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Old 09-08-2005, 11:17 PM
Michael C
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Default Windows explorer

I had to replace a server last night. I copied all of their data accross
using windows explorer. I really love the way you leave it to copy or move a
large number of files accross and come back half an hour later to find it 1%
of the way through saying "Thumbs.db" is a system file, do you want to move
this highly important file?". Or when you re-do a failed copy it says "this
file already exists, do you want to overwrite?". Couldn't it check to
determine that the files are identical and not do the copy? With all the
dancing paper clip style features we've got surely this wouldn't be too
difficult to implement. The other thing I really love is when it encounters
an error and just stops!!! It reminds me of a young worker who you give
something simple to do and they keep running up to you and asking really
simple questions over and over or encounter some problem and just say they
couldn't finish it so gave up.

Anyway, what I'd like is a program which I can just run from CD which I can
tell it to do a copy of dir abc to dir abc and it will report errors at the
end and give me a chance to fix them. I might need to copy a whole drive but
a certain dir can't be copied because a program is running. It would be good
to be able to close the program and then hit a "Retry failed files" button.
Anything like that exist?

Thanks,
Michael






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Old 09-08-2005, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: Windows explorer

if something like that existed i'd wanna know about it.. it truly is
annoying to stop copying files cuz of an error then have no clue what
you've copied already


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Old 09-09-2005, 12:42 AM
Michael C
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"BlastUK" <BlastUK@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> if something like that existed i'd wanna know about it.. it truly is
> annoying to stop copying files cuz of an error then have no clue what
> you've copied already


Yes, it was a problem back in win311, you'd think they'd have come up with
something better in 10 years. I can understand when they deliberately make
something poor to allow competition, eg their help authoring program is very
basic, but there really isn't any competition for windows explorer. It
wouldn't take a lot to fix this either.

Michael



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Old 09-09-2005, 12:56 PM
Josh T
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Default Re: Windows explorer

Try a command line program like robocopy from the Windows resource kit or
see if there is a Windows native version of rsync. Else I've had luck
using Konqueror from a Knoppix CD (bootable Linux live CD) - it can read
NTFS drives, but not write to them, but is fine writing to a FAT formatted
USB drive or a Windows network share - and doesn't give as much lip as
Explorer does.

Josh

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Old 09-09-2005, 07:20 PM
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"Michael C" <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I had to replace a server last night. I copied all of their data accross
>using windows explorer. I really love the way you leave it to copy or move
>a large number of files accross and come back half an hour later to find it
>1% of the way through saying "Thumbs.db" is a system file, do you want to
>move this highly important file?". Or when you re-do a failed copy it says
>"this file already exists, do you want to overwrite?". Couldn't it check to
>determine that the files are identical and not do the copy? With all the
>dancing paper clip style features we've got surely this wouldn't be too
>difficult to implement. The other thing I really love is when it encounters
>an error and just stops!!! It reminds me of a young worker who you give
>something simple to do and they keep running up to you and asking really
>simple questions over and over or encounter some problem and just say they
>couldn't finish it so gave up.
>
> Anyway, what I'd like is a program which I can just run from CD which I
> can tell it to do a copy of dir abc to dir abc and it will report errors
> at the end and give me a chance to fix them. I might need to copy a whole
> drive but a certain dir can't be copied because a program is running. It
> would be good to be able to close the program and then hit a "Retry failed
> files" button. Anything like that exist?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>



Here's what you want. The command line 'robocopy' works great!

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

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Old 09-10-2005, 02:56 AM
George Hester
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"Michael C" <me@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I had to replace a server last night. I copied all of their data accross
> using windows explorer. I really love the way you leave it to copy or move

a
> large number of files accross and come back half an hour later to find it

1%
> of the way through saying "Thumbs.db" is a system file, do you want to

move
> this highly important file?". Or when you re-do a failed copy it says

"this
> file already exists, do you want to overwrite?". Couldn't it check to
> determine that the files are identical and not do the copy? With all the
> dancing paper clip style features we've got surely this wouldn't be too
> difficult to implement. The other thing I really love is when it

encounters
> an error and just stops!!! It reminds me of a young worker who you give
> something simple to do and they keep running up to you and asking really
> simple questions over and over or encounter some problem and just say they
> couldn't finish it so gave up.
>
> Anyway, what I'd like is a program which I can just run from CD which I

can
> tell it to do a copy of dir abc to dir abc and it will report errors at

the
> end and give me a chance to fix them. I might need to copy a whole drive

but
> a certain dir can't be copied because a program is running. It would be

good
> to be able to close the program and then hit a "Retry failed files"

button.
> Anything like that exist?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>


xcopy and its options?

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Old 09-10-2005, 11:37 AM
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"George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> xcopy and its options?


I'm using xcopy to do a secondary backup to a usb hdd but it's not much good
for copying an entire drive because it only reports what errors ocurred, not
on which files, which makes it fairly useless.

Thanks everyone for the replies, I'll have a look into robocopy.

Michael



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Old 09-10-2005, 04:55 PM
George Hester
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"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:H3rUe.66833$EX.33972@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > xcopy and its options?

>
> I'm using xcopy to do a secondary backup to a usb hdd but it's not much

good
> for copying an entire drive because it only reports what errors ocurred,

not
> on which files, which makes it fairly useless.
>
> Thanks everyone for the replies, I'll have a look into robocopy.
>
> Michael
>
>


Yes the only reason why I suggested it is that you didn't want to stop the
copying on errors. You did say you wanted a listing of where the errors
occur but I thought your primary reason for the post was you didn't want the
copying to quit-looking for a response from you for the error. xcopy can do
that. You want more then that the other app is the way to go.

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Old 09-11-2005, 01:26 AM
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"George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yes the only reason why I suggested it is that you didn't want to stop the
> copying on errors. You did say you wanted a listing of where the errors
> occur but I thought your primary reason for the post was you didn't want
> the
> copying to quit-looking for a response from you for the error. xcopy can
> do
> that. You want more then that the other app is the way to go.


Yeah, in the case of errors I want it to continue but I want to see what
they are so I can fix them. Pity it doesn't just show the filename.

Michael



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Old 09-12-2005, 01:56 AM
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"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rlDUe.66883$EX.44802@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Yes the only reason why I suggested it is that you didn't want to stop

the
> > copying on errors. You did say you wanted a listing of where the errors
> > occur but I thought your primary reason for the post was you didn't want
> > the
> > copying to quit-looking for a response from you for the error. xcopy

can
> > do
> > that. You want more then that the other app is the way to go.

>
> Yeah, in the case of errors I want it to continue but I want to see what
> they are so I can fix them. Pity it doesn't just show the filename.
>
> Michael
>
>


Well my issue was that the drive was defective. There was no chance I could
fix the error even if I wanted to. For IDE drives I've never had errors
from files on disk. The one I had was a SCSI. The disk had growing sector
errors and they grew into locations of data on the disk. Copy would not
work with CRC errors. If those are the errors you are getting I really know
of no way to fix those. Just xcopy and compare the size of the original and
the copied. If they are substantially different well that's a problem
depending on what it is you are copying.

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Old 09-12-2005, 02:20 AM
Michael C
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"George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well my issue was that the drive was defective. There was no chance I
> could
> fix the error even if I wanted to. For IDE drives I've never had errors
> from files on disk. The one I had was a SCSI. The disk had growing
> sector
> errors and they grew into locations of data on the disk. Copy would not
> work with CRC errors. If those are the errors you are getting I really
> know
> of no way to fix those. Just xcopy and compare the size of the original
> and
> the copied. If they are substantially different well that's a problem
> depending on what it is you are copying.


It varies, the machine that prompted me to write this post had memory
errors. The copy errors I was getting was from various programs and services
having files locked.

Michael



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Old 09-18-2005, 07:04 PM
George Hester
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"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:un4Ve.87219$Hx4.41275@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > Well my issue was that the drive was defective. There was no chance I
> > could
> > fix the error even if I wanted to. For IDE drives I've never had errors
> > from files on disk. The one I had was a SCSI. The disk had growing
> > sector
> > errors and they grew into locations of data on the disk. Copy would not
> > work with CRC errors. If those are the errors you are getting I really
> > know
> > of no way to fix those. Just xcopy and compare the size of the original
> > and
> > the copied. If they are substantially different well that's a problem
> > depending on what it is you are copying.

>
> It varies, the machine that prompted me to write this post had memory
> errors. The copy errors I was getting was from various programs and

services
> having files locked.
>
> Michael
>
>


Oh wel in that case do your coping in Safe Mode. But what you experienced
in the later is normal.

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