I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to the
access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
packets are lost.
When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after a
few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2 installed).
Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong signal).
However no data is received anymore.
I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
wireless networks around me.
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"Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to
>the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after
> a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>
> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
> point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
> currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
> wireless networks around me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Boris
>
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:25:14 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
<4rsgnpFspfclU1@mid.individual.net>:
>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to the
>access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
>When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
>installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after a
>few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2 installed).
>Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong signal).
>However no data is received anymore.
>
>I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
>point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
>currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
>wireless networks around me.
Try it with *all* security (WPA, MAC filtering, etc.) disabled. Make
sure SSID broadcast is enabled, and is a *unique* value. Best to start
with the access point reset to factory default settings, with just the
SSID changed.
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
John Navas wrote:
> [...]
> Try it with *all* security (WPA, MAC filtering, etc.) disabled. Make
> sure SSID broadcast is enabled, and is a *unique* value. Best to
> start with the access point reset to factory default settings, with
> just the SSID changed.
I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is broadcast. The
SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP addresses. Again only
one of the two connected laptops could actually use the Internet.
There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other laptop
can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote configuring).
However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same time is not possible.
Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet provider? The
access point itself has been patched to the latest firmware.
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
Boris wrote:
> [...] I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is
> broadcast. The SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP
> addresses. Again only one of the two connected laptops could actually
> use the Internet.
> There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
> themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other
> laptop can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote
> configuring). However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same
> time is not possible.
> Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet
> provider? The access point itself has been patched to the latest
> firmware.
I forgot to add that I changed the channel from 10 to 1 for testing
purposes. However I couldn't find then the wireless network anymore - it
didn't show up in WZC. I had to connect to the access point with an Ethernet
cable to change the channel again as the network had completely disappeared.
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:53:19 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
<4ruvn0Ft2uqpU1@mid.individual.net>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> [...]
>> Try it with *all* security (WPA, MAC filtering, etc.) disabled. Make
>> sure SSID broadcast is enabled, and is a *unique* value. Best to
>> start with the access point reset to factory default settings, with
>> just the SSID changed.
>
>I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is broadcast. The
>SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP addresses. Again only
>one of the two connected laptops could actually use the Internet.
>
>There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
>themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other laptop
>can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote configuring).
>However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same time is not possible.
>
>Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet provider? The
>access point itself has been patched to the latest firmware.
Do the two machines have different IP addresses?
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:58:31 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
<4rv00oFsp715U1@mid.individual.net>:
>Boris wrote:
>> [...] I switched off all security functions and made sure SSID is
>> broadcast. The SSID is unique, too. I also use DHCP and no static IP
>> addresses. Again only one of the two connected laptops could actually
>> use the Internet.
>> There doesn't seem to be any problem with the wireless connections
>> themselves. While one laptop is used to browse the Internet the other
>> laptop can talk to the webserver in the access point (for remote
>> configuring). However both laptops browsing the Internet at the same
>> time is not possible.
>> Could this be a problem caused by the router and/or Internet
>> provider? The access point itself has been patched to the latest
>> firmware.
>
>I forgot to add that I changed the channel from 10 to 1 for testing
>purposes. However I couldn't find then the wireless network anymore - it
>didn't show up in WZC. I had to connect to the access point with an Ethernet
>cable to change the channel again as the network had completely disappeared.
Bad sign. Suggests strong interference or defective hardware.
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
What is the IP address of your Laptop and the subnet mask? To me it sounds
as if your WG602 is not configured correctly, or it's DHCP server has been
disabled. I suggest posting the details of the laptop's IP addresses and
subnet mask both when connected to the WG602 and when the WG602 is removed
from the network. You may also want to check that the two laptops have
different MAC addresses, there's a very slim chance that for some reason
they might have the same address.
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> Hmm it sounds to me like you are using static addressing, and have
> assigned both laptops the same IP address.
>
> Wireless - Basic Configuration - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Config.html
> Wireless - Basic Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html
> My New Wireless does not work - http://www.ezlan.net/wireless.html
> http://www.ezlan.net/#wireless
> http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...ilesharing.htm
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> "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this
>>access point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of
>>seconds the first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless
>>connection to the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data
>>but does not receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the
>>gateway all packets are lost.
>>
>> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
>> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems
>> after a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
>> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
>> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>>
>> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an
>> access point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the
>> network is currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a
>> few other wireless networks around me.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Boris
>>
>
>
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
Hi
Access Point was added to which device?
Do you have a Router?
Did you configure the Access Point so that there would be only one DHCP
active?
Is the Access Point core subnet the same as what ever is doing the Routing?
Jack (MVP-Networking).
"Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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>I added a Netgear WG602 wireless access point to my home network today.
>Everything works fine as long as I'm the only one connecting to this access
>point. When a second laptop is started though after a couple of seconds the
>first laptop is not online any more. Actually the wireless connection to
>the access point still exists. The laptop keeps sending data but does not
>receive anything (or nearly anything). When I try to ping the gateway all
>packets are lost.
>
> When I repair the connection (the first laptop has Windows XP Pro. SP2
> installed) everything works again. However you see the same problems after
> a few seconds on the other laptop (which has Windows XP Home SP2
> installed). Again Windows says everything's fine (there is even a strong
> signal). However no data is received anymore.
>
> I would appreciate any hints how to get two laptops to work with an access
> point at the same time. I don't know if it's important but the network is
> currently WPA/TPK encrypted and uses channel 10. There are a few other
> wireless networks around me.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Boris
>
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
David Hettel wrote:
> What is the IP address of your Laptop and the subnet mask? To me it
> sounds as if your WG602 is not configured correctly, or it's DHCP
> server has been disabled. I suggest posting the details of the
> laptop's IP addresses and subnet mask both when connected to the
> WG602 and when the WG602 is removed from the network. You may also
> want to check that the two laptops have different MAC addresses,
> there's a very slim chance that for some reason they might have the
> same address.
Thanks for all your replies so far! Here are some more details to track down
this problem:
* DHCP is enabled.
* The two laptops have differenct MAC addresses.
* The access point is connected with an Ethernet cable to a ADSL modem -
actually a set top box. See http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html. This set top box
isn't mine and wasn't configured by me. I just plugged in the access point
to the port called "network" and all worked until I started a second laptop.
* The IP address of laptop #1 is 89.168.23.181 currently. Subnet mask:
255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.23.254
* The IP address of laptop #2 is 89.168.24.165 currently. Subnet mask:
255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.31.254
* The IP addresses of the DHCP and DNS servers are the same.
What I don't understand is why the IP address of the gateway is not the
same. Could this be a problem?
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
Boris wrote:
> [...] * DHCP is enabled.
> * The two laptops have differenct MAC addresses.
> * The access point is connected with an Ethernet cable to a ADSL
> modem - actually a set top box. See
> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html. This set top
> box isn't mine and wasn't configured by me. I just plugged in the
> access point to the port called "network" and all worked until I
> started a second laptop. * The IP address of laptop #1 is
> 89.168.23.181 currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway:
> 89.168.23.254 * The IP address of laptop #2 is 89.168.24.165
> currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.31.254
> * The IP addresses of the DHCP and DNS servers are the same.
>
> What I don't understand is why the IP address of the gateway is not
> the same. Could this be a problem?
After browsing the website of HomeChoice which seems to be the provider here
where I am I found this on http://www.homechoice.co.uk/faq/IfIg...computer.html:
"You can connect up to three desktop computers without using wires."
Can someone explain what that means? Where does this limit come from? Can
they configure something on their end that you can't connect more than three
desktop computers? If there is such a limit and as I simply plugged in my
own access point - is it possible that their connection is configured for
one desktop computer by default (the website says something that *they* can
provide wireless access; maybe they change the limit then once they can
charge money for it)?
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
From what you've posted, it appears to me that your DHCP server is NOT
working in the Netgear WG602 box. You should be getting an address in the
192.168.xxx.xxx range generally 192.168.0.xxx and the netgear would be at
192.168.0.1. What appears to be happening is you're pulling and address from
the ADSL modem. And if that is indeed what is happening then yes the network
can limit how many computers can connect.
Sorry I just did a search on you Netgear WG602 it is a Wireless access
point, not a wireless router, that means the netgear doesn't have a DHCP
server in it. That it is not the correct thing for your needs. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Wire...nts/WG602.aspx I
should have done that first. You don't have the hardware that you need. What
you need/want is something along the lines of the KWGR614 wireless router.
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"Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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> Boris wrote:
>> [...] * DHCP is enabled.
>> * The two laptops have differenct MAC addresses.
>> * The access point is connected with an Ethernet cable to a ADSL
>> modem - actually a set top box. See
>> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html. This set top
>> box isn't mine and wasn't configured by me. I just plugged in the
>> access point to the port called "network" and all worked until I
>> started a second laptop. * The IP address of laptop #1 is
>> 89.168.23.181 currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway:
>> 89.168.23.254 * The IP address of laptop #2 is 89.168.24.165
>> currently. Subnet mask: 255.255.248.0. Gateway: 89.168.31.254
>> * The IP addresses of the DHCP and DNS servers are the same.
>>
>> What I don't understand is why the IP address of the gateway is not
>> the same. Could this be a problem?
>
> After browsing the website of HomeChoice which seems to be the provider
> here where I am I found this on
> http://www.homechoice.co.uk/faq/IfIg...computer.html:
> "You can connect up to three desktop computers without using wires."
>
> Can someone explain what that means? Where does this limit come from? Can
> they configure something on their end that you can't connect more than
> three desktop computers? If there is such a limit and as I simply plugged
> in my own access point - is it possible that their connection is
> configured for one desktop computer by default (the website says something
> that *they* can provide wireless access; maybe they change the limit then
> once they can charge money for it)?
>
> Boris
>
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
David Hettel wrote:
> From what you've posted, it appears to me that your DHCP server is NOT
> working in the Netgear WG602 box. You should be getting an address in
> the 192.168.xxx.xxx range generally 192.168.0.xxx and the netgear
> would be at 192.168.0.1. What appears to be happening is you're
> pulling and address from the ADSL modem. And if that is indeed what is
> happening then yes the
> network can limit how many computers can connect.
>
> Sorry I just did a search on you Netgear WG602 it is a Wireless access
> point, not a wireless router, that means the netgear doesn't have a
> DHCP server in it. That it is not the correct thing for your needs.
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Wire...nts/WG602.aspx
> I should have done that first. You don't have the hardware that you
> need. What you need/want is something along the lines of the KWGR614
> wireless
> router.
I just looked up the documentation to be sure: You are right, the WG602 has
DHCP *client* support. However I actually don't care as the laptops do get
different IP addresses? That said everything should still work fine no
matter from which DHCP server the IP addresses come from? From what I
understand now the restriction is an articifial one coming from the
provider?
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it would
appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As it is now your
network appears to your ISP as three devices, the WG602 taking one IP
address and your two laptops each with a different IP address. Your ISP is
providing you with three real, public IP address. Those IP address take/cost
money there is only a limited number of them available. Think of them as
store fronts on the main street downtown. There are only so many stores on
the main street. After a while you run out of street that is still downtown.
If you want a store, you're going to need to either buy it or rent it.
Because you buy or rent one, it doesn't mean you get the ones on either side
of it for free too.
So yes you could call your ISP up and tell them what you need to do, you
have X number of computers plus one access point that you need IP address
for and I'm sure they can provide a package that will fit your needs. But
they are going to charge you for the IP address you are using. Or you could
get a wireless router, that has both a DHCP client and a server, that would
use only one IP address, and provide the ability to connect many computers
to the internet all at the same time. The choice is yours. Right now your
equipment doesn't support what you want to do. I'm sorry.
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"Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in message
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> David Hettel wrote:
>> From what you've posted, it appears to me that your DHCP server is NOT
>> working in the Netgear WG602 box. You should be getting an address in
>> the 192.168.xxx.xxx range generally 192.168.0.xxx and the netgear
>> would be at 192.168.0.1. What appears to be happening is you're
>> pulling and address from the ADSL modem. And if that is indeed what is
>> happening then yes the
>> network can limit how many computers can connect.
>>
>> Sorry I just did a search on you Netgear WG602 it is a Wireless access
>> point, not a wireless router, that means the netgear doesn't have a
>> DHCP server in it. That it is not the correct thing for your needs.
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Wire...nts/WG602.aspx
>> I should have done that first. You don't have the hardware that you
>> need. What you need/want is something along the lines of the KWGR614
>> wireless
>> router.
>
> I just looked up the documentation to be sure: You are right, the WG602
> has DHCP *client* support. However I actually don't care as the laptops do
> get different IP addresses? That said everything should still work fine no
> matter from which DHCP server the IP addresses come from? From what I
> understand now the restriction is an articifial one coming from the
> provider?
>
> Boris
>
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
David Hettel wrote:
> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
> public IP address. Those IP address take/cost money there is only a
> limited number of them available. Think of them as store fronts on
> the main street downtown. There are only so many stores on the main
> street. After a while you run out of street that is still downtown.
> If you want a store, you're going to need to either buy it or rent
> it. Because you buy or rent one, it doesn't mean you get the ones on
> either side of it for free too.
Thanks for your explanations! What I wonder though is what kind of set top
box HomeChoice provides. HomeChoice seems to be the provider here (I'm
really new here where I am and still try to figure out the technical
environment), and the set top box they provide is this: http://www.homechoice.co.uk/overview/set_top_box.html
Unfortunately there is no technical data about this set top box. I wonder if
it has a built-in router which can be activated somehow. Has anyone any clue
where this set top box comes from (there is only a picture at the webpage
without any name or link to the vendor)?
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
<4s1lbtFtmpn0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>David Hettel wrote:
>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>
>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router. The IP
assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
Hi
Hmm... While Access Points do not Do NAT.
Most Access Points (AP) do have DHCP server (including the one discussed
here the WG602).
In a peer to peer Network with No Internet connection there is No need for a
Router, and thus No credible DHCP, so the AP has one to assign an IP to the
Wireless client.
Jack (MVP-Networking).
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> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
> <4s1lbtFtmpn0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>David Hettel wrote:
>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>
>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>
> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router. The IP
> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.
>
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:08:51 -0500, "Jack \(MVP-Networking\)."
<Jack@discussiongroup.com> wrote in
<uHbcluRCHHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>:
>Hi
>Hmm... While Access Points do not Do NAT.
>Most Access Points (AP) do have DHCP server (including the one discussed
>here the WG602).
Not true -- the WG602, like other APs, has a DHCP _client_, not a DHCP
_server_. The DHCP client is used to set the IP address of the web
management interface for some other device acting as a DHCP server.
>In a peer to peer Network with No Internet connection there is No need for a
>Router, and thus No credible DHCP, so the AP has one to assign an IP to the
>Wireless client.
Again, not true -- the AP is just a bridge, and so has no role in IP
assignment, like any other network bridge. IP assignment is typically
done by a DHCP server on the network or manually.
>Jack (MVP-Networking).
Perhaps you should drop the credential claim.
>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:lp9nl21mskibuv8ksf2vs235l0gpbp11kf@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
>> <4s1lbtFtmpn0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>>David Hettel wrote:
>>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>>
>>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>>
>> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router. The IP
>> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.
--
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:45:48 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in
<cdgnl2d186p040u1quo0rrjgqhhja71o49@4ax.com>:
>On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:08:51 -0500, "Jack \(MVP-Networking\)."
><Jack@discussiongroup.com> wrote in
><uHbcluRCHHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>:
>
>>Hi
>>Hmm... While Access Points do not Do NAT.
>>Most Access Points (AP) do have DHCP server (including the one discussed
>>here the WG602).
>
>Not true -- the WG602, like other APs, has a DHCP _client_, not a DHCP
>_server_. The DHCP client is used to set the IP address of the web
>management interface for some other device acting as a DHCP server.
Oops -- typo. That last line should have been:
management interface from some other device acting as a DHCP server.
>>In a peer to peer Network with No Internet connection there is No need for a
>>Router, and thus No credible DHCP, so the AP has one to assign an IP to the
>>Wireless client.
>
>Again, not true -- the AP is just a bridge, and so has no role in IP
>assignment, like any other network bridge. IP assignment is typically
>done by a DHCP server on the network or manually.
>
>>Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
>Perhaps you should drop the credential claim.
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>news:lp9nl21mskibuv8ksf2vs235l0gpbp11kf@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:15:08 -0000, "Boris" <boris@gtemail.net> wrote in
>>> <4s1lbtFtmpn0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>>David Hettel wrote:
>>>>> If your WG602 had a DHCP server, and the NAT that goes with that it
>>>>> would appear to your ISP as one device taking up one IP address. As
>>>>> it is now your network appears to your ISP as three devices, the
>>>>> WG602 taking one IP address and your two laptops each with a
>>>>> different IP address. Your ISP is providing you with three real,
>>>>
>>>>Is the access point itself really using another IP address? I wonder as I
>>>>should see then its IP address when I trace the gateway's IP address?
>>>
>>> No, since the access point is just a bridge, not a router. The IP
>>> assigned to the AP is used only for the web management interface.
--
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Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
John Navas wrote:
> John Navas wrote:
>
> > Jack \(MVP-Networking\) wrote:
> >>Hmm... While Access Points do not Do NAT. Most Access Points (AP) do
> >>have DHCP server (including the one discussed here the WG602).
> >
> >Not true -- the WG602, like other APs, has a DHCP _client_, not a DHCP
> >_server_. The DHCP client is used to set the IP address of the web
> >management interface for some other device acting as a DHCP server.
>
> Oops -- typo. That last line should have been:
>
> management interface from some other device acting as a DHCP server.
>
> >>In a peer to peer Network with No Internet connection there is No need
> >>for a Router, and thus No credible DHCP, so the AP has one to assign an
> >>IP to the Wireless client.
> >
> >Again, not true -- the AP is just a bridge, and so has no role in IP
> >assignment, like any other network bridge. IP assignment is typically
> >done by a DHCP server on the network or manually.
Re: Access point: Second laptop kicks first one out
On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:33:16 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1howhuy.11fo8zrchnujyN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> >Again, not true -- the AP is just a bridge, and so has no role in IP
>> >assignment, like any other network bridge. IP assignment is typically
>> >done by a DHCP server on the network or manually.
>
>Some AP's do indeed have a DHCP server
>
>http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=326
It's disabled by default.
>: The DWL-G700AP also includes an embedded DHCP server that can
>: automatically assign IP addresses to wireless network clients.
>
>However, there is no mention of a DHCP server on the data sheet for the
>WG602:
>
>http://www.netgear.com/upload/produc...s_ds_wg602.pdf
No surprise, since a DHCP server makes no real sense in a bridge.
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