Is the CPU too hot?

Hi,

My computer specs are as follows:

OSes: Windows XP Pro
Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
USB: 4x USB 2.0
Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit

I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
(after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?

Thanks

<happymac.support@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174663729.265240.35280@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi,
>
> My computer specs are as follows:
>
> OSes: Windows XP Pro
> Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
> Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
> Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
> RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
> Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
> Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
> USB: 4x USB 2.0
> Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
> Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
> I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
> (after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
> around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
> not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
> 75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
> temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
> temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
> chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?

Sounds pretty hot to me. The processor will throttle itself if it gets too
hot, so you shouldn't damage the processor running it this hot, but you will
shorten its lifetime! Have a read through this:

http://www.heatsink-guide.com/maxtemp.htm

Open the case and clear all the dust and debris fromt he CPU heatsink. Its
also worth running with the side off your case for a while to see if the air
temperature inside the case is pushing the CPU temperature up. If running
for a while with the side off makes the CPU cooler, then you need some case
fans, or better air flow through your case.

On 23 Mar 2007 08:28:49 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>My computer specs are as follows:
>
>OSes: Windows XP Pro
>Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
>Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
>Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
>RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
>Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
>Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
>USB: 4x USB 2.0
>Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
>Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
>I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
>(after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
>around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
>not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
>75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
>temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
>temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
>chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?


That's too hot. Was it always that hot? If not what has
changed since then? I'm wondering if it's time to clean out
the dust from heatsink or case intake/exhaust areas, or if
you have a fan failing-or-failed-already.

Higher room temps could account for a rise too but most
people have rooms climate controlled enough to not
experience so much of a change to see the temp go from
otherwise low enough to this high.

If you had installed the heatsink right before this, I'd
wonder if it was installed properly. If it has been a long
time and you used silicone based heatsink grease, I'd wonder
if that had dried up and left poor interface. If it is the
original thermal interface material and you remove the
heatsink you would need to then clean it off and apply
grease to remount it, the original thermal material can't be
reused after it has melted upon first installation and
subsequent running of system.

An acceptible solution would have the system running no
hotter than 65C when at full load for an extended period of
time (say over 30 minutes) while the room temp is at the
highest level you expect year-'round. If that room temp is
not reasonably attainable at the moment, additively factor
for it. For example if CPU was at 70C and room is expected
to be 10C hotter in summer because of no air conditioning,
expect 80C at some time.

Full load is produced running an app stressful to the CPU.
A linear job heavy on computational power like video
encoding might come close enough, but the more common test
is Prime95's Torture Test, it's Large In-Place FFTs,
setting. The above "acceptible solution" is not the ideal,
ideally you would have the CPU a bit cooler than 65C in that
test, but no extra effort might be warranted if it's already
at 55C or below. In those ranges, also consider whether CPU
was hot due to poor case ventilation and if it was, whether
that state of case ventilation is contributing to other
system parts running at similarly high temp levels.

Ultimately without seeing the system or knowing it's history
we can't be certain of the cause. More info may help, or
you may take each part of the cooling subsystem in turn and
scrutinize it while system is off & open.

On Mar 23, 9:19 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2007 08:28:49 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Hi,
>
> >My computer specs are as follows:
>
> >OSes: Windows XP Pro
> >Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
> >Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
> >Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
> >RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
> >Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
> >Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
> >USB: 4x USB 2.0
> >Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
> >Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
> >I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
> >(after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
> >around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
> >not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
> >75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
> >temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
> >temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
> >chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?
>
> That's too hot. Was it always that hot? If not what has
> changed since then? I'm wondering if it's time to clean out
> the dust from heatsink or case intake/exhaust areas, or if
> you have a fan failing-or-failed-already.
>
> Higher room temps could account for a rise too but most
> people have rooms climate controlled enough to not
> experience so much of a change to see the temp go from
> otherwise low enough to this high.
>
> If you had installed the heatsink right before this, I'd
> wonder if it was installed properly. If it has been a long
> time and you used silicone based heatsink grease, I'd wonder
> if that had dried up and left poor interface. If it is the
> original thermal interface material and you remove the
> heatsink you would need to then clean it off and apply
> grease to remount it, the original thermal material can't be
> reused after it has melted upon first installation and
> subsequent running of system.
>
> An acceptible solution would have the system running no
> hotter than 65C when at full load for an extended period of
> time (say over 30 minutes) while the room temp is at the
> highest level you expect year-'round. If that room temp is
> not reasonably attainable at the moment, additively factor
> for it. For example if CPU was at 70C and room is expected
> to be 10C hotter in summer because of no air conditioning,
> expect 80C at some time.
>
> Full load is produced running an app stressful to the CPU.
> A linear job heavy on computational power like video
> encoding might come close enough, but the more common test
> is Prime95's Torture Test, it's Large In-Place FFTs,
> setting. The above "acceptible solution" is not the ideal,
> ideally you would have the CPU a bit cooler than 65C in that
> test, but no extra effort might be warranted if it's already
> at 55C or below. In those ranges, also consider whether CPU
> was hot due to poor case ventilation and if it was, whether
> that state of case ventilation is contributing to other
> system parts running at similarly high temp levels.
>
> Ultimately without seeing the system or knowing it's history
> we can't be certain of the cause. More info may help, or
> you may take each part of the cooling subsystem in turn and
> scrutinize it while system is off & open.


Thanks for the replies. I got the system custom-built from a computer
shop. Its been about 7 months since I got it. Since I have a see-
through case, I checked the inside and the CPU fan. There is barely
any dust. This is the current status of the fans:

Power Supply Fan: OK
GPU Fan: OK
CPU Fan (stock Intel): OK
Chassis Fan: OK

I felt the air that was coming out of the chassis fan and it was just
barely more than room temperature (around 25C, I estimated) I think
its always been this hot, I just noticed it now. Do you think I should
use a different utility to check the temperature? By the way, I
checked the motherboard temprature too. No matter what i do, the
motherboard temperature is always 40C - 42C, and I also checked the
RPM for the CPU fan, it always varies from 4000RPM - 4150RPM.

happymac.support@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I got the system custom-built from a computer
> shop. Its been about 7 months since I got it. Since I have a see-
> through case, I checked the inside and the CPU fan. There is barely
> any dust. This is the current status of the fans:
>
> Power Supply Fan: OK
> GPU Fan: OK
> CPU Fan (stock Intel): OK
> Chassis Fan: OK
>
> I felt the air that was coming out of the chassis fan and it was just
> barely more than room temperature (around 25C, I estimated) I think
> its always been this hot, I just noticed it now. Do you think I should
> use a different utility to check the temperature? By the way, I
> checked the motherboard temprature too. No matter what i do, the
> motherboard temperature is always 40C - 42C, and I also checked the
> RPM for the CPU fan, it always varies from 4000RPM - 4150RPM.
>

The system is, overall, running at the top end of acceptable parameters.
The motherboard temperature indicates that there is insufficient airflow
through the computer case and this, in turn, is keeping the CPU temp high.
Just how many chassis fans are there? For a Pentium D, there should be at
least 1 intake fan from the front, 1 intake fan from the side over the
CPU heatsink/fan, 1 exhaust fan out the back plus an exhausting PSU fan
for a total of at least 5 fans. Also, the cable routing benefits the best
airflow.

For comparison's sake, we set up Pentium D 950's in tower cases with 8
fans, resulting in idle temps of 25° C at the motherboard and 45° C at
the CPU. Yes, the Pentium D's do run hot.

On Mar 23, 1:12 pm, Ghostrider <-...@fitron.142> wrote:
> happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Thanks for the replies. I got the system custom-built from a computer
> > shop. Its been about 7 months since I got it. Since I have a see-
> > through case, I checked the inside and the CPU fan. There is barely
> > any dust. This is the current status of the fans:
>
> > Power Supply Fan: OK
> > GPU Fan: OK
> > CPU Fan (stock Intel): OK
> > Chassis Fan: OK
>
> > I felt the air that was coming out of the chassis fan and it was just
> > barely more than room temperature (around 25C, I estimated) I think
> > its always been this hot, I just noticed it now. Do you think I should
> > use a different utility to check the temperature? By the way, I
> > checked the motherboard temprature too. No matter what i do, the
> > motherboard temperature is always 40C - 42C, and I also checked the
> > RPM for the CPU fan, it always varies from 4000RPM - 4150RPM.
>
> The system is, overall, running at the top end of acceptable parameters.
> The motherboard temperature indicates that there is insufficient airflow
> through the computer case and this, in turn, is keeping the CPU temp high.
> Just how many chassis fans are there? For a Pentium D, there should be at
> least 1 intake fan from the front, 1 intake fan from the side over the
> CPU heatsink/fan, 1 exhaust fan out the back plus an exhausting PSU fan
> for a total of at least 5 fans. Also, the cable routing benefits the best
> airflow.
>
> For comparison's sake, we set up Pentium D 950's in tower cases with 8
> fans, resulting in idle temps of 25° C at the motherboard and 45° C at
> the CPU. Yes, the Pentium D's do run hot.


I have 3 fans (maybe 4, not sure)

The thermal MAXIMUM limit of operation of that CPU is 70 C. You are
destroying it by running it at 81 C - 86 C. You need a better heavy duty
cooling fan on it.

--

DaveW

___________
<happymac.support@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174663729.265240.35280@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi,
>
> My computer specs are as follows:
>
> OSes: Windows XP Pro
> Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
> Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
> Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
> RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
> Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
> Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
> USB: 4x USB 2.0
> Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
> Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
> I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
> (after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
> around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
> not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
> 75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
> temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
> temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
> chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?
>
> Thanks
>

On Mar 23, 3:32 pm, "DaveW" <vorg...@rumba.org> wrote:
> The thermal MAXIMUM limit of operation of that CPU is 70 C. You are
> destroying it by running it at 81 C - 86 C. You need a better heavy duty
> cooling fan on it.
>
> --
>
> DaveW
>
> ___________<happymac.supp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174663729.265240.35280@b75g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > My computer specs are as follows:
>
> > OSes: Windows XP Pro
> > Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
> > Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
> > Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
> > RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
> > Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
> > Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
> > USB: 4x USB 2.0
> > Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
> > Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
> > I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
> > (after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
> > around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
> > not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
> > 75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
> > temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
> > temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
> > chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?
>
> > Thanks


I've heard that ASUS PC Probe II (the program I am using to measure
temperature) is too high by 10 degrees. Is it true? Its what most
people are saying in the forums. The links are:

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t33047.html

http://www.ocforums.com/archive/index.php/t-76422.html

http://www.tweaktown.com/forums/arch...hp/t-2070.html

On Mar 24, 10:52 am, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 23, 3:32 pm, "DaveW" <vorg...@rumba.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The thermal MAXIMUM limit of operation of that CPU is 70 C. You are
> > destroying it by running it at 81 C - 86 C. You need a better heavy duty
> > cooling fan on it.
>
> > --
>
> > DaveW
>
> > ___________<happymac.supp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1174663729.265240.35280@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > My computer specs are as follows:
>
> > > OSes: Windows XP Pro
> > > Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
> > > Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
> > > Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
> > > RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
> > > Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
> > > Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
> > > USB: 4x USB 2.0
> > > Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
> > > Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>
> > > I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
> > > (after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
> > > around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
> > > not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
> > > 75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
> > > temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
> > > temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
> > > chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> I've heard that ASUS PC Probe II (the program I am using to measure
> temperature) is too high by 10 degrees. Is it true? Its what most
> people are saying in the forums. The links are:
>
> http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t33047.html
>
> http://www.ocforums.com/archive/index.php/t-76422.html
>
> http://www.tweaktown.com/forums/arch...hp/t-2070.html


Also, Is 4100 RPM enought speed for the fan. Do I have to make my fans
go faster? If so, how?

On 23 Mar 2007 09:43:30 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:


>Thanks for the replies. I got the system custom-built from a computer
>shop. Its been about 7 months since I got it.


What case? Is that case's ventilation system mostly
obsttructed by grills made of mostly blocking, stamped-out
holes in the case wall?

What temps were the system when new?
I'm wondering if the temps have risen, you dont quite say
why you now wonder about them.


>Since I have a see-
>through case, I checked the inside and the CPU fan. There is barely
>any dust. This is the current status of the fans:
>
>Power Supply Fan: OK
>GPU Fan: OK
>CPU Fan (stock Intel): OK
>Chassis Fan: OK
>
>I felt the air that was coming out of the chassis fan and it was just
>barely more than room temperature (around 25C, I estimated) I think
>its always been this hot, I just noticed it now. Do you think I should
>use a different utility to check the temperature? By the way, I
>checked the motherboard temprature too. No matter what i do, the
>motherboard temperature is always 40C - 42C, and I also checked the
>RPM for the CPU fan, it always varies from 4000RPM - 4150RPM.

take the case side-panel off, point a desk fan at it and see
if it reduce temps much. If only a small single-digit # of
degrees, you probably need to replace or at least remount
(with fresh thermal compound, after cleaning off the
original) the heatsink. If temps change more than that, you
may have dust in the case intake or exhaust areas or need
better case cooling - but we can't be sure of this since it
would depend on what has changed since it was new, but your
reported temps are an indication it has poor cooling.

Compare the temp report you see to the one in the bios
health/hardware monitor page. Sometimes a bios update may
fine-tune these temps more, you might check Asus website for
such a bios and notes describing whether there is any such
problem with reported temps or at least an improvement in
accuracy of reporting.

On Mar 24, 12:18 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2007 09:43:30 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the replies. I got the system custom-built from a computer
> >shop. Its been about 7 months since I got it.
>
> What case? Is that case's ventilation system mostly
> obsttructed by grills made of mostly blocking, stamped-out
> holes in the case wall?
>
> What temps were the system when new?
> I'm wondering if the temps have risen, you dont quite say
> why you now wonder about them.
>
>
>
> >Since I have a see-
> >through case, I checked the inside and the CPU fan. There is barely
> >any dust. This is the current status of the fans:
>
> >Power Supply Fan: OK
> >GPU Fan: OK
> >CPU Fan (stock Intel): OK
> >Chassis Fan: OK
>
> >I felt the air that was coming out of the chassis fan and it was just
> >barely more than room temperature (around 25C, I estimated) I think
> >its always been this hot, I just noticed it now. Do you think I should
> >use a different utility to check the temperature? By the way, I
> >checked the motherboard temprature too. No matter what i do, the
> >motherboard temperature is always 40C - 42C, and I also checked the
> >RPM for the CPU fan, it always varies from 4000RPM - 4150RPM.
>
> take the case side-panel off, point a desk fan at it and see
> if it reduce temps much. If only a small single-digit # of
> degrees, you probably need to replace or at least remount
> (with fresh thermal compound, after cleaning off the
> original) the heatsink. If temps change more than that, you
> may have dust in the case intake or exhaust areas or need
> better case cooling - but we can't be sure of this since it
> would depend on what has changed since it was new, but your
> reported temps are an indication it has poor cooling.
>
> Compare the temp report you see to the one in the bios
> health/hardware monitor page. Sometimes a bios update may
> fine-tune these temps more, you might check Asus website for
> such a bios and notes describing whether there is any such
> problem with reported temps or at least an improvement in
> accuracy of reporting.


I dont know the temps when new. I just noticed the temperatures in
ASUS PC probe now. The case has ventilation holes on the rear and a
fan exhaust (about a 3 inch diameter hole with a small wire mesh
covering it) on one side of the case. i have not had any problems with
performance except for a lock-up about once in 3 months when doing
processor intensive tasks, even though pc probe occasionally warns
about high temperatures. i have noticed something though. Before from
when I got the sytem to 3 months ago there was a sound of something (i
am assuming its a fan) that revved up and down. Now, the fan noise is
consistent and stays the same. Maybe, just maybe the system was a bit
louder before. Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
full capacity without any damage to the system?

happymac.support@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mar 23, 8:28 am, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> My computer specs are as follows:
>>
>> OSes: Windows XP Pro
>> Motherboard: ASUS P5ND2-SLI
>> Processor: Intel Pentium D 830 3.0GHz (not overclocked)
>> Hard Drive: 250GB SATA
>> RAM: 2x 512MB DDR 667MHz
>> Video Card: ATI Radeon X1300 PRO
>> Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-110D DVD-RW
>> USB: 4x USB 2.0
>> Sound Card: 7.1 Channel
>> Ethernet Adapter: Intel 10/100/1000 Gigabit
>>
>> I dont know but I think my Pentium D 830 is too hot. Upon startup
>> (after being left off for about 10 hours), the CPU temperature is
>> around 45C (celsius) and steadily rises to about 70C. Even when I'm
>> not doing anything on the computer the temperature varies from 70C -
>> 75C. When I am doing stuff, playing games, browsing the net, etc. the
>> temperature is around 75C - 81C. When I am doing big multitasking, the
>> temperature varies from 81C -86C. Is this normal? I know Pentium D
>> chips are hot but are they supposed to be this hot?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> Oh, by the way the program I used the check the temperatures was ASUS
> PC Probe II. Its a program that comes with the motherboard.


have you checked the temp in the bios and does it has a temperature control
where you can set the temperature for pc shutdown if it reaches the set
temp.

On 24 Mar 2007 17:56:09 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:

>Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
>full capacity without any damage to the system?

Yes, though if they're poor quality fans it is possible that
might reduce their lifespan below that of the rest of the
system's (viable) lifespan so replacement might be required
some futureyear (interval depending on how good the fans
are).

The fan control is either in the bios or a software you are
running.

On Mar 25, 4:19 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2007 17:56:09 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
> >full capacity without any damage to the system?
>
> Yes, though if they're poor quality fans it is possible that
> might reduce their lifespan below that of the rest of the
> system's (viable) lifespan so replacement might be required
> some futureyear (interval depending on how good the fans
> are).
>
> The fan control is either in the bios or a software you are
> running.


If the system keeps running at these temperatures, how long do you
think the cpu will last?

On 25 Mar 2007 09:55:11 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Mar 25, 4:19 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>> On 24 Mar 2007 17:56:09 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
>> >full capacity without any damage to the system?
>>
>> Yes, though if they're poor quality fans it is possible that
>> might reduce their lifespan below that of the rest of the
>> system's (viable) lifespan so replacement might be required
>> some futureyear (interval depending on how good the fans
>> are).
>>
>> The fan control is either in the bios or a software you are
>> running.
>
>
>If the system keeps running at these temperatures, how long do you
>think the cpu will last?

I don't know, probably 8 years would be a guess but it isn't
the important factor. The important factor is why it is
running hot, and if that is due to poor system cooling. IF
that is the fault, it will kill OTHER parts far sooner than
the CPU.

You should run Prime95. large in-place FFTs stress test for
a long time to be sure it remains stable.

On Mar 25, 10:16 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2007 09:55:11 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 25, 4:19 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> On 24 Mar 2007 17:56:09 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
> >> >full capacity without any damage to the system?
>
> >> Yes, though if they're poor quality fans it is possible that
> >> might reduce their lifespan below that of the rest of the
> >> system's (viable) lifespan so replacement might be required
> >> some futureyear (interval depending on how good the fans
> >> are).
>
> >> The fan control is either in the bios or a software you are
> >> running.
>
> >If the system keeps running at these temperatures, how long do you
> >think the cpu will last?
>
> I don't know, probably 8 years would be a guess but it isn't
> the important factor. The important factor is why it is
> running hot, and if that is due to poor system cooling. IF
> that is the fault, it will kill OTHER parts far sooner than
> the CPU.
>
> You should run Prime95. large in-place FFTs stress test for
> a long time to be sure it remains stable.


thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
for atleast 10 hours?

On Mar 25, 10:44 am, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 25, 10:16 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 Mar 2007 09:55:11 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Mar 25, 4:19 am, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> > >> On 24 Mar 2007 17:56:09 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >Do you think it is possible to make the fans run at
> > >> >full capacity without any damage to the system?
>
> > >> Yes, though if they're poor quality fans it is possible that
> > >> might reduce their lifespan below that of the rest of the
> > >> system's (viable) lifespan so replacement might be required
> > >> some futureyear (interval depending on how good the fans
> > >> are).
>
> > >> The fan control is either in the bios or a software you are
> > >> running.
>
> > >If the system keeps running at these temperatures, how long do you
> > >think the cpu will last?
>
> > I don't know, probably 8 years would be a guess but it isn't
> > the important factor. The important factor is why it is
> > running hot, and if that is due to poor system cooling. IF
> > that is the fault, it will kill OTHER parts far sooner than
> > the CPU.
>
> > You should run Prime95. large in-place FFTs stress test for
> > a long time to be sure it remains stable.
>
> thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
> on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
> tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
> temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
> accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
> anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
> unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
> for atleast 10 hours?

I have more details. I found out that these are the fan controls in
PC Probe:

Enabled Sensor Name Current Value
Threshold

Yes CPU
4115 1000 RPM
No CHASSIS
0 1000 RPM
No POWER
0 1000 RPM

Is this how its supposed to be? Are the CHASSIS and POWER supposed to
be enabled?

On 25 Mar 2007 12:22:27 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:


>
>Enabled Sensor Name Current Value
>Threshold
>
>Yes CPU
>4115 1000 RPM
>No CHASSIS
>0 1000 RPM
>No POWER
>0 1000 RPM
>
>Is this how its supposed to be? Are the CHASSIS and POWER supposed to
>be enabled?

I've no idea because you didn't clearly state what it is.
Is this a fan control of RPM, or a warning if RPM is too low
or ???

There is no "supposed to be", necessarily, every fan has
it's own RPM, the software can't know what your fans need,
per each, to get the balance you want/need.

On 25 Mar 2007 10:44:22 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:


>thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
>on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
>tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
>temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
>accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
>anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
>unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
>for atleast 10 hours?


Forget PC Probe numbers. I do not mean a chipset temp, i
mean the actual temperatures of ALL parts in the system.
You can use a thermometer of some sort or touch-test with
your finger, or go overkill on airflow to be sure everything
is beyond a reasonable margin.

That the CPU is so hot is a sign "something" is wrong. Fix
that something, instead of looking at software.

On Mar 25, 2:11 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2007 10:44:22 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
> >on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
> >tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
> >temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
> >accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
> >anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
> >unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
> >for atleast 10 hours?
>
> Forget PC Probe numbers. I do not mean a chipset temp, i
> mean the actual temperatures of ALL parts in the system.
> You can use a thermometer of some sort or touch-test with
> your finger, or go overkill on airflow to be sure everything
> is beyond a reasonable margin.
>
> That the CPU is so hot is a sign "something" is wrong. Fix
> that something, instead of looking at software.


Thanks. Does anyone know what I should do? I felt inside that case and
its just as hot as any other computer, around 35 degrees. How do I
increase airflow? I've made sure that the computer has enough room on
the sides for airflow but I dont know what else to do.

On Mar 25, 5:29 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 25, 2:11 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 25 Mar 2007 10:44:22 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > >thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
> > >on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
> > >tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
> > >temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
> > >accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
> > >anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
> > >unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
> > >for atleast 10 hours?
>
> > Forget PC Probe numbers. I do not mean a chipset temp, i
> > mean the actual temperatures of ALL parts in the system.
> > You can use a thermometer of some sort or touch-test with
> > your finger, or go overkill on airflow to be sure everything
> > is beyond a reasonable margin.
>
> > That the CPU is so hot is a sign "something" is wrong. Fix
> > that something, instead of looking at software.
>
> Thanks. Does anyone know what I should do? I felt inside that case and
> its just as hot as any other computer, around 35 degrees. How do I
> increase airflow? I've made sure that the computer has enough room on
> the sides for airflow but I dont know what else to do.



OK, This is crazy. I checked the temperature using AIDA 32 (an older
version of EVEREST) and guess what? When the Computer was idle for the
CPU, while PC Probe showed 75 degrees, EVEREST showed 45 degrees!!!!
The motherboard temp stayed the same but there was a amazing
difference with AIDA. What should I trust, AIDA or PC Probe?

happymac.support@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 25, 5:29 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mar 25, 2:11 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 25 Mar 2007 10:44:22 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> thanks for everything. What I am most suspicious of is if the numbers
>>>> on PC PROBE are wrong. ASUS Motherboard monitoring programs have a
>>>> tendency to report the temperature 10-20 degrees more that the actual
>>>> temperature as said in the forum links posted previously. Is there an
>>>> accurate program (that doesnt have the power to alter fan settings ro
>>>> anything) that I can use to monitor the temperatures? Isn't 45C an
>>>> unusual temperature when starting up the computer after being left of
>>>> for atleast 10 hours?
>>> Forget PC Probe numbers. I do not mean a chipset temp, i
>>> mean the actual temperatures of ALL parts in the system.
>>> You can use a thermometer of some sort or touch-test with
>>> your finger, or go overkill on airflow to be sure everything
>>> is beyond a reasonable margin.
>>> That the CPU is so hot is a sign "something" is wrong. Fix
>>> that something, instead of looking at software.
>> Thanks. Does anyone know what I should do? I felt inside that case and
>> its just as hot as any other computer, around 35 degrees. How do I
>> increase airflow? I've made sure that the computer has enough room on
>> the sides for airflow but I dont know what else to do.
>
>
>
> OK, This is crazy. I checked the temperature using AIDA 32 (an older
> version of EVEREST) and guess what? When the Computer was idle for the
> CPU, while PC Probe showed 75 degrees, EVEREST showed 45 degrees!!!!
> The motherboard temp stayed the same but there was a amazing
> difference with AIDA. What should I trust, AIDA or PC Probe?
>
Your finger.If you can keep it at the site without
discomfort,Everest is right.
Else Aida is right. :) :)
(You might need aufully small fingers......)

On 25 Mar 2007 17:46:14 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Mar 25, 5:29 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>OK, This is crazy. I checked the temperature using AIDA 32 (an older
>version of EVEREST) and guess what? When the Computer was idle for the
>CPU, while PC Probe showed 75 degrees, EVEREST showed 45 degrees!!!!
>The motherboard temp stayed the same but there was a amazing
>difference with AIDA. What should I trust, AIDA or PC Probe?

Never use another software not specifically designed to read
your particular motherboard's temps, unless it very clearly
has a setting, known to work properly, specifying that same
board.

The right place to check the temp is the bios
health/hardware monitor page. On that page the temp will be
a few degrees warmer than sitting at idle while running an
ACPI enabled OS, and a few degrees cooler than running at
full load.

On Mar 25, 8:41 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2007 17:46:14 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On Mar 25, 5:29 pm, happymac.supp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >OK, This is crazy. I checked the temperature using AIDA 32 (an older
> >version of EVEREST) and guess what? When the Computer was idle for the
> >CPU, while PC Probe showed 75 degrees, EVEREST showed 45 degrees!!!!
> >The motherboard temp stayed the same but there was a amazing
> >difference with AIDA. What should I trust, AIDA or PC Probe?
>
> Never use another software not specifically designed to read
> your particular motherboard's temps, unless it very clearly
> has a setting, known to work properly, specifying that same
> board.
>
> The right place to check the temp is the bios
> health/hardware monitor page. On that page the temp will be
> a few degrees warmer than sitting at idle while running an
> ACPI enabled OS, and a few degrees cooler than running at
> full load.


I checked the BIOS page. Unfortunately, it shows the same readings as
PC Probe--around 70 at idle. Any suggestions on what I can do? Maybe a
fan is failing, as I said in one of my previous posts:

>i have noticed something though. Before from
>when I got the sytem to 3 months ago there was a sound of something (i
>am assuming its a fan) that revved up and down. Now, the fan noise is
>consistent and stays the same. Maybe, just maybe the system was a bit
>louder before.

I honestly dont know. What do you think? I checked on the ASUS page
for my motherboard and there is nothing about cooling issues or
anything. Oh, by the way, I found out the number of fans I have. here
is the info:

1) Power Supply Fan
2) GPU Fan (on the graphics card)
3) CPU Fan @ around 4115RPM
4) Case Fan (attached on the inside of the case)

No idea if thats enough. As far as I can tell, all the ones listed
here are spinning. there is air coming out of the Power supply fan,
the GPU fan is spinning, the Case Fan I can see is spinning, and
obviously the CPU fan is going too.

On 26 Mar 2007 17:06:56 -0700, happymac.support@gmail.com
wrote:


>I checked the BIOS page. Unfortunately, it shows the same readings as
>PC Probe--around 70 at idle. Any suggestions on what I can do?

Determine which subsystem is suboptimal.
It's not hard, look over all aspects of the system, which is
interfering with optimal cooling? The only case where there
is something that wouldn't be obvious is if you didn't
realize the quality of heatsink needed or that 'sink wasn't
sitting on the CPU good, in which case you'd remove it,
clean off thermal interface material, apply tiny bit of
heatsink grease and reattach.


>Maybe a
>fan is failing, as I said in one of my previous posts:
>
>>i have noticed something though. Before from
>>when I got the sytem to 3 months ago there was a sound of something (i
>>am assuming its a fan) that revved up and down. Now, the fan noise is
>>consistent and stays the same. Maybe, just maybe the system was a bit
>>louder before.

Well are any spinning at an especially low(er) speed or not?
That should be pretty easy to determine just by looking at
them, if not an RPM readout.


>
>I honestly dont know. What do you think?

That you have not adequately described exactly what all your
system's cooling subsystems are like. We can't see the
system.


>I checked on the ASUS page
>for my motherboard and there is nothing about cooling issues or
>anything. Oh, by the way, I found out the number of fans I have. here
>is the info:
>
>1) Power Supply Fan
>2) GPU Fan (on the graphics card)
>3) CPU Fan @ around 4115RPM
>4) Case Fan (attached on the inside of the case)
>
>No idea if thats enough. As far as I can tell, all the ones listed
>here are spinning. there is air coming out of the Power supply fan,
>the GPU fan is spinning, the Case Fan I can see is spinning, and
>obviously the CPU fan is going too.


Describe in detail what case, what fans, where they are
mounted, what obstructions there are to each compared to
having only a large open hole. This includes the case front
bezel.

Describe room ambient temp during these temp readings.

In short, tell us about your system and environment.
Something about it is different. Only by thorough
description will that become evident.

On Mar 26, 6:30 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2007 17:06:56 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I checked the BIOS page. Unfortunately, it shows the same readings as
> >PC Probe--around 70 at idle. Any suggestions on what I can do?
>
> Determine which subsystem is suboptimal.
> It's not hard, look over all aspects of the system, which is
> interfering with optimal cooling? The only case where there
> is something that wouldn't be obvious is if you didn't
> realize the quality of heatsink needed or that 'sink wasn't
> sitting on the CPU good, in which case you'd remove it,> clean off thermal interface material, apply tiny bit of
> heatsink grease and reattach.
>
> >Maybe a
> >fan is failing, as I said in one of my previous posts:
>
> >>i have noticed something though. Before from
> >>when I got the sytem to 3 months ago there was a sound of something (i
> >>am assuming its a fan) that revved up and down. Now, the fan noise is
> >>consistent and stays the same. Maybe, just maybe the system was a bit
> >>louder before.
>
> Well are any spinning at an especially low(er) speed or not?
> That should be pretty easy to determine just by looking at
> them, if not an RPM readout.
>
>
>
> >I honestly dont know. What do you think?
>
> That you have not adequately described exactly what all your
> system's cooling subsystems are like. We can't see the
> system.
>
> >I checked on the ASUS page
> >for my motherboard and there is nothing about cooling issues or
> >anything. Oh, by the way, I found out the number of fans I have. here
> >is the info:
>
> >1) Power Supply Fan
> >2) GPU Fan (on the graphics card)
> >3) CPU Fan @ around 4115RPM
> >4) Case Fan (attached on the inside of the case)
>
> >No idea if thats enough. As far as I can tell, all the ones listed
> >here are spinning. there is air coming out of the Power supply fan,
> >the GPU fan is spinning, the Case Fan I can see is spinning, and
> >obviously the CPU fan is going too.
>
> Describe in detail what case, what fans, where they are
> mounted, what obstructions there are to each compared to
> having only a large open hole. This includes the case front
> bezel.
>
> Describe room ambient temp during these temp readings.
>
> In short, tell us about your system and environment.
> Something about it is different. Only by thorough
> description will that become evident.


As far as I can tell, there are no fans that are running slower than
they should be but as I said: there was slightly more noise from the
machine revving up and down before. I have uploaded some images to
help you figure it out:

1) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/back_ventilation1.jpg - Ventilation holes
on back of case
2) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_fan1.jpg - Case Fan on side (zoomed
in)
3) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_fan2.jpg - Case Fan on side (zoomed
out)
4) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front1.jpg - Front of case (zoomed
out)
5) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front2.jpg - Front of case (bottom
area)
6) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front3.jpg - Front of case (top area)
7) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_side1.jpg - Side of case
8) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/cpu_fan1.jpg - CPU Fan
9) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/psu_fan1.jpg - Power Supply Fan exhaust (on
back of case)
10) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/speedfan_readings.jpg - SpeedFan
temperature readings


Here are the details on the case and fans:

Case: 17 inch tower case "SPORT" brand (I think its a cheap case)
Power Supply: 400W

1) Case Fan
Type: FAN DC 12V (with red, green and blue LEDs)
Location: On the middle of the left side of the case. Its attached
from the inside. The fan is about 2 inches (not sure, check pictures).
Wire mesh covering outside the fan,

2) CPU Fan
Type: Intel stock
Location: on the cpu (obvious) - check pictures

3) GPU Fan
Type: graphics card fan
Location: MSI Card (chipset: ATI RADEON X1300 PRO)

4) Power Supply Fan
Type: power supply fan
Location: inside power supply (covered with a wire mesh, see pictures)

The room temperature at the time of these reading was 19C-20C (the
room temperature is controlled by a programmable thermostat). The
above described fans are the cooling system this machine has. I also
noticed that there is (I think........) a sound of a wire or
something getting caught in a fan. I cant tell which fan and Im not
sure if it even is a fan.

Thanks

On Mar 26, 6:30 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2007 17:06:56 -0700, happymac.supp...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >I checked the BIOS page. Unfortunately, it shows the same readings as
> >PC Probe--around 70 at idle. Any suggestions on what I can do?
>
> Determine which subsystem is suboptimal.
> It's not hard, look over all aspects of the system, which is
> interfering with optimal cooling? The only case where there
> is something that wouldn't be obvious is if you didn't
> realize the quality of heatsink needed or that 'sink wasn't
> sitting on the CPU good, in which case you'd remove it,
> clean off thermal interface material, apply tiny bit of
> heatsink grease and reattach.
>
> >Maybe a
> >fan is failing, as I said in one of my previous posts:
>
> >>i have noticed something though. Before from
> >>when I got the sytem to 3 months ago there was a sound of something (i
> >>am assuming its a fan) that revved up and down. Now, the fan noise is
> >>consistent and stays the same. Maybe, just maybe the system was a bit
> >>louder before.
>
> Well are any spinning at an especially low(er) speed or not?
> That should be pretty easy to determine just by looking at
> them, if not an RPM readout.
>
>
>
> >I honestly dont know. What do you think?
>
> That you have not adequately described exactly what all your
> system's cooling subsystems are like. We can't see the
> system.
>
> >I checked on the ASUS page
> >for my motherboard and there is nothing about cooling issues or
> >anything. Oh, by the way, I found out the number of fans I have. here
> >is the info:
>
> >1) Power Supply Fan
> >2) GPU Fan (on the graphics card)
> >3) CPU Fan @ around 4115RPM
> >4) Case Fan (attached on the inside of the case)
>
> >No idea if thats enough. As far as I can tell, all the ones listed
> >here are spinning. there is air coming out of the Power supply fan,
> >the GPU fan is spinning, the Case Fan I can see is spinning, and
> >obviously the CPU fan is going too.
>
> Describe in detail what case, what fans, where they are
> mounted, what obstructions there are to each compared to
> having only a large open hole. This includes the case front
> bezel.
>
> Describe room ambient temp during these temp readings.
>
> In short, tell us about your system and environment.
> Something about it is different. Only by thorough
> description will that become evident.


As far as I can tell, there are no fans that are running slower than
they should be but as I said: there was slightly more noise from the
machine revving up and down before. I have uploaded some images to
help you figure it out:

1) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/back_ventilation1.JPG - Ventilation holes
on back of case
2) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_fan1.JPG - Case Fan on side (zoomed
in)
3) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_fan2.JPG - Case Fan on side (zoomed
out)
4) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front1.JPG - Front of case (zoomed
out)
5) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front2.JPG - Front of case (bottom
area)
6) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_front3.JPG - Front of case (top area)
7) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/case_side1.JPG - Side of case
8) http://pcwiz.50webs.com/cpu_fan1.JPG - CPU Fan
9)