On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:11:12 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>Then he could look at Task Manager, click the mouse and watch to see
>>which application is taking up CPU time. Of course he wants to unload
>>everything he can so there are no competing processes.
>It might reveal something, but too often such things aren't
>listed under separate processes so while it could pinpoint
>something, often it won't.
Something is chewing up cycles so maybe it will manifest itself in the
process table.
However, after having a look at all the crap he had on his machine, I
don't think this will be of much help.
Because of the very long time involved, it appears as though two (or
more) apps have hooked into the mouse interrupt and are going back and
forth looking for something that is not there. Finally, after 10
seconds, one of them gives up and the mouse then responds as it is
supposed to.
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:47:10 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 17:09:03 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>>C:\Program Files\CA\eTrust EZ Armor\eTrust EZ Antivirus\isafe.exe
>
>>You might temporarily uninstall the antivirus, only long
>>enough to check whether it's a cause.
>
>>>C:\PROGRA~1\CA\ETRUST~1\ETRUST~1\VetMsg.exe
>
>>Appears to be another antivirus or security related.
>
>It's part of Computer Associates eTrust EZ Antivirus. They acquired it
>from an Oz firm with the name "Vet" and the old drivers are still
>named such.
>
>I have it on my machine and it does not cause any mouse problems.
That is good to know, but it seems that often software will
be tested enough that at least on the testbeds it works
properly- but not in all cases. The problems being seen by
the OP might not appear on all users' systems.
<snipped hijackthis log>
>Good grief! I thought I had a lot of stuff on my machine, but this
>must be a record. No wonder the mouse doesn't work right.
Yeah it was quite a list, but that's fairly common for an
OEM box that still has a majority of the original software
on it plus a few things the owner adds. In the long run
it's part of the reason I sometimes suggest wiping a drive
and doing a clean Windows (only) install, rather than
restoring a system to an OEM factory state.
Even so, a box can run a lot of stuff like that ok,
providing it has ample memory... probably needs at least
64MB or more addt'l memory for all of it though.
>
>After he cleans all this crap off, he needs to run a half dozen
>Registry cleaners. Or maybe he should just uninstall/reinstall
>Windows. I hate to recommend that but with so much crap on this
>version it's a miracle anything runs.
I wouldn't worry so much about the registry, after
uninstalling anything unneeded one can use HijackThis to
check off items to be removed. There would still be a
little excess clutter in the registry, but since the
registry is several MB in size it's not much of a factor to
have an extra few hundred KB of unnecessary entries in it...
not very time effective to try to clean them all manually
and "sometimes" those registry cleaner utilities do more
harm than good.
>
>There is an old adage that you can tell how good a mechanics is not by
>how dirty he gets but by how clean he stays.
I've never subscribed to either. Rather, how clean the
(car?) stays or the attention to detail. Hard to find
really good mechanics these days though, even if they do a
supposedly-good job and fix any problems they seldom give a
car the TLC the owner would if they could.
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:32:12 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>>It's part of Computer Associates eTrust EZ Antivirus. They acquired it
>>from an Oz firm with the name "Vet" and the old drivers are still
>>named such.
>>I have it on my machine and it does not cause any mouse problems.
>That is good to know, but it seems that often software will
>be tested enough that at least on the testbeds it works
>properly- but not in all cases. The problems being seen by
>the OP might not appear on all users' systems.
I should mention that CA is promoting their AV package on Road Runner,
so it is getting a good workout.
>Yeah it was quite a list, but that's fairly common for an
>OEM box that still has a majority of the original software
>on it plus a few things the owner adds. In the long run
>it's part of the reason I sometimes suggest wiping a drive
>and doing a clean Windows (only) install, rather than
>restoring a system to an OEM factory state.
I'm glad I am my own OEM. I have never seen so much crap, not even on
a Dell or Compaq.
>Even so, a box can run a lot of stuff like that ok,
>providing it has ample memory... probably needs at least
>64MB or more addt'l memory for all of it though.
Yeah, but how can anyone possibly figure out what's going on with all
that crap on their machine.
>>After he cleans all this crap off, he needs to run a half dozen
>>Registry cleaners. Or maybe he should just uninstall/reinstall
>>Windows. I hate to recommend that but with so much crap on this
>>version it's a miracle anything runs.
>I wouldn't worry so much about the registry, after
>uninstalling anything unneeded one can use HijackThis to
>check off items to be removed. There would still be a
>little excess clutter in the registry, but since the
>registry is several MB in size it's not much of a factor to
>have an extra few hundred KB of unnecessary entries in it...
>not very time effective to try to clean them all manually
>and "sometimes" those registry cleaner utilities do more
>harm than good.
I wasn't worried about the size of the Registry - even mine is bloated
with legacy crap from 8 years. I was concerned about conflicts, in
particular the kind that show up later.
As far as Registry cleaners doing more harm than good, you can say
that about any tool.
>>There is an old adage that you can tell how good a mechanics is not by
>>how dirty he gets but by how clean he stays.
>I've never subscribed to either. Rather, how clean the
>(car?) stays or the attention to detail. Hard to find
>really good mechanics these days though, even if they do a
>supposedly-good job and fix any problems they seldom give a
>car the TLC the owner would if they could.
You get what you pay for. Pay enough and you will get excellent
service.
"The societal purpose of the media is to inculcate and defend the
economic, social, and political agenda of privileged groups that
dominate the domestic society and the state. The media serve this
purpose in many ways: through the selection of topics, distribution
of concerns, framing of issues, filtering of information, emphasis
and tone, and by keeping debate within the bounds of acceptable premises."
Go to run -> msconfig. Disable everything except your
firewall/antivirus (if you have them).
See if the mouse works normally now.
See if your system works acceptably without all the "junk" (no offence
intended).
If you're OK with the way your system is with just firewall + antivirus
without all the bells & whistles, then start uninstalling (or as the
other posters said, reinstall a clean Windows).
It is often a matter of choice, but I prefer a quick, responsive system
with minimal latency, rather than a bogged down system with all the
fancy bells & whistles.
Thanks. I disabled everything and the mouse seems to work better, though
still not as fast as I think it should. I'm going to enable some of the
stuff now. Don't know why I have all the "junk"; I don't think I have added
or downloaded an inordinate amount of stuff. I'm leaving town for a couple
of weeks, so won't be able to work on this, but really appreciate everyone's
help and suggestions.
Bob
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> Bob, try this:
>
> Go to run -> msconfig. Disable everything except your
> firewall/antivirus (if you have them).
>
> See if the mouse works normally now.
>
> See if your system works acceptably without all the "junk" (no offence
> intended).
>
> If you're OK with the way your system is with just firewall + antivirus
> without all the bells & whistles, then start uninstalling (or as the
> other posters said, reinstall a clean Windows).
>
> It is often a matter of choice, but I prefer a quick, responsive system
> with minimal latency, rather than a bogged down system with all the
> fancy bells & whistles.
>
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:25:05 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>Yeah, but how can anyone possibly figure out what's going on with all
>that crap on their machine.
Tediously?
If it's calling files you can search for them on the local
drive, or Google, or note the folders they're coming from in
the startup list. It's also useful to note what was running
when system is factory fresh, or at least after that factory
config is pared back a bit. Then later it's more a matter
of noting what had changed. Some apps like HijackThis also
allow an exclusion list so you don't have to keep weeding
through the known valid stuff over and over again.
>
>>>After he cleans all this crap off, he needs to run a half dozen
>>>Registry cleaners. Or maybe he should just uninstall/reinstall
>>>Windows. I hate to recommend that but with so much crap on this
>>>version it's a miracle anything runs.
>
>>I wouldn't worry so much about the registry, after
>>uninstalling anything unneeded one can use HijackThis to
>>check off items to be removed. There would still be a
>>little excess clutter in the registry, but since the
>>registry is several MB in size it's not much of a factor to
>>have an extra few hundred KB of unnecessary entries in it...
>>not very time effective to try to clean them all manually
>>and "sometimes" those registry cleaner utilities do more
>>harm than good.
>
>I wasn't worried about the size of the Registry - even mine is bloated
>with legacy crap from 8 years. I was concerned about conflicts, in
>particular the kind that show up later.
You did an upgrade OS install though, right? That's a much
larger potential for registry anomolies.
>
>As far as Registry cleaners doing more harm than good, you can say
>that about any tool.
True, but generally I don't find registry entries to be so
much of a problem to have confidence in other apps
indiscriminately deciding what to get rid of, at least not
unless they show details before making any changes.
>
>>>There is an old adage that you can tell how good a mechanics is not by
>>>how dirty he gets but by how clean he stays.
>
>>I've never subscribed to either. Rather, how clean the
>>(car?) stays or the attention to detail. Hard to find
>>really good mechanics these days though, even if they do a
>>supposedly-good job and fix any problems they seldom give a
>>car the TLC the owner would if they could.
>
>You get what you pay for. Pay enough and you will get excellent
>service.
Sounds good in theory, but then good mechanics start getting
more business and end up hiring helpers- then you're back to
square one again.
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:08:57 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>Tediously?
>If it's calling files you can search for them on the local
>drive, or Google, or note the folders they're coming from in
>the startup list. It's also useful to note what was running
>when system is factory fresh, or at least after that factory
>config is pared back a bit. Then later it's more a matter
>of noting what had changed. Some apps like HijackThis also
>allow an exclusion list so you don't have to keep weeding
>through the known valid stuff over and over again.
Here's something I just thought of. There is a utility called Regmon
that displays the activity in the Registry in real time. I have used
it to track down things that I could not otherwise locate.
It's free for home use. You run it and it puts out a window showing
all the current Registry activity. You can filter the display and you
can freeze it for later study.
All the OP has to do is run Regmon and then get his mouse to act up.
During those 10 seconds there should be something show up in Regmon
that he will be able to see - something that keeps happening over and
over again for the 10 seconds and then disappears after the time is
up.
>You did an upgrade OS install though, right? That's a much
>larger potential for registry anomolies.
That's why I swabbed the livin' crap out of the Registry with as many
credible Registry cleaners I could find. A couple of them were brutal,
forcing me to restore their dirty work. But I managed to clean the
Registry up pretty good - all that shold remain is legacy bloat.
>>As far as Registry cleaners doing more harm than good, you can say
>>that about any tool.
>True, but generally I don't find registry entries to be so
>much of a problem to have confidence in other apps
>indiscriminately deciding what to get rid of, at least not
>unless they show details before making any changes.
You don't let a cleaner indiscriminently remove something. You make
full backups and if the cleaner overcleans, you restore. It's very
tedious work, but it is far simpler than starting over with a new OS.
>Sounds good in theory, but then good mechanics start getting
>more business and end up hiring helpers- then you're back to
>square one again.
I had that happen to me once so I know where you are coming from.
But I have it good - my son-in-law works as a supervisor for the
largest Lexus dealer on the Gulf Coast in Houston - and he builds
racing cars as a hobby. If I need help or advice, all I have to do is
put a couple sides of ribs in the pit.
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 03:43:06 GMT, "Bob" <bobinsfo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks. I disabled everything and the mouse seems to work better, though
>still not as fast as I think it should. I'm going to enable some of the
>stuff now. Don't know why I have all the "junk"; I don't think I have added
>or downloaded an inordinate amount of stuff. I'm leaving town for a couple
>of weeks, so won't be able to work on this, but really appreciate everyone's
>help and suggestions.
and run it while you play with the mouse. Watch for any process that
talks to the Registry excessively during that 10 second period. You
can freeze the display so you can study the entries.
You can filter out things on the display so it is less cluttered, so
maybe you can trap the offending application.
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