My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
CPU temperature.
RightMark does run, and does correctly identity my CPU as "Presler".
But on the "CPU Temperature" row, it gives me a "N/A" result. No luck.
Core Temp, on the other hand, both the 0.96.1.0 and the 0.94.0.0
versions (I had to go to the net archive to retrieve the old version)
simply refuses to run.
0.96.1.0 gives me the following error:
This is not an Intel "Core" Architecture based processor.
This program will not continue.
0.04.0.0 gives me the following error:
This is not an Intel Core processor. This program will not
continue.
In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
>
>And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
>temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
pg wrote:
> Hello.
>
> My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
> core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
> CPU temperature.
>
> I have searched the net looking for such a utility, and on various
> software sites I have visited, all have highly recommended the
> following utilites:
> RightMark CPU Clock Utility ( http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml
> ) and
> Core Temp ( http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ )
>
> I have downloaded both and tried them out.
>
> Here are the results.
>
> RightMark does run, and does correctly identity my CPU as "Presler".
> But on the "CPU Temperature" row, it gives me a "N/A" result. No luck.
>
> Core Temp, on the other hand, both the 0.96.1.0 and the 0.94.0.0
> versions (I had to go to the net archive to retrieve the old version)
> simply refuses to run.
>
> 0.96.1.0 gives me the following error:
> This is not an Intel "Core" Architecture based processor.
> This program will not continue.
>
> 0.04.0.0 gives me the following error:
> This is not an Intel Core processor. This program will not
> continue.
>
> In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
>
> And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
> temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>
> Please help !
>
> Many thanks in advance !
guarantee, the Pentium class processors are KNOWN to overheat- if you
suspect its a problem, then it is!
upgrade your cpu fan, and look at cooling systems.
avoid overclocking,....and consider swapping your chip...i recommend a
motherboard that supports AMD.
On Feb 18, 11:49 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
> My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
> core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
> CPU temperature.
On Feb 18, 10:52 am, Pennyw...@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
> pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
> >In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
>
> >And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
> >temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>
> Might try Everest, one of it's many reports is your CPU temphttp://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html
> --
>
> Lineage ][http://flashgame.plaync.jp/dwarfcomplete.jsp
On Feb 18, 11:31 am, JohnMatt...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:49 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
>
> > My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
> > core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
> > CPU temperature.
>
> Could be overheating.
> Take a cover off & clean out the dust, put an external fan on & see if
> it behaves with the extra cooling. Make sure all the fans ( including
> the power supply ) are spinning fast, with the power off, give them a
> spin with a matchstick to make sure they not stuck.
> Information about cleaning computer componentshttp://www.computerhope.com/cleaning.htmhttp://www.wiscocomputing.com/articles/maintenance.htmhttp://www.librarysupportstaff.com/4compcare.htmlhttp://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial118.html
> Getting The Grunge Out Of Your PC, Fred Langa cleans the dirtiest PC
> he can find, and along the way shows you how you can easily tackle
> yours.http://www.informationweek.com/story...articleID=6040...
> Quiet noisy computer fans with a drop of oilhttp://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6255-5034842.html?tag=tt
>
> ===================================
>
> Maximum CPU temperatureshttp://www.tongfamily.com/guide_to_pcs/001386.htmlhttp://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/http://www.heatsink-guide.com/2hotornot.htm
> AMDhttp://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpuprices/head_amd.htm
> Intelhttp://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007999.htm
>
> =================================
>
> Motherboard/CPU temperaturehttp://www.coolmon.org/http://mbm.livewiredev.com/http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
pg wrote:
> On Feb 18, 10:52 am, Pennyw...@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>> pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
>>> In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
>>> And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
>>> temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>> Might try Everest, one of it's many reports is your CPU temphttp://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html
>> --
>>
>> Lineage ][http://flashgame.plaync.jp/dwarfcomplete.jsp
>
>
> Thanks ! I'll try that out !
>
> Thanks again !!
There are two kinds of interfaces on processors, for measuring
temperature.
The old way, uses an analog measurement method. There is a diode
on the processor silicon die. A hardware interface in the SuperI/O
chip on the motherboard, measures the voltage developed across
the diode, and that reading is converted to a temperature. A
program you can use, to read out that kind of info, is Speedfan.
It has the ability to work with a number of different chips. The
download is the link here.
On the newer Intel processors, there is an additional
method. There is a digital interface on the processor.
It provides a numeric readout of the temperature. The
interface is some kind of serial bus (PECI). The readout
is actually a "delta" temperature, and is measured with
respect to the defined overheat point for the processor.
To accurately read out a temperature from that
digital interface, requires a proper value for the
max temperature (the overheat point), as the PECI value
must be subtracted from the allowed max temperature value.
Coretemp is a program that can do that, and there is an Intel
program (TAT?) available to system integrators (which is
floating around and can also be found for download).
Since the Pentium D doesn't have PECI, as far as I know,
then your best choice would be to try Speedfan. Some
motherboard manufacturers provide their own utilities,
that also read out temperature.
In addition, the motherboard readout can also
be viewed in the BIOS. So, at least, you can use
the values there, as a sanity check of your Windows
based programs. If the BIOS doesn't have a goofy value,
like 255C for the sensor, then you know it can work right.
Then, it is just a matter of finding a Windows program
that has been tested with the motherboard. (The processor
power level, while sitting in Windows, is not the same
as the power level sitting in the BIOS. So the temperature
shown in the BIOS will not match the value seen in
Windows. So the BIOS check, is purely for "sanity" -
don't expect an exact match :-) )
Temperatures are notoriously difficult to measure
correctly in a computer. A consistency check, is to
touch the CPU heatsink with a finger, to see if the
value being read out in software, bears any resemblance
to reality. If the heatsink is properly fastened,
and seems to be pretty cool to the touch, then if the
CPU temp read a really high value, you might have some
doubt that the value was correct. (Note - Using your
finger is not really a good method, but my point here,
is to use common sense when using one of those
Windows programs. If the numbers don't seem to be
consistent with what you can observe yourself, then
chances are the program is wrong.)
dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
On Feb 18, 3:31 am, JohnMatt...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:49 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
>
> > My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
> > core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
> > CPU temperature.
>
> Could be overheating.
> Take a cover off & clean out the dust, put an external fan on & see if
> it behaves with the extra cooling. Make sure all the fans ( including
> the power supply ) are spinning fast, with the power off, give them a
> spin with a matchstick to make sure they not stuck.
> Information about cleaning computer componentshttp://www.computerhope.com/cleaning.htmhttp://www.wiscocomputing.com/articles/maintenance.htmhttp://www.librarysupportstaff.com/4compcare.htmlhttp://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial118.html
> Getting The Grunge Out Of Your PC, Fred Langa cleans the dirtiest PC
> he can find, and along the way shows you how you can easily tackle
> yours.http://www.informationweek.com/story...articleID=6040...
> Quiet noisy computer fans with a drop of oilhttp://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6255-5034842.html?tag=tt
>
> ===================================
>
> Maximum CPU temperatureshttp://www.tongfamily.com/guide_to_pcs/001386.htmlhttp://www20.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/http://www.heatsink-guide.com/2hotornot.htm
> AMDhttp://www.cpuscorecard.com/cpuprices/head_amd.htm
> Intelhttp://support.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/CS-007999.htm
>
> =================================
>
> Motherboard/CPU temperaturehttp://www.coolmon.org/http://mbm.livewiredev.com/http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
> pg wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
>> core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
>> CPU temperature.
>> And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
>> temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>>
MSI provide such a utility on the driver cd - can't remember what it's
called.
Also, MSI provide an online bios/driver update utility which is excellent -
also found on the driver cd but can also be downloaded from MSI.
Speedfan is great if it works for you but can be a pain getting to know what
each sensor refers to.
Lew wrote:
> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
> ...i recommend a
>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>
>
> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
>
>
intel always beats amd from pure clock speed, but amd are far more stable.
many mac die hards are left wondering why apple chose intel, despite
rumours that intel has more resources to deliver processors on time, and
a larger r&d budget- also something to do with lower voltages...but amd
is still the acknowledged superior (though costlier) processor.
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:12:42 GMT, catchme
<someone@somewhere.net> wrote:
>Lew wrote:
>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>> ...i recommend a
>>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>>
>>
>> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
>>
Depends on the scenario, AMD is still competitive in the
$100 and lower price tiers unless you're looking to
overclock. Combine that with the lower average price of an
AM2 motherboard and AMD is the more attractive platform
processor for a low-end system.
>>
>intel always beats amd from pure clock speed, but amd are far more stable.
? Apples and oranges and both have quite stable solutions.
>many mac die hards are left wondering why apple chose intel, despite
>rumours that intel has more resources to deliver processors on time, and
>a larger r&d budget- also something to do with lower voltages...but amd
>is still the acknowledged superior (though costlier) processor.
Currently Intel has a lead in the upper end, before that AMD
did, then Intel. Lather, rinse, repeat.
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:54:50 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:
>There are two kinds of interfaces on processors, for measuring
>temperature.
>
>The old way, uses an analog measurement method. There is a diode
>on the processor silicon die. A hardware interface in the SuperI/O
>chip on the motherboard, measures the voltage developed across
>the diode, and that reading is converted to a temperature. A
>program you can use, to read out that kind of info, is Speedfan.
>It has the ability to work with a number of different chips. The
>download is the link here.
>
>http://www.almico.com/speedfan433.exe
Does anybody know of any temp program that's better than Speedfan and
displays continuous readings in the system tray the way Speedfan does?
I've used Speedfan for several years now and like its versatility and
convenience, but am starting to doubt it with recent charges of
inaccuracy.
Larc
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"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:evfuj.52358$Ly.50040@pd7urf1no...
> Lew wrote:
>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>> ...i recommend a
>>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>>
>>
>> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
> intel always beats amd from pure clock speed,
>but amd are far more stable.
For overclocking maybe, but not as a stock processor right out of the box.
> many mac die hards are left wondering why apple chose intel, despite
> rumours that intel has more resources to deliver processors on time, and a
> larger r&d budget- also something to do with lower voltages...but amd is
> still the acknowledged superior (though costlier) processor.
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:01:51 -1000, "Owner"
<Owner@noemail.com> wrote:
>
>"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:evfuj.52358$Ly.50040@pd7urf1no...
>> Lew wrote:
>>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>>> ...i recommend a
>>>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
>> intel always beats amd from pure clock speed,
>
>
>>but amd are far more stable.
>
>For overclocking maybe, but not as a stock processor right out of the box.
>
If both are only conservatively overclocked - given enough
but not too much voltage, kept cool enough, and tested for
stability, then they're both stable overclocked. However,
it should be noted that the typical Intel chip has more
overclocking headroom than AMD's alternative does at this
point in time. For example in the lower end E2xxx or E4xxx
series you can come near or even exceed 200% of the stock
clockspeed without exceptional efforts, just having a decent
aftermarket heatsink.
"pg" <penang@catholic.org> wrote in message
news:83fbd430-c765-4ca2-b707-b0b5ed0e62a1@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Hello.
>
> My PC has a MSI motherboard, with Presler (PentiumD) CPU. The PentiumD
> core is superheated, and I need to find a utility that can monitor the
> CPU temperature.
>
> I have searched the net looking for such a utility, and on various
> software sites I have visited, all have highly recommended the
> following utilites:
> RightMark CPU Clock Utility (
> http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml
> ) and
> Core Temp ( http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ )
>
> I have downloaded both and tried them out.
>
> Here are the results.
>
> RightMark does run, and does correctly identity my CPU as "Presler".
> But on the "CPU Temperature" row, it gives me a "N/A" result. No luck.
>
> Core Temp, on the other hand, both the 0.96.1.0 and the 0.94.0.0
> versions (I had to go to the net archive to retrieve the old version)
> simply refuses to run.
>
> 0.96.1.0 gives me the following error:
> This is not an Intel "Core" Architecture based processor.
> This program will not continue.
>
> 0.04.0.0 gives me the following error:
> This is not an Intel Core processor. This program will not
> continue.
>
> In other words, Core Temp totally bombed.
>
> And I am _still_ looking for a utility that can report the CPU
> temperature reading to me. Is there such a utility available?
>
> Please help !
>
> Many thanks in advance !
"pg" <penang@catholic.org> wrote in message
news:e3326432-34cd-4401-b140-b6e8d1176b75@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Many thanks for the links !!
> Thanks again !
Are you certain your Mobo supports temp sensing? Have you looked for
sensors?
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>
> guarantee, the Pentium class processors are KNOWN to overheat-
No they aren't. You are just talking about the later Pentium 4 types.
Earlier Athlons used to run very hot, and they did not even shut down
automatically and fried themselves!
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:517jr3hhdpqaivlp9es5dl8189augktuku@4ax.com...
>
> Currently Intel has a lead in the upper end, before that AMD
> did, then Intel. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Remind me when AMD had a clear lead, apart from when the Athlon64 was faster
and more efficient than the P4? Not saying that you are wrong, but I do not
know of any other times. Maybe you are talking from price/performance
perspective on K6 vs PIII? Surely the Coppermine and Tualatin PIIIs were
better CPUs though..
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:20:01 -0000, "Synapse Syndrome"
<synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:
>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:517jr3hhdpqaivlp9es5dl8189augktuku@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> Currently Intel has a lead in the upper end, before that AMD
>> did, then Intel. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
>Remind me when AMD had a clear lead, apart from when the Athlon64 was faster
>and more efficient than the P4? Not saying that you are wrong, but I do not
>know of any other times. Maybe you are talking from price/performance
>perspective on K6 vs PIII? Surely the Coppermine and Tualatin PIIIs were
>better CPUs though..
>
>ss.
>
K6-III was faster excluding floating point, as was early
Athlon when considering price (always relevant since barely
anybody buys the high end. I also preferred Coppermine and
Tualatin Celeron & P3 but not for the obvious reasons,
rather than they had more overclocking margin and on
average, superior chipsets for their motherboards. Seems
most of the industry outside of server integrators ignored
Tualatins though, they were all caught up in the
underwhelming P4 when it first came out.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:15:14 -0000, "Synapse Syndrome"
<synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:
>"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>>
>> guarantee, the Pentium class processors are KNOWN to overheat-
>
>No they aren't. You are just talking about the later Pentium 4 types.
>Earlier Athlons used to run very hot, and they did not even shut down
>automatically and fried themselves!
Athlons did not fry themselves without some overt system
builder mistake like not putting a heatsink on, choosing
some $3 'sink for a 50W chip so the fan failed, etc.
Granted it would've been nice if they had a thermal trip
feature at that point, but it really wasn't that big of a
deal, who really wants to have to depend on a system
shutting off instead of never doing so by building it right
in the first place?
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:00:48 -0500
kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
> Athlons did not fry themselves without some overt system
> builder mistake like not putting a heatsink on, choosing
> some $3 'sink for a 50W chip so the fan failed, etc.
> Granted it would've been nice if they had a thermal trip
> feature at that point, but it really wasn't that big of a
> deal, who really wants to have to depend on a system
> shutting off instead of never doing so by building it right
> in the first place?
Even if fans did fail, short of the heatsink faling right off, did they
really fry or just crash? I think they tended to accidentally save
themselves by drawing less power while crashed.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:18:11 +0000, Tony Houghton
<h@realh.co.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:00:48 -0500
>kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> Athlons did not fry themselves without some overt system
>> builder mistake like not putting a heatsink on, choosing
>> some $3 'sink for a 50W chip so the fan failed, etc.
>> Granted it would've been nice if they had a thermal trip
>> feature at that point, but it really wasn't that big of a
>> deal, who really wants to have to depend on a system
>> shutting off instead of never doing so by building it right
>> in the first place?
>
>Even if fans did fail, short of the heatsink faling right off, did they
>really fry or just crash? I think they tended to accidentally save
>themselves by drawing less power while crashed.
Yes they'd crash if overly hot but perpetually overheating
due to failed fan damages the chip still. What happens if a
system crashes? It gets turned off or reset and tried again
to the extent it will eventually be cool enough to run then
overheat and crash and the cycle continues.
On Feb 20, 12:19 am, "Canon Guy" <B...@digital.net> wrote:
> "pg" <pen...@catholic.org> wrote in message
>
> news:e3326432-34cd-4401-b140-b6e8d1176b75@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Many thanks for the links !!
> > Thanks again !
>
> Are you certain your Mobo supports temp sensing? Have you looked for
> sensors?
The BIOS does have a section that shows the CPU temp, so my guess is
the motherboard does support temp sensing.
Owner wrote:
> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> news:evfuj.52358$Ly.50040@pd7urf1no...
>> Lew wrote:
>>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>>> ...i recommend a
>>>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>>>
>>> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
>> intel always beats amd from pure clock speed,
>
>
>> but amd are far more stable.
>
> For overclocking maybe, but not as a stock processor right out of the box.
>
>
>> many mac die hards are left wondering why apple chose intel, despite
>> rumours that intel has more resources to deliver processors on time, and a
>> larger r&d budget- also something to do with lower voltages...but amd is
>> still the acknowledged superior (though costlier) processor.
>
>
I have one case that came with a heat sensing wire that you attach
directly to the heat sink and it displays a number on the front of the
case but a technician where I bought it says it is not that accurate.
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:36:16 -0500, ProfGene
<mfevs@winco.net> wrote:
>Owner wrote:
>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:evfuj.52358$Ly.50040@pd7urf1no...
>>> Lew wrote:
>>>> "catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:gV6uj.58853$FA.5994@pd7urf2no...
>>>> ...i recommend a
>>>>> motherboard that supports AMD.
>>>>
>>>> LOL .. Right now Intel blows AMD out of the water.
>>> intel always beats amd from pure clock speed,
>>
>>
>>> but amd are far more stable.
>>
>> For overclocking maybe, but not as a stock processor right out of the box.
>>
>>
>>> many mac die hards are left wondering why apple chose intel, despite
>>> rumours that intel has more resources to deliver processors on time, and a
>>> larger r&d budget- also something to do with lower voltages...but amd is
>>> still the acknowledged superior (though costlier) processor.
>>
>>
>I have one case that came with a heat sensing wire that you attach
>directly to the heat sink and it displays a number on the front of the
>case but a technician where I bought it says it is not that accurate.
If it is attached to the heatsink with a lot of thermal
epoxy (or in a hole drilled into the heatsink then filled
with grease), it could be reasonably accurate to take the
temp of the heatsink itself at that point - but it is not
going to be taking the temp of the processor and the value
it reports will not be close to the temp of those core(s).
That doesn't make the case sensor useless, it just means
that you will see relative changes in heatsink temp instead
of in CPU temp, which is still an indicator of a change in
temp which could be useful to tell you things like when the
room ambient temp or dust accumulation on the heatsink or
fans, case intake, etc, have caused an overall rise in
heatsink temp which is bound to also cause a rise in CPU
temp.
However, since CPU temp can be read by software you might
consider using the case sensor to measure the temp of
something else that you can't read with software - which
will vary per system and the software supported and used. A
gamer might want to have a front panel readout for video
card (relative, as with CPU 'sink) temp, an overclocker a
readout for motherboard VRM/PWM temp, or someone in a hot
area a readout on PSU exhaust temp.
Utility to obtain CPU temperature 
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