuzzy to
> get a good idea, but it might also be the dark colors of the
> case.
>
> >6)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_front3.JPG- Front of case (top
> >area)
> >7)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/case_side1.JPG- Side of case
> >8)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/cpu_fan1.JPG- CPU Fan
>
> It looks a little bit like it's really clogged with dust?
> That might be the problem.
>
> >9)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/psu_fan1.JPG- Power Supply Fan exhaust
> >(on
> >back of case)
> >10)http://pcwiz.50webs.com/pc/speedfan_readings.JPG- SpeedFan
> >temperature readings
>
> What about a rear case exhaust fan, below the PSU exhaust
> fan? That is recommended by Intel & AMD... and the case
> should have one, ideally.
>
> Overall I would say the case "might" not have very good
> front intake, but mostly it looks like dust in the heatsink
> is to blame.
Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
just attach it normally without doing anything?
>I dont think a front intake fan because at the current time, as you
>can see in the SpeedFan readings, the HDD is cooler than average, so I
>dont think its a problem but I will bundle wires and clean out the
>sink as you suggested. Will report back once I have done it.
That may be true, but a HDD temp reading is only of one
place on the HDD, not the rest of it.
> Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
>it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
>just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
>Thanks
Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
> >Thanks
>
> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
On Mar 29, 2:41 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
> > >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
> > >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
> > >Thanks
>
> > Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
> I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
> coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
> the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
Also, I read the instruction manual for the motherboard...It says that
you only need thermal compound if you purchased a (quote) "seperate
CPU heatsink and fan assembly". Also, in the Intel CPU installation
guide, it never says that thermal compound is to be applied. Knowing
this, perhaps the company who assembled the computer didn't put
thermal compound on the CPU in the first place. In that case, do I
still apply thermal compound OR can I just screw the heatsink back on,
as usual?
<happymac.support@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175204514.254800.108720@p15g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
>> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
>> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>>
>> >Thanks
>>
>> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
>
> I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
> coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
> the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
>
Best way I've found is to take a new coffee filter ( lintless paper ) and
use isopropyl alcohol to wipe the goop off both the cpu and the heatsink.
>On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
>> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
>> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>>
>> >Thanks
>>
>> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
>
>I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
>coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
>the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
How do you want to?
Probably easiest to just grab a paper towel and a petroluem
based solvent. Sometimes hardened crud requires soaking a
while with the saturated paper towel on top, or try scraping
the bulk of it off with a plastic (credit-card like) card
before finishing with the solvent.
It has to be taken off both, it will be obvious when you see
them. Apply a grain of rice sized blob to the center of the
CPU only.
>On Mar 29, 2:41 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
>> > >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
>> > >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>>
>> > >Thanks
>>
>> > Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>>
>> I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
>> coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
>> the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
>
>
>Also, I read the instruction manual for the motherboard...It says that
>you only need thermal compound if you purchased a (quote) "seperate
>CPU heatsink and fan assembly".
Yes, or if you take the original heatsink off, because the
original thermal interface material melts and hardens, it
can't be reused.
>Also, in the Intel CPU installation
>guide, it never says that thermal compound is to be applied. Knowing
>this, perhaps the company who assembled the computer didn't put
>thermal compound on the CPU in the first place. In that case, do I
>still apply thermal compound OR can I just screw the heatsink back on,
>as usual?
I meant what I wrote already, use thermal compound. There
is no situation where you will not want the old cleaned off
and fresh applied. When a new heatsink has it pre-applied,
it is then unnecessary to add _more_ because it already had
some, but must be replaced if heatsink is taken off later.
On Mar 29, 3:51 pm, "Vic Baron" <vgba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <happymac.supp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175204514.254800.108720@p15g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
> >> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
> >> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
> >> >Thanks
>
> >> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
> > I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
> > coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
> > the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
>
> Best way I've found is to take a new coffee filter ( lintless paper ) and
> use isopropyl alcohol to wipe the goop off both the cpu and the heatsink.
>
> trywww.arcticsilver.comfor some good info on applying thermal compound
> etc.
Thanks Vic. Arctic Silver seems like the best thermal compound right
now. So I just wanted to know where I can buy arctic silver in CANADA.
On Mar 29, 3:57 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2007 14:41:54 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
> >> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
> >> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
> >> >Thanks
>
> >> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
> >I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
> >coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
> >the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
>
> How do you want to?
>
> Probably easiest to just grab a paper towel and a petroluem
> based solvent. Sometimes hardened crud requires soaking a
> while with the saturated paper towel on top, or try scraping
> the bulk of it off with a plastic (credit-card like) card
> before finishing with the solvent.
>
> It has to be taken off both, it will be obvious when you see
> them. Apply a grain of rice sized blob to the center of the
> CPU only.
Is it actually OK to soak paper towels with water and put it on the
CPU? As I said in the previous post:
>>Also, I read the instruction manual for the motherboard...It says that
>>you only need thermal compound if you purchased a (quote) "seperate
>>CPU heatsink and fan assembly". Also, in the Intel CPU installation
>>guide, it never says that thermal compound is to be applied. Knowing
>>this, perhaps the company who assembled the computer didn't put
>>thermal compound on the CPU in the first place. In that case, do I
>>still apply thermal compound OR can I just screw the heatsink back on,
>>as usual?
So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
On Mar 29, 4:05 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 29, 3:57 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 29 Mar 2007 14:41:54 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Mar 28, 8:55 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> > >> On 28 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> > Oh and another question, if I remove the heat sink, when I reattach
> > >> >it will I have to apply another coat of thermal compound, or can I
> > >> >just attach it normally without doing anything?
>
> > >> >Thanks
>
> > >> Yes, you have to clean off the original and apply new.
>
> > >I've never really done this so....How do you clean of the original
> > >coat? do you clean it off of the CPU or the heatsink? Do you appyly
> > >the new coat on the CPU or on the bottom of the heatsink?
>
> > How do you want to?
>
> > Probably easiest to just grab a paper towel and a petroluem
> > based solvent. Sometimes hardened crud requires soaking a
> > while with the saturated paper towel on top, or try scraping
> > the bulk of it off with a plastic (credit-card like) card
> > before finishing with the solvent.
>
> > It has to be taken off both, it will be obvious when you see
> > them. Apply a grain of rice sized blob to the center of the
> > CPU only.
>
> Is it actually OK to soak paper towels with water and put it on the
> CPU? As I said in the previous post:
>
> >>Also, I read the instruction manual for the motherboard...It says that
> >>you only need thermal compound if you purchased a (quote) "seperate
> >>CPU heatsink and fan assembly". Also, in the Intel CPU installation
> >>guide, it never says that thermal compound is to be applied. Knowing
> >>this, perhaps the company who assembled the computer didn't put
> >>thermal compound on the CPU in the first place. In that case, do I
> >>still apply thermal compound OR can I just screw the heatsink back on,
> >>as usual?
>
> So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
> still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
Oh, and also, do I just put a little glob in the middle, or do I
spread it on the CPU like peanut butter (its what most people seem to
do)
On Mar 29, 4:15 pm, "Noozer" <dont.s...@me.here> wrote:
> >> So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
> >> still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
>
> You NEED the compound, be it a paste or a pad. If there is none now then
> someone didn't do their job.
>
> > Oh, and also, do I just put a little glob in the middle, or do I
> > spread it on the CPU like peanut butter (its what most people seem to
> > do)
>
> Rice sized blob on the CPU only. You want it as THIN as possible.
Thanks. I know about the rice-size blob but my question is: do I put
the rice size blob in the middle and spread it on the CPU OR do I just
put the blob there and and put the heatsink over it?
On Mar 29, 4:19 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 29, 4:15 pm, "Noozer" <dont.s...@me.here> wrote:
>
> > >> So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
> > >> still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
>
> > You NEED the compound, be it a paste or a pad. If there is none now then
> > someone didn't do their job.
>
> > > Oh, and also, do I just put a little glob in the middle, or do I
> > > spread it on the CPU like peanut butter (its what most people seem to
> > > do)
>
> > Rice sized blob on the CPU only. You want it as THIN as possible.
>
> Thanks. I know about the rice-size blob but my question is: do I put
> the rice size blob in the middle and spread it on the CPU OR do I just
> put the blob there and and put the heatsink over it?
I saw on this site: http://www.heatsink-guide.com/maxtemp.htm in the
Cooling FAQ section (click the link on the navigation bar to the left)
that to clear dust, you can just vacuum clean the dust right out of
the CPU. here is the exact text on the site:
"The first step is to check the CPU fan, the air intakes of your case,
and all case fans for accumulated dust. With PCs that have been
running for many months, and thus have become dusty on the inside,
removing dust alone can bring down temperatures drastically. Use a
vacuum cleaner (while the PC is turned off, of course). When you
approach the vacuum cleaner to CPU or case fans, it will cause them to
spin - no problem, they won't be damaged if that happens."
If this is true, it would make doing this a lot easier for me. Infact,
is this was true, I could do the job right now!
On Mar 29, 5:11 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 29, 4:19 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 4:15 pm, "Noozer" <dont.s...@me.here> wrote:
>
> > > >> So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
> > > >> still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
>
> > > You NEED the compound, be it a paste or a pad. If there is none now then
> > > someone didn't do their job.
>
> > > > Oh, and also, do I just put a little glob in the middle, or do I
> > > > spread it on the CPU like peanut butter (its what most people seem to
> > > > do)
>
> > > Rice sized blob on the CPU only. You want it as THIN as possible.
>
> > Thanks. I know about the rice-size blob but my question is: do I put
> > the rice size blob in the middle and spread it on the CPU OR do I just
> > put the blob there and and put the heatsink over it?
>
> I saw on this site:http://www.heatsink-guide.com/maxtemp.htmin the
> Cooling FAQ section (click the link on the navigation bar to the left)
> that to clear dust, you can just vacuum clean the dust right out of
> the CPU. here is the exact text on the site:
>
> "The first step is to check the CPU fan, the air intakes of your case,
> and all case fans for accumulated dust. With PCs that have been
> running for many months, and thus have become dusty on the inside,
> removing dust alone can bring down temperatures drastically. Use a
> vacuum cleaner (while the PC is turned off, of course). When you
> approach the vacuum cleaner to CPU or case fans, it will cause them to
> spin - no problem, they won't be damaged if that happens."
>
> If this is true, it would make doing this a lot easier for me. Infact,
> is this was true, I could do the job right now!
That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
>
>That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
>take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
>not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
At this point I advise you to just take the system to a shop
to have all work done. None of this thread was necessary,
anyone can look at a dusty 'sink and see there is a problem
and figure out a way to get the dust out.
>Is it actually OK to soak paper towels with water and put it on the
>CPU? As I said in the previous post:
>
No, I already described it and that was not using water. No
thermal grease or material is water-soluble.
>
>So IF no thermal compound was applied in the first place, then do I
>still apply a coat, or can I just screw the heatsink back on?
There is no heatsink installation done properly that does
not have thermal interface material of some sort. If it was
installed that way it was done wrong and the system seller
should be avoided. I already wrote, USE THERMAL COMPOUND.
Please pay attention. There is no further "what if"
scenario. What was written is complete.
>> > Thanks. I know about the rice-size blob but my question is: do I put
>> > the rice size blob in the middle and spread it on the CPU OR do I just
>> > put the blob there and and put the heatsink over it?
Blob and let the heatsink do the work. You could be anal and use a credit
card or stiff paper to try and spread it on the CPU as thin as possible if
you like (I do).
>> I saw on this site:http://www.heatsink-guide.com/maxtemp.htmin the
>> Cooling FAQ section (click the link on the navigation bar to the left)
>> that to clear dust, you can just vacuum clean the dust right out of
>> the CPU. here is the exact text on the site:
Vacuums are generally a no-no inside a PC as they generate static
electricity moreso than compressed air.
I'd spend the $5-$10 for a can of air and take the PC outside and blast the
innards of the PSU and whatever fans I could get to. Remember NOT to shake
the can or turn it upside down while you're using it... and it will get
COLD, so don't freeze your fingers.
>> If this is true, it would make doing this a lot easier for me. Infact,
>> is this was true, I could do the job right now!
Better than nothing, but I'd avoid it.
> That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
> take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
> not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
On Mar 30, 7:56 am, "Noozer" <dont.s...@me.here> wrote:
> >> > Thanks. I know about the rice-size blob but my question is: do I put
> >> > the rice size blob in the middle and spread it on the CPU OR do I just
> >> > put the blob there and and put the heatsink over it?
>
> Blob and let the heatsink do the work. You could be anal and use a credit
> card or stiff paper to try and spread it on the CPU as thin as possible if
> you like (I do).
>
> >> I saw on this site:http://www.heatsink-guide.com/maxtemp.htminthe
> >> Cooling FAQ section (click the link on the navigation bar to the left)
> >> that to clear dust, you can just vacuum clean the dust right out of
> >> the CPU. here is the exact text on the site:
>
> Vacuums are generally a no-no inside a PC as they generate static
> electricity moreso than compressed air.
>
> I'd spend the $5-$10 for a can of air and take the PC outside and blast the
> innards of the PSU and whatever fans I could get to. Remember NOT to shake
> the can or turn it upside down while you're using it... and it will get
> COLD, so don't freeze your fingers.
>
> >> If this is true, it would make doing this a lot easier for me. Infact,
> >> is this was true, I could do the job right now!
>
> Better than nothing, but I'd avoid it.
>
> > That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
> > take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
> > not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
Of course, I am planning to use a compressed air can too, but the
vacuum is just to make it easier. By the way, I am not putting a
vacuum unit inside the computer, I am just getting a tube and
connecting it to the vacuum cleaner, so the only part that actually
goes anywhere near the PC is the plastic tube.
>> > That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
>> > take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
>> > not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
>
>Of course, I am planning to use a compressed air can too, but the
>vacuum is just to make it easier. By the way, I am not putting a
>vacuum unit inside the computer, I am just getting a tube and
>connecting it to the vacuum cleaner, so the only part that actually
>goes anywhere near the PC is the plastic tube.
That does not eliminate the static electricity from the high
velocity air or movement of dust. However, people have done
it and not suffered any ill effects so it is your chance to
take.
The safer method is to use a brush with anti-static
bristles. If you don't have such a brush, any old
paintbrush would work, as you're not brushing on circuits,
only on heatsink fins. Take the fan off and brush the dust
out gently. It is doubtful a gentle vacumming would get as
much out without taking the fan off.
On Mar 30, 4:09 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 30 Mar 2007 15:20:23 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >> > That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
> >> > take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
> >> > not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
>
> >Of course, I am planning to use a compressed air can too, but the
> >vacuum is just to make it easier. By the way, I am not putting a
> >vacuum unit inside the computer, I am just getting a tube and
> >connecting it to the vacuum cleaner, so the only part that actually
> >goes anywhere near the PC is the plastic tube.
>
> That does not eliminate the static electricity from the high
> velocity air or movement of dust. However, people have done
> it and not suffered any ill effects so it is your chance to
> take.
>
> The safer method is to use a brush with anti-static
> bristles. If you don't have such a brush, any old
> paintbrush would work, as you're not brushing on circuits,
> only on heatsink fins. Take the fan off and brush the dust
> out gently. It is doubtful a gentle vacumming would get as
> much out without taking the fan off.
Thanks kony. I will use compressed air and a vacuum for the parts I
cant do with compressed air.
On Mar 30, 5:09 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 30, 4:09 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 30 Mar 2007 15:20:23 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >> > That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
> > >> > take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
> > >> > not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
>
> > >Of course, I am planning to use a compressed air can too, but the
> > >vacuum is just to make it easier. By the way, I am not putting a
> > >vacuum unit inside the computer, I am just getting a tube and
> > >connecting it to the vacuum cleaner, so the only part that actually
> > >goes anywhere near the PC is the plastic tube.
>
> > That does not eliminate the static electricity from the high
> > velocity air or movement of dust. However, people have done
> > it and not suffered any ill effects so it is your chance to
> > take.
>
> > The safer method is to use a brush with anti-static
> > bristles. If you don't have such a brush, any old
> > paintbrush would work, as you're not brushing on circuits,
> > only on heatsink fins. Take the fan off and brush the dust
> > out gently. It is doubtful a gentle vacumming would get as
> > much out without taking the fan off.
>
> Thanks kony. I will use compressed air and a vacuum for the parts I
> cant do with compressed air.
Ok, I cleaned out the computer. Now, the computer is around 45C at
idle and not matter what I'm doing, it doesnt go over 52C. The fan RPM
also stays around 1800RPM. Is this stable?
On Mar 31, 8:55 am, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 30, 5:09 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 4:09 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 30 Mar 2007 15:20:23 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >> > That is to say, If I can just use a vacuum cleaner, I wont have to
> > > >> > take the heat sink off! Of course, if vacuum cleaning the dust does
> > > >> > not lower temperatures, I guess I will have to take the heatsink off :(
>
> > > >Of course, I am planning to use a compressed air can too, but the
> > > >vacuum is just to make it easier. By the way, I am not putting a
> > > >vacuum unit inside the computer, I am just getting a tube and
> > > >connecting it to the vacuum cleaner, so the only part that actually
> > > >goes anywhere near the PC is the plastic tube.
>
> > > That does not eliminate the static electricity from the high
> > > velocity air or movement of dust. However, people have done
> > > it and not suffered any ill effects so it is your chance to
> > > take.
>
> > > The safer method is to use a brush with anti-static
> > > bristles. If you don't have such a brush, any old
> > > paintbrush would work, as you're not brushing on circuits,
> > > only on heatsink fins. Take the fan off and brush the dust
> > > out gently. It is doubtful a gentle vacumming would get as
> > > much out without taking the fan off.
>
> > Thanks kony. I will use compressed air and a vacuum for the parts I
> > cant do with compressed air.
>
> Ok, I cleaned out the computer. Now, the computer is around 45C at
> idle and not matter what I'm doing, it doesnt go over 52C. The fan RPM
> also stays around 1800RPM. Is this stable?
>
> Thanks for all your help
Thanks again. I have noticed now that the machine is so quiet. Before,
I could hear it like a jet engine 4 rooms away. Now I cant even tell
that its running. I also noticed that the processor is so much faster
and smoother with intensive 3D games now. (By the way, the motherboard
temperature only changed by 2 degrees. Now its 39C, but according to
SpeedFan, 39C is perfectly normal). Also, you know that "Ventiliation
holes on back of case" pic I uploaded. Those holes are actually
exhaust for an extra fan that can be added. There are 4 holes on the
corners to screw in another fan. I will add a rear case fan if needed
later.
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