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Old 11-12-2007, 02:49 PM
Beemer
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Default Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work

I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I know
about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to "minimal
power management".

However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency below
2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.

The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.

Hope someone can help

regards,

Beemer



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Old 11-12-2007, 03:33 PM
Paul
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work

Beemer wrote:
> I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I know
> about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to "minimal
> power management".
>
> However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
> Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency below
> 2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.
>
> The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.
>
> Hope someone can help
>
> regards,
>
> Beemer
>


ACPI is also part of the story.

Maybe you could check, how some other tools respond to your setup.
RMClock, for example, is supposed to be able to do things similar
to CNQ. When I used RMClock, it adds an entry to the control
panel that shows the "minimal power management", and I guess that
is how it gets hooked into the power management stuff.

http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml (description)
http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml (download)

Another possibility, is something is fooling the system into
thinking it is loaded.

Paul

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Old 11-12-2007, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work


"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:fh9rp0$9pq$1@aioe.org...
> Beemer wrote:
>> I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I know
>> about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to "minimal
>> power management".
>>
>> However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
>> Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency below
>> 2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.
>>
>> The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.
>>
>> Hope someone can help
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Beemer

>
> ACPI is also part of the story.
>
> Maybe you could check, how some other tools respond to your setup.
> RMClock, for example, is supposed to be able to do things similar
> to CNQ. When I used RMClock, it adds an entry to the control
> panel that shows the "minimal power management", and I guess that
> is how it gets hooked into the power management stuff.
>
> http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml (description)
> http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml (download)
>
> Another possibility, is something is fooling the system into
> thinking it is loaded.
>
> Paul
>

Paul,

thanks I'll check out the links. ECS technical support forms are not being
accepted at this time.

regards,

Beemer



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Old 11-12-2007, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work


"Beemer" <Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:dv%Zi.46291$c_1.11391@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>
> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:fh9rp0$9pq$1@aioe.org...
>> Beemer wrote:
>>> I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I
>>> know about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to
>>> "minimal power management".
>>>
>>> However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
>>> Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency below
>>> 2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.
>>>
>>> The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.
>>>
>>> Hope someone can help
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Beemer

>>
>> ACPI is also part of the story.
>>
>> Maybe you could check, how some other tools respond to your setup.
>> RMClock, for example, is supposed to be able to do things similar
>> to CNQ. When I used RMClock, it adds an entry to the control
>> panel that shows the "minimal power management", and I guess that
>> is how it gets hooked into the power management stuff.
>>
>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml (description)
>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml (download)
>>
>> Another possibility, is something is fooling the system into
>> thinking it is loaded.
>>
>> Paul
>>

> Paul,
>
> thanks I'll check out the links. ECS technical support forms are not
> being accepted at this time.
>
> regards,
>
> Beemer


Paul,



Your suggestion to use RM CPU Clock Utility worked. It looks like CNQ for
some reason is not able to pick up on the OS power management setting of
"minimal power management. When I set this to on in RM Clock the CPU
throttled back as I expected. Many thanks for your help.



Regards,



Beemer





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Old 11-12-2007, 08:00 PM
kony
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:12:39 GMT, "Beemer"
<Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>"Beemer" <Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:dv%Zi.46291$c_1.11391@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>
>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:fh9rp0$9pq$1@aioe.org...
>>> Beemer wrote:
>>>> I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I
>>>> know about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to
>>>> "minimal power management".
>>>>
>>>> However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
>>>> Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency below
>>>> 2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.
>>>>
>>>> The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.
>>>>
>>>> Hope someone can help
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Beemer
>>>
>>> ACPI is also part of the story.
>>>
>>> Maybe you could check, how some other tools respond to your setup.
>>> RMClock, for example, is supposed to be able to do things similar
>>> to CNQ. When I used RMClock, it adds an entry to the control
>>> panel that shows the "minimal power management", and I guess that
>>> is how it gets hooked into the power management stuff.
>>>
>>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml (description)
>>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml (download)
>>>
>>> Another possibility, is something is fooling the system into
>>> thinking it is loaded.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>

>> Paul,
>>
>> thanks I'll check out the links. ECS technical support forms are not
>> being accepted at this time.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Beemer

>
>Paul,
>
>
>
>Your suggestion to use RM CPU Clock Utility worked. It looks like CNQ for
>some reason is not able to pick up on the OS power management setting of
>"minimal power management. When I set this to on in RM Clock the CPU
>throttled back as I expected. Many thanks for your help.


I wonder if the heatsink is poor, if it isn't mating very
well with the processor, if the motherboard isn't reporting
temps correctly (accurately), or if you have a very high
ambient temp or poor case ventilation.

I've a A64 4000+ here that didn't idle over (I forget the
exact figure as it was soon thereafter, overclocked) about
40C, and even overclocked it never reaches 60C. It is
quietly cooled with an Arctic Freezer Pro 64 (think that's
the correct name) which costs roughly $20-25 and is
reasonably quiet running at full power, made even quieter if
your motherboard has it's own fan control circuit which it
would seem to since you wrote that the rise in CPU temp
makes the fan noise bad (otherwise getting CPU temp down
wouldn't change the fan speed/noise).

If the motherboard is reporting CPU temp wrong you might
check on a bios update for the board, hoping they had
corrected such a flaw. Otherwise you might pull heatsink
off and clean off original thermal interface material and
reapply a fresh thin coat of grease, and if the case needs
alterations for better airflow, that too.

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Old 11-14-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work


"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:12:39 GMT, "Beemer"
> <Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Beemer" <Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:dv%Zi.46291$c_1.11391@text.news.blueyonder. co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fh9rp0$9pq$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Beemer wrote:
>>>>> I have used Cool'n'quiet with this AMD54 4000+ processor before so I
>>>>> know about the cpudriver.exe file and setting control panel power to
>>>>> "minimal power management".
>>>>>
>>>>> However with my new motherboard, same processor and bios set for
>>>>> Cool'n'quiet Auto, I cannot get CNQ to reduce processor frequency
>>>>> below
>>>>> 2400MHz and 1.5V as shown by AMD Power Monitor.
>>>>>
>>>>> The processor is running at 66C and the fan noise is killing me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope someone can help
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Beemer
>>>>
>>>> ACPI is also part of the story.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could check, how some other tools respond to your setup.
>>>> RMClock, for example, is supposed to be able to do things similar
>>>> to CNQ. When I used RMClock, it adds an entry to the control
>>>> panel that shows the "minimal power management", and I guess that
>>>> is how it gets hooked into the power management stuff.
>>>>
>>>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml (description)
>>>> http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml (download)
>>>>
>>>> Another possibility, is something is fooling the system into
>>>> thinking it is loaded.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> thanks I'll check out the links. ECS technical support forms are not
>>> being accepted at this time.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Beemer

>>
>>Paul,
>>
>>
>>
>>Your suggestion to use RM CPU Clock Utility worked. It looks like CNQ for
>>some reason is not able to pick up on the OS power management setting of
>>"minimal power management. When I set this to on in RM Clock the CPU
>>throttled back as I expected. Many thanks for your help.

>
> I wonder if the heatsink is poor, if it isn't mating very
> well with the processor, if the motherboard isn't reporting
> temps correctly (accurately), or if you have a very high
> ambient temp or poor case ventilation.
>
> I've a A64 4000+ here that didn't idle over (I forget the
> exact figure as it was soon thereafter, overclocked) about
> 40C, and even overclocked it never reaches 60C. It is
> quietly cooled with an Arctic Freezer Pro 64 (think that's
> the correct name) which costs roughly $20-25 and is
> reasonably quiet running at full power, made even quieter if
> your motherboard has it's own fan control circuit which it
> would seem to since you wrote that the rise in CPU temp
> makes the fan noise bad (otherwise getting CPU temp down
> wouldn't change the fan speed/noise).
>
> If the motherboard is reporting CPU temp wrong you might
> check on a bios update for the board, hoping they had
> corrected such a flaw. Otherwise you might pull heatsink
> off and clean off original thermal interface material and
> reapply a fresh thin coat of grease, and if the case needs
> alterations for better airflow, that too.
>

Kony,

thanks for your FB. AMD64 4000+ is seated well and has evenly spread
compound. As it is currently throttling with RM Clock I'm leaving
everthing as it is. However I'm wondering about your comment on
overclocking. I thought that this processor (mine is a Sledgehammer) is
locked against overclocking unlike its big brother the FX?

beemer



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Old 11-14-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: Help: ECS KN1 LSI AMD64 cannot get Cool'n'quiet to work

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:39:52 GMT, "Beemer"
<Beemer@nowhere.com> wrote:


>Kony,
>
>thanks for your FB. AMD64 4000+ is seated well and has evenly spread
>compound. As it is currently throttling with RM Clock I'm leaving
>everthing as it is. However I'm wondering about your comment on
>overclocking. I thought that this processor (mine is a Sledgehammer) is
>locked against overclocking unlike its big brother the FX?
>
>beemer
>


Being multiplier locked doesn't mean you can't overclock,
Google for some guides.

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