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Old 10-29-2007, 12:20 PM
gecko
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Default REQ: Need Advice On Buying External Hard Drive

I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
for good or bad?

250GB appeals to me.

Thanks

G


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Old 10-29-2007, 03:50 PM
gecko
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:38:43 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:

>gecko <alpha@olympus.net> wrote:
>
>> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.

>
> It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
>just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
>drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
>never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).
>
> My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
>mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
>replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
>2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
>time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
>and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
>months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
>switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
>warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).
>
> About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
>my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
>bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
>failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
>90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
>installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.
>
> Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
>the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
>own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.


I have an enclosure now, rather old. It works badly and so I thought
a new external, self contained, portable, would do better. My past
posts show my problems.

Thanks

G

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Old 10-29-2007, 04:45 PM
kony
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:38:43 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

>gecko <alpha@olympus.net> wrote:
>
>> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.

>
> It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
>just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
>drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
>never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).
>
> My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
>mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
>replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
>2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
>time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
>and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
>months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
>switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
>warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).
>
> About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
>my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
>bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
>failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
>90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
>installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.


You have to be the one user in a billion who had this
happen. Statistics seem to imply certain generations of
Maxtor were worse than average but maybe 10% failure rate
not dropping like flies in months, over and over again.

That doesn't make WD a bad choice though, if it works for
you then it has proven itself acceptible.



>
> Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
>the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
>own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.


More platters to reach higher capacity means more motor
wear, more motor power (driver circuit heat) and overall
more drive bearing and PCB heat... this being in an external
enclosure that is often passively cooled, will tend to
reduce it's lifespan.

Extending this, if the drive will be running for longer than
it takes to back up a few GB at a time, an enclosure with a
fan would be a good idea unless noise reduction is more
important than lifespan. Beyond that, there are several
alternatives and spot-pricing may reveal the best option/$,
though it is generally best to avoid generic products and
seek reviews on any potential candidates.

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Old 10-29-2007, 05:33 PM
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"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com...
>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> for good or bad?


Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.

Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
at home, for example).
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian



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Old 10-29-2007, 05:58 PM
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On Oct 29, 12:45 pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:38:43 -0500, Joel <J...@NoSpam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >gecko <al...@olympus.net> wrote:

>
> >> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> >> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> >> for good or bad?

>
> >> 250GB appeals to me.

>
> > It's so cheap these days to need to watch out for anything. Well, may be
> >just stay away from Maxtor which I just don't have any luck with Maxtor hard
> >drive (now sold to Seagate so I am shy away from Seagate as well even I
> >never owned any Seagate .. may be 2.5" hard drive? or way back in 80's?).

>
> > My Maxtor story (or stories?), I started my first Maxtor somewhere in
> >mid-late 80's and got my first hard drive problem 4-5 months later, got the
> >replacement (I like no question asked policy) and 2nd Maxtor failure within
> >2-3 months, got 2nd replacement and failed again after 6-7 months. By that
> >time the price dropped so I didn't care for replacement but went for newer
> >and larger Maxtor (it coast $400-500 a pop then) and it failed after 5-6
> >months, then failed once more and I didn't care to get the replacement, but
> >switched to Western Digital and have been using WD ever since (but WD
> >warrantee policy suck big time, so I don't have much to sing about WD).

>
> > About 2-3 years ago I thought I would give Maxtor another try to see with
> >my own eyes after around 2 decades of technology and improvement, so I
> >bought a 250GB and it too failed after 2-3 months. Got the replacement and
> >failed again after about 1 month, but the drive is still usuable except
> >90-95+% it won't be recognized my CMOS. I can't use it on my system so I
> >installed on my grandkids system and the problem is still there for years.

>
> You have to be the one user in a billion who had this
> happen. Statistics seem to imply certain generations of
> Maxtor were worse than average but maybe 10% failure rate
> not dropping like flies in months, over and over again.
>
> That doesn't make WD a bad choice though, if it works for
> you then it has proven itself acceptible.
>
>
>
> > Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
> >the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
> >own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.

>
> More platters to reach higher capacity means more motor
> wear, more motor power (driver circuit heat) and overall
> more drive bearing and PCB heat... this being in an external
> enclosure that is often passively cooled, will tend to
> reduce it's lifespan.
>
> Extending this, if the drive will be running for longer than
> it takes to back up a few GB at a time, an enclosure with a
> fan would be a good idea unless noise reduction is more
> important than lifespan. Beyond that, there are several
> alternatives and spot-pricing may reveal the best option/$,
> though it is generally best to avoid generic products and
> seek reviews on any potential candidates.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


What size is the drive that is in the tower now? Would you be better
off to buy a 500gb as an internal and take your present drive out,put
it in a Vantec NexStar3 inclosure and use that as your usb connected
storage drive? I am running a WD 80gb internal with a Maxtor 40gb in
the said inclosure and have been for years with no troubles. The
Maxtor was my internal for 7 years with no problems. Just a thought. -J


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Old 10-29-2007, 06:48 PM
kony
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:33:02 -0000, "Brian Cryer"
<brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote:

>"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
>news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com.. .
>>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?

>
>Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
>you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
>doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
>unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
>looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
>supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
>use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.
>
>Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
>everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
>that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
>at home, for example).



Given a soldering iron, solder, a short length of wire and
some heatshrink tubing, you could drill a hole in the
enclosure casing and install a female socket which matches
whichever connector is on the replacement PSU you'd buy if
the need arose. Granted this seems like a lot of work, but
maybe about 5 minutes which could be less time than it would
take looking around for a PSU with a special connector.

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Old 10-29-2007, 07:18 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:47:18 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:

>gecko <alpha@olympus.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>> > Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
>> >the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
>> >own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.

>>
>> I have an enclosure now, rather old. It works badly and so I thought
>> a new external, self contained, portable, would do better. My past
>> posts show my problems.

>
> Well, either way you still end up with an 3.5" hard drive inside an
>enclosure, so either you have some manufacture puts some specific 3.5" hard
>drive inside 3.5" enclosure for you, or you buy and do yourself.
>
> One of the reasons I don't buy the pre-assembled external hard drive cuz I
>don't know if the hard drive is a normal IDE/SATA hard drive that we can
>install on computer as internal, or a special design for specific external
>case????


Yah - I guess I would not know that either. I just figured that just
maybe my past problems might have something to do with the box
circuitry and connections. When I sometimes disconnect said
connections and then re-connect them again, and the thing starts
working, then I figure something might be ornery there.

Thanks again
G

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Old 10-29-2007, 07:20 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:33:02 -0000, "Brian Cryer"
<brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote:

>"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
>news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com.. .
>>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?

>
>Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't. Whether
>you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you are
>doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
>unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the Seagate
>looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
>supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones I
>use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.
>
>Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
>everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
>that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work or
>at home, for example).


Good point

G

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Old 10-29-2007, 08:10 PM
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"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com...
>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> for good or bad?
>
> 250GB appeals to me.
>
> Thanks
>
> G
>


You haven't said whether you want to buy a prebuilt one of just an external
enclosure and put in your own hard disk.

If you just buy an external enclosure make sure the power supply is rated to
drive the capacity disk you want to install. But whatever you do stay away
from Coolermaster Xcraft enclosures.

I bought several Xcrafts in one purchase to backup my CD & DVD ISO files. I
create an MD5 checksum file on my internal drives fro the ISOs before
copying them to the Xcrafts and when I do the MD5 verify about 30% of the
copies fail and need to be redone before the verify shows the copy was
successful.
As it happens with all of the Xcrafts I got and all the disks installed in
them I wouldn't put it down to a failure of any of these but just a poor
product. (I also have some generic enclosures that work perfectly everytime
from the same USB port so the port is not the problem).






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Old 10-29-2007, 09:50 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:47:18 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

>gecko <alpha@olympus.net> wrote:
>
><snip>
>> > Also, why 250GB when external 500GB is just around $100-130 (depending on
>> >the sale), and if you don't like the pre-made external then you can buy your
>> >own 3.5" enclosure and install the 3.5" HD yourself.

>>
>> I have an enclosure now, rather old. It works badly and so I thought
>> a new external, self contained, portable, would do better. My past
>> posts show my problems.

>
> Well, either way you still end up with an 3.5" hard drive inside an
>enclosure, so either you have some manufacture puts some specific 3.5" hard
>drive inside 3.5" enclosure for you, or you buy and do yourself.
>
> One of the reasons I don't buy the pre-assembled external hard drive cuz I
>don't know if the hard drive is a normal IDE/SATA hard drive that we can
>install on computer as internal, or a special design for specific external
>case????
>
>> Thanks


They are standard PATA or SATA. I vaguely recall that at
least one of the branded (drive manufacturer) externals that
comes with drive is sealed as-in, not meant to be openable
but I don't recall the specifics nor know if wedging a knife
around the case seams would get it open as will often work
with (other) snap together plastic casings.

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Old 10-29-2007, 10:02 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:41:45 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

>jinxy <willandsue@rogers.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>> What size is the drive that is in the tower now? Would you be better
>> off to buy a 500gb as an internal and take your present drive out,put
>> it in a Vantec NexStar3 inclosure and use that as your usb connected
>> storage drive? I am running a WD 80gb internal with a Maxtor 40gb in
>> the said inclosure and have been for years with no troubles. The
>> Maxtor was my internal for 7 years with no problems. Just a thought. -J

>
> You are still using 40GB and 80GB these days? My current system has (3)
>300GB 7200 WD and (1) external 500GB SATA, and I am still fighting to free
>up more disk space.
>
> I am using VENUS D53 enclosure and it seems working fine. I don't know if
>there is any better now, but it was one of the top choices when I bought it
>(and had to pay little extra for it comparing to many others).



.... time to set up a NAS in a case large enough to put a
boatload of drives in.

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Old 10-29-2007, 11:17 PM
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:40:44 +1030, "Gilgamesh"
<gilgamesh@spam.me.not> wrote:

>"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
>news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com.. .
>>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> G
>>

>
>You haven't said whether you want to buy a prebuilt one of just an external
>enclosure and put in your own hard disk.


I have an enclosure now, and am not happy with it. So I am thinking a
pre-built one might work better.

>
>If you just buy an external enclosure make sure the power supply is rated to
>drive the capacity disk you want to install. But whatever you do stay away
>from Coolermaster Xcraft enclosures.


I have not heard of them.

>
>I bought several Xcrafts in one purchase to backup my CD & DVD ISO files. I
>create an MD5 checksum file on my internal drives fro the ISOs before
>copying them to the Xcrafts and when I do the MD5 verify about 30% of the
>copies fail and need to be redone before the verify shows the copy was
>successful.
>As it happens with all of the Xcrafts I got and all the disks installed in
>them I wouldn't put it down to a failure of any of these but just a poor
>product. (I also have some generic enclosures that work perfectly everytime
>from the same USB port so the port is not the problem).
>
>
>
>


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Old 10-29-2007, 11:30 PM
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gecko wrote:
> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> for good or bad?
>
> 250GB appeals to me.


Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.

It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
technical informaiton and sources of bargains:

www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281

Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.
Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
and untrustworthy. An external power supply will almost always be UL
or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
will run cooler.


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Old 10-29-2007, 11:54 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:30:26 -0700, larry moe 'n curly
<larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

>
>
>gecko wrote:
>> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.

>
>Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
>frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.
>
>It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
>for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
>FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
>technical informaiton and sources of bargains:
>
> www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281
>
>Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
>ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.

Upright? That struck me. My problematic enclosure lays horizontal as
does the drive therein.
>Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
>supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
>and untrustworthy.

Mine has an internal PS. I just connect an AC cord to it. Maybe
that's the problem.
> An external power supply will almost always be UL
>or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
>will run cooler.

I still am operating under the hope that a new one, and self-contained
at that, would work better than what I have now which is heart attack
rendering.

Thanks for reply

G

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Old 10-30-2007, 06:13 AM
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gecko wrote:

> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> for good or bad?
>
> 250GB appeals to me.
>
> Thanks
>
> G


1st ones I looked at were Freecoms, but mfr spec quoted 50,000hr
MTTF which is pretty awful. Unfortunately I didnt find mttf / mtbf
specs for other makes, but I know I want more than 80-90% to
survive the first year.


NT


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Old 10-30-2007, 06:27 AM
larry moe 'n curly
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gecko wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:30:26 -0700, larry moe 'n curly
> <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:


> >Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
> >ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.


> Upright? That struck me. My problematic enclosure lays horizontal as
> does the drive therein.


I found that mounting a drive vertically will make its aluminum
casting run 2-3 degs. C cooler, and the hottest chips can run 15-20C
cooler, at least if they face outward and are exposed to the air
convection. I don't know about current Maxtors, but old ones use six
tiny chips to move the heads and spin the motor that can run really
hot and burn out if they don't get enough air flow.

> >Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
> >supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
> >and untrustworthy.


> Mine has an internal PS. I just connect an AC cord to it. Maybe
> that's the problem.


I don't know, but here's a Welland-made Bytecc enclosure with
internal high quality, UL approved PSU:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/49/17...0fb1c01f_o.jpg

The PSU has its own metal enclosure for safety (thing with vent slots
in it) and a cooling fan.

OTOH I once bought this piece of junk Neo brand enclosure with an
internal PSU that was definitely non-certified:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/23...68d6e20e_b.jpg

The IDE-USB interface board (moved to the left) pressed against the
heatsinks of the PSU and was electrically insulated by only a thin
sheet of tough plastic (removed here). The PSU doesn't seem any
overcurrent protection, except for the fuse, or any overvoltage
protection..

Notice that the Bytecc enclosure raises the drive at least 1/8" from
the bottom and even has vent holes around its mounting points, while
the Neo enclosure lets the drive sit almost flush with the bottom,
reducing air flow for the drive electronics. It's possible this
caused a Neo enclosure to destroyed one person's drive:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9798/p50713972ew.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8554/p50713949ot.jpg

This is why I want any enclosure to be made of either metal or fire-
resistant plastic. This Neo enclosure was advertised as being made of
polycarbonate, which is kind of hard to burn, but I suspected that it
was actually ordinary acrylic, one of the more flammable plastics (I
tried a drop of ammonia on it, which is supposed to attack
polycarbonate but not acrylic), unless fire retardant is added to it.

The burned chip was probably the motor and head arm driver, normally
one of the hottest chips.

If your enclosure doesn't raise the drive off its floor, it would
probably be a good idea to install some plastic or metal washers to
raise it up, using longer screws if needed.

BTW, both the Bytecc/Welland and Neo enclosures came from the same
merchant, Dealsonic, and I have no complaints about them. I asked for
a refund on one of the Neo enclosures (I had already drilled out the
other one and replaced its PSU with an external) because of the safety
defects, and they gave back all of my money, including shipping, and
paid for return shipping. And the person whose HD was destroyed
received not only a refund but also a new HD, even though he had
bought the HD elsewhere.
..


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Old 10-30-2007, 08:56 AM
larry moe 'n curly
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gecko wrote:
> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
> for good or bad?
>
> 250GB appeals to me.


Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.

It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
technical informaiton and sources of bargains:

www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281

Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.
Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
and untrustworthy. An external power supply will almost always be UL
or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
will run cooler.


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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:33:02 -0000, "Brian Cryer"
> <brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>"gecko" <alpha@olympus.net> wrote in message
>>news:brjbi31h104pjde62ssph9mmmhs1bgthlp@4ax.com. ..
>>>I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>>> for good or bad?

>>
>>Some USB disks spin down after a period of inactivity, others don't.
>>Whether
>>you consider this to be a good thing or a bad thing depends on what you
>>are
>>doing. I use Seagate USB disks at work which do spin down when not in use,
>>unbranded ones at home which don't. Also the power connector on the
>>Seagate
>>looks to be a standard power connector which implies that if the power
>>supply died I would have a fighting change to get a replacement, the ones
>>I
>>use at home use a very non-standard power supply connector.
>>
>>Whatever you go for remember that you ought to make provision to back
>>everything up. If you are buying the usb disk for your backup then ensure
>>that you have at least two - and keep one off site (in your draw at work
>>or
>>at home, for example).

>
>
> Given a soldering iron, solder, a short length of wire and
> some heatshrink tubing, you could drill a hole in the
> enclosure casing and install a female socket which matches
> whichever connector is on the replacement PSU you'd buy if
> the need arose. Granted this seems like a lot of work, but
> maybe about 5 minutes which could be less time than it would
> take looking around for a PSU with a special connector.


Sounds a bit "Heath Robinson", but should my PSU go then I think your
suggestion would save me a lot of agro. Thanks.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian





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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:13:44 -0700, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

>gecko wrote:
>
>> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> G

>
>1st ones I looked at were Freecoms, but mfr spec quoted 50,000hr
>MTTF which is pretty awful. Unfortunately I didnt find mttf / mtbf
>specs for other makes, but I know I want more than 80-90% to
>survive the first year.
>
>
>NT


As would I!

Thanks

G

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Old 10-30-2007, 11:39 AM
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On 30 Oct 2007 01:56:05 -0700, larry moe 'n curly
<larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

>
>
>gecko wrote:
>> I plan to spring for a new external hard drive (USB). Anyone care to
>> offer advice on what is good and what is not? What I should watch out
>> for good or bad?
>>
>> 250GB appeals to me.

>
>Check Fry's and www.salescircular.com for local specials. Fry's has
>frequently sold 500GB external USB drives for $110.
>
>It's possible you can buy an internal HD and an enclosure separately
>for less than an external drive, but if you do, first consult
>FatWallet.com's "The Official External Enclosure Thread" for both
>technical informaiton and sources of bargains:
>
> www.fatwallet.com/t/28/496281


I just got through fast-reading this site's info. Looks very detailed
and useful. Thanks.
G
>
>Some enclosures can be awful, so look for something with plenty of
>ventilation holes and a facility to let it stand upright securely.
>Also avoid most enclosures with built-in power supplies because those
>supplies are often not UL or CSA approved and may be pretty dangerous
>and untrustworthy. An external power supply will almost always be UL
>or CSA approved, and by being outside the enclosure, the internal HD
>will run cooler.


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Old 10-31-2007, 03:03 PM
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:53:30 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
wrote:


> I can understand IDE/SATA type is IDE/SATA type, but I am not talking
>about IDE/SATA isn't standard IDE/SATA but if it's exactly like a normal
>IDE/SATA drive with all the Jumpers, PIN, Power connector etc. that you can
>easily install as internet (if the case is broken for example).
>
> Some may be normal drive but how about all?



Yes they are usually standard drives you could install
inside a case. "ALL"? A manufacturer could change a design
at any time but as far as I know, all of them have been this
way, largely due to the fact that it would cost more to
design and manufacture another series of drives just to save
a couple cents by getting rid of a jumper block (since
they'd still need the bus and power pins).

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:55:49 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
wrote:

>kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:41:45 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >jinxy <willandsue@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >> What size is the drive that is in the tower now? Would you be better
>> >> off to buy a 500gb as an internal and take your present drive out,put
>> >> it in a Vantec NexStar3 inclosure and use that as your usb connected
>> >> storage drive? I am running a WD 80gb internal with a Maxtor 40gb in
>> >> the said inclosure and have been for years with no troubles. The
>> >> Maxtor was my internal for 7 years with no problems. Just a thought. -J
>> >
>> > You are still using 40GB and 80GB these days? My current system has (3)
>> >300GB 7200 WD and (1) external 500GB SATA, and I am still fighting to free
>> >up more disk space.
>> >
>> > I am using VENUS D53 enclosure and it seems working fine. I don't know if
>> >there is any better now, but it was one of the top choices when I bought it
>> >(and had to pay little extra for it comparing to many others).

>>
>>
>> ... time to set up a NAS in a case large enough to put a
>> boatload of drives in.

>
> I was thinking about the 1TG external drive, but then I read someone
>mentions it's actually (2) 500GB tied together, and I read *if* one fails
>then 2 go to trash can. Of course I never own one to know more detail.



I'd imagine there are 1TB enclosures using only one drive,
wasn't it only Maxtor that released a 1TB as two drives?
Either way, you could still buy an empty enclosure then put
any drive you want in it.

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:06:34 -0000, "Brian Cryer"
<brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote:


>> Given a soldering iron, solder, a short length of wire and
>> some heatshrink tubing, you could drill a hole in the
>> enclosure casing and install a female socket which matches
>> whichever connector is on the replacement PSU you'd buy if
>> the need arose. Granted this seems like a lot of work, but
>> maybe about 5 minutes which could be less time than it would
>> take looking around for a PSU with a special connector.

>
>Sounds a bit "Heath Robinson", but should my PSU go then I think your
>suggestion would save me a lot of agro. Thanks.



DIY repair solutions are often seen as excessive, but in
some cases they are cheaper, faster, and improve the
product. Win/win situation, unless the original PSU failure
has also damaged the enclosure electronics or drive.

On the other hand, you could just snip the original PSU's
proprietary connector off and graft it onto the new PSU
instead, but I would prefer the former option as then the
enclosure is compatible with a more common PSU plug should
the PSU ever need replaced again.

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Old 11-01-2007, 11:56 AM
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"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> >> > I am using VENUS D53 enclosure and it seems working fine. I don't
>> >> > know if
>> >> >there is any better now, but it was one of the top choices when I
>> >> >bought it
>> >> >(and had to pay little extra for it comparing to many others).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ... time to set up a NAS in a case large enough to put a
>> >> boatload of drives in.
>> >
>> > I was thinking about the 1TG external drive, but then I read someone
>> >mentions it's actually (2) 500GB tied together, and I read *if* one
>> >fails
>> >then 2 go to trash can. Of course I never own one to know more detail.

>>
>>
>> I'd imagine there are 1TB enclosures using only one drive,
>> wasn't it only Maxtor that released a 1TB as two drives?
>> Either way, you could still buy an empty enclosure then put
>> any drive you want in it.

>
> I don't own any 1TG external to know for sure, and I only read from ONE
> person who mentioned inside the 1GB is (2) 500GB drive. And s/he said
> *if*
> one fails both have to go because they connect to each other (I don't know
> more detail about this).


The one you're thinking of does stripping of the disks with parts of the
files written to alternate disks (in simple terms) so if one disk fails you
loose all your data. You just need to replace that one disk to be back up
and running.



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