This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
it.
Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
software program.
I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
permanent static address).
> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> it.
>
> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
> the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
> IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
> website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
> would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
> program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
> software program.
I have, in my logs, the names of some of the folks in COLA/CSMA labeled.
For example, Steve Carroll used to claim to never visit my site - so I
labeled his IP address. His name pops up in my logs... and he visits often.
I also get visits from others in his area (the IP address can show where
someone is from). He likely goes to neighbors and the library or wherever
to view my site.
> I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
> the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
> that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
> addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
> it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
> various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
> able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
> identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
> them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
> permanent static address).
>
> RL
RayLopez99 wrote:
> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> it.
Security groups may be what you are looking for.
> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
> the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
> IP address?
> To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
> website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
> would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
> program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
> software program.
No. Many posts don't have the IP of the poster, and even those that have may
not be reliable, as not being the IP of the poster but of some proxy.
I use a anonymizing proxy to post in Usenet, so even if some header has a IP
it will be the proxy's IP and not the system's IP I'm posting from.
In article <8e29ab55-b91c-4e07-87b5-4a91b1519044@p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
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>From: RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
>Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.anti-virus,alt.computer.security,comp.os.linux.setup,co mp.os.linux.advocacy
>Subject: Tracking IP addresses and Usenet posts?
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST)
>Organization: http://groups.google.com
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>X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:00:40 +0000 (UTC)
>Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
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>
>This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>it.
>
>Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
>and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
>the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
>IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
>website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
>would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
>program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
>software program.
>
>I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
>the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
>that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
>addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
>it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
>various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
>able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
>identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
>them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
>permanent static address).
>
>RL
*Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
Your post's header had this line in it
NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
> In article <8e29ab55-b91c-4e07-87b5-4a91b1519044@p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
> RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Path:
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>>From: RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
>>Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.anti-virus,alt.computer.security,comp.os.linux.setup,co mp.os.linux.advocacy
>>Subject: Tracking IP addresses and Usenet posts?
>>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST)
>>Organization: http://groups.google.com
>>Lines: 24
>>Message-ID: <8e29ab55-b91c-4e07-87b5-4a91b1519044@p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>X-Trace: posting.google.com 1294070440 29908 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2011 16:00:40 GMT)
>>X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:00:40 +0000 (UTC)
>>Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>Injection-Info: p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=94.71.18.120; posting-account=fRZa_AkAAACE3nlFA9zM1Eq00OKq1Ycq
>>User-Agent: G2/1.0
>>X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US)
>> AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.224 Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe)
>>Xref: news.sonic.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:528884 alt.comp.anti-virus:38839 alt.computer.security:77845 comp.os.linux.setup:534874 comp.os.linux.advocacy:1857523
>>
>>This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>it.
>>
>>Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
>>and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
>>the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
>>IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
>>website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
>>would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
>>program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
>>software program.
>>
>>I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
>>the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
>>that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
>>addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
>>it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
>>various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
>>able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
>>identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
>>them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
>>permanent static address).
>>
>>RL
>
> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>
> Your post's header had this line in it
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>
> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>
> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11 9:32
AM:
> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>
>> In article
>> <8e29ab55-b91c-4e07-87b5-4a91b1519044@p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>,
>> RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Path:
>>> news.sonic.net!nnrp0.nntp.sonic.net!199.245.68.22. MISMATCH!spool2.nntp.sonic
>>> .net!news-xfer.nntp.sonic.net!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com !news.glorb.com!
>>> postnews.google.com!p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com!no t-for-mail
>>> From: RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com>
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.anti-virus,alt.computer.security,com
>>> p.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
>>> Subject: Tracking IP addresses and Usenet posts?
>>> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST)
>>> Organization: http://groups.google.com
>>> Lines: 24
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <8e29ab55-b91c-4e07-87b5-4a91b1519044@p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1294070440 29908 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2011 16:00:40
>>> GMT)
>>> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:00:40 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>>> Injection-Info: p8g2000vbs.googlegroups.com; posting-host=94.71.18.120;
>>> posting-account=fRZa_AkAAACE3nlFA9zM1Eq00OKq1Ycq
>>> User-Agent: G2/1.0
>>> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US)
>>> AppleWebKit/534.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/8.0.552.224
>>> Safari/534.10,gzip(gfe)
>>> Xref: news.sonic.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:528884
>>> alt.comp.anti-virus:38839 alt.computer.security:77845
>>> comp.os.linux.setup:534874 comp.os.linux.advocacy:1857523
>>>
>>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
>>> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
>>> the header, is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
>>> IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
>>> website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
>>> would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
>>> program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
>>> software program.
>>>
>>> I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
>>> the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
>>> that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
>>> addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
>>> it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
>>> various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
>>> able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
>>> identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
>>> them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
>>> permanent static address).
>>>
>>> RL
>>
>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>
>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>
>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>
>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>
> Easily spoofed of course.
Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls masquerading
as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names with
my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
repulsive behavior.
> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11 9:32
> AM:
>
>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>
>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>
>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>
>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>
>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>>
>> Easily spoofed of course.
>
> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls masquerading
> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names with
> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
> repulsive behavior.
Claude V. Lucas wrote:
> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>
> Your post's header had this line in it
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>
> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
Unless he is using a proxy. In that case it is the proxy's IP that the nntp
server will see and put in the header.
> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less
> traceable.
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11 9:32
>> AM:
>>
>>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>>
>>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>>
>>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>>
>>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>>
>>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>>>
>>> Easily spoofed of course.
>>
>> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls masquerading
>> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names with
>> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
>> repulsive behavior.
>
> Sounds like the kind of thing HPT gets up to too.
Yea.
HPT is always slithering around stalking people.
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:37:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11 9:32
>>> AM:
>>>
>>>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>>>
>>>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>>>
>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>>>
>>>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less
>>>>> traceable.
>>>>
>>>> Easily spoofed of course.
>>>
>>> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls masquerading
>>> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names with
>>> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
>>> repulsive behavior.
>>
>> Sounds like the kind of thing HPT gets up to too.
>
> Yea.
> HPT is always slithering around stalking people.
Look at the list of quotes he has *about* me... scavenged over many years
and many are out and out forged (from Carroll socks and the like). He does
that because he *knows* he cannot show me doing as he accuses.
It is reprehensible on his part.
Then again, the fact he and his cohorts target me to such an extent is proof
they know I am right ... or at least mostly so ... in what I write and that
I support my views well. There is no other reason for them to obsess about
me so much.
On Jan 3, 6:24*pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> I have, in my logs, the names of some of the folks in COLA/CSMA labeled.
> For example, Steve Carroll used to claim to never visit my site - so I
> labeled his IP address. *His name pops up in my logs... and he visits often.
> I also get visits from others in his area (the IP address can show where
> someone is from). *He likely goes to neighbors and the library or wherever
> to view my site.
>
Just visited your site. So I see now why you're against Linux.
Indeed, it would give people without any medical problems a heart
attack, anxiety attack or worse (like epileptic fits trying to install
it). Makes sense.
On Jan 3, 6:32*pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>
> > which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>
> > Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>
> Easily spoofed of course.
Yes apparently easily spoofed--and Peter Kohlmann for one thinks I'm
not posting from Greece. But tell me, how is it easily spoofed?
Using what program or platform? Unix? Microsoft? I've always heard
that it's easy to spoof but never looked into the mechanics of it.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> it.
Oh, lessee, let me think, hmmmmmmmmmmm
*ALT.PRIVACY?????*
Nooooo, you don't want to go there and get your rectum reamed for the
umpteenth time. LOL
> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
> the header,
> is there an automated way of checking all Usenet posts by
> IP address? To see if a particular poster who visited a particular
> website also posted certain messages on Usenet or elsewhere? This
> would be done by the webmaster of the website visited. Is there a
> program to do this? Not manually, which anybody can do, but a
> software program.
Yes.
> I recall years ago some stock forensic accounting firm working with
> the US SEC developed some kind of software--or was it off the shelf?
> that's my question--that allowed you to tell, by comparing IP
> addresses as well as sentence syntax (sentence syntax is difficult, so
> it was probably a custom program) who (by IP address) posted what on
> various penny stock bulletin boards and chat rooms. Then they were
> able to subpoena the internet provider to find out the real world
> identity of the particular person who had that IP address assigned to
> them on a particular day of a certain posting (assuming it was not a
> permanent static address).
>
> RL
> Juan stated in post qtc0qr6ysgwz.15snf0jl2g1pm.dlg@40tude.net on 1/3/11
> 10:26 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:37:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11 9:32
>>>> AM:
>>>>
>>>>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less
>>>>>> traceable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Easily spoofed of course.
>>>>
>>>> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls masquerading
>>>> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names with
>>>> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
>>>> repulsive behavior.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the kind of thing HPT gets up to too.
>>
>> Yea.
>> HPT is always slithering around stalking people.
>
> Look at the list of quotes he has *about* me... scavenged over many years
> and many are out and out forged (from Carroll socks and the like). He does
> that because he *knows* he cannot show me doing as he accuses.
>
> It is reprehensible on his part.
>
> Then again, the fact he and his cohorts target me to such an extent is proof
> they know I am right ... or at least mostly so ... in what I write and that
> I support my views well. There is no other reason for them to obsess about
> me so much.
On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
> > This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> > it.
>
> Oh, lessee, let me think, hmmmmmmmmmmm
>
> *ALT.PRIVACY?????*
>
> Nooooo, you don't want to go there and get your rectum reamed for the
> umpteenth time. LOL
>
> > Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
> > and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
> > the header,
>
> Show mine.
>
> Can't?
>
> Stick to thumping your meat.
>
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.running/browse_frm/thread/dfc30edb...>
You behave Ari Silverstein, or I'll stick that Balkan Curse back on
you. (For the rest of you reading this thread, I threatened Ari with
a voodoo curse unless he replied to a certain post, and he dutifully
replied, showing that he was afraid of the curse. LOL Ari believes in
black magic, as do many people).
> On Jan 3, 6:32Â*pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>
>> > which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>
>> > Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>>
>> Easily spoofed of course.
>
> Yes apparently easily spoofed--and Peter Kohlmann for one thinks I'm
> not posting from Greece. But tell me, how is it easily spoofed?
> Using what program or platform? Unix? Microsoft? I've always heard
> that it's easy to spoof but never looked into the mechanics of it.
>
> RL
In the cases where the posting SERVER doesnt overwrite it simply add the
header yourself. With something like Gnus its trivial using, for
example, gnus-posting styles. With kiddies news readers like Pan or
KNode etc I'm not sure. However, nymshifting is reprehensible behaviour
enough. Doing so and then pretending to be someone else's IP is the kind
of behaviour only the lowest of the low and scum of the earth, like
Peter or hpt, would lower themselves to do.
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:38:21 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Juan stated in post qtc0qr6ysgwz.15snf0jl2g1pm.dlg@40tude.net on 1/3/11
>> 10:26 AM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:37:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11
>>>>> 9:32
>>>>> AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less
>>>>>>> traceable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easily spoofed of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls
>>>>> masquerading
>>>>> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names
>>>>> with
>>>>> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
>>>>> repulsive behavior.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the kind of thing HPT gets up to too.
>>>
>>> Yea.
>>> HPT is always slithering around stalking people.
>>
>> Look at the list of quotes he has *about* me... scavenged over many years
>> and many are out and out forged (from Carroll socks and the like). He does
>> that because he *knows* he cannot show me doing as he accuses.
>>
>> It is reprehensible on his part.
>>
>> Then again, the fact he and his cohorts target me to such an extent is proof
>> they know I am right ... or at least mostly so ... in what I write and that
>> I support my views well. There is no other reason for them to obsess about
>> me so much.
>
> Who the hell let open the kindergarten door?
> On Jan 3, 6:24*pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> I have, in my logs, the names of some of the folks in COLA/CSMA labeled.
>> For example, Steve Carroll used to claim to never visit my site - so I
>> labeled his IP address. *His name pops up in my logs... and he visits often.
>> I also get visits from others in his area (the IP address can show where
>> someone is from). *He likely goes to neighbors and the library or wherever
>> to view my site.
>>
>
> Just visited your site. So I see now why you're against Linux.
To be clear: I am *not* against Linux. I use it and suggest it to others.
I think it is great... but I also realize it has a *lot* of room for
improvement.
> Indeed, it would give people without any medical problems a heart
> attack, anxiety attack or worse (like epileptic fits trying to install
> it). Makes sense.
>
> RL
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:02:57 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
> On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
>>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>> it.
>>
>> Oh, lessee, let me think, hmmmmmmmmmmm
>>
>> *ALT.PRIVACY?????*
>>
>> Nooooo, you don't want to go there and get your rectum reamed for the
>> umpteenth time. LOL
>>
>>> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
>>> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
>>> the header,
>>
>> Show mine.
>>
>> Can't?
>>
>
> Reply-To: AriSilverst...@yahoo.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Trace: individual.net w9HMm7wkTdd3/M4CtGeavghg4l6mAyEpZVrZ/
> 4fCpCWZnxai7s
> Cancel-Lock: sha1:mgXf7mHmsbGgIPyQCnp0NkiIHHQ=
So where's th IP?
You are one of the more insufferably stoPidD imbeciles on Usenet, you
are aware of that?
>> Stick to thumping your meat.
>>
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.running/browse_frm/thread/dfc30edb...>
>
> You behave Ari Silverstein, or I'll stick that Balkan Curse back on
> you. (For the rest of you reading this thread, I threatened Ari with
> a voodoo curse unless he replied to a certain post, and he dutifully
> replied, showing that he was afraid of the curse. LOL Ari believes in
> black magic, as do many people).
>
> RL
On top of being a fukksnort, you're a pathetic troll too.So back to
your dick you go. *LOL*
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:26:42 -0500, Ari Silverstein wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:02:57 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> On Jan 3, 8:43*pm, Ari Silverstein <AriSilverst...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:40 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Oh, lessee, let me think, hmmmmmmmmmmm
>>>
>>> *ALT.PRIVACY?????*
>>>
>>> Nooooo, you don't want to go there and get your rectum reamed for the
>>> umpteenth time. LOL
>>>
>>>> Given that one can track IP addresses of people that visit a website,
>>>> and given that IP addresses of all mail, including Usenet posts, is in
>>>> the header,
>>>
>>> Show mine.
>>>
>>> Can't?
>>>
>>
>> Reply-To: AriSilverst...@yahoo.com
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> X-Trace: individual.net w9HMm7wkTdd3/M4CtGeavghg4l6mAyEpZVrZ/
>> 4fCpCWZnxai7s
>> Cancel-Lock: sha1:mgXf7mHmsbGgIPyQCnp0NkiIHHQ=
>
> So where's the IP?
>
> You are one of the more insufferably stoPidD imbeciles on Usenet, you
> are aware of that?
Well, Meat Thumper, where is my IP address?
Stick to thumping your meat.
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--
´If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of
men, I will find something in them which will hang him.¡ ~Cardinal
Richelieu
> Ari Silverstein stated in post 8oejrhF3k1U1@mid.individual.net on 1/3/11
> 11:46 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:38:21 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Juan stated in post qtc0qr6ysgwz.15snf0jl2g1pm.dlg@40tude.net on 1/3/11
>>> 10:26 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:37:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hadron stated in post ifstms$c10$1@news.eternal-september.org on 1/3/11
>>>>>> 9:32
>>>>>> AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Some* servers include the IP address of the poster in the header
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your post's header had this line in it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less
>>>>>>>> traceable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easily spoofed of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes... mine has been spoofed on a number of occasions by trolls
>>>>>> masquerading
>>>>>> as me. For a while Carroll and crew were posting under different names
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> my IP address... and then claiming to be my wife and the like. Utterly
>>>>>> repulsive behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like the kind of thing HPT gets up to too.
>>>>
>>>> Yea.
>>>> HPT is always slithering around stalking people.
>>>
>>> Look at the list of quotes he has *about* me... scavenged over many years
>>> and many are out and out forged (from Carroll socks and the like). He does
>>> that because he *knows* he cannot show me doing as he accuses.
>>>
>>> It is reprehensible on his part.
>>>
>>> Then again, the fact he and his cohorts target me to such an extent is proof
>>> they know I am right ... or at least mostly so ... in what I write and that
>>> I support my views well. There is no other reason for them to obsess about
>>> me so much.
>>
>> Who the hell let open the kindergarten door?
>
> Welcome to COLA discussions. :)
Is Meat Thumper RayLopez99 one of yours over there on COLA? If so,
would you mind packing him back into his Jack-In-The-Box, fer
chrissakes? lol
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RayLopez99 wrote:
> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> it.
Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
RayLopez99 wrote:
> On Jan 3, 6:32 pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 94.71.18.120
>>
>>> which, unless it was spoofed, should be your address...
>>
>>> Not all servers implement this feature so some postings are less traceable.
>>
>> Easily spoofed of course.
>
> Yes apparently easily spoofed--and Peter Kohlmann for one thinks I'm
> not posting from Greece. But tell me, how is it easily spoofed?
> Using what program or platform? Unix? Microsoft? I've always heard
> that it's easy to spoof but never looked into the mechanics of it.
> RayLopez99 wrote:
>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>> it.
>
> Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>
> I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
> would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
> is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
> or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
> can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
> any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
> to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>
> Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
> but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
Except thats nonsense since people can vary their posting style based on
any and all criteria : even down to the time of day! and with a
programmable system like Emacs/gnus it could be based on something as
crazy as the air pressure that minute! ;)
In article <ifu2c0$r29$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>
> > RayLopez99 wrote:
> >> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> >> it.
> >
> > Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
> >
> > I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
> > would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
> > is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
> > or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
> > can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
> > any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
> > to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
> >
> > Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
> > but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
>
>
> Except thats nonsense since people can vary their posting style based on
> any and all criteria : even down to the time of day! and with a
> programmable system like Emacs/gnus it could be based on something as
> crazy as the air pressure that minute! ;)
There are some characteristics of language use that can be very hard to
deliberately alter -- particularly with the (generally low) amount of
effort someone is likely to put into writing Usenet posts. Things like
the frequency with which specific words are used over a statistically
significant text sample, for instance.
I don't know about off-the-shelf software for doing this sort of
analysis, but techniques like these have been use to help determine
whether to ascribe particular writings to particular historical authors,
e.g. the "Were all of Shakespeare's plays really written by one man?"
question.
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anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
FromTheRafters stated in post ifu205$vst$1@news.eternal-september.org on
1/3/11 7:51 PM:
> RayLopez99 wrote:
>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>> it.
>
> Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>
> I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
> would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
> is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
> or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
> can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
> any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
> to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>
> Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
> but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
While there are tools to try to determine if one set of text is written by
the same author as another set, the tools are far from perfect and require a
fairly long sample. I was working with a professor who had access to (and
was improving) such tools. I used it to confirm my suspicions with Steve
Carroll and some of his socks, but *alone* I would not have considered it
enough evidence to be certain (though after I used about 100 of his posts
and about 50 of his socks, the confidence level reported by the software was
over 90%).
Steve also has tried to mimic my style with other socks of his - and the
best I found he could do was about a 60-65% level of confidence by the
software, and much lower when his exact quotes of mine were removed (around
40%). Still, the fact he was able to get above the baseline 5% or so was
telling - it indicated that he could "capture" some of my style. I suspect
others could do better.
I also assume there might be better software out there to do this task, but
I do not know of any.
Hadron wrote:
> FromTheRafters<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>
>> RayLopez99 wrote:
>>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>> it.
>>
>> Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>>
>> I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
>> would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
>> is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
>> or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
>> can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
>> any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
>> to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>>
>> Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
>> but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
>
>
> Except thats nonsense since people can vary their posting style based on
> any and all criteria : even down to the time of day! and with a
> programmable system like Emacs/gnus it could be based on something as
> crazy as the air pressure that minute! ;)
>
Yes, but if they continually misspell a certain set of words, that can
be enough for a non-authority "fingerprint". Also, use of a certain
phrase can be a clue. I recall a poster using "quiet" for "quite" among
other things and some thrown in 'as it were' that convinced me it was a
person already known to me under another nym - i didn't need an IP.
> In article <ifu2c0$r29$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> FromTheRafters <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>>
>> > RayLopez99 wrote:
>> >> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>> >
>> > I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
>> > would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
>> > is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
>> > or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
>> > can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
>> > any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
>> > to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>> >
>> > Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
>> > but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
>>
>>
>> Except thats nonsense since people can vary their posting style based on
>> any and all criteria : even down to the time of day! and with a
>> programmable system like Emacs/gnus it could be based on something as
>> crazy as the air pressure that minute! ;)
>
> There are some characteristics of language use that can be very hard to
> deliberately alter -- particularly with the (generally low) amount of
> effort someone is likely to put into writing Usenet posts. Things like
> the frequency with which specific words are used over a statistically
> significant text sample, for instance.
If someone is clever enough to want to nym shift and
is aware of posting styles it's easy to alter.
>
> I don't know about off-the-shelf software for doing this sort of
> analysis, but techniques like these have been use to help determine
> whether to ascribe particular writings to particular historical authors,
> e.g. the "Were all of Shakespeare's plays really written by one man?"
> question.
Yes. And a lot of it is garbage since it's as easy to forge someone
elses style as it is to alter your own if you are aware of it.
> Hadron wrote:
>> FromTheRafters<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
>>
>>> RayLopez99 wrote:
>>>> This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>>>
>>> I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
>>> would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
>>> is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
>>> or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
>>> can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
>>> any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
>>> to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>>>
>>> Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
>>> but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
>>
>>
>> Except thats nonsense since people can vary their posting style based on
>> any and all criteria : even down to the time of day! and with a
>> programmable system like Emacs/gnus it could be based on something as
>> crazy as the air pressure that minute! ;)
>>
> Yes, but if they continually misspell a certain set of words, that can
> be enough for a non-authority "fingerprint". Also, use of a certain
> phrase can be a clue. I recall a poster using "quiet" for "quite" among
> other things and some thrown in 'as it were' that convinced me it was a
> person already known to me under another nym - i didn't need an IP.
Have IQs dropped around here?
Clearly if the person does NOT change his "posting style" then you can
tell its him.
If he does, and its easy to do, then its not so easy. BUT as easy as you
claim it is to spot, its as easy to fake.
COLA is full of little header and style spotters. A shame most of them
are wrong most of the time.
If you labelled a poster based on quiet and quite and everything else
was changed you're an idiot. It could almost certainly have been a fake.
On Jan 4, 4:51*am, FromTheRafters <erra...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> RayLopez99 wrote:
> > This is more a privacy question but I could not figure out a forum for
> > it.
>
> Some privacy newsgroups have the word "privacy" in their names.
>
> I don't know the program you are talking about, but if you find it I
> would be interested in the "posting style" aspect of identification. It
> is my belief that *that* method is more powerful than just an IP address
> or even a range of IP addresses. With all of the different ways users
> can access the internet and usenet, IP numbers change too often to be of
> any use outside of the authority's ability to match the IP and the time
> to the client account and contactable person's name and street address.
>
> Usenet posts can be completely untraceable if the right system is used,
> but posting style can be a dead giveaway good enough for non-authorities.
Yes, good point. The authorities are concerned with finding the
contactable person, whereas non-authorities are concerned with 'nym-
shifting' and finding what nyms a poster is using. As to the program,
I'm pretty sure it was a custom written program and not commercially
available. Remember reading about it around 7 years ago in a major
magazine.
Tracking IP addresses and Usenet posts? 
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