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Old 07-26-2006, 06:29 PM
kony
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:15:40 +0100, Archie <no@com.com>
wrote:

>Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope of a regular
>keyboard? One web page says this:
>
>------------------ BEGIN QUOTE -----------------
>"angle of the keyboard relative to the angle of the wrist. Most
>keyboards slope upwards from front to back, and this means that users
>bend their hands upwards when they are typing on the keyboard. This
>posture is called wrist extension, and we know that it is a source of
>injury risk for the wrist. Once the hand is extended beyond about a 15
>upward angle, there is a very significant increase in the compression on
>the median nerve and other structures inside the wrist. So it is
>extremely important to type with the hands as flat as possible.
>
>From <http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/AHTutorials/ckd.htm>
>------------------ END QUOTE --------------------
>
>Which I interpret as being zero to 15 degrees. But my Compaq keyboard
>permits either:
>
> (1) flat or maybe 5 degrees
> (2) about 30 to 35 degrees.



1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who can't type and
need to see the keys best. The normal keyboard position is
almost flat for someone who can type.

2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be. If
it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair
height.

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Old 07-26-2006, 07:06 PM
Rod Speed
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kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
> Archie <no@com.com> wrote


>> Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope
>> of a regular keyboard? One web page says this:


>> ------------------ BEGIN QUOTE -----------------
>> "angle of the keyboard relative to the angle of the wrist. Most
>> keyboards slope upwards from front to back, and this means that users
>> bend their hands upwards when they are typing on the keyboard. This
>> posture is called wrist extension, and we know that it is a source of
>> injury risk for the wrist. Once the hand is extended beyond about a
>> 15 upward angle, there is a very significant increase in the
>> compression on the median nerve and other structures inside the
>> wrist. So it is extremely important to type with the hands as flat
>> as possible.


>> From <http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/AHTutorials/ckd.htm>
>> ------------------ END QUOTE --------------------


>> Which I interpret as being zero to 15 degrees. But my Compaq
>> keyboard permits either:


>> (1) flat or maybe 5 degrees
>> (2) about 30 to 35 degrees.


> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
> can't type and need to see the keys best.


********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

> The normal keyboard position is almost flat for someone who can type.


********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
that were designed to be used by professional typists.

> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.


It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

> So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
> correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
> to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
> chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
> it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
> for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.


I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.



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Old 07-26-2006, 09:08 PM
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>
>I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.
>



And look at the crap that comes out of it now...

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Old 07-26-2006, 09:15 PM
Rod Speed
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Osiris wrote:

>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.


> And look at the crap that comes out of it now...


Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.



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Old 07-26-2006, 09:18 PM
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4iq4avF512q2U1@individual.net...
> Osiris wrote:
>
>>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.

>
>> And look at the crap that comes out of it now...

>
> Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

Oh come on Rod, I don't have anything against you but you got to admit it
was funny.



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Old 07-26-2006, 09:27 PM
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Don Freeman <freemand@sonic.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Osiris wrote


>>>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>>>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>>>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.


>>> And look at the crap that comes out of it now...


>> Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.


> Oh come on Rod, I don't have anything against you but you got to admit it was funny.


Nope, like I said, any 2 year old could leave that for dead.



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Old 07-27-2006, 04:55 AM
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:06:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:


>********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>that were designed to be used by professional typists.


They were designed to:

1) Allow more space for the mechanical portion of the
typewriter, before the digital age.

2) SLOW DOWN the typist.



>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

>
>It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.


It all suddenly makes sense.

Rod is typing spasmodically.



>
>> So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
>> correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
>> to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
>> chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
>> it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
>> for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.

>
>I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.


Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you are,
the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
having problems, will need to find out what to do about
it...


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Old 07-27-2006, 06:16 AM
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kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote


>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.


>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


> They were designed to:


> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.


Wrong with electric typewriters.

> 2) SLOW DOWN the typist.


Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
that had a basket of keys on long arms.

>>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.


>> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.


> It all suddenly makes sense.


> Rod is typing spasmodically.


Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
>>> correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
>>> to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
>>> chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
>>> it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
>>> for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.


>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.


> Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
> are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
> position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.


Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.

> On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
> having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...


Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.



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Old 07-27-2006, 08:47 AM
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:16:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote

>
>>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.

>
>>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.

>
>> They were designed to:

>
>> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
>> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

>
>Wrong with electric typewriters.


Nope, they were made to coincide to the layout of the
mechanicals in more than just the letters on each key.



>
>> 2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

>
>Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
>wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
>that had a basket of keys on long arms.


I never said it wasn't.



>
>>>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>>>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>>>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>>>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>>>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

>
>>> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>>> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

>
>> It all suddenly makes sense.

>
>> Rod is typing spasmodically.

>
>Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.


Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
thing for the 34,323 time in a row?

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Old 07-27-2006, 08:57 AM
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>>
>>Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.

>
>Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste the same
>thing for the 34,323 time in a row?


Could it be..... naaaaw....
ummm.... maybe... RD is a bot?

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Old 07-27-2006, 09:00 AM
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>> Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
>> are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
>> position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

>
>Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.



Hm...nothing much happened on your way to an (over-)ripe age...


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Old 07-27-2006, 09:28 AM
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kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote


>>>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.


>>>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>>>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


>>> They were designed to:


>>> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
>>> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.


>> Wrong with electric typewriters.


> Nope, they were made to coincide to the layout of the
> mechanicals in more than just the letters on each key.


Wrong with the angle of the keyboard being discussed and your stupid
claim about 'more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'

>>> 2) SLOW DOWN the typist.


>> Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
>> wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
>> that had a basket of keys on long arms.


> I never said it wasn't.


Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>>>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>>>>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>>>>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>>>>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>>>>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.


>>>> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>>>> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.


>>> It all suddenly makes sense.


>>> Rod is typing spasmodically.


>> Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.


> Was that just a spasm or did you mean to paste
> the same thing for the 34,323 time in a row?


Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.



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Old 07-27-2006, 09:53 PM
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Osiris wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:27:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don Freeman <freemand@sonic.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Osiris wrote

>>
>>>>>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet
>>>>>> up on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I
>>>>>> only ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard
>>>>>> in my lap.

>>
>>>>> And look at the crap that comes out of it now...

>>
>>>> Any 2 year old could do better than that pathetic effort.

>>
>>> Oh come on Rod, I don't have anything against you but you got to
>>> admit it was funny.

>>
>> Nope, like I said, any 2 year old could leave that for dead.
>>

>
>
> any 2 yrs old produces that much crap


and so does john doe






















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Old 07-31-2006, 07:26 PM
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Rod Speed wrote:
> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>> Archie <no@com.com> wrote

>
>>> Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope
>>> of a regular keyboard? One web page says this:

>
>>> ------------------ BEGIN QUOTE -----------------
>>> "angle of the keyboard relative to the angle of the wrist. Most
>>> keyboards slope upwards from front to back, and this means that users
>>> bend their hands upwards when they are typing on the keyboard. This
>>> posture is called wrist extension, and we know that it is a source of
>>> injury risk for the wrist. Once the hand is extended beyond about a
>>> 15 upward angle, there is a very significant increase in the
>>> compression on the median nerve and other structures inside the
>>> wrist. So it is extremely important to type with the hands as flat
>>> as possible.

>
>>> From <http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/AHTutorials/ckd.htm>
>>> ------------------ END QUOTE --------------------

>
>>> Which I interpret as being zero to 15 degrees. But my Compaq
>>> keyboard permits either:

>
>>> (1) flat or maybe 5 degrees
>>> (2) about 30 to 35 degrees.

>
>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>> can't type and need to see the keys best.

>
> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


You mean those designed in 1968 before the affliction known as Carple
tunnel syndrome had a name? Good comparison.



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Old 07-31-2006, 07:58 PM
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kony wrote:

> Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you are,
> the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
> position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.
>
> On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
> having problems, will need to find out what to do about
> it...
>


Also some people are more susceptible to carpel tunnel syndrome than
others depending on the size of said tunnel.

--
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One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
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Old 07-31-2006, 08:05 PM
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Rod Speed wrote:

>
> Wrong with electric typewriters.


Incorrect. Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel,
IBM Ball or digital technology. A current typewriter has an almost flat
keyboard and if one is sitting at the proper height it should not make
much difference in *most* people. You seem to know as much about this
particular subject as you do about analog audio equipment.

>
>> 2) SLOW DOWN the typist.

>
> Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
> wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
> that had a basket of keys on long arms.
>
>>>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>>>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>>>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>>>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>>>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

>
>>> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>>> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

>
>> It all suddenly makes sense.

>
>> Rod is typing spasmodically.

>
> Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>>>> So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
>>>> correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
>>>> to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
>>>> chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
>>>> it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
>>>> for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair height.

>
>>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my lap.

>
>> Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
>> are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
>> position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

>
> Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.
>
>> On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
>> having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...

>
> Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>



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One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com

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Old 07-31-2006, 09:17 PM
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WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote


>>>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.


>>>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>>>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


>>> They were designed to:


>>> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
>>> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.


>> Wrong with electric typewriters.


> Incorrect.


Nope.

> Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.


Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.

> A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard


Wrong again.

> and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
> not make much difference in *most* people.


> You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
> equipment.


You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific claim
about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'

>>> 2) SLOW DOWN the typist.


>> Wrong again. That was the keyboard layout letter
>> wise, designed to prevent jamming with typewriters
>> that had a basket of keys on long arms.


>>>>> 2) The issue is not keyboard tilt at all (not to do it) but
>>>>> rather, keyboard height. Sitting straight in the chair with
>>>>> arms at near parallel to the floor, wrists should bend
>>>>> downward slightly, that is where the keyboard should be.
>>>>> If it isn't, the table/desk/whatever needs changed.

>>
>>>> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
>>>> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.

>>
>>> It all suddenly makes sense.

>>
>>> Rod is typing spasmodically.

>>
>> Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>>>> So you want #1 above, but it's not as important as the
>>>>> correct keyboard (table) height, OR the correct chair height
>>>>> to match the keyboard height BUT there are other issues for
>>>>> chair height like proper ergonomics for your upper legs so
>>>>> it is typical to adjust table height to the correct level
>>>>> for a properly fitting chair (to the user), not adjust chair
>>>>> height.

>>
>>>> I have never bothered with that crap, used to type with my feet up
>>>> on the desk with detachable keyboards in my lap, and now I only
>>>> ever use a full armchair with my feet up and the keyboard in my
>>>> lap.

>>
>>> Sure, you can type any way you please. The younger you
>>> are, the less you type, and the more breaks or changes in
>>> position you make, the less likely it'll be a problem.

>>
>> Pity I am likely to be old enough to be your dad thanks, child.
>>
>>> On the other hand, people who ARE typing a _LOT_ and/or
>>> having problems, will need to find out what to do about it...

>>
>> Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.




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Old 07-31-2006, 09:18 PM
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WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>>> Archie <no@com.com> wrote


>>>> Is there a generally-accepted best angle for the slope
>>>> of a regular keyboard? One web page says this:


>>>> ------------------ BEGIN QUOTE -----------------
>>>> "angle of the keyboard relative to the angle of the wrist. Most
>>>> keyboards slope upwards from front to back, and this means that
>>>> users bend their hands upwards when they are typing on the
>>>> keyboard. This posture is called wrist extension, and we know that
>>>> it is a source of injury risk for the wrist. Once the hand is
>>>> extended beyond about a 15 upward angle, there is a very
>>>> significant increase in the compression on the median nerve and
>>>> other structures inside the wrist. So it is extremely important to
>>>> type with the hands as flat as possible.


>>>> From <http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/AHTutorials/ckd.htm>
>>>> ------------------ END QUOTE --------------------


>>>> Which I interpret as being zero to 15 degrees. But my Compaq
>>>> keyboard permits either:


>>>> (1) flat or maybe 5 degrees
>>>> (2) about 30 to 35 degrees.


>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.


>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


> You mean those designed in 1968 before the affliction known as Carple tunnel syndrome
> had a name?


Nope, also the ones designed after that too.

> Good comparison.


Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.



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Old 08-01-2006, 05:33 PM
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Rod Speed wrote:
> WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote

>
>>>>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>>>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.

>
>>>>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>>>>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.

>
>>>> They were designed to:

>
>>>> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
>>>> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.

>
>>> Wrong with electric typewriters.

>
>> Incorrect.

>
> Nope..


Repeating over and over doesn't make it true. See below.

>
>> Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.

>
> Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
> mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.
>
>> A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard

>
> Wrong again.


No, I am not wrong, I worked for 18 years along side the typewriter
repair person for $dayjob and have seen and used the current models of
typewriters that are still available. The keyboards are as flat as a
computer keyboard.

>
>> and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
>> not make much difference in *most* people.

>
>> You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
>> equipment.

>
> You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific claim
> about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'
>


I worked that out right before you claimed that it was incorrect for
electric typewriters. You are still wrong on that point as I personally
own an electric typewriter that is entirely mechanical in nature yet
electrically powered.


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Old 08-01-2006, 05:36 PM
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Rod Speed wrote:

>> Good comparison.

>
> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.
>
>


At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you
answer any more viable than it was at first.

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Old 08-01-2006, 05:55 PM
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WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote


>>>>>>> 1) Keyboard tilt is mostly to help those who
>>>>>>> can't type and need to see the keys best.


>>>>>> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
>>>>>> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


>>>>> They were designed to:


>>>>> 1) Allow more space for the mechanical
>>>>> portion of the typewriter, before the digital age.


>>>> Wrong with electric typewriters.


>>> Incorrect.


>> Nope..


> Repeating over and over doesn't make it true. See below.


Saying 'incorrect' doesnt make it so.

>>> Only electric typewriters that do not have DaisyWheel, IBM Ball or digital technology.


>> Wrong with that 'allow more space for the
>> mechanical portion of the typewriter' claim.


>>> A current typewriter has an almost flat keyboard


>> Wrong again.


> No, I am not wrong, I worked for 18 years along side the typewriter repair person for
> $dayjob and have seen and used the current models of typewriters that are still
> available. The keyboards are as flat as a computer keyboard.


They dont have zero SLOPE tho. THAT is what is being discussed.

>>> and if one is sitting at the proper height it should
>>> not make much difference in *most* people.


>>> You seem to know as much about this particular subject as you do about analog audio
>>> equipment.


>> You cant even manage to work out that that he was making a specific
>> claim about 'allow more space for the mechanical portion of the typewriter'


> I worked that out right before you claimed that it was incorrect
> for electric typewriters. You are still wrong on that point as I
> personally own an electric typewriter that is entirely mechanical in
> nature yet electrically powered.


Irrelevant TO WHETHER THEY HAD MUCH MORE
THAN ZERO SLOPE TO ALLOW MORE SPACE FOR
THE MECHANICAL PORTION OF THE TYPEWRITER.

That was only true for the manual typewriters which had
a cage of bars with a single letter on the end of each bar.



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Old 08-01-2006, 06:25 PM
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:36:37 -0500, WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net>
wrote:

>Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>> Good comparison.

>>
>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.
>>
>>

>
> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
>your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you
>answer any more viable than it was at first.


Good God man, how many times does Roddy have to repeat himself, all the while
providing no proof to substantiate his claim whatsoever, before you'll believe
him?

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Old 08-01-2006, 06:25 PM
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WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote


>>> Good comparison.


>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.


> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,


No you didnt.

> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you answer any more
> viable than it was at first.


You're lying now, most obviously where I rubbed your nose
in the FACT that typewriters and teletypes have had nothing
like ZERO SLOPE for well over a century now with
typewriters and well over half a century with teletypes.



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Old 08-01-2006, 06:54 PM
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"xModem" <xModem@ttl.org.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:36:37 -0500, WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>
>>>> Good comparison.
>>>
>>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
>>your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you
>>answer any more viable than it was at first.

>
> Good God man, how many times does Roddy have to repeat himself, all the
> while
> providing no proof to substantiate his claim whatsoever, before you'll
> believe
> him?
>

I mean really. How much non-researched pontificating must he do before you
give in?



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Old 08-01-2006, 09:08 PM
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Rod Speed wrote:
> WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote

>
>>>> Good comparison.

>
>>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.

>
>> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,

>
> No you didnt.
>
>> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you answer any more
>> viable than it was at first.

>
> You're lying now, most obviously where I rubbed your nose
> in the FACT that typewriters and teletypes have had nothing
> like ZERO SLOPE for well over a century now with
> typewriters and well over half a century with teletypes.
>


Again repeating incorrect answers and denying the obvious does not
make it true. People have been getting CTS for over a century too, no
one can prove or disprove exactly why or not they did or did not get it.
No keyboards are not angled anymore and yes I do provide substance to my
answers rather than "yes, no, wrong" and no matter how much you say
"wrong" will not change the facts. It seems you just prefer to ignore
facts that you disagree with. I will choose the logical side that is
supported by doctors and Cornell Univ, you may stay on with Algore as
you like...


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Old 08-01-2006, 09:11 PM
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Don Freeman wrote:
> "xModem" <xModem@ttl.org.invalid> wrote in message
> news:vr6vc2tc94i5k6eunnee4g8lv5uf41ar9r@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:36:37 -0500, WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Good comparison.
>>>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
>>> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you
>>> answer any more viable than it was at first.

>> Good God man, how many times does Roddy have to repeat himself, all the
>> while
>> providing no proof to substantiate his claim whatsoever, before you'll
>> believe
>> him?
>>

> I mean really. How much non-researched pontificating must he do before you
> give in?
>
>


Points taken :-D

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Old 08-01-2006, 09:45 PM
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WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote


>>>>> Good comparison.


>>>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.


>>> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,


>> No you didnt.


>>> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you answer any more
>>> viable than it was at first.


>> You're lying now, most obviously where I rubbed your nose
>> in the FACT that typewriters and teletypes have had nothing
>> like ZERO SLOPE for well over a century now with
>> typewriters and well over half a century with teletypes.


> Again repeating incorrect answers and denying the obvious does not make it true.


Again, claiming something is incorrect and
ignoring the obvious cuts no mustard either.

> People have been getting CTS for over a century too, no one can prove or disprove
> exactly why or not they did or did not get it.


So you have no basis for your pig ignorant claim about anything
being incorrect and are so stupid that you couldnt even manage
to work out that the 'kony' originally pig ignorantly claimed that
the other than zero slope that has been seen with non manual
typewriters and teletypes is necessary to 'Allow more space for
the mechanical portion of the typewriter, before the digital age'

> No keyboards are not angled anymore


More pig ignorant drivel. Plenty have feet that allow other
than ZERO slope and few actually have ZERO slope too.

> and yes I do provide substance to my answers rather than "yes, no, wrong"


Pity its just pig ignorant unsubstantiated CLAIMS. Thats not
'substance', thats just anothe of your pig ignorant steaming turds.

> and no matter how much you say "wrong" will not change the facts.


No matter how often you claim something is 'incorrect', will not change the facts.

> It seems you just prefer to ignore facts that you disagree with.


You in spades with keyboards that havent had zero slope for centurys
now with typewriters and well over half a century now with teletypes.

> I will choose the logical side that is supported by doctors and Cornell Univ,


Pity you cant actually cite even a SINGLE rigorous scientific
study published in a peer reviewed scientific journal that shows
that ZERO slope is the only acceptible slope for a keyboard.

> you may stay on with Algore as you like...


Never ever could ******** its way out of a wet paper bag.



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Rod Speed writes:

> ********. Have fun explaining the keyboards on typewriters
> that were designed to be used by professional typists.


If they are electric, the keyboards are nearly flat.

If they are manual, the keys are arranged in tiers to better
accommodate the mechanical constraints of the typewriter.

> It isnt that black and white, particularly if you are only
> typing spasmodically as is the case with most PCs.


If you are a fast touch-typist, every variable makes a difference.

I am in this category, and I use a Microsoft Natural Keyboard that
keeps my arms and wrists straight. The RSI pain I used to get on
other keyboards in other configurations is no longer a problem.

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Old 08-02-2006, 04:58 PM
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"WindsorFox" <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote:
> > WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
> >> Rod Speed wrote

> >
> >>>> Good comparison.

> >
> >>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.

> >
> >> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,

> >
> > No you didnt.
> >
> >> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make you

answer any more
> >> viable than it was at first.

> >
> > You're lying now, most obviously where I rubbed your nose
> > in the FACT that typewriters and teletypes have had nothing
> > like ZERO SLOPE for well over a century now with
> > typewriters and well over half a century with teletypes.
> >

>
> Again repeating incorrect answers and denying the obvious does not
> make it true. People have been getting CTS for over a century too, no
> one can prove or disprove exactly why or not they did or did not get it.
> No keyboards are not angled anymore and yes I do provide substance to my
> answers rather than "yes, no, wrong" and no matter how much you say
> "wrong" will not change the facts. It seems you just prefer to ignore
> facts that you disagree with. I will choose the logical side that is
> supported by doctors and Cornell Univ, you may stay on with Algore as
> you like...


A number of years ago I saw an article that said that Carpal Tunnel with
manual typewriters was rare, because after every line, the typist had to
move her hands from the keyboard to manually return the carriage.

When they started using electric typewriters CPT became more common, The
typists didn't take their hands out of the typing position until they
completed a page, and had to insert a new sheet of paper.

When typists started typing on computers, with line wrap, and no sheets to
feed, the typists kept their hands in position for even longer periods of
time, and CPT got even worse.

> --
> I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
> One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
>
> Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
> as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
> Cadbury Moose




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Old 08-02-2006, 06:44 PM
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Todd <Noname@NoSpam.invalid> wrote:
> "WindsorFox" <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote in message
> news:VoPzg.105400$IZ2.11149@dukeread07...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> WindsorFox <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>
>>>>>> Good comparison.
>>>
>>>>> Pathetic excuse for ******** in your case.
>>>
>>>> At least I provide some substance showing why you are incorrect,
>>>
>>> No you didnt.
>>>
>>>> your snipping said substance ans repeating "wrong" dos not make
>>>> you answer any more viable than it was at first.
>>>
>>> You're lying now, most obviously where I rubbed your nose
>>> in the FACT that typewriters and teletypes have had nothing
>>> like ZERO SLOPE for well over a century now with
>>> typewriters and well over half a century with teletypes.
>>>

>>
>> Again repeating incorrect answers and denying the obvious does
>> not make it true. People have been getting CTS for over a century
>> too, no one can prove or disprove exactly why or not they did or did
>> not get it. No keyboards are not angled anymore and yes I do provide
>> substance to my answers rather than "yes, no, wrong" and no matter
>> how much you say "wrong" will not change the facts. It seems you
>> just prefer to ignore facts that you disagree with. I will choose
>> the logical side that is supported by doctors and Cornell Univ, you
>> may stay on with Algore as you like...

>
> A number of years ago I saw an article that said that Carpal Tunnel
> with manual typewriters was rare, because after every line, the
> typist had to move her hands from the keyboard to manually return the
> carriage.
>
> When they started using electric typewriters CPT became more common,
> The typists didn't take their hands out of the typing position until
> they completed a page, and had to insert a new sheet of paper.
>
> When typists started typing on computers, with line wrap, and no
> sheets to feed, the typists kept their hands in position for even
> longer periods of time, and CPT got even worse.


In fact the real reason was because it became a fad/scam.



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