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Old 08-15-2006, 03:41 AM
toronado455
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Default Fax/Modem which is better? Conexant or Lucent?

I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
Should I prefer one chipset over another?


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Old 08-15-2006, 03:47 AM
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toronado455 wrote:
> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> Should I prefer one chipset over another?


I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one brand
of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.

I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)


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Old 08-15-2006, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: Fax/Modem which is better? Conexant or Lucent?

toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?


Yep.

> Should I prefer one chipset over another?


Nope.



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Old 08-15-2006, 06:15 AM
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paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> toronado455 wrote:
> > I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> > faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> > needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> > Should I prefer one chipset over another?

>
> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one brand
> of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
>
> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)


I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need to spend $40+
on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing? Also, I don't know what fax
software I'm going to use, but I'm probably going to try to use the
WinXP fax software first.


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Old 08-15-2006, 06:35 AM
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toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
> paulmd@efn.org wrote:
>> toronado455 wrote:
>>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
>>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
>>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
>>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?

>>
>> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one
>> brand of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
>>
>> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)


> I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
> to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?


Nope. Waste of time.

> Also, I don't know what fax software I'm going to use, but
> I'm probably going to try to use the WinXP fax software first.




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Old 08-15-2006, 07:03 AM
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Rod Speed wrote:
> toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> >> toronado455 wrote:
> >>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> >>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> >>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> >>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?
> >>
> >> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one
> >> brand of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
> >>
> >> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)

>
> > I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
> > to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?

>
> Nope. Waste of time.
>


What about winmodem vs. hardware modem? I've heard that winmodems,
though worse for data are actually *better* for faxing than hardware
modems. Is that true?


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Old 08-15-2006, 07:25 AM
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toronado455 wrote:
> paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> > toronado455 wrote:
> > > I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> > > faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> > > needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> > > Should I prefer one chipset over another?

> >
> > I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one brand
> > of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
> >
> > I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)

>
> I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need to spend $40+
> on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing? Also, I don't know what fax
> software I'm going to use, but I'm probably going to try to use the
> WinXP fax software first.


For just occasional faxing, any modem that supports fax will do.
However, if you buy quality, you minimize frustration.

HCF, HSF, HSP, Lucent Winmodem, Is about all the same. Based on
minimizing cost more than performance and reliability. But just because
it's based on a cheap chipset doesn't mean it's crap.

Apache makes VERY nice modems based on the conexant chipset.

Aztech makes decent modems, and actually has drivers. But they don't
sell direct. You see their modems inside of Dell computers (and
others).


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Old 08-15-2006, 07:31 AM
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toronado455 wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> > toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> > >> toronado455 wrote:
> > >>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> > >>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> > >>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> > >>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?
> > >>
> > >> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one
> > >> brand of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)

> >
> > > I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
> > > to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?

> >
> > Nope. Waste of time.
> >

>
> What about winmodem vs. hardware modem? I've heard that winmodems,
> though worse for data are actually *better* for faxing than hardware
> modems. Is that true?


Not as I've heard. But faxing happens at 14.4, tops. So is one version
of very slow any worse than another?


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Old 08-15-2006, 08:00 AM
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toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> paulmd@efn.org wrote
>>>> toronado455 wrote


>>>>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
>>>>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
>>>>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
>>>>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?


>>>> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one brand
>>>> of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.


>>>> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)


>>> I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
>>> to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?


>> Nope. Waste of time.


> What about winmodem vs. hardware modem? I've heard
> that winmodems, though worse for data are actually
> *better* for faxing than hardware modems. Is that true?


Yes, they can for example decide that what is at each end can do better
than normal faxes can do and send the 'fax' as a data stream instead.

Corse there have been better alternatives than fax modems for a long time too.



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Old 08-15-2006, 08:08 AM
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On 14 Aug 2006 23:03:04 -0700, "toronado455"
<toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Rod Speed wrote:
>> toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > paulmd@efn.org wrote:
>> >> toronado455 wrote:
>> >>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
>> >>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
>> >>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
>> >>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?
>> >>
>> >> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one
>> >> brand of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)

>>
>> > I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
>> > to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?

>>
>> Nope. Waste of time.
>>

>
>What about winmodem vs. hardware modem? I've heard that winmodems,
>though worse for data are actually *better* for faxing than hardware
>modems. Is that true?



A winmodem is every bit as good for faxing.

Benefit:
Ever so slightly less power and heat
Cheaper

Drawback:
Resident driver, eats up a little memory
Must have driver support for current and future OS

On the other hand if you need the PCI slot for something
else, there's something to be said for USB or serial modems.



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Old 08-15-2006, 09:26 AM
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kony wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2006 23:03:04 -0700, "toronado455"
> <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Rod Speed wrote:
> >> toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> >> >> toronado455 wrote:
> >> >>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
> >> >>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
> >> >>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
> >> >>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?
> >> >>
> >> >> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one
> >> >> brand of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)
> >>
> >> > I've heard US Robotics is the best but do I really need
> >> > to spend $40+ on a modem if all I'm doing is faxing?
> >>
> >> Nope. Waste of time.
> >>

> >
> >What about winmodem vs. hardware modem? I've heard that winmodems,
> >though worse for data are actually *better* for faxing than hardware
> >modems. Is that true?

>
>
> A winmodem is every bit as good for faxing.
>
> Benefit:
> Ever so slightly less power and heat


Also, one less AC adapter to deal with.

> Cheaper
>
> Drawback:
> Resident driver, eats up a little memory
> Must have driver support for current and future OS
>
> On the other hand if you need the PCI slot for something
> else, there's something to be said for USB or serial modems.


Right now I'm more concerned with having less clutter on my desk and
fewer wall-warts on my power strip than using up a PCI slot. I've got
plenty of those.


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Old 08-15-2006, 07:08 PM
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On 15 Aug 2006 01:26:05 -0700, "toronado455"
<toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

>


>Right now I'm more concerned with having less clutter on my desk and
>fewer wall-warts on my power strip than using up a PCI slot. I've got
>plenty of those.



That's not necessarily a winmodem vs hardware issue, there
are hardware PCI modems even though no external winmodems
(except USB which may not need external power).

The one system I have set up for faxing has a winmodem,
don't even remember what kind (maybe a lucent or something,
chipset) and it's done fine for years. I have a spare
external modem or two somewhere but I too don't want the
extra cabling or external box when it isn't necessary (plus,
I already have a box of winmodems, it's not as though I have
to buy more hardware instead of using what I had already).

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Old 08-15-2006, 09:21 PM
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paulmd@efn.org wrote:
> toronado455 wrote:
>> I want to get an internal PCI Fax/Modem just to use for occasional
>> faxing and phone dialing but no dial-up networking at all. It just
>> needs to be competent with faxing. Can I get any cheap <$15 card?
>> Should I prefer one chipset over another?

>
> I like US Robotics Modems, personally. Other than that, it's one brand
> of cheap winmodem vs another. Not much to choose between them.
>
> I'm sure we'll get an opinion war started. :)
>


Yes and not really, but I'd recomend a 3Com/USR brand.

And I had a 1972 Brougham, 455HO :-D

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Old 08-15-2006, 09:46 PM
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Survivor wrote:

>
> It's the software drivers which discriminate between these modems.
>


> Don't overlook your friends' abandoned external fax modems, often
> free.


I've already got one. It's a Mac modem which I've been using with my
older Mac for years. But now I'm wanting to reduce clutter and free up
a spot on my power strip for something else. So that's why I want to go
to an internal and shift fax duties over to the PC.

As for the drivers, I only have experience with the Mac modems I've
used. On the Mac you can just install the appopriate modem script and
then use other software - you are not limited to the software that
comes with the modem. I actually continued to use the fax software from
my first modem (MacComCenter) when I upgraded to a 56K way back when
because the software that came with the 56K (Diamond Supra) was really
lame.

But I have no experience with modem drivers and the PC.


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Old 08-15-2006, 10:02 PM
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kony wrote:

> That's not necessarily a winmodem vs hardware issue


True. Here are a couple cheap ones I'm looking at. Both are internal
PCI.

This one has an Intel chipset and claims to be hardware-based:
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180001

This one has a Motorola chip and is software based:
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180007


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Old 08-16-2006, 01:50 AM
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On 15 Aug 2006 14:02:27 -0700, "toronado455"
<toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>kony wrote:
>
>> That's not necessarily a winmodem vs hardware issue

>
>True. Here are a couple cheap ones I'm looking at. Both are internal
>PCI.
>
>This one has an Intel chipset and claims to be hardware-based:
>http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180001


There are different levels of hardware support for a modem,
one of the most easily distinguished features of a true
(commonly called) hardware modem is that it needs no driver
support, as that is built into even ancient and crude
operating systems). Although some have an *.INF file
called a driver, it is merely a cosmetic identification
measure, not necessary to get it to work.

This one though, has a winmodem driver, 350K or larger
download (depending on OS) rather than a ~5K INF file.
http://www.encore-usa.com/Drivers/EN..._Driver_XP.zip


Looks like a winmodem to me, and one that costs slightly
more due to having the audio functionality/jacks on it. If
you want jacks, ok, but if not then you can save a couple
bucks and get one that's even smaller (useful if you want
best airflow to cards above, like a video card).


>
>This one has a Motorola chip and is software based:
>http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180007



That'd work too, but there was a time when Lucent (Agere)
had the best drivers so I'd probably go with this one,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825180008
Things change though, maybe the others' drivers are as good
today but it may not even matter, it is only for faxing...

The following is a hardware PCI modem for example,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825104131



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Old 08-16-2006, 07:31 AM
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WindsorFox wrote:
>I had a 1972 Brougham, 455HO :-D


Right on. That's front wheel drive *old school*. :-)


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Old 08-16-2006, 08:20 AM
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Survivor wrote:

> If your extenal Mac modem uses a standard serial port connection, then
> it WILL work with a PC. All you would need to do is download a PC
> driver.


My Diamond Supra Express 56K has a hard wired Mac serial cable (small
round 8-pin). I don't see how that would interface with a PC. But my
older Mac modem is a Magnum 288 (like a generic Hayes style) that IIRC
has a wide connector on the back that theoretically would allow the
cable to be swapped out with something that would work with a PC.
Something to keep in mind, but for now I'm more interested in cutting
down on external device clutter than retrofitting Mac modems to work
with PCs. Especially for something that I use so seldom such as faxing
- a technology that I honestly can't understand why it's still in use
at all - but which every so often is required.


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Old 08-16-2006, 08:46 AM
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kony wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2006 14:02:27 -0700, "toronado455"
> <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >kony wrote:
> >
> >> That's not necessarily a winmodem vs hardware issue

> >
> >True. Here are a couple cheap ones I'm looking at. Both are internal
> >PCI.
> >
> >This one has an Intel chipset and claims to be hardware-based:
> >http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180001

>
> There are different levels of hardware support for a modem,
> one of the most easily distinguished features of a true
> (commonly called) hardware modem is that it needs no driver
> support, as that is built into even ancient and crude
> operating systems). Although some have an *.INF file
> called a driver, it is merely a cosmetic identification
> measure, not necessary to get it to work.
>
> This one though, has a winmodem driver, 350K or larger
> download (depending on OS) rather than a ~5K INF file.
> http://www.encore-usa.com/Drivers/EN..._Driver_XP.zip
>
>
> Looks like a winmodem to me, and one that costs slightly
> more due to having the audio functionality/jacks on it. If
> you want jacks, ok, but if not then you can save a couple
> bucks and get one that's even smaller (useful if you want
> best airflow to cards above, like a video card).
>
>
> >
> >This one has a Motorola chip and is software based:
> >http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16825180007

>
>
> That'd work too, but there was a time when Lucent (Agere)
> had the best drivers so I'd probably go with this one,
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825180008
> Things change though, maybe the others' drivers are as good
> today but it may not even matter, it is only for faxing...
>
> The following is a hardware PCI modem for example,
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16825104131


So basically a *real* hard modem isn't going to be $9. That makes
sense. Thanks for the info. I'll probably go for that Agere one.


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Old 08-22-2006, 06:45 AM
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Update. I saw two modems with the "Hummingbird" brand at Fry's.

One is designated a "Controllerless" modem and has the Agere chip and
costs $15.
http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ha56c.htm

The other one has the Smartlink chip and is $13.
http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ms56s.htm

Question: What does "controllerless" mean?

The Taicom web site is very poorly designed. Based on that alone I
don't want to buy either one of those.

And here is one I'm considering that is available on Directron:
http://www.phoebemicro.com/products/LUNAR_EXPRESST.php


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Old 08-22-2006, 08:28 AM
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On 21 Aug 2006 22:45:36 -0700, "toronado455"
<toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Update. I saw two modems with the "Hummingbird" brand at Fry's.
>
>One is designated a "Controllerless" modem and has the Agere chip and
>costs $15.
>http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ha56c.htm
>
>The other one has the Smartlink chip and is $13.
>http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ms56s.htm
>
>Question: What does "controllerless" mean?
>
>The Taicom web site is very poorly designed. Based on that alone I
>don't want to buy either one of those.
>
>And here is one I'm considering that is available on Directron:
>http://www.phoebemicro.com/products/LUNAR_EXPRESST.php



IMO, you are splitting hairs, they're all pretty similar and
only $10 or so. Once upon a time, how much hardware assist
it had mattered more as CPUs were slower, but today it's
more a matter of entire hardware modem (thus supports all
operating systems) or winmodem (only windows support though
main now have Linux drivers too... you'll have to research
that for any particular chipset if it's important).

I wouldn't be concerned about the Taicom web site though,
the modem itself is probably extremely similar to the
phoebemicro link you posted next... and in general, you
would be better off with a chipset supported by the chipset
manufacturer, as an unknown/generic/relabeled chip might be
harder to find drivers for later (for Windows Vista, for
example, if Vista didn't happen to have winmodem support
which it might for the most popular chips).

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What does "controllerless" mean?
Another term for a soft modem or Winmodem; in other words the 'controller' is a piece of software in the driver rather than a dedicated chip on the modem.

Go with Lucent/Agere (same brand) if you just want basic fax support, in my humble experience the drivers tend to be more stable. Intel modems are crap, whether hardware or software.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:39 AM
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toronado455 <toronado455@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Update. I saw two modems with the "Hummingbird" brand at Fry's.


> One is designated a "Controllerless" modem
> and has the Agere chip and costs $15.
> http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ha56c.htm


> The other one has the Smartlink chip and is $13.
> http://www.taicom.com/cpebu1/product/modem/ms56s.htm


Its pointless obsessing about items that are that cheap, they'll both work fine.

> Question: What does "controllerless" mean?


That is what handles the AT commands etc that you dont
even see anymore. Very reasonable way to do a modem.

> The Taicom web site is very poorly designed. Based
> on that alone I don't want to buy either one of those.


Thats a lousy way to choose a modem now that the technology is so mature.

> And here is one I'm considering that is available on Directron:
> http://www.phoebemicro.com/products/LUNAR_EXPRESST.php


Either of the first two are fine.



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