Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
improve the air circulation in the case to the point it will make a
notable difference in the case temperature?
"Jack Gillis" <XXXXXXXX@widomaker.com> wrote in message
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> Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones improve
> the air circulation in the case to the point it will make a notable
> difference in the case temperature?
Possibly!!
It depends how badly the ribbon cables currently block the air flow. I have
flat ribbon cables, but tidied away, so I'm happy with those, but if you
have ribbon cables blocking the air from a front fan or blocking air to the
hard disks, then either just tidy them up, or replace with round ones. Do
you ever actually use the floppy drive? I scrapped mine a few years ago -
that is 1 less ribbon cable!
>Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
>improve the air circulation in the case to the point it will make a
>notable difference in the case temperature?
Usually no. The primary restrictions in airflow are almost
always the intake and exhaust points on the walls of the
case. However some people have their so-called "case"
system temperature report coming from the soundbridge or a
chip near the right side of the motherboard, and in that
case it can create a false impression that a cable makes a
difference because it simply blocks (or doesn't) airflow to
the temp sensor.
On the other hand, they can't hurt. If setting up a new box
why not use them? Just don't buy some if you have an
overheating problem then expect any significant benefit.
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> "Jack Gillis" <XXXXXXXX@widomaker.com> wrote in message
> news:11dnfuq13kabo96@corp.supernews.com...
>> Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
>> improve the air circulation in the case to the point it will make a
>> notable difference in the case temperature?
>
> Possibly!!
>
> It depends how badly the ribbon cables currently block the air flow. I
> have flat ribbon cables, but tidied away, so I'm happy with those, but
> if you have ribbon cables blocking the air from a front fan or
> blocking air to the hard disks, then either just tidy them up, or
> replace with round ones. Do you ever actually use the floppy drive? I
> scrapped mine a few years ago - that is 1 less ribbon cable!
>
Thank you.
About once a month I get an update on a floppy from a club I belong to.
If it weren't for that, I probably would do away with the drive.
BTW, alsi thanks for your response to my other question in another
thread about SATA. That is the clincher to just get another IDE.
>Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
>improve the air circulation in the case to the point it will make a
>notable difference in the case temperature?
>
>Thank you.
They really clean up your case if its small and cramped and you have a
lot of them. I used to have a small mid size case Antec and used 6 HDs
and 2 ATAPI devices and that thing was totally cluttered with flat
cables and other wires a total mess. The round cables I eventutally
got for it really cleaned up the interior of the case. I still use
them in my tower case.
They used to be relatively expensive. They are pretty cheap now so
theres no reason not to use them except that you get flat cables all
the time with a drive or MB so it does add to your cost even if its
cheap.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:21:59 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
>On the other hand, they can't hurt. If setting up a new box
>why not use them?
So you are an advocate of round IDE cables. So am I, but the ATA
standards police think otherwise. I am glad to see someone with
experience doesn't have a problem with them. Of course make sure they
are 80-wire.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:30:53 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:21:59 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>>Will replacing the IDE and Floppy ribbon cables with rounded ones
>
>>On the other hand, they can't hurt. If setting up a new box
>>why not use them?
>
>So you are an advocate of round IDE cables. So am I, but the ATA
>standards police think otherwise. I am glad to see someone with
>experience doesn't have a problem with them. Of course make sure they
>are 80-wire.
Aren't they all 80 conductor now? I dont' recall seeing any
40 conductor recently, was mostly a novelty back when I did,
homemade stuff on some kid's website IIRC.
I wouldn't pay $14 a pop for 'em like some people do, but
I"ll usually throw a few sets in every time I order from
svc.com, as they're pretty cheap there to begin with and
even cheaper when on clearance. Still haven't figured out
what to do with all the leftover ribbon cables though, I
stil have a few dozen brand new 40 conductor cables.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:34:25 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't pay $14 a pop for 'em like some people do, but
>I"ll usually throw a few sets in every time I order from
>svc.com, as they're pretty cheap there to begin with and
>even cheaper when on clearance.
$3.00 at Directron, dual device.
>Still haven't figured out
>what to do with all the leftover ribbon cables though, I
>stil have a few dozen brand new 40 conductor cables.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:40:36 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:34:25 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>I wouldn't pay $14 a pop for 'em like some people do, but
>>I"ll usually throw a few sets in every time I order from
>>svc.com, as they're pretty cheap there to begin with and
>>even cheaper when on clearance.
>
>$3.00 at Directron, dual device.
That's a good price, but do you have many sizes and cable
sheathing options? It is reasonable to buy from Directron
if one placed other orders there but I'd mentiond SVC
because they often have some for less than $3, fancier
cables for around $2-5, and that shipping from SVC can be
cheaper for very small orders.
>
>>Still haven't figured out
>>what to do with all the leftover ribbon cables though, I
>>stil have a few dozen brand new 40 conductor cables.
>
>Throw them away.
Seems a little wasteful, no? They make good backups, such
that when there is some drive problem and you want to swap
in a cable to rule out that possibility, you have a brand
new sealed cable to try. I find more use for the 40
conductor cables in general though, because the larger wire
size makes for easier manipulation when used for other
electrical/etc (unrelated) projects.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:17:28 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>$3.00 at Directron, dual device.
>That's a good price, but do you have many sizes and cable
>sheathing options?
18", 24", single device, sual device. All have boots. Directron caters
to the custom build market that likes to make colorful statements with
their computers, so they have a range of funky cables too. The only
funk I pay any attention to is George Clinton, so I just get the plain
kind.
>>Throw them away.
>Seems a little wasteful, no?
Packrat.
I bet you have a full collection of vacuum tubes somewhere, just in
case.
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:17:28 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>>$3.00 at Directron, dual device.
>
>>That's a good price, but do you have many sizes and cable
>>sheathing options?
>
> 18", 24", single device, sual device. All have boots. Directron caters
> to the custom build market that likes to make colorful statements with
> their computers, so they have a range of funky cables too. The only
> funk I pay any attention to is George Clinton, so I just get the plain
> kind.
>
>>>Throw them away.
>
>>Seems a little wasteful, no?
>
> Packrat.
>
> I bet you have a full collection of vacuum tubes somewhere, just in
> case.
>
5U4's, 6L6's and 12AX7's. Need some?
>
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"Bob" wrote:
> kony wrote:
>
>>That's a good price, but do you have many sizes and cable
>>sheathing options?
>
> 18", 24", single device, sual device. All have boots. Directron caters
> to the custom build market that likes to make colorful statements with
> their computers, so they have a range of funky cables too.
Jack Gillis wrote:
> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
>
.... snip ...
>>
>> I bet you have a full collection of vacuum tubes somewhere, just
>> in case.
>
> 5U4's, 6L6's and 12AX7's. Need some?
I had all those, plus such things as 24As, 27s, 6J8, 807, etc.
Even the odd 201A with a bayonet base. Then my wife cleaned out
the basement, including the transconductance tube tester. We used
to buy 12AU7s for about ten cents each. Just barely worthwhile
picking them up off the floor.
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:56:34 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>>>Throw them away.
>
>>Seems a little wasteful, no?
>
>Packrat.
>
>I bet you have a full collection of vacuum tubes somewhere, just in
>case.
I'll gladly take any spare tubes off your hands rather than
having them thrown out.
Cables and dongles though- 100 would fit in a box the size
of a single case. I'll still slowly throwing out old AT
stuff. In the good old days cases were nice and strong,
could be stacked 4-high. Good use of basement space.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:28:55 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:38:07 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>I'll still slowly throwing out old AT stuff.
>
>AT stuff??? That's 20 years old.
>
>You are beyond redemption.
Naw, AT stuff was still being sold 10 years old, though
being phased out at that point. Thing is, just because I
don't want to build a new box today out of AT parts, let
alone use one myself, there are some people out there that
are downright stingy when it comes to buying computers, want
just to keep their box running.
Pull the old AT PSU out, swap in another one and 5 minutes
later they're good to go. I'll end up throwing enough
memory into their box that they end up with 64MB (cacheable
limit on many socket 7 boards) and they can continue getting
email, websurfing and office docs, which is all many people
do with a system anyway.
Besides that, there are a lot of other misc parts one can
find of use in an old AT box. Ever priced decent rubber
feet at digikey et al? Same goes with other misc parts like
bi-pin connectors, cables, etc. That's not justification to
keep a whole system though, hence I _am_ throwing them
out... not collecting them. Just didn't have any need to
regain that corner of the basement.
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:39 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>Naw, AT stuff was still being sold 10 years old, though
>being phased out at that point. Thing is, just because I
>don't want to build a new box today out of AT parts, let
>alone use one myself, there are some people out there that
>are downright stingy when it comes to buying computers, want
>just to keep their box running.
But you can get a used P3 from Directron for only $69.
# Specifications: CPU: Pentium 3 450 MHz;
# Memory: 128MB;
# Hard Drive: Seagate 6.1GB;
# Optical Drive: Sony DVD-ROM;
# Floppy Drive: TEAC 1.44MB;
# LAN: Onboard;
# Audio: Creative SoundBlaster PCI 128 CT4700 onboard;
# Video: 8MB ATI Xpert 98 or Rage Pro 2X AGP onboard;
# Ports: 2USB, 1Parallel, 2Serial;
# Motherboard: Original Intel board.
# Case: Inwin Desktop with PowerMan power supply. The power supply
includes an extra AC plug for accessories/peripherals.
# Operating System: Windows 95 or 98;
# Software: Office Suite 97 and others (no warranty or support on any
of the software).
>Pull the old AT PSU out, swap in another one and 5 minutes
>later they're good to go. I'll end up throwing enough
>memory into their box that they end up with 64MB (cacheable
>limit on many socket 7 boards) and they can continue getting
>email, websurfing and office docs, which is all many people
>do with a system anyway.
But you have to charge them at least $69 to make it worth your while.
>Besides that, there are a lot of other misc parts one can
>find of use in an old AT box. Ever priced decent rubber
>feet at digikey et al? Same goes with other misc parts like
>bi-pin connectors, cables, etc. That's not justification to
>keep a whole system though, hence I _am_ throwing them
>out... not collecting them. Just didn't have any need to
>regain that corner of the basement.
The mice that have made nests in those old cases must love you. It's
like a high-rise condo to them.
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the state or society. It is thus directly opposed to collectivism.
Bob wrote:
> kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll still slowly throwing out old AT stuff.
>
> AT stuff??? That's 20 years old.
>
> You are beyond redemption.
I've got some XT stuff here. If I could unload its hard disks (one
of which failed) I'd be willing to junk it, but I want the wide
track floppy drives. So far that seems to be the best chance of
recovering some lost software. And yes, that software is viable
today.
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"Bob" wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:38:07 GMT, kony wrote:
>
> >I'll still slowly throwing out old AT stuff.
>
> AT stuff??? That's 20 years old.
>
> You are beyond redemption.
Bah, I've still got a couple of 386 systems laying about, along with two IBM
PS2 systems (an 8086 and a 286).
I must admit I have been thinking about clearing them out through, but it
seems such a waste....
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:07:27 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:42:39 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>Naw, AT stuff was still being sold 10 years old, though
>>being phased out at that point. Thing is, just because I
>>don't want to build a new box today out of AT parts, let
>>alone use one myself, there are some people out there that
>>are downright stingy when it comes to buying computers, want
>>just to keep their box running.
>
>But you can get a used P3 from Directron for only $69.
>
>http://www.directron.com/gxa.html
It's not my $, not my system. I already have parts I could
make as good or better a system out of just lying around but
that is not what many people want, they ONLY want their
current system running again. Plus considering the
Directron system:
1) It's already old, it too may fail.
2) It needs completely setup for their uses, uses which
they were content with on their present system. Remember
that not everyone "needs" more than office, email, and basic
websurfing. Plus, it's not so clear they have a viable
license to use their software on the Directron system, nor
how much if any software that "might" happen to be on the
Directron system's HDD, is legal to use at all. A box
without software isnt' so useful.
3) Their webpage note: "Systems will only be shipped UPS
3day (or faster) or Fedex 3day." Go ahead and price 3-day
on a whole box... not exactly cheap, it's not only $69
delivered.
># Operating System: Windows 95 or 98;
># Software: Office Suite 97 and others (no warranty or support on any
>of the software).
Does it ship with the licenses for these?
>
>>Pull the old AT PSU out, swap in another one and 5 minutes
>>later they're good to go. I'll end up throwing enough
>>memory into their box that they end up with 64MB (cacheable
>>limit on many socket 7 boards) and they can continue getting
>>email, websurfing and office docs, which is all many people
>>do with a system anyway.
>
>But you have to charge them at least $69 to make it worth your while.
Maybe I'm just the kind of person that believes in doing
things for others sometimes without trying to make a buck
off of it, particularly when it's not costing me anything to
do so. It's not like they're expecting let alone demanding
any particular turnaround time or a warranty.
I will give them a power supply for free or base it on their
ability to pay in some cases, depending on what gets done.
If they had need for spyware/viri removal (more and more
common these days) that may not have a lot to do with
keeping their old system running vs. buying the one from
Directron or wherever. Plus the way I see it, they aren't
rolling in dough if they're using a 10 year old system.
It's 5 minutes and sometimes they offer to pay more than 5
minutes of my time is worth, other times they'll come back
and buy a new system, or refer someone else that does.
Everyone has their own criteria for what's a for-pay service
and what's free, good PR, or whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
>
>>Besides that, there are a lot of other misc parts one can
>>find of use in an old AT box. Ever priced decent rubber
>>feet at digikey et al? Same goes with other misc parts like
>>bi-pin connectors, cables, etc. That's not justification to
>>keep a whole system though, hence I _am_ throwing them
>>out... not collecting them. Just didn't have any need to
>>regain that corner of the basement.
>
>The mice that have made nests in those old cases must love you. It's
>like a high-rise condo to them.
You're being ridiculous. When I get an old box I take it
out back and put a leaf-blower to it (seriously, sometimes I
do this because I'm definitely NOT going to muck around with
a lot of someone else's dust). Beyond that, there's no
problems letting 'em sit. Sometimes the batteries are dead
but i have plenty. Other times the case just starts to rust
a little but we're not talking about reusing the case
itself, it just happens to be the most convenient container
since the parts are in it.
You just aren't thinking in a same mindframe, you are an
end-user with needs for one system, perhaps a couple but
I've been servicing/selling/more for years, in addition to
my own personal-use systems.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:36:00 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>Plus considering the
>Directron system:
>1) It's already old, it too may fail.
It came from the Houston public schools. Likely never used.
>2) It needs completely setup for their uses, uses which
>they were content with on their present system. Remember
>that not everyone "needs" more than office, email, and basic
>websurfing. Plus, it's not so clear they have a viable
>license to use their software on the Directron system, nor
>how much if any software that "might" happen to be on the
>Directron system's HDD, is legal to use at all. A box
>without software isnt' so useful.
The box comes with the s/w, so it is licensed. IOW it was an OEM
setup.
>3) Their webpage note: "Systems will only be shipped UPS
>3day (or faster) or Fedex 3day." Go ahead and price 3-day
>on a whole box... not exactly cheap, it's not only $69
>delivered.
I would not know about that since I live a few miles away from
Directron.
>># Operating System: Windows 95 or 98;
>># Software: Office Suite 97 and others (no warranty or support on any
>>of the software).
>Does it ship with the licenses for these?
Who cares.
>Maybe I'm just the kind of person that believes in doing
>things for others sometimes without trying to make a buck
>off of it, particularly when it's not costing me anything to
>do so. It's not like they're expecting let alone demanding
>any particular turnaround time or a warranty.
I assumed it was for pay. If not, then you must be very popular with
all those legacy computer parts.
>>The mice that have made nests in those old cases must love you. It's
>>like a high-rise condo to them.
>You're being ridiculous.
No shit! Did it take you this long to figure that out.
>When I get an old box I take it
>out back and put a leaf-blower to it (seriously, sometimes I
>do this because I'm definitely NOT going to muck around with
>a lot of someone else's dust). Beyond that, there's no
>problems letting 'em sit. Sometimes the batteries are dead
>but i have plenty.
You save old batteries too. You're incorrigible.
>You just aren't thinking in a same mindframe,
I am trying to introduce a little levity here, and you took me far too
seriously.
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liberty, belief in the primary importance of the individual and in the virtues
of self-reliance and personal independence. It embraces opposition to authority
and to all manner of controls over the individual, especially when exercised by
the state or society. It is thus directly opposed to collectivism.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:22:59 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:36:00 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>Plus considering the
>>Directron system:
>
>>1) It's already old, it too may fail.
>
>It came from the Houston public schools. Likely never used.
Err, I tend to think the opposite is true, that it's just as
likely they were booted up in the morning then ran all day,
every school day for years. It matters not if a kid was
pecking on the keyboard. Even if that isn't true, it
doesn't necessarily matter. Over time contact contamination
builds up, the battery drains, the capacitors start drying
out. Granted most of these things are relatively easily
rectified, and on the Intel OEM SE440BX boards they used
very good caps (for that era)... if it weren't for that I'd
have called them junk, but they are solid foundations for an
older system if that's what someone needs.
Even so, keep in mind that again we consider different
perspectives. The liked Directron box was a 450MHz. I can
throw a 400MHz K6 into a box for (free since I have a few)
practically no cost to system owner. It wouldn't be as good
a performer but frankly it's splitting hairs at this point,
would be in the same ballpark yet either antiques by modern
standards. The beauty of old boxes is that they're
practically free- $100 is nowhere near free, particularly
when you can get a low-end Compaq box now for under $300 if
you keep an eye out for sales, and with the current price
wars under $200 should be a reality. I don't like such
cheap stuff BUT once again- it's not my $$$.
>
>>2) It needs completely setup for their uses, uses which
>>they were content with on their present system. Remember
>>that not everyone "needs" more than office, email, and basic
>>websurfing. Plus, it's not so clear they have a viable
>>license to use their software on the Directron system, nor
>>how much if any software that "might" happen to be on the
>>Directron system's HDD, is legal to use at all. A box
>>without software isnt' so useful.
>
>The box comes with the s/w, so it is licensed. IOW it was an OEM
>setup.
No. It either comes with the physical license certificate
or it is definitely not licensed, illegal to use it. Even
if it is the exact installation it shipped with from the
Dell factory which WAS licensed for use to the original
purchaser, it is defintely NOT licensed for use to anyone
who does not possess the license certificate.
Fortunately after a certain point ('98 or '99?) most OEMs
started putting the windows certificate right on the side or
rear of the case. That doesn't cover any other software
though. Granted, you'd probably not get caught using it,
but if we want to delve into details you're not really
getting any software you don't have a license for, it's same
difference as getting a blank hard drive and downloading
warez off the internet that was the same title Dell had at
the time.
>
>>3) Their webpage note: "Systems will only be shipped UPS
>>3day (or faster) or Fedex 3day." Go ahead and price 3-day
>>on a whole box... not exactly cheap, it's not only $69
>>delivered.
>
>I would not know about that since I live a few miles away from
>Directron.
>
>>># Operating System: Windows 95 or 98;
>>># Software: Office Suite 97 and others (no warranty or support on any
>>>of the software).
>
>>Does it ship with the licenses for these?
>
>Who cares.
The issue of setup is significant. I'm willing to plop in a
power supply for (often free) little to no cost. I'm not
going to order, receive, set up and configure then migrate
someone else's system to that Dell for free. Suddenly it's
not a $100 ($69 plus S/H) system anymore.
I just can't see the justification for it frankly, not from
a 10 year old box as most could've been upgraded to at least
a 200-400MHz CPU very cheaply- since those CPUs alone have
practically no value. Take the remaining $80 and get a nice
new hard drive and IDE controller card (or SATA, whatever),
and it'll run a lot faster at those typical
office/email/surfing tasks that are oh-so-common.
>
>>Maybe I'm just the kind of person that believes in doing
>>things for others sometimes without trying to make a buck
>>off of it, particularly when it's not costing me anything to
>>do so. It's not like they're expecting let alone demanding
>>any particular turnaround time or a warranty.
>
>I assumed it was for pay. If not, then you must be very popular with
>all those legacy computer parts.
I do some things for pay, but if something only takes 5
minutes and no parts cost, often it'll be free. Depends a
lot on the situation- many have bought systems from me or
will when the time comes. I don't push, sway, or anything
like that, simply asking them if they need more performance.
It suprises me too but many don't.
> Sometimes the batteries are dead
>>but i have plenty.
>
>You save old batteries too. You're incorrigible.
?
No I buy batteries in bulk, lots of 10 makes 'em cheaper.
Why would I keep decade old batteries?
>
>>You just aren't thinking in a same mindframe,
>
>I am trying to introduce a little levity here, and you took me far too
>seriously.
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of self-reliance and personal independence. It embraces opposition to authority
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