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Old 12-02-2007, 10:45 PM
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Default which monitor is better?

which one is better

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007

and if you know of any that have around the same specs for around the
same price please let me know.

thanks in advance.

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Old 12-02-2007, 10:55 PM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> which one is better
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007


Hrm... Better try that again



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Old 12-02-2007, 11:04 PM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> which one is better
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007
>
> and if you know of any that have around the same specs for around
> the
> same price please let me know.
>
> thanks in advance.



Neither since both links fail. Ain't Google Grouping grand, uh huh.


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Old 12-02-2007, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: which monitor is better?

sorry about that

here are the fixed links

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007

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Old 12-02-2007, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: which monitor is better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009126
peter
"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry about that
>
> here are the fixed links
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007




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Old 12-02-2007, 11:53 PM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry about that
>
> here are the fixed links
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007
>



I have a KDS monitor and my gf has a Sceptre X

I'd rate the KDS monitor as *excellent*

But the Sceptre X I'd probably give a *superior* rating to.


Of course we do not have the exact models you've given links to...
but have at least similar models.


With NewEgg you can't go too far wrong though as they will take it back if
you don't like it

(minus a small restocking fee)




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Old 12-03-2007, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: which monitor is better?

rob wrote:
> which one is better
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007
>
> and if you know of any that have around the same specs for around the
> same price please let me know.
>
> thanks in advance.


Those links are hosed. This is what I'm guessing you intended:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007

I don't have any personal experience with either monitor, but their
specs are nearly identical. Customer reviews are similar as well.

The most common complaint about the KDS is that the monitor stand is
poorly constructed and non-functional at certain angles. Some people
complained that the Sceptre has no adjustment, even thought it's listed
at having Tilt.

Both monitors have complaints about light bleed, but that's true for
nearly every monitor out there.

Focusing on the "Cons" sections of the reviews, the Sceptre appears to
have more and more varied complaints, but that's really just a result of
it having 20x the reviews. Overall it has a higher rating.

To sum up, I don't have any personal experience, but going from the
specs and reviews, I would rate them nearly identical.

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Old 12-03-2007, 12:27 AM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry about that
>
> here are the fixed links
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007



I have heard of KDS but, not the other one. Wal-Mart had KDS a couple of
years ago, maybe they still do. If so, buy it, try it, easy to bring back if
not happy.

RK



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Old 12-03-2007, 12:45 AM
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On Dec 2, 6:52 pm, "peter" <pet...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009126
> peter"rob" <rob1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:43a08dcc-2a08-40a0-9bad-6bab6f6df39a@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > sorry about that

>
> > here are the fixed links

>
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007


wow thanks that one is better for only a few more bucks i get a better
contrast ratio, dvi cable, and a 3 year warranty. this one wins so far

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Old 12-03-2007, 02:46 AM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry about that
>
> here are the fixed links
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007


At least the KDS doesn't LIE about being 1080p.

You CAN'T do 1080p on a monitor with only 1050 lines of resolution.



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Old 12-03-2007, 05:32 AM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sorry about that
>
> here are the fixed links
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007



You might want to visit the manufacturer's web sites to see if they
let you download the manuals for the models in which you are
interested. These are almost identical by specifications but you
might find one has better features in the monitor's setup (i.e., its
menu) than the other. For example, if you have games that don't
support widescreen monitors (so they look squashed), and instead of
having to wade around inside the software for your video card, some
LCD monitors have an aspect setting so you can select it from the
monitor. Then you could switch to 4:3 for that game that wants a
square screen.

Also determine if you are going to use the analog (RGB) connect or the
digital input (DVI). With analog, you get more settings enabled in
the monitor's menu, like sharpness, but you might not have to bother
with those when using the DVI input. peter already showed yet another
similar monitor which includes the DVI cable for $10 more (although
newegg has them for that, or less).

The monitors you listed included an audio cable. You will be
EXTREMELY disappointed with the tiny monitor speaker(s). They're
lousy even if you try using them as a less critical center channel.
The speaker in your radio alarm clock far surpasses what you'll get
from the LCD monitor's speakers.


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Old 12-03-2007, 05:39 AM
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Oh, and by the way, have you read Newegg's return policy regarding LCD
monitors? You can't return them unless 8, or more, pixels are dead.
Just 1 dead pixel is way too many for me. Once you notice them,
you'll always notice them, like looking at a pimple on the nose of an
otherwise perfect face. That's why I pay maybe $30 more to get the
monitor at a retail store which has a return policy that lets me
return for just 1 dead pixel. Newegg may take the LCD monitor back
for exchange (not refund) if there are less than 8 dead pixels but
remember that they published their policy and can enforce it.

http://www.newegg.com/CustomerServic...nPolicy.asp#21

This is not something unique to Newegg to punish their customers.
Expect if from all online vendors (i.e., read or call them regarding
their return policy on dead pixels).


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Old 12-03-2007, 11:40 AM
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"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 2, 6:52 pm, "peter" <pet...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009126
>> peter"rob" <rob1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:43a08dcc-2a08-40a0-9bad-6bab6f6df39a@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > sorry about that

>>
>> > here are the fixed links

>>
>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007

>
> wow thanks that one is better for only a few more bucks i get a better
> contrast ratio, dvi cable, and a 3 year warranty. this one wins so far


Its still a pointless widescreen though - same vertical resolution as a
standard 17"!



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Old 12-03-2007, 02:57 PM
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:45:43 -0800 (PST), rob
<rob1101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 2, 6:52 pm, "peter" <pet...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009126
>> peter"rob" <rob1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:43a08dcc-2a08-40a0-9bad-6bab6f6df39a@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > sorry about that

>>
>> > here are the fixed links

>>
>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
>> >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007

>
>wow thanks that one is better for only a few more bucks i get a better
>contrast ratio, dvi cable, and a 3 year warranty. this one wins so far



They're all more alike than different... might even have the
same panel inside as the latter is going to have such higher
contrast through dynamic changes, which if the feature is
enabled makes it harder to calibrate the monitor.

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Old 12-03-2007, 02:58 PM
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:53:26 -0600, "philo"
<philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>
>"rob" <rob1101@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43a08dcc-2a08-40a0-9bad-6bab6f6df39a@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> sorry about that
>>
>> here are the fixed links
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824155051
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112007
>>

>
>
>I have a KDS monitor and my gf has a Sceptre X
>
>I'd rate the KDS monitor as *excellent*
>
>But the Sceptre X I'd probably give a *superior* rating to.
>
>
>Of course we do not have the exact models you've given links to...
>but have at least similar models.
>
>
>With NewEgg you can't go too far wrong though as they will take it back if
>you don't like it
>
>(minus a small restocking fee)


Often Newegg is more restrictive about LCD panels than other
parts, it can sometimes require seeking resolution through
the manufacturer. Plus their dead pixel policy is worse
than many, believe it's 8 required for rejection.

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Old 12-04-2007, 08:30 PM
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"kony" wrote in message
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>
> rob wrote:
>>
>>wow thanks that one is better for only a few more bucks i get a
>>better
>>contrast ratio, dvi cable, and a 3 year warranty. this one wins so
>>far

>
> They're all more alike than different... might even have the
> same panel inside as the latter is going to have such higher
> contrast through dynamic changes, which if the feature is
> enabled makes it harder to calibrate the monitor.



I've found that the overdrive feature (by many different names) to
supposedly boost the contrast is a wasted feature and misleading. On
every LCD monitor that I've viewed with this feature - which is only
to pump up the *dynamic* contrast ratio so marketing can hype the
bogus value - it washes out the contrast rather than improve on it.
Contrast becomes so high that toolbars that had gradient coloring turn
out with solid colors and those with just slightly differently hued
background end up all looking to have a white background. When
getting an LCD monitor, check on its *raw* contrast ratio. Ignore the
dynamic value fabricated by marketers to make the number look higher.
Unless you are always looking at pretty pictures of multi-colored
flowers, the overdriven contrast looks worse, and the contrast only
looks better for the flowers because less colors are shown so
obviously there will be more contrast between the colors that are
left.

Display a grid showing thousands of different shades of gray. With
overdriven contrast, a vast majority of those shades will disappear or
there will be no differentiation so the blocks become larger. The
less difference between raw and dynamic contrast the better. Oooh,
2000:1 dynamic. I'd rather get one with 1000:1 raw than one that was
overdriven to 3000:1 dynamic from 700:1 raw. Because many LCD
manufacturers don't want you to know how low is their raw contrast
ratio, you might not find it listed in their specs. Be leery if they
don't list their raw contrast ratio. Some won't even let you know if
they are quoting the raw or dynamic contrast ratio but then some don't
bother with contrast overdrive.

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/shmontrast.htm
http://www.mediacollege.com/video/te...grayscale.html
http://www.design215.com/toolbox/grayscale.php

See if there is a difference between non-overdriven and overdriven
contrast modes (i.e., raw versus dynamic contrast). The problem with
charts is that they deliberately shown differentiation between the
bars so a user can be misled into thinking that the next bar is shown
correctly versus looking exactly like the bar previous or after it.
The contrast overdrive can result in a display very similar to ramping
up the contrast setting towards 100%: grays get washed out.

When my CRT died, yeah, I went with a LCD monitor. I really miss my
old CRT (brighter, better color saturation, faster, no degradation of
sharpness for non-native resolution, equal dispersal of same color
across the entire screen, deeper black, no faint bleed-thru at the
bottom for the light tube, no dead pixels at the start or later, and
more). Just couldn't find a CRT for *immediate* replacement when my
old one died. CRT manufacture is getting phased out. Guess the
profit margin is higher for LCDs.


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