Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
reasonably fast.
HP printers have a good reputation for giving high quality text. Color
printing should be good as well. If ink cost is not the critical factor and
the very best photo printing of that import then you may be very satisfied.
--
Jan Alter bearpuf@verizon.net
or jalter@phila.k12.pa.us
"B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can someone
> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably
> fast.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> BS
HP Deskjets for all around color printing
Some brand of color Laser - HP may not be the best here. Look at Okidata
B. Schneier wrote: Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably fast.
The Canon iP4500 inkjet printer does a remarkably good job printing
text with its 2nd black pigment cartridge that is committed to that
task alone. It's also pretty fast. Cost is about $120, but additional
ink cartridges are expensive, indeed, and need changing frequently.
But if I did a LOT of text printing with some color illustrations, I
think I'd agree with Measekite and look at the Okidata printers,
especially the 6100n that is now discounted by some sellers to about
$600 (from almost $900). It's built like a tank, won't require
replacing the toner anywhere near as often as an inkjet printer, and
will last years longer than the Canon inkjet that will last 2-4 years,
tops.
Good luck with your choice.
On Dec 15, 5:39 am, "B. Schneier" <m...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
> someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
> reasonably fast.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> BS
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:39:52 GMT, "B. Schneier"
<m.ps@verizon.net> wrote:
>Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
>color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
>someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
>reasonably fast.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>BS
Define reasonably fast. It's fairly inherant in ink jet
tech that if printing decent quality (not quick draft mode)
color brochures or internet "stuff", it'll be slow.
Unless you have a need to print very high quality color
photos, I suggest a median volume / quality / price, color
laser printer. When printing something like a brochure, use
semi-glossy coated paper (for lasers, it need not be an
absorbent coating on the paper like with inkjet paper, and
very high gloss inkjet paper cannot be used but you wouldn't
want to use it as that would be the opposite problem of
uncoated paper, being too glossy in light areas.
Laser picture output quality varies, read a few reviews of
models you might consider.
"B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can someone
> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably
> fast.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> BS
"Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort.
Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the right paper,
and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy text with
the wrong paper.
The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger head and
are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment black
depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being that
you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper isn't it.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:42:07 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
wrote:
>
>"B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
>> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
>> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can someone
>> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably
>> fast.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> BS
>
>"Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort.
>
>Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the right paper,
>and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy text with
>the wrong paper.
Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
high-volume use paper for inkjet?
One of the benefits of a laser is that just about anything
you shove into it (besides very glossy paper the toner just
won't adhere to before it's fused to the paper, or certain
types of plastics that have a melting point too low... more
of a problem with older lasers that ran at higher fuser
temps than today's color lasers that use toner with more
waxy-whatever lower melting point), prints out sharp as a
tack. Basically it means you can buy bulk copy machine
paper which is far less expensive than many other types.
>
>The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger head and
>are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment black
>depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
>quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being that
>you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper isn't it.
>
The other option is what many people do, use a B&W laser for
text documents and (color) inkjet for pictures.
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:6il8m3pjckva5u5css8n3lv8k1ob62s40v@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:42:07 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
>>> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is
>>> some
>>> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
>>> someone
>>> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
>>> reasonably
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> BS
>>
>>"Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort.
>>
>>Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the right
>>paper,
>>and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy
>>text with
>>the wrong paper.
>
> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>
> One of the benefits of a laser is that just about anything
> you shove into it (besides very glossy paper the toner just
> won't adhere to before it's fused to the paper, or certain
> types of plastics that have a melting point too low... more
> of a problem with older lasers that ran at higher fuser
> temps than today's color lasers that use toner with more
> waxy-whatever lower melting point), prints out sharp as a
> tack. Basically it means you can buy bulk copy machine
> paper which is far less expensive than many other types.
>
>
>
>>
>>The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger head
>>and
>>are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment
>>black
>>depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
>>quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being
>>that
>>you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper
>>isn't it.
>>
>
> The other option is what many people do, use a B&W laser for
> text documents and (color) inkjet for pictures.
I think Schneier wants what he says he wants, and it could
be productive to review what he says. I noticed this thread
went over pretty quick to laser printers, without recognizing
a key difference from inkjets, that laser printers, even the
most modern ones, use a fuser step in copy printing and this
fuser has to boost power requirements sharply. The inkjet
has no fuser thus runs without that peak power need of the
laser printer's fuser. Until he says something else, as far
as I'm concerned he's asking about inkjets *for this reason*
and so laser printers are probably off his track. Maybe
someone could reply to him, asking, well, *could you use* a
laser printer in your application? And if he responds 'Yes,'
then the thread could go into laser printers. But for now I
see no reason at all to be talking about other than inkjets.
Cheers -- Martha Adams [comp.periphs.printers 2007 Dec 15]
Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably fast. Thanks in advance, BS
"Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort. Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the right paper, and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy text with the wrong paper. The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger head and are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment black depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being that you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper isn't it.
I own both an HP and a Canon. The HP does a better job of business printing while the Canon prints better photos. Beaware that many posters to this group will claim they have Canon printer or an Epson printer and some will claim they have an HP printer. But they do not. They do not know what kind of printer they really have.
When you unpack a printer of a certain brand it comes with ink carts. Thats when you have that particular brand. Many here put who knows what crap in their printer so they no longer have the printer they purchased.
>
> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:6il8m3pjckva5u5css8n3lv8k1ob62s40v@4ax.com...
>
>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:42:07 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
>>>
>>>> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
>>>> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
>>>> someone
>>>> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is reasonably
>>>> fast.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> BS
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort.
>>>
>>> Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the right
>>> paper,
>>> and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy
>>> text with
>>> the wrong paper.
>>
>>
>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>>
>> One of the benefits of a laser is that just about anything
>> you shove into it (besides very glossy paper the toner just
>> won't adhere to before it's fused to the paper, or certain
>> types of plastics that have a melting point too low... more
>> of a problem with older lasers that ran at higher fuser
>> temps than today's color lasers that use toner with more
>> waxy-whatever lower melting point), prints out sharp as a
>> tack. Basically it means you can buy bulk copy machine
>> paper which is far less expensive than many other types.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger
>>> head and
>>> are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment
>>> black
>>> depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
>>> quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being
>>> that
>>> you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper
>>> isn't it.
>>>
>>
>> The other option is what many people do, use a B&W laser for
>> text documents and (color) inkjet for pictures.
>
>
> I think Schneier wants what he says he wants, and it could
> be productive to review what he says. I noticed this thread
> went over pretty quick to laser printers, without recognizing
> a key difference from inkjets, that laser printers, even the
> most modern ones, use a fuser step in copy printing and this
> fuser has to boost power requirements sharply. The inkjet
> has no fuser thus runs without that peak power need of the
> laser printer's fuser. Until he says something else, as far
> as I'm concerned he's asking about inkjets *for this reason*
> and so laser printers are probably off his track. Maybe
> someone could reply to him, asking, well, *could you use* a
> laser printer in your application? And if he responds 'Yes,'
> then the thread could go into laser printers. But for now I
> see no reason at all to be talking about other than inkjets.
>
> Cheers -- Martha Adams [comp.periphs.printers 2007 Dec 15]
>
>
I find Canon printers give near laser results when used in conjunction
with good quality paper. Not coated paper, just good quality paper.
On 16 Dec 2007 03:12:23 GMT, Shamus Blue <sblue@witsend.net> wrote in
<news:fk252n093j@news3.newsguy.com>:
> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> posted the following
> nonsense in news:Ln09j.4340$Vq.3768@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> Be aware that many posters to this group will claim
> they
>> have Canon printer or an Epson printer and some will
>> claim they have an HP printer. But they do not. They do
>> not know what kind of printer they really have.
>
> Pinch me; no one can possibly say anything this stupid!
Measekite just did.
But then, that is what he does - to the exclusion of all else.
Stupid does as stupid is.
--
Vrolijk Kerstfeest en een Gelukkig Nieuwjaar,
Nicolaas.
.... That which does not kill me, makes me stranger ... er, stronger.
Shamus Blue wrote:
> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> posted the following
> nonsense in news:Ln09j.4340$Vq.3768@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> Be aware that many posters to this group will claim
> they
>> have Canon printer or an Epson printer and some will
>> claim they have an HP printer. But they do not. They do
>> not know what kind of printer they really have.
>
>
> Pinch me; no one can possibly say anything this stupid!
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:6il8m3pjckva5u5css8n3lv8k1ob62s40v@4ax.com...
> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>
Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good choice for
everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their own brand. None of
the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types are worth wasting ink on.
I've also had good results on 28# copy paper for duplexing and general
printing.
DanG wrote:
> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>
>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>
> Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good
> choice for everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their
> own brand. None of the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types
> are worth wasting ink on. I've also had good results on 28# copy
> paper for duplexing and general printing.
However, for speed they lose out to any Laser printer. An inkjet,
printing text, can probably be driven at full speed with a 1200
baud line (in text). Yet printing speed of 4 to 6 pages per minute
are common, for text or graphics, with a Laser printer.
I don't want to print any 100 page manuals on any inkjet.
--
Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
<http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.
"B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote:
>Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is some
>color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
>someone recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
>reasonably fast.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>BS
I'm not sure I know which inkjet prints the best text. Generally I am reluctant
to recommend printers in this forum but your needs seem to be well defined.
This is one of the fastest inkjets on the market today http://tinyurl.com/ytylwp
It produces text that is of high quality, I suggest you see if you can get a
demo page at a local dealer. It is designed for small offices with a moderately
high printing workload.
It uses #88 cartriidges (4 of them) which are high capacity and the extra large
black cartridge is available, it is as fast as most entry level laser printers
and has a cost per page that is cheaper than many lasers. The colour output is
more than good enough for brochures and prints from the internet. It has two
user replacable printheads that have a warranted life based on manufacturing
dates and these usually have warranties that extend beyond the printer warranty.
I have many satisfied customers with this printer.
Several have recommended laser printers, if you need occasional colour prints a
laser is likely to be too expensive to buy and the cost per page for entry
level colour lasers is almost certainly going to be higher than for this
printer.
Good luck
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:38:58 GMT, "Martha Adams"
<mhada@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>>
>> One of the benefits of a laser is that just about anything
>> you shove into it (besides very glossy paper the toner just
>> won't adhere to before it's fused to the paper, or certain
>> types of plastics that have a melting point too low... more
>> of a problem with older lasers that ran at higher fuser
>> temps than today's color lasers that use toner with more
>> waxy-whatever lower melting point), prints out sharp as a
>> tack. Basically it means you can buy bulk copy machine
>> paper which is far less expensive than many other types.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger head
>>>and
>>>are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or pigment
>>>black
>>>depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
>>>quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat being
>>>that
>>>you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper
>>>isn't it.
>>>
>>
>> The other option is what many people do, use a B&W laser for
>> text documents and (color) inkjet for pictures.
>
>I think Schneier wants what he says he wants, and it could
>be productive to review what he says. I noticed this thread
>went over pretty quick to laser printers, without recognizing
>a key difference from inkjets, that laser printers, even the
>most modern ones, use a fuser step in copy printing and this
>fuser has to boost power requirements sharply.
OP never listed low power as an important criteria. Quite
the opposite, the issue was speed and quality. I have to
wonder why power seems important to you, whether you have
dodgy site wiring or are especially green about power.
Eithe would be a valid concern if present, but there are a
lot of factors in a business. Getting printing done faster
on a laser can actually save power by ending the lights and
other site facility usage sooner.
>The inkjet
>has no fuser thus runs without that peak power need of the
>laser printer's fuser. Until he says something else, as far
>as I'm concerned he's asking about inkjets *for this reason*
>and so laser printers are probably off his track.
Why in the world would you assume this, until it had been
expressly stated that some low power utilization was a
factor? Thus far, that issue has been conspicously missing
from the text.
>Maybe
>someone could reply to him, asking, well, *could you use* a
>laser printer in your application? And if he responds 'Yes,'
>then the thread could go into laser printers. But for now I
>see no reason at all to be talking about other than inkjets.
You have a reasonable point in that the OP did make a
distinction here, but on the other hand, the world does
indeed function doing the tasks described with laser
printers. Nobody is forced to follow any advice given, but
I can tell you from regular use, that a decent quality color
laser printer can meet the expressed goals.
The primary area where a decent color laser falls short, is
short range viewing of photorealistic output. It is not as
good as a very high quality magazine would be, but for
brochure photos or other things less demanding, any business
would be crazy to use inkjet printers instead. Today an
inkjet is really only best for very low volume photo
printing. It isn't even a low cost issue anymore unless one
is trying to be extremely stingy about it over a short term,
as printing color over time costs more with an inkjet unless
you have a rare specimen of inkjet where you can get bulk
ink reserviours with connected tubingi so the ink supply is
vastly larger than the manufacturer intended it to be.
Sometimes, people get conceptions and just need to hear
alternative points of view from others who have had similar
needs and did not need to do the same as the ideal proposed.
I don't just print personal things with a color laser, I
have mass volume printing and have put about half a million
pages on every laser I've had before they were retired.
Inkjet? It's a small niche really, someone who regularly
prints only a small volume. That could indeed describe many
home users, but IMO, may not describe the OP's needs.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:47:13 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
wrote:
>
>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:6il8m3pjckva5u5css8n3lv8k1ob62s40v@4ax.com.. .
>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>>
>
>
>Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good choice for
>everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their own brand. None of
>the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types are worth wasting ink on.
>I've also had good results on 28# copy paper for duplexing and general
>printing.
>
Perhaps, but if printing on sub-optimal paper using an
inkjet printer, then the difference in quality starts to
diminish between it and a laser.
With a modern color laser, the toner is semi-glossy, even
black text, unlike old B&W lasers which had matte black
output. Therefore, coated paper is best for photos on a
color laser, so it is also true for inkjets, just a differnt
type of (more costly) coating.
I find that with generic copy machine paper on an inkjet,
the text output is nowhere near as sharp as using same paper
on a laser. Basically I'm suggesting that if the volume of
text is high, there might be a justification for more than
one printer if the color output also needs to have the very
highest photo realistic output.
On the other handn when viewed at a distance, a color laser
does have fairly good output, certainly higher than what one
would find in the typical magazine.
Jan Alter wrote:
> HP printers have a good reputation for giving high quality text. Color
> printing should be good as well. If ink cost is not the critical factor and
> the very best photo printing of that import then you may be very satisfied.
>
I bought a HP OJ L7580 few weeks ago,
Why it always printed 35 pages then stop even I had send more than 35
pages to the printer.
> When you unpack a printer of a certain brand it comes with ink carts. Thats
> when you have that particular brand. Many here put who knows what crap in their
> printer so they no longer have the printer they purchased.
I thought mouseshite had hit rock bottom with his inane drivel in recent
postings, but I see he's starting to mine!
Wipe the drool off his chin and put his straight jacket back on, someone!
Taliesyn wrote:
> Martha Adams wrote:
>
>>
>> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:6il8m3pjckva5u5css8n3lv8k1ob62s40v@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:42:07 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "B. Schneier" <m.ps@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Y9O8j.533$7I.158@trndny09...
>>>>
>>>>> Most of my printing involves documents and legal briefs. There is
>>>>> some
>>>>> color printing for brochures and stuff I find on the Internet. Can
>>>>> someone
>>>>> recommend a color ink jet that prints laser-like text and is
>>>>> reasonably
>>>>> fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>> BS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Fast" and "quality" do not always quarter in comfort.
>>>>
>>>> Almost any inkjet is capable of excellent quality text with the
>>>> right paper,
>>>> and almost any high-quality printer is capable of producing crappy
>>>> text with
>>>> the wrong paper.
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>>>
>>> One of the benefits of a laser is that just about anything
>>> you shove into it (besides very glossy paper the toner just
>>> won't adhere to before it's fused to the paper, or certain
>>> types of plastics that have a melting point too low... more
>>> of a problem with older lasers that ran at higher fuser
>>> temps than today's color lasers that use toner with more
>>> waxy-whatever lower melting point), prints out sharp as a
>>> tack. Basically it means you can buy bulk copy machine
>>> paper which is far less expensive than many other types.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The latest Canon models, IP4500 being the cheapest, have a larger
>>>> head and
>>>> are capable of speed and quality. They will use either dye or
>>>> pigment black
>>>> depending your paper settings. (IP3500 has only pigment black and text
>>>> quality will suffer using high-res paper settings). The caveat
>>>> being that
>>>> you need to select appropriate paper, and off-the-shelf 20# paper
>>>> isn't it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other option is what many people do, use a B&W laser for
>>> text documents and (color) inkjet for pictures.
>>
>>
>> I think Schneier wants what he says he wants, and it could
>> be productive to review what he says. I noticed this thread
>> went over pretty quick to laser printers, without recognizing
>> a key difference from inkjets, that laser printers, even the
>> most modern ones, use a fuser step in copy printing and this
>> fuser has to boost power requirements sharply. The inkjet
>> has no fuser thus runs without that peak power need of the
>> laser printer's fuser. Until he says something else, as far
>> as I'm concerned he's asking about inkjets *for this reason*
>> and so laser printers are probably off his track. Maybe
>> someone could reply to him, asking, well, *could you use* a
>> laser printer in your application? And if he responds 'Yes,'
>> then the thread could go into laser printers. But for now I
>> see no reason at all to be talking about other than inkjets.
>>
>> Cheers -- Martha Adams [comp.periphs.printers 2007 Dec 15]
>>
>>
>
> I find Canon printers give near laser results when used in conjunction
> with good quality paper. Not coated paper, just good quality paper.
>
> -Taliesyn
Totally False. I own and like my Canon but it is far from Laser quality
results. As for text quality is does not quite match my HP. That said
it still is very good.
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:amt9m3h7olkqgbn74bngtd6e43u8qpeue4@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good choice for
>>everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their own brand. None of
>>the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types are worth wasting ink on.
>>I've also had good results on 28# copy paper for duplexing and general
>>printing.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but if printing on sub-optimal paper using an
> inkjet printer, then the difference in quality starts to
> diminish between it and a laser.
>
> With a modern color laser, the toner is semi-glossy, even
> black text, unlike old B&W lasers which had matte black
> output. Therefore, coated paper is best for photos on a
> color laser, so it is also true for inkjets, just a differnt
> type of (more costly) coating.
>
> I find that with generic copy machine paper on an inkjet,
> the text output is nowhere near as sharp as using same paper
> on a laser. Basically I'm suggesting that if the volume of
> text is high, there might be a justification for more than
> one printer if the color output also needs to have the very
> highest photo realistic output.
>
> On the other handn when viewed at a distance, a color laser
> does have fairly good output, certainly higher than what one
> would find in the typical magazine.
>
Apparently, you are not concerned that this thread is about inkjet, not
laser.
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:06:57 -0500, CBFalconer
<cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>DanG wrote:
>> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Agreed, with an inkjet, but what do you consider a good
>>> high-volume use paper for inkjet?
>>
>> Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good
>> choice for everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their
>> own brand. None of the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types
>> are worth wasting ink on. I've also had good results on 28# copy
>> paper for duplexing and general printing.
>
>However, for speed they lose out to any Laser printer. An inkjet,
>printing text, can probably be driven at full speed with a 1200
>baud line (in text). Yet printing speed of 4 to 6 pages per minute
>are common, for text or graphics, with a Laser printer.
>
>I don't want to print any 100 page manuals on any inkjet.
Today even the cheap lasers can manage around 20 pages a
minute. Sometimes the more elaborate color lasers have an
annoying tendency to "calibrate" themselves before printing
a series of high quality color documents, which I suspect
really means stabilizing a uniform temp among all transfer
rollers.
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:13 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
wrote:
>
>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>news:amt9m3h7olkqgbn74bngtd6e43u8qpeue4@4ax.com.. .
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good choice for
>>>everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their own brand. None of
>>>the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types are worth wasting ink on.
>>>I've also had good results on 28# copy paper for duplexing and general
>>>printing.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps, but if printing on sub-optimal paper using an
>> inkjet printer, then the difference in quality starts to
>> diminish between it and a laser.
>>
>> With a modern color laser, the toner is semi-glossy, even
>> black text, unlike old B&W lasers which had matte black
>> output. Therefore, coated paper is best for photos on a
>> color laser, so it is also true for inkjets, just a differnt
>> type of (more costly) coating.
>>
>> I find that with generic copy machine paper on an inkjet,
>> the text output is nowhere near as sharp as using same paper
>> on a laser. Basically I'm suggesting that if the volume of
>> text is high, there might be a justification for more than
>> one printer if the color output also needs to have the very
>> highest photo realistic output.
>>
>> On the other handn when viewed at a distance, a color laser
>> does have fairly good output, certainly higher than what one
>> would find in the typical magazine.
>>
>
>Apparently, you are not concerned that this thread is about inkjet, not
>laser.
True, since many people do use lasers for the described
tasks and their goals were similar to the OP's, for greater
speed. We could reply to a thread about the best brick to
use to pound a nail into a 2x4, but when hammers exist...
"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:fo7bm3d4p2v71ps6ek06nefar8572f0a61@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:38:13 -0700, "DanG" <nospam@q.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:amt9m3h7olkqgbn74bngtd6e43u8qpeue4@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Any decent 24# paper that's labeled as "inkjet paper" is a good choice
>>>>for
>>>>everyday printing. Most of the office stores have their own brand. None
>>>>of
>>>>the 20# "multipurpose" or "office paper" types are worth wasting ink on.
>>>>I've also had good results on 28# copy paper for duplexing and general
>>>>printing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but if printing on sub-optimal paper using an
>>> inkjet printer, then the difference in quality starts to
>>> diminish between it and a laser.
>>>
>>> With a modern color laser, the toner is semi-glossy, even
>>> black text, unlike old B&W lasers which had matte black
>>> output. Therefore, coated paper is best for photos on a
>>> color laser, so it is also true for inkjets, just a differnt
>>> type of (more costly) coating.
>>>
>>> I find that with generic copy machine paper on an inkjet,
>>> the text output is nowhere near as sharp as using same paper
>>> on a laser. Basically I'm suggesting that if the volume of
>>> text is high, there might be a justification for more than
>>> one printer if the color output also needs to have the very
>>> highest photo realistic output.
>>>
>>> On the other handn when viewed at a distance, a color laser
>>> does have fairly good output, certainly higher than what one
>>> would find in the typical magazine.
>>>
>>
>>Apparently, you are not concerned that this thread is about inkjet, not
>>laser.
>
> True, since many people do use lasers for the described
> tasks and their goals were similar to the OP's, for greater
> speed. We could reply to a thread about the best brick to
> use to pound a nail into a 2x4, but when hammers exist...
>
>
On my desk I always have the two printer solution to the problem. A good
quality b/w laser printer and an inkjet that prints good quality photos and
color graphics. The best of both worlds at this point in time. Fast text
printing for multi-page reports, documentation booklets, checks, and
business correspondance. Photo prints that look, to the naked eye, as good
as lab prints.
Burt wrote:
> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>
.... snip ...
>
>> True, since many people do use lasers for the described
>> tasks and their goals were similar to the OP's, for greater
>> speed. We could reply to a thread about the best brick to
>> use to pound a nail into a 2x4, but when hammers exist...
>
> On my desk I always have the two printer solution to the problem.
> A good quality b/w laser printer and an inkjet that prints good
> quality photos and color graphics. The best of both worlds at
> this point in time. Fast text printing for multi-page reports,
> documentation booklets, checks, and business correspondance.
> Photo prints that look, to the naked eye, as good as lab prints.
True. And many can simply dispose with the color printer. At any
rate it allows you to chose the optimum method. Although color
lasers are getting better and cheaper, and this optimum may soon
change.
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Tony, thanks, but there's a couple of problems here.
1. The link that you posted goes into a black hole.
2. You didn't mention the model number once in your post, so I have no
idea what machine you're talking about. And I really want to know!
So, since I really appreciate your contributions to this NG, I'd also
appreciate your simply mentioning the model so that, even if HP won't
sell me one, I know what to buy from someone else.
> On my desk I always have the two printer solution to the problem. A good
> quality b/w laser printer and an inkjet that prints good quality photos and
> color graphics. The best of both worlds at this point in time. Fast text
> printing for multi-page reports, documentation booklets, checks, and
> business correspondance. Photo prints that look, to the naked eye, as good
> as lab prints.
>
>
Probably the best solution, as long as the O.P. has the space and the
cash to buy, use, and support two printers.
Richard Steinfeld <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote:
>Tony wrote:
>...
>
>> This is one of the fastest inkjets on the market today
>> http://tinyurl.com/ytylwp
>
>Tony, thanks, but there's a couple of problems here.
>1. The link that you posted goes into a black hole.
>2. You didn't mention the model number once in your post, so I have no
>idea what machine you're talking about. And I really want to know!
>
>So, since I really appreciate your contributions to this NG, I'd also
>appreciate your simply mentioning the model so that, even if HP won't
>sell me one, I know what to buy from someone else.
>
Oops, yes the link is bad Richard
Try http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/p...C8184A%2523A2L
It's the Officejet Pro K5400 which is part of a series that use the same
engine, some are multifunction devices, the 5400 is a stand alone printer.
Tony
Jan Alter wrote:
>
> HP printers have a good reputation for giving high quality text. Color
> printing should be good as well. If ink cost is not the critical factor and
> the very best photo printing of that import then you may be very satisfied.
What inkjet printer prints the best text? 
Linear Mode
