On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:21:18 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:14 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:40:32 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>
>>>Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
>>>too old: version 4.34.20.18.
>>
>>
>>So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
>>to determine what bios it should have?
>
>At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
>Sandra ois correct...
>
That's not what I asked.
>The results GooGle give me, suggest a few ppl have found it, but
>cannot point me to the source.
>The only reactions are those that circumvent the question with a dust
>cloud of info beside the point, like places to find a BIOS editor...
>
>I Flashes other BIOSes... but those I have been able to find....
Why?
Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
expressed any need to do it?
>>Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
>>you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
>>other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
>>a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you
>
>maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...
.... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
bios.
>
>>
>>Best advice is ignore sandra and leave the bios alone.
>
>So: where would YOU think I could find updated BIOSes for an original
>NVIDA GeForce FX 5200 ?
I'm not going to spend the time because you're still
confused.
There is no reason to change the bios.
Sisoft Sandra is not an authority on need-to-change-a-bios.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:05:50 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:21:18 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:14 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:40:32 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
>>>>too old: version 4.34.20.18.
>>>
>>>
>>>So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
>>>to determine what bios it should have?
>>
>>At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
>>Sandra ois correct...
>>
>
>That's not what I asked.
>
>
True, but manufacturers often "change opinion" by releasing new
BIOSes.
So, to check Sanda's suggestion with themanufacturer, I want to find
is there is a new BIOS..
>
>
>
>>The results GooGle give me, suggest a few ppl have found it, but
>>cannot point me to the source.
>>The only reactions are those that circumvent the question with a dust
>>cloud of info beside the point, like places to find a BIOS editor...
>>
>>I Flashes other BIOSes... but those I have been able to find....
>
>Why?
>Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
>expressed any need to do it?
>
>
Ummmmm why would I have to express NEED ?
I just want to know and ask for help.
>
>>>Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
>>>you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
>>>other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
>>>a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you
>>
>>maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...
>
>... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
>bios.
well, another factor determining "reason" here is my curiosity in this
matter, which "desperately" needs fullfillment (?) :-)
And the desire to stay up to date on software. I update my WinXP,
Office, tools... everything. So why exclude BIOSes ?
Id a BIOS maker issues a new release, He'll have good reason. Maybe
not the reason that fits for ME, but then, do I want to get into the
details ? nooooo, I just update and FEEL good.
Rationality is not only defined by cognition.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Best advice is ignore sandra and leave the bios alone.
>>
>>So: where would YOU think I could find updated BIOSes for an original
>>NVIDA GeForce FX 5200 ?
>
>
>I'm not going to spend the time because you're still
>confused.
That is ok, of course.
But I keep my original question, where I can find a newer BIOS,
posted...
And no confusion there, I think.
>
>There is no reason to change the bios.
>Sisoft Sandra is not an authority on need-to-change-a-bios.
Hm, it all sounds like:
Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
Osiris wrote:
> Hm, it all sounds like:
> Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
> You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
Pathetic, really.
He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
>Osiris wrote:
>> Hm, it all sounds like:
>> Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
>> You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
>
>Pathetic, really.
>
>He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
>
I'm not religious.
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From: "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: BIOS Geforce fx5200 too old
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Osiris wrote:
> Hm, it all sounds like:
> Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
> You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
Pathetic, really.
He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
> Osiris wrote:
>> Hm, it all sounds like:
>> Me: "I want a new car, I'm tired of this one, I like a red one now."
>> You: "You won't get a new car, because this one is still good"
>
> Pathetic, really.
>
> He's actually saying that Sandra aint necessarily gospel, stupid.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:05:53 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:05:50 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:21:18 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:14 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:40:32 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
>>>>>too old: version 4.34.20.18.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
>>>>to determine what bios it should have?
>>>
>>>At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
>>>Sandra ois correct...
>>>
>>
>>That's not what I asked.
>>
>>
>
>True, but manufacturers often "change opinion" by releasing new
>BIOSes.
No, they don't.
They release a bios with their branding which has an
incremented number to reflect a change from the reference,
OR to reflect a change in the hardware on the card.
For example, they get a deal on some faster memory-
different bios version will have different memory timings.
You don't want that bios on your card if your card doesn't
have the (different) memory on it.
>So, to check Sanda's suggestion with themanufacturer, I want to find
>is there is a new BIOS..
Again, Sandra is not an authority on video card bios.
If you had no reason to get a new bios before Sandra, you
still don't.
>>Why?
>>Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
>>expressed any need to do it?
>>
>>
>Ummmmm why would I have to express NEED ?
Do you often do senseless things?
Better question, what do you hope to gain?
With no reason, it would be madness.
By reason I mean a video card operating state reason, not a
"I was told by Sandra", reason.
>I just want to know and ask for help.
First you need to spend the time determining exactly what
FX5200 you have. We can't just link a bios because we can't
ID the card that only you have. Different FX5200 will have
a different bios because the card is different. BIOS aren't
just generically updated for the same card like the drivers
are, one bios version is meant to stay on the card for it's
life unless there were a very rare problem with it... and
even then, nVidia would sooner patch in the driver than have
people flashing new bios to their card.
>
>>
>>>>Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
>>>>you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
>>>>other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
>>>>a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you
>>>
>>>maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...
>>
>>... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
>>bios.
>
>well, another factor determining "reason" here is my curiosity in this
>matter, which "desperately" needs fullfillment (?) :-)
Curious of what?
How to change one?
Curious if you can find one?
If you just want a copy of the bios for safekeeping, get the
nVidia flasher and backup the copy already on the card, not
something randomly found on the 'net.
>And the desire to stay up to date on software. I update my WinXP,
>Office, tools... everything. So why exclude BIOSes ?
Because it's not the same thing, and it would likewise be
madness to update any other software when there was no
expectation of any benefit.
>Id a BIOS maker issues a new release, He'll have good reason.
Yes, because it's for a different card, or the same card but
the number was incremented when the manufacturer branded it,
or some rare incompatibility with a motherboard, etc. In
other words, only if you have a problem.
You are guessing without experience. You would do well not
to guess, if your card needed a different bios you'd know
it. If your card manufactruer felt you might benefit it'd
be linked on their product download page.
>Maybe
>not the reason that fits for ME, but then, do I want to get into the
>details ? nooooo, I just update and FEEL good.
You are very strange.
>
>Rationality is not only defined by cognition.
Sanity is doing what seems beneficial, not random risks with
no expected benefit.
If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this, then FIRST
learn how to identify your card completely, it's specs, then
learn how to find the right bios.
When you can do those two things, maybe you're ready to
waste time actually updating the bios on it. To do it
merely because Sandra said it was old is just a sign you
aren't experienced enough using Sandra. It is a generic
tool, not your personal guide to changing things.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:32:00 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:05:53 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:05:50 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:21:18 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:07:14 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:40:32 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sandra2007 complains that the BIOS of my GeForce FX 5200 video card is
>>>>>>too old: version 4.34.20.18.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So do you trust Sandra more than the maker of the video card
>>>>>to determine what bios it should have?
>>>>
>>>>At boot up, the BIOS reports the same version.
>>>>Sandra ois correct...
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's not what I asked.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>True, but manufacturers often "change opinion" by releasing new
>>BIOSes.
>
>No, they don't.
>They release a bios with their branding which has an
>incremented number to reflect a change from the reference,
>OR to reflect a change in the hardware on the card.
>
>For example, they get a deal on some faster memory-
>different bios version will have different memory timings.
>You don't want that bios on your card if your card doesn't
>have the (different) memory on it.
>
>
>
>>So, to check Sanda's suggestion with themanufacturer, I want to find
>>is there is a new BIOS..
>
>
>Again, Sandra is not an authority on video card bios.
>If you had no reason to get a new bios before Sandra, you
>still don't.
>
>
>
>>>Why?
>>>Why are you changing your video card bios when you have not
>>>expressed any need to do it?
>>>
>>>
>>Ummmmm why would I have to express NEED ?
>
>Do you often do senseless things?
Not easy to define "sense"... But I went into that already.
>Better question, what do you hope to gain?
>With no reason, it would be madness.
>By reason I mean a video card operating state reason, not a
>"I was told by Sandra", reason.
It is not because Sandra "told" me... Sandra "suggests".
>
>
>>I just want to know and ask for help.
>
>First you need to spend the time determining exactly what
>FX5200 you have. We can't just link a bios because we can't
>ID the card that only you have. Different FX5200 will have
>a different bios because the card is different. BIOS aren't
>just generically updated for the same card like the drivers
>are, one bios version is meant to stay on the card for it's
>life unless there were a very rare problem with it... and
>even then, nVidia would sooner patch in the driver than have
>people flashing new bios to their card.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>Except, you have no reason to update your card bios unless
>>>>>you know of a specific problem with the card that a newer or
>>>>>other different bios would solve. Otherwise, there's seldom
>>>>>a point, it's just a wasted effort and a risk unless you
>>>>
>>>>maybe, but MY effort and MY risk...
>>>
>>>... which is reasonable if there is a purpose to change the
>>>bios.
>>
>>well, another factor determining "reason" here is my curiosity in this
>>matter, which "desperately" needs fullfillment (?) :-)
>
>Curious of what?
>How to change one?
>Curious if you can find one?
>If you just want a copy of the bios for safekeeping, get the
>nVidia flasher and backup the copy already on the card, not
>something randomly found on the 'net.
>
>
>>And the desire to stay up to date on software. I update my WinXP,
>>Office, tools... everything. So why exclude BIOSes ?
>
>Because it's not the same thing, and it would likewise be
>madness to update any other software when there was no
>expectation of any benefit.
>
>
>>Id a BIOS maker issues a new release, He'll have good reason.
>
>Yes, because it's for a different card, or the same card but
>the number was incremented when the manufacturer branded it,
>or some rare incompatibility with a motherboard, etc. In
>other words, only if you have a problem.
>
Yes, many reasons possible...
>You are guessing without experience. You would do well not
>to guess, if your card needed a different bios you'd know
>it. If your card manufactruer felt you might benefit it'd
>be linked on their product download page.
>
>
>>Maybe
>>not the reason that fits for ME, but then, do I want to get into the
>>details ? nooooo, I just update and FEEL good.
>
>You are very strange.
>
Besides being a mechanical engineer and software developer, I am a
philosopher too... well, finishing my study, anyway, in a few months,
hopefully :-) That should explain...
>>
>>Rationality is not only defined by cognition.
>
>Sanity is doing what seems beneficial, not random risks with
>no expected benefit.
define beneficial... not easy.
>
>If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this, then FIRST
>learn how to identify your card completely, it's specs, then
>learn how to find the right bios.
>
I know that.
>When you can do those two things, maybe you're ready to
>waste time actually updating the bios on it. To do it
>merely because Sandra said it was old is just a sign you
>aren't experienced enough using Sandra. It is a generic
>tool, not your personal guide to changing things.
>
Not many "people" tell me what to do: I may follow advice, just may...
And if I do, not many people stop me.
To be clear: Your advice is (or sounds) very sound, but it addresses
only part of the issues at hand. One of them being me ;-)
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:36:55 +0200, Osiris <> wrote:
>>Sanity is doing what seems beneficial, not random risks with
>>no expected benefit.
>
>define beneficial... not easy.
This is getting ridiculous.
You have no reasonable expectation that changing the card
bios will serve any good purpose. Easy or hard, it doesn't
matter, even if you could snap your fingers and have a
different bios version instantly flashing to the card, it
would be a wasted snap.
>
>>
>>If you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do this, then FIRST
>>learn how to identify your card completely, it's specs, then
>>learn how to find the right bios.
>>
>
>I know that.
Then why didn't you already?
>
>>When you can do those two things, maybe you're ready to
>>waste time actually updating the bios on it. To do it
>>merely because Sandra said it was old is just a sign you
>>aren't experienced enough using Sandra. It is a generic
>>tool, not your personal guide to changing things.
>>
>
>Not many "people" tell me what to do: I may follow advice, just may...
>And if I do, not many people stop me.
>
>
>To be clear: Your advice is (or sounds) very sound, but it addresses
>only part of the issues at hand. One of them being me ;-)
There's only one issue- you have no need to change the bios
and there is no justification or expectation of it being
anything but a possible risk to the card.
But hey, go ahead and do it but don't expect us to hunt down
a bios when you didn't even post the bare minimum manditory
things- EXACTLY what card you have. FX5200 is not a card,
it's a family of cards based on a particular GPU.
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