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Old 09-24-2006, 06:50 AM
bob@coolgroups.com
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Default ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU

I bought this on ebay:

ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU

I am trying to get it working, and it's not going well.

I put in the CPU and 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM. Then, I put in a PCI
ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card. I connected up a hard drive, the power
supply, and the power switch as well. I then attached a monitor and
pressed the power switch. Nothing happens.

Any idea what's wrong? Could I need an AGP card? Do some motherboards
only do video with AGP?

Thanks.


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Old 09-24-2006, 07:56 AM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> I bought this on ebay:
>
> ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU
>
> I am trying to get it working, and it's not going well.
>
> I put in the CPU and 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM. Then, I put in a PCI
> ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card. I connected up a hard drive, the power
> supply, and the power switch as well. I then attached a monitor and
> pressed the power switch. Nothing happens.
>
> Any idea what's wrong?


It's not working.

Could I need an AGP card?

No.

Do some motherboards
> only do video with AGP?


Very, very few, if any.


In descending order of likelihood:

o You connected the power switch to the wrong pins/didn't connect the
extra rail (4 wire connector thingy). Some other PIBKAC.

o Dead/ incompaitible/inadequite PSU
o Dead cpu fan (many boards won't even power on without live fan).
o Dead motherboard
o Dead cpu


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Old 09-24-2006, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU

Is there a way it could possibly detect that there is no heat sink on
it?


paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > I bought this on ebay:
> >
> > ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU
> >
> > I am trying to get it working, and it's not going well.
> >
> > I put in the CPU and 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM. Then, I put in a PCI
> > ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card. I connected up a hard drive, the power
> > supply, and the power switch as well. I then attached a monitor and
> > pressed the power switch. Nothing happens.
> >
> > Any idea what's wrong?

>
> It's not working.
>
> Could I need an AGP card?
>
> No.
>
> Do some motherboards
> > only do video with AGP?

>
> Very, very few, if any.
>
>
> In descending order of likelihood:
>
> o You connected the power switch to the wrong pins/didn't connect the
> extra rail (4 wire connector thingy). Some other PIBKAC.
>
> o Dead/ incompaitible/inadequite PSU
> o Dead cpu fan (many boards won't even power on without live fan).
> o Dead motherboard
> o Dead cpu



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Old 09-24-2006, 06:48 PM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

> Is there a way it could possibly detect that there is no heat sink on it?


Yes, by the cpu getting too hot very quickly.

That would produce different symptoms than what
you are seeing tho, you dont see it start the cpu at all.


> paulmd@efn.org wrote
>> bob@coolgroups.com wrote


>>> I bought this on ebay:


>>> ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU


>>> I am trying to get it working, and it's not going well.


>>> I put in the CPU and 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM. Then,
>>> I put in a PCI ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card. I connected up a
>>> hard drive, the power supply, and the power switch as well. I then
>>> attached a monitor and pressed the power switch. Nothing happens.

>
>>> Any idea what's wrong?


>> It's not working.


>> Could I need an AGP card?


>> No.


>>> Do some motherboards only do video with AGP?


>> Very, very few, if any.


>> In descending order of likelihood:


>> o You connected the power switch to the wrong pins/didn't connect
>> the extra rail (4 wire connector thingy). Some other PIBKAC.


>> o Dead/ incompaitible/inadequite PSU
>> o Dead cpu fan (many boards won't even power on without live fan).
>> o Dead motherboard
>> o Dead cpu




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Old 09-24-2006, 08:09 PM
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In article <1159080604.876026.166940@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

> I bought this on ebay:
>
> ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU
>
> I am trying to get it working, and it's not going well.
>
> I put in the CPU and 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM. Then, I put in a PCI
> ATI Radeon 7000 graphics card. I connected up a hard drive, the power
> supply, and the power switch as well. I then attached a monitor and
> pressed the power switch. Nothing happens.
>
> Any idea what's wrong? Could I need an AGP card? Do some motherboards
> only do video with AGP?
>
> Thanks.


http://64.124.27.138/ecs/manual/mb/e...8P-A7(5.0).zip

Make sure item 25 in the manual (2x2 power connector) is connected.

I would check to see if a green LED on the motherboard was lit,
because some motherboards have that LED to tell you whether
+5VSB is coming from the power supply. Your motherboard does not
have that LED.

So about all you can do, is check for +5VSB with a voltmeter.

If there is no +5VSB for some reason, then the power switch you
plug to pins 6 and 8 on the F_PANEL connector, won't do anything.

Check and make sure the power switch is plugged to the
correct two pins. Even numbered pins are on the left hand
side of the 2x5 F_PANEL connector. The power switch goes on
pins 6 and 8, right next to the "missing" pin.

Even with no components installed in the motherboard, you
should be able to switch the power supply on and off via
the F_PANEL header and the power switch on pins 6 and 8.
You should at least hear the PSU fan start to spin in that
case. If you cannot get that far, then PSU or motherboard
is dead.

Paul

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Old 09-24-2006, 11:03 PM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> Is there a way it could possibly detect that there is no heat sink on
> it?
>


If it doesn't have thermal protection, it would kill the chip in a
hurry. EVENTUALLY leading to no power due to a dead chip (or powers on,
but no POST). ECS is an El Cheapo maker of motherboards, so it's not
beyond the realm of possibility.

If it DOES have thermal protection, it would shut itself off after a
brief life.

ARE you running the CPU without a heatsink? The last chip you could do
that with was a p1 (for about 2 minutes). The later chips had a much
shorter life. I KNOW you can permanately kill a duron 900MHZ in under
5 seconds that way. I've done that.


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Old 09-25-2006, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: ECS 848P-A MB W/ Intel Celeron D 325 2.53 mhz CPU

Yes, I have a fan/heatsink on the CPU.

The fan doesn't move.

I asked the seller, and he said:
"If you have a speaker attached to the MB it will emit POST beeps to
let you know what's happening (ie ram bad, video card not seated, etc."

Anyone know where to get this speaker?

I thought most motherboards had built-in speakers.
paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > Is there a way it could possibly detect that there is no heat sink on
> > it?
> >

>
> If it doesn't have thermal protection, it would kill the chip in a
> hurry. EVENTUALLY leading to no power due to a dead chip (or powers on,
> but no POST). ECS is an El Cheapo maker of motherboards, so it's not
> beyond the realm of possibility.
>
> If it DOES have thermal protection, it would shut itself off after a
> brief life.
>
> ARE you running the CPU without a heatsink? The last chip you could do
> that with was a p1 (for about 2 minutes). The later chips had a much
> shorter life. I KNOW you can permanately kill a duron 900MHZ in under
> 5 seconds that way. I've done that.



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Old 09-25-2006, 05:22 AM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
>
> Yes, I have a fan/heatsink on the CPU.
>
> The fan doesn't move.
>
> I asked the seller, and he said:
> "If you have a speaker attached to the MB it will emit POST beeps to
> let you know what's happening (ie ram bad, video card not seated, etc."
>
> Anyone know where to get this speaker?


Don't top-post. See the links below.

You have been taken. When the fan doesn't move, it doesn't cool,
and the CPU self-destructs, or shuts itself down.

--
Some informative links:
<news:news.announce.newusers
<http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
<http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
<http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/>


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Old 09-25-2006, 05:39 AM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

> Yes, I have a fan/heatsink on the CPU.


> The fan doesn't move.


Then you have a problem. You should be concentrating on this first.

> I asked the seller, and he said:
> "If you have a speaker attached to the MB it will emit POST beeps to
> let you know what's happening (ie ram bad, video card not seated, etc."


> Anyone know where to get this speaker?


It comes with the case.

> I thought most motherboards had built-in speakers.


Quite a few do, but plenty dont.


> paulmd@efn.org wrote:
>> bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
>>> Is there a way it could possibly detect that there is no heat sink
>>> on it?
>>>

>>
>> If it doesn't have thermal protection, it would kill the chip in a
>> hurry. EVENTUALLY leading to no power due to a dead chip (or powers
>> on, but no POST). ECS is an El Cheapo maker of motherboards, so
>> it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
>>
>> If it DOES have thermal protection, it would shut itself off after a
>> brief life.
>>
>> ARE you running the CPU without a heatsink? The last chip you could
>> do that with was a p1 (for about 2 minutes). The later chips had a
>> much shorter life. I KNOW you can permanately kill a duron 900MHZ
>> in under 5 seconds that way. I've done that.




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Old 09-25-2006, 12:23 PM
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On 24 Sep 2006 21:54:10 -0700, bob@coolgroups.com wrote:

>Yes, I have a fan/heatsink on the CPU.
>
>The fan doesn't move.
>
>I asked the seller, and he said:
>"If you have a speaker attached to the MB it will emit POST beeps to
>let you know what's happening (ie ram bad, video card not seated, etc."
>
>Anyone know where to get this speaker?
>


I assume you do have the 4 pin 12V connector, connected.

First, unplug AC and use the clear CMOS jumper, or pull the
battery for 10 minutes. Either way, check the position of
the clear CMOS jumper first and compare to the motherboard
manual- the board may have originally shipped with the
jumper in the "clear" position.

If you had (attempted to) operated it without a heatsink,
the CPU may be damaged and you should try another CPU.

The fan should spin, BUT, it is likely that if the fan were
defective or not hooked up correctly, brief periods of being
turned on only long enough to find the system wouldn't post,
will probably not fry the CPU so long as the heatsink is
installed properly. Even so, if you had plugged the fan
into the wrong place, "maybe" that would interfere with it
POSTing, I doubt it but double-check that.

Some boards have a spot for a speaker but the manufacturer
didn't add it. If you are skilled at soldering and can get
ahold of the speaker, there are probably any needed
complimentary surface mount parts already installed and you
could add just that buzzer (speaker) and have it work. That
is beyond what most want to do though, so the next 2
alternatives are;

1) Check the manual for possible presence of a speaker pin
header, to which a typical small diameter speaker (about 2")
is connected via (typically) 4 inline pin header. Some
cases used to come with such a speaker, you might find one
online at some odd bits website (though I don't know where,
because I've never looked for one because...) most any old
AT system will have one, a local mom-n-pop computer shop or
an abandoned system is a good place to look for one.

2) Many newer boards with integrated sound support beep
codes through connected system speakers. Sometimes there is
a jumper to select them- check your motherboard manual.

If it continues to fail to post, strip down to bare
essentials, leaving only 1 memory module, CPU, heatsink/fan,
video (PCI card should be fine, or remove all cards if
system has integrated video). Disconnect the front panel
case wiring and short the Power-on pin to adjacent ground to
turn it on- consult manual for location of these pins.

If it still fails, assess whether any parts installed are
known good, swap parts if you have spares of any/all things.
Take PSU readings with a multimeter if possible. Finally
pull out motherboard and try it again in the bare minimal
config on a non-conductive surface, _not_ on anti-static mat
or packing material.

These parts came from ebay? Did the seller have a good
reputation, were they new, you might consider your
return/refund options as a ECS motherboard is hardly worth
pulling out any hair to get working.

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Old 09-25-2006, 07:31 PM
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bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
> Yes, I have a fan/heatsink on the CPU.
>
> The fan doesn't move.


Does the fan work in another system? You can do a quick and dirty check
by plugging it into one of the alternate fan headers (case fan, etc) of
a working computer.
>
> I asked the seller, and he said:
> "If you have a speaker attached to the MB it will emit POST beeps to
> let you know what's happening (ie ram bad, video card not seated, etc."
>


If the fan is not spinning, you won't even GET that far.


> Anyone know where to get this speaker?


Almost any small repair shop will sell you one.


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