On 1/29/2011 11:11 AM, DasFox wrote:
> I downloaded and installed the free browser...it's FIREFOX...
>
> Supposed to use Tor but it showed my IP where I am...no
> TOR...RIPOFF...
If you don't know how to start the car, don't blame the manufacturer.
Why not ask for help instead of spweing your absurd conclusions acress the Internet?
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:46:13 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:
> On 1/29/2011 11:11 AM, DasFox wrote:
>> I downloaded and installed the free browser...it's FIREFOX...
>>
>> Supposed to use Tor but it showed my IP where I am...no
>> TOR...RIPOFF...
>
> If you don't know how to start the car, don't blame the manufacturer.
>
> Why not ask for help instead of spweing your absurd conclusions acress the Internet?
READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:46:13 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2011 11:11 AM, DasFox wrote:
>>> I downloaded and installed the free browser...it's FIREFOX...
>>>
>>> Supposed to use Tor but it showed my IP where I am...no
>>> TOR...RIPOFF...
>>
>> If you don't know how to start the car, don't blame the manufacturer.
>>
>> Why not ask for help instead of spweing your absurd conclusions acress the Internet?
>
> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>
> Sheesh, noobs...
>
> THANKS
Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
sensitive information.
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:06:50 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 21:46:13 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/2011 11:11 AM, DasFox wrote:
>>>> I downloaded and installed the free browser...it's FIREFOX...
>>>>
>>>> Supposed to use Tor but it showed my IP where I am...no
>>>> TOR...RIPOFF...
>>>
>>> If you don't know how to start the car, don't blame the manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Why not ask for help instead of spweing your absurd conclusions acress the Internet?
>>
>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>
>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>
>> THANKS
>
> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>
> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
> sensitive information.
>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>
>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>
>>> THANKS
>>
>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>
>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>> sensitive information.
>
> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>
> THANKS
I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
portal.
One man op? If you trust Steve Topletz, absolutely not. There is a
team of highly skilled international compatriots meticulously
compiling code, hawking your security! ;)
A more appropriate question might be, "Is there but one Steve
Topletz"?
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>
>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>
>>>> THANKS
>>>
>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>
>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>> sensitive information.
>>
>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>
>> THANKS
>
> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
> portal.
>
> One man op? If you trust Steve Topletz, absolutely not. There is a
> team of highly skilled international compatriots meticulously
> compiling code, hawking your security! ;)
>
> A more appropriate question might be, "Is there but one Steve
> Topletz"?
>
> <http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1819746&postcount=558>
>
> or
>
> <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t08BpL1TpxA/SEMTFQbbqpI/AAAAAAAAADg/rwLP2ALubW8/S220/team_steve_topletz.jpg>
>
> Hm. Can a wizard have dual identities? Harry Potter didn't. ;)
The ONLY wizarding Topletz does is how he gets paying customers like
YOU...
To bob his knob and pay for the right to bob...
NOT HARD...since you are on your knees in FRONT of him...WORSHIPING...
On 2/4/2011 12:17 PM, heirophant wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>
>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>
>>>> THANKS
>>>
>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>
>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>> sensitive information.
>>
>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>
>> THANKS
>
> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
> portal.
I would have to respectfully disagree with that.
A commercial VPN is based on a trust model. Just like dealing with your bank.
On 2/4/2011 12:23 PM, DasFox wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>>
>>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>>
>>>>> THANKS
>>>>
>>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>>
>>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>>> sensitive information.
>>>
>>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>>
>>> THANKS
>>
>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>> portal.
>>
>> One man op? If you trust Steve Topletz, absolutely not. There is a
>> team of highly skilled international compatriots meticulously
>> compiling code, hawking your security! ;)
>>
>> A more appropriate question might be, "Is there but one Steve
>> Topletz"?
>>
>> <http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1819746&postcount=558>
>>
>> or
>>
>> <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t08BpL1TpxA/SEMTFQbbqpI/AAAAAAAAADg/rwLP2ALubW8/S220/team_steve_topletz.jpg>
>>
>> Hm. Can a wizard have dual identities? Harry Potter didn't. ;)
>
> The ONLY wizarding Topletz does is how he gets paying customers like
> YOU...
>
> To bob his knob and pay for the right to bob...
>
> NOT HARD...since you are on your knees in FRONT of him...WORSHIPING...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:20:16 +0100 (CET), Anne Onime wrote:
> On 2/4/2011 12:23 PM, DasFox wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THANKS
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>>>> sensitive information.
>>>>
>>>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>>>
>>>> THANKS
>>>
>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>> portal.
>>>
>>> One man op? If you trust Steve Topletz, absolutely not. There is a
>>> team of highly skilled international compatriots meticulously
>>> compiling code, hawking your security! ;)
>>>
>>> A more appropriate question might be, "Is there but one Steve
>>> Topletz"?
>>>
>>> <http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1819746&postcount=558>
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t08BpL1TpxA/SEMTFQbbqpI/AAAAAAAAADg/rwLP2ALubW8/S220/team_steve_topletz.jpg>
>>>
>>> Hm. Can a wizard have dual identities? Harry Potter didn't. ;)
>>
>> The ONLY wizarding Topletz does is how he gets paying customers like
>> YOU...
>>
>> To bob his knob and pay for the right to bob...
>>
>> NOT HARD...since you are on your knees in FRONT of him...WORSHIPING...
> See you on BolehVPN!!
Mentioning BolehVPN on Usenet gets me free accounts...
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:10:57 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> On 2/4/2011 12:17 PM, heirophant wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>>
>>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>>
>>>>> THANKS
>>>>
>>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>>
>>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>>> sensitive information.
>>>
>>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>>
>>> THANKS
>>
>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>> portal.
>
> I would have to respectfully disagree with that.
>
> A commercial VPN is based on a trust model. Just like dealing with your bank.
>
> By contrast, Tor is built on a model of distrust.
On 2/4/2011 11:03 PM, heirophant wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:10:57 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2011 12:17 PM, heirophant wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:22:53 -0500, DasFox wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> READ...nothing to cure...the ****(e) is a SCAM...NO TOR IN IT...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheesh, noobs...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THANKS
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Xerobank a one man operation, Seriously. I 'm interested in
>>>>> privacy/anonymity services, but I have my doubts about every single
>>>>> provider. One that doesn't log at all ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Those services can be used as a convenient tool for collecting
>>>>> sensitive information.
>>>>
>>>> IF DOUBT...DON'T...Tech Truth is simple...
>>>>
>>>> THANKS
>>>
>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>> portal.
>>
>> I would have to respectfully disagree with that.
>>
>> A commercial VPN is based on a trust model. Just like dealing with your bank.
>>
>> By contrast, Tor is built on a model of distrust.
>
> Perhaps my term "portal" was a poor choice of words. I was relating it
> to the Xerobank xb Brower offering which acts as a portal to Tor.
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
> portal.
Wrong. Both those methods, Tor in particular, have built in mechanisms for
reducing or eliminating the need for trust in your node(s) operator(s). The
"layered encryption" scheme in general, as it's implemented by things like
Tor and Mixmaster, is in fact designed in a large way to make the question
of trust totally moot. You don't even HAVE to trust the people writing the
software... you can review/compile/etc yourself if you want.
If you're relying on "trust" when using proxies and thinking anonymity and
privacy, you're simply misusing proxies. VPN's and other single hops aren't
anonymous to begin with, and any trust you place in the operators/admins
thereof to anonymize you is pure unadulterated foolishness. And Tor would a
totally broken piece of crapware if you had to trust anyone/everyone in the
nodelist.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>> portal.
>
> Wrong.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>> portal.
>
> Wrong. Both those methods, Tor in particular,
KEEP UP...we were talking about *Xerobank as VPN to Tor*...TWO DAYS
AGO...
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:35:55 -0500, heirophant wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>
>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>> portal.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> I disagree. Obviously. :)
You also snipped my explanation, without offering a thought out counter
argument of your own.
Are you not so committed to your position that you'd give it due
consideration, or are you more unwilling to admit you've made a mistake?
Again, for your convenience...
.... Both those methods, Tor in particular, have built in mechanisms for
reducing or eliminating the need for trust in your node(s) operator(s). The
"layered encryption" scheme in general, as it's implemented by things like
Tor and Mixmaster, is in fact designed in a large way to make the question
of trust totally moot. You don't even HAVE to trust the people writing the
software... you can review/compile/etc yourself if you want.
If you're relying on "trust" when using proxies and thinking anonymity and
privacy, you're simply misusing proxies. VPN's and other single hops aren't
anonymous to begin with, and any trust you place in the operators/admins
thereof to anonymize you is pure unadulterated foolishness. And Tor would
[be] a totally broken piece of crapware if you had to trust anyone/everyone
in the nodelist.
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>
>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>> portal.
>>
>> Wrong. Both those methods, Tor in particular,
>
> KEEP UP...we were talking about *Xerobank as VPN to Tor*...TWO DAYS
> AGO...
Matters not a nit, if you have the ability to see beyond your own myopic
nose. The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
VPN.
I know it's a little complicated for you. If you need terms like "single
hop" or "proxy" better defined by all means ask. Likewise if you're simply
confused on the basics of anonymity and privacy, and their similarities and
differences. I'm usually willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got
some extra time this day.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:50:22 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:35:55 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>>> portal.
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>
>> I disagree. Obviously. :)
>
> You also snipped my explanation, without offering a thought out counter
> argument of your own.
Nothing to counter. You were concerned about blue elephants and the
rest of us were talking only of pink ones. ;) Might I suggest starting
a thread about blue elephants and perhaps I will join you there! ;0)
-- heremypants@hushmail.com http://heremypants.weebly.com/
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:56:42 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
> The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
> totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
> link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
> VPN.
Agree!
> I know it's a little complicated for you.
Oh no, I'm fine.
> If you need terms like "single hop" or "proxy" better defined by all
> means ask.
Please do!
> Likewise if you're simply confused on the basics of anonymity and
> privacy, and their similarities and differences. I'm usually
> willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got some extra time this
> day.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:02:09 -0500, heirophant wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:50:22 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:35:55 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>>>> portal.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>> I disagree. Obviously. :)
>>
>> You also snipped my explanation, without offering a thought out counter
>> argument of your own.
>
> Nothing to counter.
Baloney. You're nothing but a coward. Your statement was that trust was all
you have, when it comes to anonymity and privacy services and tools. I
called ******** and stated why... trust isn't all you have in a VPN
scenario, and as for Topr and remailers, they're SPECIFICALLY designed to
preclude the need to trust any node or nodes. Tha math of the thing says
so.
Now if you can counter these facts then by all means feel free. If not,
quit embarrassing yourself with further juvenile antics.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:57:59 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:02:09 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:50:22 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:35:55 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:44:48 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:17:59 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will have to parallel DasFox, regardless of the <fallacy?> of
>>>>>> logging, trust is all you have when using a VPN provider or a Tor
>>>>>> portal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. Obviously. :)
>>>
>>> You also snipped my explanation, without offering a thought out counter
>>> argument of your own.
>>
>> Nothing to counter.
>
> Baloney. You're nothing but a coward.
You meant to pain me, didn't you? That's not nice ;(
> Your statement was that trust was all you have, when it comes to
> anonymity and privacy services and tools. I called ******** and
> stated why... trust isn't all you have in a VPN scenario, and as
> for Topr and remailers, they're SPECIFICALLY designed to preclude
> the need to trust any node or nodes. Tha math of the thing says so.
Not my statement at all!
> Now if you can counter these facts then by all means feel free. If not,
> quit embarrassing yourself with further juvenile antics.
I just did.
Nothing to counter. You were concerned about blue elephants and the
rest of us were talking only of pink ones. ;) Might I suggest starting
a thread about blue elephants and perhaps I will join you there! ;0)
-- heremypants@hushmail.com http://heremypants.weebly.com/
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:03:51 -0500, heirophant wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:56:42 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>
>> The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
>> totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
>> link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
>> VPN.
>
> Agree!
>
>> I know it's a little complicated for you.
>
> Oh no, I'm fine.
>
>> If you need terms like "single hop" or "proxy" better defined by all
>> means ask.
>
> Please do!
>
>> Likewise if you're simply confused on the basics of anonymity and
>> privacy, and their similarities and differences. I'm usually
>> willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got some extra time this
>> day.
>
> I'm all eyes!
This Hito chap acts and sounds like Steve Topletz. All yakkity yak, no
action.
Onward.
On Jan. 19, wizardsupport directed me to log in to the DalPay site,
and file a ticket from there. After double checking my vpn set up, I
did that on Feb. 5. I haven't gotten any authentication failures for
weeks, so the problem now (as far as I can tell) is twofold: the
vpngate. address is not resolving to the correct IP addresses, and
when it does, the server at the particular IP address is down, or
unreachable. At least two entry nodes have been reachable, and have
authenticated, all along: TurboPrivacy Netherlands:
# dig vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com
....
vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 94.75.217.247
vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 94.75.217.246
....
And one IP address (174.142.36.113) for the three that resolve to
vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com:
# dig vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com
....
;; ANSWER SECTION: vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A
174.142.98.105 vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 174.142.36.145
vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 174.142.36.113
....
There may be other working Xerobank entry nodes out there; if anyone
has found others, please post on this thread. I sent all this info,
and more, in the follow up email on Feb. 5 to "The Wizard" Topletz.
I'll let post here when/
*if* I get a reply.
If the service remains at sub par, and there is no reply in the next
few days, I will start the process with Dalpay to refund the last
three months. If that happens, then I'll move on to another vpn
service. If not, I think it would be worth the effort making sure
Xerobank gets dinged with DalPay and other online payment services.
That's regrettable, because it makes it more difficult for them to
get paid, and it raises their transaction cost, but sometimes
necessary.
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:03:51 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:56:42 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
>>> totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
>>> link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
>>> VPN.
>>
>> Agree!
>>
>>> I know it's a little complicated for you.
>>
>> Oh no, I'm fine.
>>
>>> If you need terms like "single hop" or "proxy" better defined by all
>>> means ask.
>>
>> Please do!
>>
>>> Likewise if you're simply confused on the basics of anonymity and
>>> privacy, and their similarities and differences. I'm usually
>>> willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got some extra time this
>>> day.
>>
>> I'm all eyes!
>
> This Hito chap acts and sounds like Steve Topletz. All yakkity yak, no
> action.
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:03:51 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:56:42 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
>>> totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
>>> link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
>>> VPN.
>>
>> Agree!
>>
>>> I know it's a little complicated for you.
>>
>> Oh no, I'm fine.
>>
>>> If you need terms like "single hop" or "proxy" better defined by all
>>> means ask.
>>
>> Please do!
>>
>>> Likewise if you're simply confused on the basics of anonymity and
>>> privacy, and their similarities and differences. I'm usually
>>> willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got some extra time this
>>> day.
>>
>> I'm all eyes!
>
> This Hito chap acts and sounds like Steve Topletz. All yakkity yak, no
> action.
>
> Onward.
>
> On Jan. 19, wizardsupport directed me to log in to the DalPay site,
> and file a ticket from there. After double checking my vpn set up, I
> did that on Feb. 5. I haven't gotten any authentication failures for
> weeks, so the problem now (as far as I can tell) is twofold: the
> vpngate. address is not resolving to the correct IP addresses, and
> when it does, the server at the particular IP address is down, or
> unreachable. At least two entry nodes have been reachable, and have
> authenticated, all along: TurboPrivacy Netherlands:
>
> # dig vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com
>
> ...
>
> vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 94.75.217.247
> vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 94.75.217.246
>
> ...
>
> And one IP address (174.142.36.113) for the three that resolve to
> vpngate.unlimited-nl.xerobank.com:
>
> # dig vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com
>
> ...
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION: vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A
> 174.142.98.105 vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 174.142.36.145
> vpngate.ca-fr.xerobank.com. 600 IN A 174.142.36.113
>
> ...
>
> There may be other working Xerobank entry nodes out there; if anyone
> has found others, please post on this thread. I sent all this info,
> and more, in the follow up email on Feb. 5 to "The Wizard" Topletz.
> I'll let post here when/
> *if* I get a reply.
>
> If the service remains at sub par, and there is no reply in the next
> few days, I will start the process with Dalpay to refund the last
> three months. If that happens, then I'll move on to another vpn
> service. If not, I think it would be worth the effort making sure
> Xerobank gets dinged with DalPay and other online payment services.
> That's regrettable, because it makes it more difficult for them to
> get paid, and it raises their transaction cost, but sometimes
> necessary.
The other responses above cover this, but I don't think it's too
complicated. You shouldn't trust them or anyone else. Evaluate their
competency, and consider how exposed you will be if they are
compromised. Assume they will roll over on you, and anyone else, if
they get a subpoena, or other governmental pressure. Do they log? If
not, they don't have the information to give. Do you use a double hop
in two jurisdictions? Combine that with no logging in every
jurisdiction, and your exposure goes down further. What are the
chances that your traffic is being duplicated or snooped at the
server at the entry node? That requires a bit more research, so ask
them about it.
Well meaning incompetence, especially in execution, is fatal. One
troubling thing here is that Xerobank can't keep most of the domain
names for their entry nodes resolving to servers at working IP
addresses, and this has been the case for almost three months. You
want the IP addresses for both entry and exit nodes to change on
occasion, and you want the domain name to accurately reflect that.
The 16 possible routes could be just 4 or 5 vps servers, each having
4 or more IP addresses.
The service has to work, and work consistently, and there has to be
some seriousness in execution, not this erratic strangeness. The next
great thing is meaningless if you can't make the current thing work
well.
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:57:54 -0500, hierophant wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:33:16 -0500, Walker wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:03:51 -0500, heirophant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:56:42 -0500, Hito Shirezu wrote:
>>>
>>>> The fact that Tor may be some sort of "back end" at Xerobank is
>>>> totally irrelevant by virtue of the fact that you're adding a severely weak
>>>> link to the chain in the form of the single hop proxy that is Xerobank's
>>>> VPN.
>>>
>>> Agree!
>>>
>>>> I know it's a little complicated for you.
>>>
>>> Oh no, I'm fine.
>>>
>>>> If you need terms like "single hop" or "proxy" better defined by all
>>>> means ask.
>>>
>>> Please do!
>>>
>>>> Likewise if you're simply confused on the basics of anonymity and
>>>> privacy, and their similarities and differences. I'm usually
>>>> willing to hand hold noobs a bit, and I've got some extra time this
>>>> day.
>>>
>>> I'm all eyes!
>>
>> This Hito chap acts and sounds like Steve Topletz. All yakkity yak, no
>> action.
>
> Precisely ;)
It encourages me, and still amuses me, when the totally clue free get so
pummeled by the facts and logic I post, that they go off on these little
"pin the name on the force of nature" tirades and accuse me of being
everyone from Christ to Hitler.
You kids are a hoot I tell ya!
*chuckle*
Now do any of you children have anything of any substance to add to the
discussion, or is "you're Joe blow" your 'A' game?
> The other responses above cover this, but I don't think it's too
> complicated. You shouldn't trust them or anyone else. Evaluate their
> competency, and consider how exposed you will be if they are
> compromised. Assume they will roll over on you, and anyone else, if
> they get a subpoena, or other governmental pressure. Do they log? If
> not, they don't have the information to give. Do you use a double hop
Free Clue: The ALL log.
If they don't log they don't have the single most important tool available
to them when securing their systems and dealing with abuse. Anyone who's
run any sort of publicly facing service knows full well those logs are
absolutely essential.
And chaining single hops is a waste of time. It's all "Hackers" and
stuff... might have even occasionally worked back in the day when the
millisecond resolution world we call ""he net" was in its infancy, but in
THIS century all it does is layer on another collection of fools who can
molest your data. ESPECIALLY whwen you chose your proxies by way of clue
free criteria like "no logs " rhetoric and...
> in two jurisdictions? Combine that with no logging in every
Likewise the "jurisdiction" canard. Anyone who has done even a cursory
survey of international agreements and treaties, and actually examined the
so called "global economy" of it if you will, knows that a lot of the
places the totally clue free hold up as beacons of privacy and anonymity
are complete crappers that actually make Big Brother's job of laying hands
on your private information even EASIER than it would be had you simply
stayed home.
> Free Clue: The ALL log.
>
> If they don't log they don't have the single most important tool
> available to them when securing their systems and dealing with
> abuse. Anyone who's run any sort of publicly facing service
> knows full well those logs are absolutely essential.
>
Glad to see more people are understanding this fact. No logs is the
same as no security.
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