Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
the old cards (onboard) stuff.
That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
Without a video driver for a specific graphics card, a default VGA driver will be used, which will work with any video card.
The standard procedure to replace a video card in an expansion slot is to remove the old driver, remove the old card, insert the new card, and install the driver for the new card. Since you can't physically remove the onboard video chip set you must disable it either in the system BIOS or with a jumper on the mother board.
Bazzer Smith wrote:
>
> Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
> the old cards (onboard) stuff.
> That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
"Mike Walsh" <spamscks@netrox.net> wrote in message
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>
> Without a video driver for a specific graphics card, a default VGA driver
> will be used, which will work with any video card.
I thought as much, it was a bit like me buying a cdrw with its installation
disk with its drivers on!!!
> The standard procedure to replace a video card in an expansion slot is to
> remove the old driver, remove the old card, insert the new card, and
> install the driver for the new card. Since you can't physically remove the
> onboard video chip set you must disable it either in the system BIOS or
> with a jumper on the mother board.
In a way I don't want to disable it because I want to use multiple monitors.
The new card can support two monitors though (well I think so
anyway).However
why not enable the onboard stuff and have 3 monitors?
I mean its like binning your existing hard drive when you buy a new one.
>
> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>>
>> Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
>> the old cards (onboard) stuff.
>> That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
>
> --
> Mike Walsh
> West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A.
Bazzer Smith wrote:
> "Mike Walsh" <spamscks@netrox.net> wrote in message
> news:44CE3E0B.F1E39B96@netrox.net...
>
>> Without a video driver for a specific graphics card, a default VGA driver
>> will be used, which will work with any video card.
>>
>
> I thought as much, it was a bit like me buying a cdrw with its installation
> disk with its drivers on!!!
>
>
>
>
>> The standard procedure to replace a video card in an expansion slot is to
>> remove the old driver, remove the old card, insert the new card, and
>> install the driver for the new card. Since you can't physically remove the
>> onboard video chip set you must disable it either in the system BIOS or
>> with a jumper on the mother board.
>>
>
>
> In a way I don't want to disable it because I want to use multiple monitors.
> The new card can support two monitors though (well I think so
> anyway).However
> why not enable the onboard stuff and have 3 monitors?
>
> I mean its like binning your existing hard drive when you buy a new one.
>
> <snip>
>
>
You lost me a little, and not only with the mixed top and bottom
postings, LOL! (sorry, had to say that) Can I assume that you are
using an board AGP graphics and wish to add a PCI Radeon? In theory
you can operate both together although I am not sure if Windows (and I
am really talking about XP, however you mentioned drivers for CDRW
devices which suggests to me you might be on 98??) will handle more
than two displays, be they one each on two devices, or two on one
device. I may be wrong, because I have never tried three (or four!) or
seen it done. Someone else might know. You are inviting conflicts and
problems by attempting this, however, despite the theory that it could
work. Won't two monitors driven from a newer and superior (I presume)
card be enough for you? What was it you have set out to achieve?
To answer your first question, if you remove the old drivers from
Windows, re-boot, disable on-board graphics in BIOS, and then hook up a
display to your new card you will see the initial screens via that card
and Windows will start up in VGA mode, with a basic driver-less (in
effect) display. Most systems that have on-board graphics also have an
option in BIOS to ensure you can boot from an add-in display card.
"Ian O" <ian@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> "Mike Walsh" <spamscks@netrox.net> wrote in message
>> news:44CE3E0B.F1E39B96@netrox.net...
>>
>>> Without a video driver for a specific graphics card, a default VGA
>>> driver will be used, which will work with any video card.
>>>
>>
>> I thought as much, it was a bit like me buying a cdrw with its
>> installation disk with its drivers on!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The standard procedure to replace a video card in an expansion slot is
>>> to remove the old driver, remove the old card, insert the new card, and
>>> install the driver for the new card. Since you can't physically remove
>>> the onboard video chip set you must disable it either in the system BIOS
>>> or with a jumper on the mother board.
>>>
>>
>>
>> In a way I don't want to disable it because I want to use multiple
>> monitors.
>> The new card can support two monitors though (well I think so
>> anyway).However
>> why not enable the onboard stuff and have 3 monitors?
>>
>> I mean its like binning your existing hard drive when you buy a new one.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
> You lost me a little, and not only with the mixed top and bottom postings,
> LOL! (sorry, had to say that) Can I assume that you are using an board
> AGP graphics and wish to add a PCI Radeon?
I have onboard Radeon Xpress 200, there is one CRT port.
I bought a Radeon 9550 card which has two ports, DVI and CRT
I think it will suppoort two monitors (will try installing it in a few mins)
> In theory you can operate both together although I am not sure if Windows
> (and I am really talking about XP, however you mentioned drivers for CDRW
> devices which suggests to me you might be on 98??)
That my old comp, this is XP.
>will handle more than two displays, be they one each on two devices, or two
>on one device. I may be wrong, because I have never tried three (or
>four!) or seen it done. Someone else might know.
>You are inviting conflicts and problems by attempting this, however,
>despite the theory that it could work.
>Won't two monitors driven from a newer and superior (I presume) card be
>enough for you?
No I am greedy!! Well I actually only have 2 monitors so 2 is enough
(for now).
>What was it you have set out to achieve?
Have my desktop spread across 2 or 3 monitors
>
> To answer your first question, if you remove the old drivers from Windows,
> re-boot, disable on-board graphics in BIOS, and then hook up a display to
> your new card you will see the initial screens via that card and Windows
> will start up in VGA mode, with a basic driver-less (in effect) display.
> Most systems that have on-board graphics also have an option in BIOS to
> ensure you can boot from an add-in display card.
Well if the onboard will work with out its drivers thats OK really isn't it?
>Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
>the old cards (onboard) stuff.
>That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
>
What operating system?
I'll assume windows XP.
Go into add/remove programs, and remove the driver.
If it's not in add/remove programs, proceed onwards....
Shut off system, unplug it from ac, install new video card.
If it's an AGP card, or PCI Express, plug monitor into new
card now.
If it's a PCI card, you can connect to either but when you
turn the system on, if it's connected to PCI and you dont'
get video, turn system off and reconnect to the onboard
video. If it remains connected to onboard video and you get
video, go into the bios and change the primary display
adapter to PCI. The goal being that when monitor is
connected to the PCI card, you get the bios video display
when system is first turned on.
Next boot the OS. You will have VGA video, 640x480 and
monochrome (or 16 color in Windows) until you install the
proper driver either through a new hardware detection wizard
or manually running an executible, or cancelling the wizard
and manually browsing to the driver folder from Device
Manager (in the properties for the new video adapter).
After deleting the old video card's driver, when you next boot up the
computer Windows will automatically load a default generic video card driver
to get you by until you load the new driver.
--
DaveW
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"Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message
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> Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
> the old cards (onboard) stuff.
> That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
>
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:46:51 GMT, "Bazzer Smith"
> <me@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
>>the old cards (onboard) stuff.
>>That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
>>
>
>
> What operating system?
> I'll assume windows XP.
>
> Go into add/remove programs, and remove the driver.
>
> If it's not in add/remove programs, proceed onwards....
>
> Shut off system, unplug it from ac, install new video card.
>
> If it's an AGP card, or PCI Express, plug monitor into new
> card now.
It's an AGP card as I have just discovered to my horror.
It was fairly obvious that it would not fit as soon as I took the card from
it's
wrapper, although I did think it might fit in to the PCI express slot, I
don't
think I would have powered it up even if it did fit. (I tried!!).
I have no AGP slots in my new computer, just PCI and PCI Express.
I would probably fit in to my eight year old computer but that is pointless.
I just assumed it would fit in my computer when I bought it, I mean AGP
is like real 'old hat' now, 3rd generation, and it cost £40.
I just hope the shop will refund me!!
Actually I just found the receipt and it says £59, I could have swore it
said £39
in the shop, maybe I picked up the wrong box but I doubt it. That's the
trouble
with paying with a card, if I had handed over two £20 notes as I would have
done with cash
the problem would have been apparent. (I was in a bit of a rush as the store
was about to close).
I just hope I have no problems returning it, hopefully not as there appeared
to a lot of returned
stuff near the checkout, I guess I will find out!!
I think making out I will be buying a much more expensive card will help ;O)
Would fetch a fair price on ebay anyway.
I thinkI need to figure out what is the best card for me when basiclly all I
want to do is
run two monitors without spending a fortune!!!
>
> If it's a PCI card, you can connect to either but when you
> turn the system on, if it's connected to PCI and you dont'
> get video, turn system off and reconnect to the onboard
> video. If it remains connected to onboard video and you get
> video, go into the bios and change the primary display
> adapter to PCI. The goal being that when monitor is
> connected to the PCI card, you get the bios video display
> when system is first turned on.
>
> Next boot the OS. You will have VGA video, 640x480 and
> monochrome (or 16 color in Windows) until you install the
> proper driver either through a new hardware detection wizard
> or manually running an executible, or cancelling the wizard
> and manually browsing to the driver folder from Device
> Manager (in the properties for the new video adapter).
"DaveW" <somewhere@zero.org> wrote in message
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> After deleting the old video card's driver, when you next boot up the
> computer Windows will automatically load a default generic video card
> driver to get you by until you load the new driver.
Yea but there was all this stuff about disableing the onboard stuff in the
bios (had a look in there
and it was not too helpfull).
Anyway the card is AGP and I only have PCI or better slots so I have to
return the card first anyway
Anyway in the HP (my computer) support guide it says:-
"To use the multiple monitor support feature, you need a PCI or AGP video
adapter for each monitor.
If you have an onboard video adapter (one that is not a plug-in card but is
part of the motherboard) that you
want to use as part of a multiple-monitor configuration, it must be set as
VGA. "
I think I can do that in the BIOS, I will try to avoid deleting anything at
first, "just in case".
>
> --
> DaveW
>
> ----------------
> "Bazzer Smith" <me@invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:%tqzg.2950$t%.655@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> Apparently to install a new graphics card I have to delete
>> the old cards (onboard) stuff.
>> That sounds scary, without those drivers how will I see the screen FFS?
>>
>
>
Most likely both ports output the same video, i.e. they can't be used in the usual dual monitor configuration with different video on each monitor.
Bazzer Smith wrote:
>
> I bought a Radeon 9550 card which has two ports, DVI and CRT
> I think it will suppoort two monitors (will try installing it in a few mins)
>
Most 9550s are dual head, you can certainly have two monitors.
Mike Walsh <spamscks@netrox.net> wrote
> Most likely both ports output the same video,
> i.e. they can't be used in the usual dual monitor
> configuration with different video on each monitor.
> Bazzer Smith wrote
>> I bought a Radeon 9550 card which has two ports, DVI and CRT
>> I think it will suppoort two monitors (will try installing it in a few mins)
Deleting video drivers. 
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