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Old 10-08-2008, 10:20 AM
Banana
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Default Upgrade advice needed

Hello,

I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out of
date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.

It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.

I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
have much; only about £100 ($174)!

With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would *you*
upgrade?

I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that it,
"...supports the memory size up to 2GB".

I must admit that I'm not all that clued up on memory. Is there a limit to
the speed of memory that my mobo will support?

Then again, maybe I would be better spending my money on a different
component, or even putting it towards a new mobo? What do you think?

Any help or comments greatly welcomed.

Best wishes,

Paul.

System Spec...

System Model: MS-7058

Mobo: 915P Combo
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154

Chipset: Intel® 915 Express Chipset Family

Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT

1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/m...D264646D8J.jsp

Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
http://www.evga.com/articles/310.asp
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html

Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowA....aspx?sid=2602

Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]
http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...id=603&lang=en

2 x DVD ReWriter

OS: XP Pro SP 3

Power Supply: Blue Storm 500W
http://info.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=45512
[*] Dual boot:
2 x XP Pro;
1 for general use and rubbish and clutter!
2 very clean OS with only games and essentials installed.



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Old 10-08-2008, 10:49 AM
GT
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Default Re: Upgrade advice needed

"Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>
> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>
> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>
> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would *you*
> upgrade?


Everything you need to know about your motherboard is on the page you linked
to.

> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]


For £100, I don't think you can improve your performance hugely as you would
need to buy expensive parts to replace the fast stuff that you already have.
You could hunt around ebay for a 3.6 or 3.8 P4. There are some 3.6s for
about £60 and some 3.8s for about £80, but your motherboard won't take the
core2Duo parts and you won't get a (decent) new processor and board for
£100. A 3.6 or 3.8 P4 will up your performance by 20%-30%. You could even
consider a more powerful cooling system and look at overclocking. Not sure
how well your motherboard would overclock though - research that on google.

You can't afford a faster GFX card. Simple as that!

If it were me, I would definitely get more RAM as Priority 1. 1GB will be
holding back load times etc on some games and potentially slowing multiple
application work. Your Motherboard will take DDR2 at either 400 or 533, so
you could fill it with a pair of 1GB DDR2-533 DIMMS. I have no problems
personally in buying stuff from ebay shops and for this RAM I would
recommend you do just that (or whereever is cheapest). I don't personally
think you will see any performance improvement by quibling over CAS timings
on the RAM at this level. You could put your existing DDR memory on ebay.
Sell it as a 'matched pair' (asuming it is!) and you will get more interest,
although DDR is old now, so don't expect more than a tenner! If you upgrade
your processor, you could also sell that, probably for a similar price. With
the extra money, why not consider a newer, faster hard disk. You could pick
up a fast 500Gig Samsung or WD for £40-50.




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Old 10-08-2008, 10:52 AM
GT
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"GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_this_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:003a8384$0$18922$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> "Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:CradnUfl65noFHHVnZ2dnUVZ8qrinZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
>> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>
>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>
>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
>> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>
>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>> *you* upgrade?

>
> Everything you need to know about your motherboard is on the page you
> linked to.
>
>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
>> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
>> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]

>
> For £100, I don't think you can improve your performance hugely as you
> would need to buy expensive parts to replace the fast stuff that you
> already have. You could hunt around ebay for a 3.6 or 3.8 P4. There are
> some 3.6s for about £60 and some 3.8s for about £80, but your motherboard
> won't take the core2Duo parts and you won't get a (decent) new processor
> and board for £100. A 3.6 or 3.8 P4 will up your performance by 20%-30%.
> You could even consider a more powerful cooling system and look at
> overclocking. Not sure how well your motherboard would overclock though -
> research that on google.
>
> You can't afford a faster GFX card. Simple as that!
>
> If it were me, I would definitely get more RAM as Priority 1. 1GB will be
> holding back load times etc on some games and potentially slowing multiple
> application work. Your Motherboard will take DDR2 at either 400 or 533, so
> you could fill it with a pair of 1GB DDR2-533 DIMMS. I have no problems
> personally in buying stuff from ebay shops and for this RAM I would
> recommend you do just that (or whereever is cheapest). I don't personally
> think you will see any performance improvement by quibling over CAS
> timings on the RAM at this level. You could put your existing DDR memory
> on ebay. Sell it as a 'matched pair' (asuming it is!) and you will get
> more interest, although DDR is old now, so don't expect more than a
> tenner! If you upgrade your processor, you could also sell that, probably
> for a similar price. With the extra money, why not consider a newer,
> faster hard disk. You could pick up a fast 500Gig Samsung or WD for
> £40-50.


Ebay.co.uk item numbers (just search for the number on ebay):

130259983120 and 320304033298

Then sell your processor and RAm and use the money to buy 290266127760



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Old 10-08-2008, 12:11 PM
Paul
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Banana wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out of
> date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>
> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>
> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>
> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would *you*
> upgrade?
>
> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that it,
> "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".
>
> I must admit that I'm not all that clued up on memory. Is there a limit to
> the speed of memory that my mobo will support?
>
> Then again, maybe I would be better spending my money on a different
> component, or even putting it towards a new mobo? What do you think?
>
> Any help or comments greatly welcomed.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Paul.
>
> System Spec...
>
> System Model: MS-7058
>
> Mobo: 915P Combo
> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>
> Chipset: Intel® 915 Express Chipset Family
>
> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>
> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
> http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/m...D264646D8J.jsp
>
> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
> http://www.evga.com/articles/310.asp
> http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html
>
> Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
> http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowA....aspx?sid=2602
>
> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]
> http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...id=603&lang=en
>
> 2 x DVD ReWriter
>
> OS: XP Pro SP 3
>
> Power Supply: Blue Storm 500W
> http://info.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=45512
>
>[*] Dual boot:
> 2 x XP Pro;
> 1 for general use and rubbish and clutter!
> 2 very clean OS with only games and essentials installed.
>


After looking at this article, it doesn't look like DDR2-533 CAS3
RAM is really going to help a whole lot. If the games you play
need more than the 2x512MB you've got installed, then yes,
any kind of RAM that gives 2x1GB is going to help. (Because
the game will no longer be going to disk, to make up for
the RAM it needs.) But speedwise, it might not help - I
just wish they'd run the WinRAR benchmark here, because that
one is sensitive to memory, and would at least show
something of a difference.

(Look for yellow-gold and orange bars in the charts here...)
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2293&p=29

I've changed from 2x512MB to 2x1GB on my computer, when one of
my 512MB sticks died. The change I saw, is when I alt-tab out
of a game, I can load more other programs, without paging to
disk. But for the game itself, it didn't affect game play. Just
as slow as before.

I overclocked my P4 machine a bit, and that gave
slightly less hesitation or stutter in the game,
but doing so doesn't "open hew horizons" for the
computer. It doesn't mean I'm ready for the
whizzy new games coming out at Christmas. Only
"a really big pile of notes" can fix that - that
is the nature of PC gaming.

In terms of a strategy

1) Try overclocking your CPU - using the RAM dividers
available on the motherboard, you can turn down the
RAM setting, and turn up the CPU. You can do that
for free.

2) The next incremental step, would be a new motherboard,
new (cheap) DDR2 RAM, and a Core2 processor. The
E8400, for example, is a dual core that runs at 3GHz,
and that 3GHz is equivalent to your P4 running at
4.5 to about 5GHz. Or a quad core would also be a
candidate, as programs like FSX SP1 can use quad cores
to some extent (asymmetric loading).

3) With the higher performance processor present, you
can continue to play with the 7950GX2. But when something
GPU limited is installed on the machine, it'll be time to
change the video card.

If you still want to try your RAM idea, it doesn't have to be
expensive. This stuff is DDR2-800 CAS4 at 1.8V, 2x1GB for $33.
When run at DDR2-533 on your motherboard, it should do CAS3,
which would be about as good as it gets with stock settings.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820141299

This is what the datasheet for the 915P says -

"By using 256-Mb technology, the smallest memory capacity possible
is 128 MB, assuming single channel mode.

(16M rows * 16b/(row*device) * 4 devices/DIMM-side *
1 DIMM-side/channel * 1 channel *1B/8b = 128 MB).

By using 1-Gb technology in dual-channel interleaved mode, the
largest memory capacity possible is 8 GB.

(128M rows * 8b/(row*device) * 8 devices/DIMM-side *
4 DIMM-sides/channel * 2 channels * 1B/8b * 1G/1024M = 8 GB).

This exceeds a 32-bit address limit of 4 GB. In a 32-bit system,
only the first 4 GB of memory will be accessible."

Since you have two DDR2 slots available, it sounds from that, that
you could purchase 2x2GB. You won't get to use all of it though,
and with your video card, maybe a bit less than 3GB would be
shown as free in Windows. Whereas, the 2x1GB purchase, all the
RAM should show as available (not address space limited).

Paul

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Old 10-09-2008, 08:54 AM
GT
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"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:gci7m4$uik$1@aioe.org...
> Banana wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
>> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>
>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>
>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
>> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>
>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>> *you* upgrade?
>>
>> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that
>> it, "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".
>>
>> I must admit that I'm not all that clued up on memory. Is there a limit
>> to the speed of memory that my mobo will support?
>>
>> Then again, maybe I would be better spending my money on a different
>> component, or even putting it towards a new mobo? What do you think?
>>
>> Any help or comments greatly welcomed.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> System Spec...
>>
>> System Model: MS-7058
>>
>> Mobo: 915P Combo
>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>>
>> Chipset: Intel® 915 Express Chipset Family
>>
>> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>>
>> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
>> http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/m...D264646D8J.jsp
>>
>> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
>> http://www.evga.com/articles/310.asp
>> http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html
>>
>> Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
>> http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowA....aspx?sid=2602
>>
>> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]
>> http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...id=603&lang=en
>>
>> 2 x DVD ReWriter
>>
>> OS: XP Pro SP 3
>>
>> Power Supply: Blue Storm 500W
>> http://info.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=45512
>>
>>[*] Dual boot:
>> 2 x XP Pro;
>> 1 for general use and rubbish and clutter!
>> 2 very clean OS with only games and essentials installed.
>>

>
> After looking at this article, it doesn't look like DDR2-533 CAS3
> RAM is really going to help a whole lot. If the games you play
> need more than the 2x512MB you've got installed, then yes,
> any kind of RAM that gives 2x1GB is going to help. (Because
> the game will no longer be going to disk, to make up for
> the RAM it needs.) But speedwise, it might not help - I
> just wish they'd run the WinRAR benchmark here, because that
> one is sensitive to memory, and would at least show
> something of a difference.
>
> (Look for yellow-gold and orange bars in the charts here...)
> http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2293&p=29
>
> I've changed from 2x512MB to 2x1GB on my computer, when one of
> my 512MB sticks died. The change I saw, is when I alt-tab out
> of a game, I can load more other programs, without paging to
> disk. But for the game itself, it didn't affect game play. Just
> as slow as before.
>
> I overclocked my P4 machine a bit, and that gave
> slightly less hesitation or stutter in the game,
> but doing so doesn't "open hew horizons" for the
> computer. It doesn't mean I'm ready for the
> whizzy new games coming out at Christmas. Only
> "a really big pile of notes" can fix that - that
> is the nature of PC gaming.
>
> In terms of a strategy
>
> 1) Try overclocking your CPU - using the RAM dividers
> available on the motherboard, you can turn down the
> RAM setting, and turn up the CPU. You can do that
> for free.
>
> 2) The next incremental step, would be a new motherboard,
> new (cheap) DDR2 RAM, and a Core2 processor. The
> E8400, for example, is a dual core that runs at 3GHz,
> and that 3GHz is equivalent to your P4 running at
> 4.5 to about 5GHz. Or a quad core would also be a
> candidate, as programs like FSX SP1 can use quad cores
> to some extent (asymmetric loading).


*But not on your motherboard - see the CPU compatability list*

> 3) With the higher performance processor present, you
> can continue to play with the 7950GX2. But when something
> GPU limited is installed on the machine, it'll be time to
> change the video card.
>
> If you still want to try your RAM idea, it doesn't have to be
> expensive. This stuff is DDR2-800 CAS4 at 1.8V, 2x1GB for $33.
> When run at DDR2-533 on your motherboard, it should do CAS3,
> which would be about as good as it gets with stock settings.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820141299


Yes the 800 speed rating is the maximum speed for the RAM, so you could buy
DDR2-800 stuff and run it at 533. You will get better timings as Paul has
said. NewEgg is an american shop though, so not much use to us 'over here'.
Try 'CCL computers' or even 'Dabs' if you must! I would avoid PC World - the
spotty teenager staff offer no help at all and their prices are over the
top.

> This is what the datasheet for the 915P says -
>
> "By using 256-Mb technology, the smallest memory capacity possible
> is 128 MB, assuming single channel mode.
>
> (16M rows * 16b/(row*device) * 4 devices/DIMM-side *
> 1 DIMM-side/channel * 1 channel *1B/8b = 128 MB).
>
> By using 1-Gb technology in dual-channel interleaved mode, the
> largest memory capacity possible is 8 GB.
>
> (128M rows * 8b/(row*device) * 8 devices/DIMM-side *
> 4 DIMM-sides/channel * 2 channels * 1B/8b * 1G/1024M = 8 GB).
>
> This exceeds a 32-bit address limit of 4 GB. In a 32-bit system,
> only the first 4 GB of memory will be accessible."


*Also, not on your motherboard - see the motherboard link in the original
post*

> Since you have two DDR2 slots available, it sounds from that, that
> you could purchase 2x2GB. You won't get to use all of it though,
> and with your video card, maybe a bit less than 3GB would be
> shown as free in Windows. Whereas, the 2x1GB purchase, all the
> RAM should show as available (not address space limited).
>
> Paul




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Old 10-09-2008, 11:56 AM
Paul
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GT wrote:

>>
>> 2) The next incremental step, would be a new motherboard,
>> new (cheap) DDR2 RAM, and a Core2 processor. The
>> E8400, for example, is a dual core that runs at 3GHz,
>> and that 3GHz is equivalent to your P4 running at
>> 4.5 to about 5GHz. Or a quad core would also be a
>> candidate, as programs like FSX SP1 can use quad cores
>> to some extent (asymmetric loading).

>
> *But not on your motherboard - see the CPU compatability list*


And that is why the sentence says "a new motherboard".

>
>> This is what the datasheet for the 915P says -
>>
>> "By using 256-Mb technology, the smallest memory capacity possible
>> is 128 MB, assuming single channel mode.
>>
>> (16M rows * 16b/(row*device) * 4 devices/DIMM-side *
>> 1 DIMM-side/channel * 1 channel *1B/8b = 128 MB).
>>
>> By using 1-Gb technology in dual-channel interleaved mode, the
>> largest memory capacity possible is 8 GB.
>>
>> (128M rows * 8b/(row*device) * 8 devices/DIMM-side *
>> 4 DIMM-sides/channel * 2 channels * 1B/8b * 1G/1024M = 8 GB).
>>
>> This exceeds a 32-bit address limit of 4 GB. In a 32-bit system,
>> only the first 4 GB of memory will be accessible."

>
> *Also, not on your motherboard - see the motherboard link in the original
> post*


That information is from the Intel 915P datasheet. If a motherboard
design has four DDR2 slots, you can install 8GB of memory. But the
chipset could only access 4GB of it (I presume if I checked the
pinout, it is a chipset with HA[31:3], and not capable of more than
32 bit addressing). With two slots available on this particular
motherboard model, you could install 2x2GB, as Intel says that is
the maximum density.

In other words, the motherboard manual is wrong, if it does not
match the information provided by Intel.

>
>> Since you have two DDR2 slots available, it sounds from that, that
>> you could purchase 2x2GB. You won't get to use all of it though,
>> and with your video card, maybe a bit less than 3GB would be
>> shown as free in Windows. Whereas, the 2x1GB purchase, all the
>> RAM should show as available (not address space limited).
>>
>> Paul


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Old 10-09-2008, 01:09 PM
GT
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"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:gckr52$nld$1@aioe.org...
> GT wrote:
>
>>>
>>> 2) The next incremental step, would be a new motherboard,
>>> new (cheap) DDR2 RAM, and a Core2 processor. The
>>> E8400, for example, is a dual core that runs at 3GHz,
>>> and that 3GHz is equivalent to your P4 running at
>>> 4.5 to about 5GHz. Or a quad core would also be a
>>> candidate, as programs like FSX SP1 can use quad cores
>>> to some extent (asymmetric loading).

>>
>> *But not on your motherboard - see the CPU compatability list*

>
> And that is why the sentence says "a new motherboard".


I was just pointing out that his *existing* motherboard won't take a core2.

>>
>>> This is what the datasheet for the 915P says -
>>>
>>> "By using 256-Mb technology, the smallest memory capacity possible
>>> is 128 MB, assuming single channel mode.
>>>
>>> (16M rows * 16b/(row*device) * 4 devices/DIMM-side *
>>> 1 DIMM-side/channel * 1 channel *1B/8b = 128 MB).
>>>
>>> By using 1-Gb technology in dual-channel interleaved mode, the
>>> largest memory capacity possible is 8 GB.
>>>
>>> (128M rows * 8b/(row*device) * 8 devices/DIMM-side *
>>> 4 DIMM-sides/channel * 2 channels * 1B/8b * 1G/1024M = 8 GB).
>>>
>>> This exceeds a 32-bit address limit of 4 GB. In a 32-bit system,
>>> only the first 4 GB of memory will be accessible."

>>
>> *Also, not on your motherboard - see the motherboard link in the original
>> post*

>
> That information is from the Intel 915P datasheet. If a motherboard
> design has four DDR2 slots, you can install 8GB of memory. But the
> chipset could only access 4GB of it (I presume if I checked the
> pinout, it is a chipset with HA[31:3], and not capable of more than
> 32 bit addressing). With two slots available on this particular
> motherboard model, you could install 2x2GB, as Intel says that is
> the maximum density.
>
> In other words, the motherboard manual is wrong, if it does not
> match the information provided by Intel.


How do you know the motherboard manual is wrong? Just because the
motherboard is built around the 915 chipset, doesn't mean that all the
features are implemented! However, for the price, he might as well get 2x2GB
sticks and see what happens. Best case is that he gets 4GB (or around 3GB in
XP). Middle case is that the machine will only read the first 1GB of each
stick. Worst case is that it doesn't work at all.



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Old 10-09-2008, 09:56 PM
Banana
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"GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_this_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:003a8384$0$18922$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> "Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:CradnUfl65noFHHVnZ2dnUVZ8qrinZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
>> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>
>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>
>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
>> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>
>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>> *you* upgrade?

>
> Everything you need to know about your motherboard is on the page you
> linked to.
>
>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
>> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
>> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]

>
> For £100, I don't think you can improve your performance hugely as you
> would need to buy expensive parts to replace the fast stuff that you
> already have. You could hunt around ebay for a 3.6 or 3.8 P4. There are
> some 3.6s for about £60 and some 3.8s for about £80, but your motherboard
> won't take the core2Duo parts and you won't get a (decent) new processor
> and board for £100. A 3.6 or 3.8 P4 will up your performance by 20%-30%.
> You could even consider a more powerful cooling system and look at
> overclocking. Not sure how well your motherboard would overclock though -
> research that on google.
>
> You can't afford a faster GFX card. Simple as that!
>
> If it were me, I would definitely get more RAM as Priority 1. 1GB will be
> holding back load times etc on some games and potentially slowing multiple
> application work. Your Motherboard will take DDR2 at either 400 or 533, so
> you could fill it with a pair of 1GB DDR2-533 DIMMS. I have no problems
> personally in buying stuff from ebay shops and for this RAM I would
> recommend you do just that (or whereever is cheapest). I don't personally
> think you will see any performance improvement by quibling over CAS
> timings on the RAM at this level. You could put your existing DDR memory
> on ebay. Sell it as a 'matched pair' (asuming it is!) and you will get
> more interest, although DDR is old now, so don't expect more than a
> tenner! If you upgrade your processor, you could also sell that, probably
> for a similar price. With the extra money, why not consider a newer,
> faster hard disk. You could pick up a fast 500Gig Samsung or WD for
> £40-50.


Hi GT,

Thanks for the reply. All read and digested :-)

As you mention, I think memory should be a priority with the limited funds
available. I thought it would be but I thought I'd ask to see if anyone had
a better plan.

According to Windows Task Manager, PF usage jumps from around 200MB to well
over 1GB when playing some games and I'm sure this would be better sent to
more RAM than on my hard disk. I know it wouldn't improve performance of
games in terms of FPS but should better the load times and improve things
like Alt & Tabbing to the desktop...

You also mention upgrading the HD. Well that may well be a good idea because
I get a Linksys NSLU2UK network storage device tomorrow. If I upgrade my PC
HD, I could bung this old one into an enclosure and use it with 'the slug'.

Thanks again for your reply. All good stuff to consider.

Best wishes,

Paul.



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"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:gci7m4$uik$1@aioe.org...
> Banana wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
>> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>
>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>
>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
>> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>
>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>> *you* upgrade?
>>
>> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that
>> it, "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".
>>
>> I must admit that I'm not all that clued up on memory. Is there a limit
>> to the speed of memory that my mobo will support?
>>
>> Then again, maybe I would be better spending my money on a different
>> component, or even putting it towards a new mobo? What do you think?
>>
>> Any help or comments greatly welcomed.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> System Spec...
>>
>> System Model: MS-7058
>>
>> Mobo: 915P Combo
>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>>
>> Chipset: Intel® 915 Express Chipset Family
>>
>> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>>
>> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
>> http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/eng/m...D264646D8J.jsp
>>
>> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
>> http://www.evga.com/articles/310.asp
>> http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_7950.html
>>
>> Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
>> http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowA....aspx?sid=2602
>>
>> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]
>> http://support.wdc.com/product/downl...id=603&lang=en
>>
>> 2 x DVD ReWriter
>>
>> OS: XP Pro SP 3
>>
>> Power Supply: Blue Storm 500W
>> http://info.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=45512
>>
>>[*] Dual boot:
>> 2 x XP Pro;
>> 1 for general use and rubbish and clutter!
>> 2 very clean OS with only games and essentials installed.
>>

>
> After looking at this article, it doesn't look like DDR2-533 CAS3
> RAM is really going to help a whole lot. If the games you play
> need more than the 2x512MB you've got installed, then yes,
> any kind of RAM that gives 2x1GB is going to help. (Because
> the game will no longer be going to disk, to make up for
> the RAM it needs.) But speedwise, it might not help - I
> just wish they'd run the WinRAR benchmark here, because that
> one is sensitive to memory, and would at least show
> something of a difference.
>
> (Look for yellow-gold and orange bars in the charts here...)
> http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2293&p=29
>
> I've changed from 2x512MB to 2x1GB on my computer, when one of
> my 512MB sticks died. The change I saw, is when I alt-tab out
> of a game, I can load more other programs, without paging to
> disk. But for the game itself, it didn't affect game play. Just
> as slow as before.
>
> I overclocked my P4 machine a bit, and that gave
> slightly less hesitation or stutter in the game,
> but doing so doesn't "open hew horizons" for the
> computer. It doesn't mean I'm ready for the
> whizzy new games coming out at Christmas. Only
> "a really big pile of notes" can fix that - that
> is the nature of PC gaming.
>
> In terms of a strategy
>
> 1) Try overclocking your CPU - using the RAM dividers
> available on the motherboard, you can turn down the
> RAM setting, and turn up the CPU. You can do that
> for free.
>
> 2) The next incremental step, would be a new motherboard,
> new (cheap) DDR2 RAM, and a Core2 processor. The
> E8400, for example, is a dual core that runs at 3GHz,
> and that 3GHz is equivalent to your P4 running at
> 4.5 to about 5GHz. Or a quad core would also be a
> candidate, as programs like FSX SP1 can use quad cores
> to some extent (asymmetric loading).
>
> 3) With the higher performance processor present, you
> can continue to play with the 7950GX2. But when something
> GPU limited is installed on the machine, it'll be time to
> change the video card.
>
> If you still want to try your RAM idea, it doesn't have to be
> expensive. This stuff is DDR2-800 CAS4 at 1.8V, 2x1GB for $33.
> When run at DDR2-533 on your motherboard, it should do CAS3,
> which would be about as good as it gets with stock settings.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820141299
>
> This is what the datasheet for the 915P says -
>
> "By using 256-Mb technology, the smallest memory capacity possible
> is 128 MB, assuming single channel mode.
>
> (16M rows * 16b/(row*device) * 4 devices/DIMM-side *
> 1 DIMM-side/channel * 1 channel *1B/8b = 128 MB).
>
> By using 1-Gb technology in dual-channel interleaved mode, the
> largest memory capacity possible is 8 GB.
>
> (128M rows * 8b/(row*device) * 8 devices/DIMM-side *
> 4 DIMM-sides/channel * 2 channels * 1B/8b * 1G/1024M = 8 GB).
>
> This exceeds a 32-bit address limit of 4 GB. In a 32-bit system,
> only the first 4 GB of memory will be accessible."
>
> Since you have two DDR2 slots available, it sounds from that, that
> you could purchase 2x2GB. You won't get to use all of it though,
> and with your video card, maybe a bit less than 3GB would be
> shown as free in Windows. Whereas, the 2x1GB purchase, all the
> RAM should show as available (not address space limited).
>
> Paul


Hi Paul,

Many thanks for your reply.

I think at the moment, just some additional memory would be prudent and
2x2GB DDR2 sticks (as you mentioned) sounds nice! I'm sure this is what I
will eventually do but as a future upgrade, I think it really has to be
another mobo (your option 2).

Although my GFX card is a couple of years old now, it's still quite capable
and has a hefty 1GB DDR3 mem which in some ways makes up for the shortfall
in system memory (when playing games).

Again, thanks for the reply - an interesting read.

Best wishes,

Paul.



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GT wrote:

>
> How do you know the motherboard manual is wrong? Just because the
> motherboard is built around the 915 chipset, doesn't mean that all the
> features are implemented! However, for the price, he might as well get 2x2GB
> sticks and see what happens. Best case is that he gets 4GB (or around 3GB in
> XP). Middle case is that the machine will only read the first 1GB of each
> stick. Worst case is that it doesn't work at all.
>
>


The datasheet is here, if you want to look through it. Page 227
has some comments.

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets...hts/301467.htm

In terms of what kinds of motherboards were built with 915P,
I can find DDR boards, DDR2 boards, and mixed DDR/DDR2 boards
like the OPs. There is even an Asrock board with six slots,
of which four are one memory type, and two of the other.

On the vip.asus.com site, I can find one example of someone
taking a 4 uniform slot board, and placing 4x1GB in it. One person
had this work, and someone else, on a different model from
the same family of boards, got no POST. What a working 4GB
configuration tells me, is that the resource planning part
of the BIOS is working properly. And the Intel datasheet says
more than 4GB won't do anything for the user, because the
FSB only has HA[31:3] or 32 bit addressing. Some other chipsets
of the same era, have HA[35:3] and would support PAE and something
larger than 4GB.

The resource planning can fail on any board, and is not particularly
a chip issue as such. There have been boards in the past, where
funny things happen when the BIOS has enough RAM, that it has to
plan the I/O space first, and give whatever remains to the RAM.
(An example would be a BIOS error "USB overcurrent", which is
related to a resource planning problem of some sort, when 4GB is present.)

So the fact that at least one person had a working 4x1GB configuration,
plus the entries in the datasheet that say a 2GB module with (16) 128Mx8
chips on it will work, suggests that 2x2GB DDR2 would be a working
configuration.

How much official support is there ?

1) Intel says yes, at the hardware level.
2) No 915P motherboard I've looked at yet, has a 2GB entry in its QVL.
But the QVLs never get updated after board release, and even at
release, the modules tested are a year out of date. So the motherboard
makers won't help us here.
3) I checked three module makers, to see what their search engines show.
What they use, to populate their DRAM tables on the web site, is the
motherboard manual (whether it is right or wrong). They seldom
go out on a limb, and spec things not mentioned. A notable exception,
is them selling 256MB PC133 for BX440 chipsets, which was not
mentioned as a possibility at launch. So they used some initiative
there.
4) That leaves adventurous users to do the testing. So far, I haven't
been able to find someone trying 2x2GB in a 915P. If the OP wants
to try it, he'd be well advised to find at least one example of
someone doing that.

The difference between 2x2GB and 4x1GB, is just selecting different
entries from the table of options in the datasheet. As long as at
least one person was able to use a 4GB config, that means there
is some possibility it will work. Bad BIOS design could still
torpedo the idea, but that is par for the territory in any case.
There have been much less challenging DRAM population tests that
have failed in the past, for no particularly good reason, so there
is always a (small) risk of incompatibility, no matter what you
buy.

Module makers are free to change chip manufacturer on their modules,
and can change on a moments notice. And even keep the same module
part number. (Which makes a QVL kinda useless at predicting
compatibility.) For example, in researching my own memory purchase
that I was doing yesterday, I was reading that Crucial uses Micron
chips, but has also been using Elpida. And Crucial (and a number
of other makers), have had their share of module failures. I wasted
at least two hours yesterday, before settling on a product
to buy, because of the failures being reported for the things
I was interested in. Whether product fallout is a result of
thin margins in the business, is hard to say. I guess a product
can be too cheap to be practical (like when you buy a sleeve
bearing fan for your computer, and it fails the first day of
usage).

Paul

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"Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "GT" <ContactGT_rem_ove_this_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:003a8384$0$18922$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>> "Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:CradnUfl65noFHHVnZ2dnUVZ8qrinZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit
>>> out of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>>
>>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>>
>>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I
>>> don't have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>>
>>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>>> *you* upgrade?

>>
>> Everything you need to know about your motherboard is on the page you
>> linked to.
>>
>>> http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?f...o=&prod_no=154
>>> Processor: Intel Pentium 4 CPU 560 3.60GHz with HT
>>> 1GB RAM (2 x 500MB DDR1 400MHz)
>>> Video Card: (EVGA) GeForce 7950 GX2 'Superclocked'
>>> Western Digital SE Caviar 200GB SATA[*]

>>
>> For £100, I don't think you can improve your performance hugely as you
>> would need to buy expensive parts to replace the fast stuff that you
>> already have. You could hunt around ebay for a 3.6 or 3.8 P4. There are
>> some 3.6s for about £60 and some 3.8s for about £80, but your motherboard
>> won't take the core2Duo parts and you won't get a (decent) new processor
>> and board for £100. A 3.6 or 3.8 P4 will up your performance by 20%-30%.
>> You could even consider a more powerful cooling system and look at
>> overclocking. Not sure how well your motherboard would overclock though -
>> research that on google.
>>
>> You can't afford a faster GFX card. Simple as that!
>>
>> If it were me, I would definitely get more RAM as Priority 1. 1GB will be
>> holding back load times etc on some games and potentially slowing
>> multiple application work. Your Motherboard will take DDR2 at either 400
>> or 533, so you could fill it with a pair of 1GB DDR2-533 DIMMS. I have no
>> problems personally in buying stuff from ebay shops and for this RAM I
>> would recommend you do just that (or whereever is cheapest). I don't
>> personally think you will see any performance improvement by quibling
>> over CAS timings on the RAM at this level. You could put your existing
>> DDR memory on ebay. Sell it as a 'matched pair' (asuming it is!) and you
>> will get more interest, although DDR is old now, so don't expect more
>> than a tenner! If you upgrade your processor, you could also sell that,
>> probably for a similar price. With the extra money, why not consider a
>> newer, faster hard disk. You could pick up a fast 500Gig Samsung or WD
>> for £40-50.

>
> Hi GT,
>
> Thanks for the reply. All read and digested :-)
>
> As you mention, I think memory should be a priority with the limited funds
> available. I thought it would be but I thought I'd ask to see if anyone
> had a better plan.
>
> According to Windows Task Manager, PF usage jumps from around 200MB to
> well over 1GB when playing some games and I'm sure this would be better
> sent to more RAM than on my hard disk. I know it wouldn't improve
> performance of games in terms of FPS but should better the load times and
> improve things like Alt & Tabbing to the desktop...
>
> You also mention upgrading the HD. Well that may well be a good idea
> because I get a Linksys NSLU2UK network storage device tomorrow. If I
> upgrade my PC HD, I could bung this old one into an enclosure and use it
> with 'the slug'.
>
> Thanks again for your reply. All good stuff to consider.


One more thing - if your page file size is jumping around, then it is worth
fixing it with a larger minimum size. I would recommend this... Turn off
your swapfile complete + restart XP. Defragment your hard drive, then
manually set a page file with a decent minimum size - maybe 2GB and a
maximum size of something larger, perhaps 3GB. This will prevent the
swapfile from becoming fragmented and slowing things down.

Watch out for hard disk types - I can't remember if your board has any SATA
ports. You can still buy EIDE drives, but if you are thinking forward to the
future, you would be better with a SATA drive and perhaps a temporary PCI
SATA controller until you upgrade to a new machine, into which you can put
the new SATA drive.



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<snip>
>> According to Windows Task Manager, PF usage jumps from around 200MB to
>> well over 1GB when playing some games and I'm sure this would be better
>> sent to more RAM than on my hard disk. I know it wouldn't improve
>> performance of games in terms of FPS but should better the load times and
>> improve things like Alt & Tabbing to the desktop...
>>
>> You also mention upgrading the HD. Well that may well be a good idea
>> because I get a Linksys NSLU2UK network storage device tomorrow. If I
>> upgrade my PC HD, I could bung this old one into an enclosure and use it
>> with 'the slug'.

<snip>
> One more thing - if your page file size is jumping around, then it is
> worth fixing it with a larger minimum size. I would recommend this... Turn
> off your swapfile complete + restart XP. Defragment your hard drive, then
> manually set a page file with a decent minimum size - maybe 2GB and a
> maximum size of something larger, perhaps 3GB. This will prevent the
> swapfile from becoming fragmented and slowing things down.


Having installed myself a dual boot, what I tend to do is defrag the second
OS (Gaming partition) after having booted to OS 1 (if you see what I
mean!?). That way, no files are in use on the second partition.

I use O&O Defrag using the Complete/Name method. Aparently that is the best
for Workstations as Windows tends to access folders and load files in
alphabetical order (or so I have read!)

My Max 'n' Min Pagefile are the same.

I agree with what you say, "Turn off your swapfile complete + restart XP.
Defragment your hard drive, then manually set a page file with a decent
minimum size" as that way, if the pagefile was fragmented, deleting it and
defragging the HD would fill any big chunks previously used by the PF and
then resetting the PF to say 3GB would create an unfragmented chunk. Or at
least that's what I assume you mean (Mystic Meg mode enabled).

> Watch out for hard disk types - I can't remember if your board has any
> SATA ports.


Yes, the drive I currently have is an SATA type.

> You can still buy EIDE drives, but if you are thinking forward to the
> future, you would be better with a SATA drive and perhaps a temporary PCI
> SATA controller until you upgrade to a new machine, into which you can put
> the new SATA drive.





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"Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>
> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>
> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>
> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would *you*
> upgrade?
>
> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that it,
> "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".


[snip]

So, what did you do then?



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Old 10-21-2008, 07:40 PM
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> "Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit out
>> of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>
>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>
>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I don't
>> have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>
>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>> *you* upgrade?
>>
>> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that
>> it, "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".

>
> [snip]
>
> So, what did you do then?


Dare I say that I spent my sheckles on an external hard drive:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HD-112-SE
and a network storage link:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-NSLU.../dp/B0002ZDQLI

Not strictly a system update at all!

I did need the extra hard drive space for backups and with it hooked up to
the NSLU2 and router, I can access my files within the LAN and securely
access my files over the internet even if my PC is turned off :-)

I've already flashed a modified firmware to the NSLU2 and am now
experimenting with running Apache server on it, so I can host my own
website, using my paid-for host name and freebie dyndns account to point to
my ip.

So, all in all, a bit of a change of heart but money well spent for what I
will be using it for!

Best wishes,

Paul.



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>> "Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:CradnUfl65noFHHVnZ2dnUVZ8qrinZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a system that is about 3 or 4 years old now and is quite a bit
>>> out of date (in computer years). The specs are at the foot of my post.
>>>
>>> It was originally purchased as a 'gaming machine' and I still play some
>>> fairly gfx-intensive titles on it, like Crysis, FSX and so on.
>>>
>>> I'd love to spend a big bunch of notes on a new system but, alas, I
>>> don't have much; only about £100 ($174)!
>>>
>>> With that in mind, looking at my spec, what part of the system would
>>> *you* upgrade?
>>>
>>> I was thinking about maybe 2GB DDR2 memory. My mobo manual states that
>>> it, "...supports the memory size up to 2GB".

>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> So, what did you do then?

>
> Dare I say that I spent my sheckles on an external hard drive:
> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HD-112-SE
> and a network storage link:
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-NSLU.../dp/B0002ZDQLI
>
> Not strictly a system update at all!
>
> I did need the extra hard drive space for backups and with it hooked up to
> the NSLU2 and router, I can access my files within the LAN and securely
> access my files over the internet even if my PC is turned off :-)
>
> I've already flashed a modified firmware to the NSLU2 and am now
> experimenting with running Apache server on it, so I can host my own
> website, using my paid-for host name and freebie dyndns account to point
> to my ip.
>
> So, all in all, a bit of a change of heart but money well spent for what I
> will be using it for!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Paul.


Go on.... stick 4GB in there!!



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> Go on.... stick 4GB in there!!


Yes it does need it doesn't it. Maybe next pay day :-)

Paul.



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"Banana" <banana6443@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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.... shoved 2x4GB sticks in it the other day :)

Windows XP 'taskmgr.exe' reports 3145004 kilobytes (3GB) total physical
memory, as does dxdiag.exe

'msinfo32.exe' reports 4.096 GB Total Physical Memory.

4GB or 3GB, it's better than 1GB but pagefile usage still seems pretty high
sometimes - say nearly1 GB, when available physical memory is over 1GB.
Wouldn't that 1GB of available physical mem be better off used instead of
pagefile.

Anyway, my system is much faster switching between aplications and loading
of games seems quicker :)

Paul.



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