Hi!
I've got two notebooks connected to an AP which is connected to a
wired network which is connected to the internet. The thing is that
both notebooks work great together when they are browsing the internet
or using some Windows Share FROM THE WIRED LAN. BUT!
When either of them (the notebooks) tries to use a share from the
other, the Wireless network Goes Down and both have to reconnect to
the network.
Both can "download" files from the wired segment simultaneously with
no trouble.
So it only happens when Computers within the Wireless Segment share
between them. it's like the Air gets overloaded!.
On 17 mar, 00:44, "ifmusic" <ifmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> I've got two notebooks connected to an AP which is connected to a
> wired network which is connected to the internet. The thing is that
> both notebooks work great together when they are browsing the internet
> or using some Windows Share FROM THE WIRED LAN. BUT!
> When either of them (the notebooks) tries to use a share from the
> other, the Wireless network Goes Down and both have to reconnect to
> the network.
> Both can "download" files from the wired segment simultaneously with
> no trouble.
> So it only happens when Computers within the Wireless Segment share
> between them. it's like the Air gets overloaded!.
>
> any Help?
On 16 Mar 2007 20:44:09 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmusic@gmail.com> wrote in
<1174103049.760410.167070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>:
>I've got two notebooks connected to an AP which is connected to a
>wired network which is connected to the internet. The thing is that
>both notebooks work great together when they are browsing the internet
>or using some Windows Share FROM THE WIRED LAN. BUT!
>When either of them (the notebooks) tries to use a share from the
>other, the Wireless network Goes Down and both have to reconnect to
>the network.
What does "goes down" mean? Your _exact_ symptoms please.
>Both can "download" files from the wired segment simultaneously with
>no trouble.
>So it only happens when Computers within the Wireless Segment share
>between them. it's like the Air gets overloaded!.
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On 17 mar, 01:20, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2007 20:44:09 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmu...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1174103049.760410.167...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>:
> By "goes down" i mean that i see the same that i'd see when you shut down the Access point or
in a wired network when you physically unplug the cable.
You know the little icon in the taskbar with that ugly Red cross.
Thanks for your interest.
Rodrigo.
> >I've got two notebooks connected to an AP which is connected to a
> >wired network which is connected to the internet. The thing is that
> >both notebooks work great together when they are browsing the internet
> >or using some Windows Share FROM THE WIRED LAN. BUT!
> >When either of them (the notebooks) tries to use a share from the
> >other, the Wireless network Goes Down and both have to reconnect to
> >the network.
>
> What does "goes down" mean? Your _exact_ symptoms please.
>
> >Both can "download" files from the wired segment simultaneously with
> >no trouble.
> >So it only happens when Computers within the Wireless Segment share
> >between them. it's like the Air gets overloaded!.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
On 16 Mar 2007 21:25:42 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmusic@gmail.com> wrote in
<1174105542.409000.285990@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups .com>:
>On 17 mar, 01:20, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Mar 2007 20:44:09 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmu...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <1174103049.760410.167...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>:
>
> By "goes down" i mean that i see the same that i'd see when you shut down the Access point or
> in a wired network when you physically unplug the cable.
> You know the little icon in the taskbar with that ugly Red cross.
On both notebooks at the same time?
Did the access point crash?
Is there an error message in the access point log?
Does the access point have the latest firmware?
What are the makes and models of all the wireless hardware?
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On 17 mar, 02:24, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2007 21:25:42 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmu...@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1174105542.409000.285...@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >On 17 mar, 01:20, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Mar 2007 20:44:09 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmu...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> <1174103049.760410.167...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups .com>:
>
yes,both.
It doesn't look like it, but I guess
The thing with the AP is that it's not linksys or some known brand, i
cant even find their website!
And it does not Keep logs. Very sad.
> > By "goes down" i mean that i see the same that i'd see when you shut down the Access point or
> > in a wired network when you physically unplug the cable.
> > You know the little icon in the taskbar with that ugly Red cross.
>
> On both notebooks at the same time?
> Did the access point crash?
> Is there an error message in the access point log?
> Does the access point have the latest firmware?
> What are the makes and models of all the wireless hardware?
>
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> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
Ok. I've identified the AP using nmap and ethereal MAC address
discovery it turns out it's a "Edimax". The AP i bought has the Same
user manual and an almost identical UI for the Web Interfase. So i
looked up a 54gbits Wireless AP and luckly there was only one with new
firmwares. So i downloaded the zip file which contained a .Bin file. I
went to the web interfase, i selected the bin file and "OK" to the
"are you sure?" questions. It said that it may be "off" for a couple
of seconds, so i waited. The AP kept working, i still had perfect
connectivity, as if nothing happened but when i tried to get into my
Web based config It DIDNT WORK!. I know that the AP is still in the IP
i assigned to it (192.168.0.150) bacause nmap still recognizes the IP
and it says that the MAC belongs to a Edimax AP, but it also says that
there are no Ports open, then NO http service available!.
So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
it away!
On 17 Mar 2007 07:14:14 -0700, "ifmusic" <ifmusic@gmail.com> wrote in
<1174140854.624572.298720@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups .com>:
>Ok. I've identified the AP using nmap and ethereal MAC address
>discovery it turns out it's a "Edimax". The AP i bought has the Same
>user manual and an almost identical UI for the Web Interfase. So i
>looked up a 54gbits Wireless AP and luckly there was only one with new
>firmwares. So i downloaded the zip file which contained a .Bin file. I
>went to the web interfase, i selected the bin file and "OK" to the
>"are you sure?" questions. It said that it may be "off" for a couple
>of seconds, so i waited. The AP kept working, i still had perfect
>connectivity, as if nothing happened but when i tried to get into my
>Web based config It DIDNT WORK!. I know that the AP is still in the IP
>i assigned to it (192.168.0.150) bacause nmap still recognizes the IP
>and it says that the MAC belongs to a Edimax AP, but it also says that
>there are no Ports open, then NO http service available!.
>
>So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
>restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
>wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
>it away!
You may well have "bricked" it. As you've now learned, it's dangerous
to load firmware unless you're certain it's the correct firmware.
Edimax is cloned by a number of different brands (e.g., Hawking,
Planet), so you can't just assume that whatever Edimax firmware you find
will work.
You can start here <http://www.routertech.org/viewtopic.php?t=961> for
help, but I'd personally chalk it up as a learning experience, and get a
better wireless router (e.g., Buffalo WHR-HP-G54).
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ifmusic wrote:
> So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
> restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
> wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
> it away!
Try a "hard reset" by holding the reset button in for a full 30 seconds.
That has recovered *some* "bricked" Linksys units.
>So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
>restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
>wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
>it away!
You just installed some random firmware image? Not a good idea,
especially if you don't know what you're working with. Since you also
didn't bother to disclose any detail on your router, there's not much
we can do to help from here. Edimax resells several wireless routers.
If the web config interface isn't there after you power cycle and
reset the router, the built in DHCP server will probably assign an IP
address to your laptop. You can then use IPCONFIG to determine the
gateway IP address, which is your router. If you can't get past the
password, see the defaults at:
<http://www.phenoelit.de/dpl/dpl.html>
Also, spend some time identifying what you have.
> So i looked up a 54gbits Wireless AP and luckly there was only one
> with new firmwares.
Did you find your *specific* access point when you went looking for
firmware? It is possible that you have an access point that be updated but
no updated software exists.
When you found the firmware, did you check the documentation included with
it to see if it a) was for your access point and b) might resolve the issue
you are experiencing?
When you did the actual firmware flash, did you do it over a wired or
wireless connection? (Never *ever* update router/AP firmware over a wireless
connection. Yes, it can be an easy mistake to make. Fortunately, the one
time I slipped up, the router ignored my actions.)
At this point you are probably looking at a router that has had its
operating programs corrupted or removed entirely. I'd start with hoping that
a hard reset (usually triggered by holding down the reset button) would
clear things up enough to restore normal operation. If that doesn't solve
the problem, you've got a "bricked" router/AP on your hands.
Unbricking your router and downloading valid firmware to it could be
anywhere from easy to impossible. Some routers will enter a mode during
power-up that lets you download new firmware using TFTP. Others have a
so-called JTAG connector onboard that can be populated and used to download
new firmware. There are other approaches as well, but before any of them
will work, you must have valid firmware to give the unit. If you can't get
ahold of a valid firmware file, you will have to somehow get the firmware
from a working unit that is the same as yours.
I don't want to sound harsh, but it sounds like you went into this without
fully understanding the consequences of what you were doing and now things
are much worse than they were before. Never, ever download firmware into any
device if you aren't sure it is the right firmware or don't have a good
reason to believe that the new firmware will solve your problem!
Should you get your router going again, there are other things to try in
solving your problem. Check to be sure that you're on a clear channel and
look for defective equipment in your network. Perhaps your router or
computers aren't very good at handling large data transfers over wireless?
For data transfers from wireless-equipped computer to wireless-equipped
computer, the router/AP won't be doing much. Data transfer between a
wireless and wired computer can require buffering of some kind in the
router.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:58:24 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
wrote in <AeUKh.13704$Jl.8731@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>ifmusic wrote:
>> So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
>> restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
>> wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
>> it away!
>
>Try a "hard reset" by holding the reset button in for a full 30 seconds.
>That has recovered *some* "bricked" Linksys units.
It's not a Linksys.
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John Navas wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:58:24 GMT, DTC <no_spam@move_along_folks.foob>
> wrote in <AeUKh.13704$Jl.8731@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>:
>
>> ifmusic wrote:
>>> So, even if i still have the prior problem Now i'm afraid that if i
>>> restart the AP (with the little button i have to press for 5 secs) i
>>> wont be able to configure it again, which means that i have to throw
>>> it away!
>> Try a "hard reset" by holding the reset button in for a full 30 seconds.
>> That has recovered *some* "bricked" Linksys units.
>
> It's not a Linksys.
You may have misunderstood me. I was suggesting a "hard reset" that might
work for his brand of router as it can also work for the Linksys brands.
I do understand that i messed things up. I don't know why i did it.
It's true not only i did not know the model but I had no reasons to
believe that the upgrade would solve my transfer issues. I don't know
i guess i wasn't thinking quite clearly. But All your inputs were
useful and even if i cant solve this i did learn.
I'm still using the AP, haven't restarted it, i'm afraid after it, it
could get unusable forever.
Is it a Access Point issue? 
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