My computer has wireless internet network connections, about 8 different
choices to be exact. They are all secured network, and that is the problem.
I can't use any of them, for I am told I need to get the password or phrase
key from the network provided. What network provided? I have no way of
access any of this information, no matter what I try. What's the point of
having wireless connections when I can't even use them. Obviously, I must be
doing something wrong.
On 4/07/2011 11:03 AM, John Sisker wrote:
> My computer has wireless internet network connections, about 8 different
> choices to be exact. They are all secured network, and that is the
> problem. I can't use any of them, for I am told I need to get the
> password or phrase key from the network provided. What network provided?
> I have no way of access any of this information, no matter what I try.
> What's the point of having wireless connections when I can't even use
> them. Obviously, I must be doing something wrong.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John
Get your own
breaking into another's without permission is illegal and will end badly
John Sisker wrote:
> My computer has wireless internet network connections, about 8 different
> choices to be exact. They are all secured network, and that is the
> problem. I can't use any of them, for I am told I need to get the
> password or phrase key from the network provided. What network provided?
> I have no way of access any of this information, no matter what I try.
> What's the point of having wireless connections when I can't even use
> them. Obviously, I must be doing something wrong.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John
If you set up one of those routers you should have the password and that
is the one you should be using.
If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop? If I need to pay for
it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question. How do I
access such information, when there is not connections or actual website
connection or information provided?
On 4/07/2011 11:20 AM, John Sisker wrote:
> If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop? If I need to pay
> for it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question.
> How do I access such information, when there is not connections or
> actual website connection or information provided?
>
> John
google it , I aint doing your home work for you
"atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:iur4mo$pcf$5@dont-email.me...
> On 4/07/2011 11:20 AM, John Sisker wrote:
>> If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop? If I need to pay
>> for it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question.
>> How do I access such information, when there is not connections or
>> actual website connection or information provided?
>>
>> John
> google it , I aint doing your home work for you
>
> --
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
On 4/07/2011 11:28 AM, John Sisker wrote:
> "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iur4mo$pcf$5@dont-email.me...
>> On 4/07/2011 11:20 AM, John Sisker wrote:
>>> If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop? If I need to pay
>>> for it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question.
>>> How do I access such information, when there is not connections or
>>> actual website connection or information provided?
>>>
>>> John
>> google it , I aint doing your home work for you
>>
>> --
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>
>
> Been there, done that... they don't know either.
Well start with how to google for a clue and stop trolling
In message <BMadnbcRe-jRiIzTnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@earthlink.com> someone
claiming to be "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> typed:
>If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop?
Using wireless connections is generally legal, if you have the network
operator's permission.
>If I need to pay for
>it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question. How do I
>access such information, when there is not connections or actual website
>connection or information provided?
The operator of the network will provide whatever information is
necessary to authorized users. Do you have a network you're authorized
to use?
>If it is illegal, then why is it provided on my laptop? If I need to pay for
>it, no problem. But that brings me back to the original question. How do I
>access such information, when there is not connections or actual website
>connection or information provided?
There are many things that are provided by others, which is not
available for your use. For example, the state builds roads, but does
not provide you with an automobile. If you want to drive somewhere,
you buy or rent your own vehicle, and not borrow someone elses
(without permission).
The assumption is that you'll get your own wireless router, which is
connected to your own DSL line or cable modem. You then get to set
your own WPA encryption password, in order to keep unwanted visitors
from using your connection.
The proceedure is simple. You find a local ISP (internet service
provider) and arrange for service. Presumably, it will be DSL, cable,
satellite, WiMax, or Cellular broadband data service:
<http://www.theispguide.com>
<http://www.thelist.com>
<http://www.ispcomparison.net>
Depending on the service, a DSL/cable/satellite modem will be either
provided, sold, or rented with the service. You then go to your local
retailer and purchase a wireless router. This will allow you to
connect more than one computah to your broadband connection, using
CAT5 wire or via Wi-Fi wireless.
According to your Usenet News header, you're connecting via Earthlink,
which suggests that you already have ISP service. You might want to
ask them for additional assistance.
In article <g9KdnVhRxe37jIzTnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
"John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote:
> Any suggestions?
Get a clue?
Try using "admin" as a password. I bet one of those 8 connections will
let you in ...
--
Why do we say Chicken of the Sea but not Tuna of the Farm?
-- Thomas Pynchon
John Sisker wrote:
> My computer has wireless internet network connections, about 8 different
> choices to be exact. They are all secured network, and that is the
> problem. I can't use any of them, for I am told I need to get the
> password or phrase key from the network provided. What network provided?
> I have no way of access any of this information, no matter what I try.
> What's the point of having wireless connections when I can't even use
> them. Obviously, I must be doing something wrong.
>
> Any suggestions?
You're not doing *anything* wrong.
Those networks visible on your computer are secured to keep unauthorized
users-like you-off them. If you want to use an Internet connection
without paying for it, you'll need to find a convenient location where
such a connection is offered and take your laptop there. If you're
located in the USA, your local public library would probably be your
best bet. The vast majority of libraries now offer free Wi-Fi for
anyone who comes in, cardholder or not. Check the library's website for
particulars. All McDonald's restaurants and Starbucks coffeeshops in
the USA that offer Wi-Fi are now also free, but you should, of course,
at least feel obligated to buy something while you're there.
You should be able to find free Wi-Fi venues near you at this site: www.wififreespot.com
On 7/3/2011 9:03 PM, John Sisker wrote:
> My computer has wireless internet network connections, about 8 different
> choices to be exact. They are all secured network, and that is the
> problem. I can't use any of them, for I am told I need to get the
> password or phrase key from the network provided. What network provided?
> I have no way of access any of this information, no matter what I try.
> What's the point of having wireless connections when I can't even use
> them. Obviously, I must be doing something wrong.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John
I have a similar problem. There are locked cars parked out on the street
by my house that don't belong to me and I am unable to use them because
I have neither the keys or the permission of the owners.
On Jul 4, 4:16*am, Warren Oates <warren.oa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <g9KdnVhRxe37jIzTnZ2dnUVZ_gadn...@earthlink.com> ,
> *"John Sisker" <jsis...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions?
>
> Get a clue?
>
> Try using "admin" as a password. I bet one of those 8 connections will
> let you in ...
> --
> Why do we say Chicken of the Sea but not Tuna of the Farm?
> * -- Thomas Pynchon
Admin would probably get you into 99% of the routers if you were on
their wired network, like in their house and logged into the router.
I think WPA forces you to have a much more secure password on the
wireless. Eight digits at least IIRC.
The original poster might sound like a troll, but trust me, there are
people who when they get a notebook, see all these WAPs and don't
understand they are not for public use. When a friend got her first
macbook with wifi, it was connecting to open wifi with virtually no
user input.
Open wifi detected. Click here to connect to "fbi_honeypot".
In article
<9c69325d-5c5b-42a6-8894-ad7d96f9d48d@q29g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
"miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> wrote:
> Admin would probably get you into 99% of the routers if you were on
> their wired network, like in their house and logged into the router.
> I think WPA forces you to have a much more secure password on the
> wireless. Eight digits at least IIRC.
I don't know where the OP lives; here in Ontario, the largest ISP is
Sympatico, and they ship wireless routers with "admin" and "admin" as
default username and passphrase, all nicely secured with WEP. They also
have convenient default SSIDs of BELLxxx so you know which ones they are.
--
Why do we say Chicken of the Sea but not Tuna of the Farm?
-- Thomas Pynchon
>In article
><9c69325d-5c5b-42a6-8894-ad7d96f9d48d@q29g2000prj.googlegroups.com>,
> "miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> wrote:
>
>> Admin would probably get you into 99% of the routers if you were on
>> their wired network, like in their house and logged into the router.
>> I think WPA forces you to have a much more secure password on the
>> wireless. Eight digits at least IIRC.
>
>I don't know where the OP lives; here in Ontario, the largest ISP is
>Sympatico, and they ship wireless routers with "admin" and "admin" as
>default username and passphrase, all nicely secured with WEP. They also
>have convenient default SSIDs of BELLxxx so you know which ones they are.
You're talking about how to log into the router while everyone else is
talking about how to connect to the wireless network. The connection
has to happen successfully before there's any chance of logging into
the router. The alternative, as suggested above, is to bypass the
wireless connection step and use a wired connection. Then, and only
then, is it possible to get a login prompt from the router.
In other words, even though it shows up automatically on my computer, it is
not really an invitation for free access; one must pay for this access.
Unfortunately, none seem to provide any way at all to get in touch with
them, in order to get more information, even if they wanted to sign up for a
fee.
In article <GO6dnfH9bNRheo_TnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
"John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote:
> In other words, even though it shows up automatically on my computer, it is
> not really an invitation for free access; one must pay for this access.
> Unfortunately, none seem to provide any way at all to get in touch with
> them, in order to get more information, even if they wanted to sign up for a
> fee.
That's not how it works. People have bought internet access from an ISP
and are using a wireless router to spread it through their homes (or
businesses); they don't want to sign anyone up to share it, even for a
fee. I know I don't. You can get free access at your public library or
local cafe.
--
Why do we say Chicken of the Sea but not Tuna of the Farm?
-- Thomas Pynchon
I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
computer, when they don't really have access to it?
"Warren Oates" <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e12fe62$0$10793$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraw eb.com...
> In article <GO6dnfH9bNRheo_TnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
> "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> In other words, even though it shows up automatically on my computer, it
>> is
>> not really an invitation for free access; one must pay for this access.
>> Unfortunately, none seem to provide any way at all to get in touch with
>> them, in order to get more information, even if they wanted to sign up
>> for a
>> fee.
>
> That's not how it works. People have bought internet access from an ISP
> and are using a wireless router to spread it through their homes (or
> businesses); they don't want to sign anyone up to share it, even for a
> fee. I know I don't. You can get free access at your public library or
> local cafe.
> --
> Why do we say Chicken of the Sea but not Tuna of the Farm?
> -- Thomas Pynchon
>I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
>advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
>computer, when they don't really have access to it?
Please show me any advertisement that offers free Wi-Fi internet
access along with the purchase of a computah.
The implication of such advertising is that you would use the Wi-Fi
adapter in your unspecified model computer to connect to a wireless
access point or router that you own and have paid for, not someone
elses. It's like the automobile dealer offering a free drivers
license, liability insurance, free registration, free toll road fees,
and free maintenance along with the purchase of a vehicle. It doesn't
happen. You, and only you, are responsible for using the vehicle (and
the Wi-Fi device) in a legal and responsible manner. Presumably, that
comes from getting sufficient information on how it work BEFORE
spending the money.
It's true that many people have no interest in having you use their
Wi-Fi router without permission. They also make no effect to identify
themselves so that you can find them. They also apply encryption to
prevent anyone else from using their system. This should be a clue
that you're not welcome.
Most of my routers have the SSID set to the address of the wireless
router. However, that's not an invitation. It's there to help deal
with interference issues. However, if you can find them, talking
nicely with the owner might result in an arrangement, where you use
their wireless at perhaps odd hours or help pay for their broadband
connection. Just ask.
As I previously mentioned, your header shows that you're connecting
via Earthlink. You already have an ISP. You should ask them for
help.
Hmm.... you're not exactly a beginner. What inspired this line of
questioning? Did you just buy a new computah? With all your
experience since 1998, I would think you would have had more of a clue
about how broadband and Wi-Fi operates:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=G2_IRhMAAACMr0b4DmJmVVy9xNe 55XFbWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww>
>The people on this
>group generally don't want you to have access and especially
>FREE access to wifi connections. They make money off of
>charging you for those connections and are jealous of anyone
>who gets them for free.
I love a good conspiracy theory. Actually, I like writing them, but
don't really like reading bad conspiracy theories. I no longer have
an interest in an ISP that charges for Wi-Fi access. The one's that
I'm currently involved with offer free Wi-Fi through their retail
vendors. However, they also offer for pay mesh network and for pay
licensed fat pipe for big commercial accounts. I'm not jealous of
anyone getting free internet. However, I consider them little better
than thieves. Most of my rants are to try change their ways and keep
them out of trouble.
>Also they are generally old fart
>constipated old men who don't want you to get anything for
>free.
I'm 63. That's good for quite a bit of experience. I wasn't aware
that was a problem. However, you're welcome to repeat my mistakes if
you must.
>They prefer that you pay them for your connection. That
>way they know who you are and can profile your net activities
>against your known identity. Get it?
Oh yeah, the privacy thing. Well, if you want to do your Warez,
****o, spam, or whatever traffic, please forgive me for not wanting to
contribute to efforts. However, you're mostly correct about one
thing. If someone insists on free, illegal, or hacked internet
access, it's usually suggestive of some illegal or dubious activities.
>Find the ones on your list that have NONE under encyption and
>try connecting to them.
Those are becoming fewer and fewer as manufacturers clean up their
router firmware. I consider myself partly responsible for at least
pointing out the problem to several vendors. Secure by default was my
tag line. The result is a recent scan of routers along my commute run
showed only 16 out of 250 SSID's to be unsecured. Most of those 10
were free public hot spots. About 2 years ago, there were about 100
SSID's, half of which were wide open.
>Also build yourself a good antenna so
>you can draw in signals far away from you.
Good idea. That also reduces the interference you might cause to the
sides and back of your antenna. I suggest a 19dBi dish, but that
might be a bit too obvious. A 15dBi panel antenna is just as large,
but less obtrusive.
>Also, try the
>admin password other suggested but don't expect it to work
>unless the operator of the connection is brain dead.
That won't work via wireless. Most of the newer routers have the
administrative web pages disabled from wireless port. That means you
have to be on a LAN wired port in order to change the router settings.
The other problem is that "admin" is the common login for the admin
web pages, not the encryption key. If the user sets their WPA/WPA2
encryption correctly, it will have a minimum of 8 characters, so
"admin" doesn't qualify. Try "password" instead.
>The ones
>that have NONE will sometimes be honeypots, no doubt run by
>some of the more sarcastic repliers here designed to steal
>your passwords and files and your credit card info, etc.
Yep. That's me. With the invention of routers that support multiple
SSID's, I sometimes include a 2nd SSID that is routed to different web
server. I had some clown (probably one of the local homeless) spend
several days trying to break into my dead end system. I was logging
most of it, enjoying myself somewhat. Unfortunately, that was the
only person who tried to break in, so I eventually disabled it.
The local hospital has unsecured wireless access, but that also leads
to a dead end. You need a VPN client to get anywhere on their
network. Many users are confused by the open access.
>Learn
>about firewalls and don't keep anything on your computer that
>is not encrypted.
Good plan. For Windoze/Mac/Linux, I recommend True Crypt:
<http://www.truecrypt.org>
Unfortunately, the files that most hackers want most (Firefox and
TBird saved passwords) are not easily encrypted.
>Yes simple procedure. That way some unknown tech/company has
>access to your private information, knows how many times a day
>you take a crap, etc.,etc. And guess what? You're paying HIM
>for the privilege. Also he can control what sites you access
>and deny you those he does not like.
Yet another conspiracy. Actually, there's a little truth to that. I
was involved in removing a kiddie **** distributor from the internet.
The ISP was involved in fingering the culprit by monitoring the
traffic. It turned out to be a 16 year old kid with a hijacked PC.
However, that didn't stop the police from tearing the house apart,
confiscating every computer, flash drive, USB drive, DSL modem,
router, and cell phone in the house. It's been about 4 months and it
appears that the police have "lost" much of what they confiscated.
There are several lessons here, of which ISP monitoring is only a
minor part. More specifically, any ISP caught monitoring without a
court order will find most if its customers gone elsewhere. No ISP
wants to take the risk. Most burn their log files after a day or two
to prevent having the logs handed over to the police.
>Best not to use wifi at
>all and stick to wired cable, dialup, etc. Lots of less
>jerkoffs on wired connections.
Maybe. I've done better sniffing ethernet than with Wi-Fi.
>Good luck you need to read more
>and study before connecting to the net or find a good friend
>who can help you.
Yep. However, I suspect the OP might be a bit more experienced than
he pretends to be:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=G2_IRhMAAACMr0b4DmJmVVy9xNe 55XFbWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww>
In article <85OdnSI0qfhTk47TnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
"John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote:
> I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
> advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
> computer, when they don't really have access to it?
John, perhaps the following will help. The Internet connection that
comes into my house (happens to be a Comcast connection) terminates in a
WiFi device sometimes called a "base station" which then broadcasts WiFi
signals all through my house.
The way this works, the base station transmitter has a name; in fact I
can give it any name I choose, say "Joe". The station, every second or
so, then broadcasts a brief message saying, in essence, "Hey, I'm Joe,
if you want to connect to me, send me back a message". This message
goes all through my house; any one in my house with a laptop will see
"Joe" displayed as an available WiFi hot spot.
Now the problem is, Joe's signals have to be strong enough to be
receivable anywhere in my house or yard. But, there's no way to make
Joe's signals stop at my fence or my lot line. The radio waves spill
over into neighbors' yards and houses, getting weaker as they go. So,
some of my neighbors see Joe's transmission on their laptops, and I see
signals from their base stations, named "Bill" and "Gary" and so on on
my laptop.
Now, I don't want my neighbors using Joe, and they don't want me using
Bill or Gary. So whenever a laptop tries to communicate back and set up
a connection with Joe, the first thing Joe asks is, "What's my
password?" If the user of this laptop can't give the right password
(which I've chosen and set into Joe), then Joe won't let him set up a
connection with him. I've given this password to all the people in my
house (and not to my neighbors).
If a neighbor and I were friends, and trusted each other, and if he
didn't have a base station and wanted to use mine for a while, he could
walk over and ask me for Joe's password, and I might give it to him. Or
if I needed some cash to pay my Comcast bill, I might suggest he pay me
back for some part of my Comcast bill during the period he's using Joe.
But otherwise he'd have to get his own Internet connection and set up
his own base station.
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 06:08:08 -0700, "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
>> advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
>> computer, when they don't really have access to it?
>
> Please show me any advertisement that offers free Wi-Fi internet
> access along with the purchase of a computah.
>
> The implication of such advertising is that you would use the Wi-Fi
> adapter in your unspecified model computer to connect to a wireless
> access point or router that you own and have paid for, not someone
> elses. It's like the automobile dealer offering a free drivers
> license, liability insurance, free registration, free toll road fees,
> and free maintenance along with the purchase of a vehicle. It doesn't
> happen. You, and only you, are responsible for using the vehicle (and
> the Wi-Fi device) in a legal and responsible manner. Presumably, that
> comes from getting sufficient information on how it work BEFORE
> spending the money.
>
> It's true that many people have no interest in having you use their
> Wi-Fi router without permission. They also make no effect to identify
> themselves so that you can find them. They also apply encryption to
> prevent anyone else from using their system. This should be a clue
> that you're not welcome.
>
> Most of my routers have the SSID set to the address of the wireless
> router. However, that's not an invitation. It's there to help deal
> with interference issues. However, if you can find them, talking
> nicely with the owner might result in an arrangement, where you use
> their wireless at perhaps odd hours or help pay for their broadband
> connection. Just ask.
>
> As I previously mentioned, your header shows that you're connecting
> via Earthlink. You already have an ISP. You should ask them for
> help.
>
> Hmm.... you're not exactly a beginner. What inspired this line of
> questioning? Did you just buy a new computah? With all your
> experience since 1998, I would think you would have had more of a clue
> about how broadband and Wi-Fi operates:
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=G2_IRhMAAACMr0b4DmJmVVy9xNe 55XFbWMj6vob75xS36mXc24h6ww>
>
>
Just trolling??
On Jul 5, 8:40*am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC), haha
>
> <h...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
> >The people on this
> >group generally don't want you to have access and especially
> >FREE access to wifi connections. They make money off of
> >charging you for those connections and are jealous of anyone
> >who gets them for free.
>
> I love a good conspiracy theory. *Actually, I like writing them, but
> don't really like reading bad conspiracy theories. *I no longer have
> an interest in an ISP that charges for Wi-Fi access. *The one's that
> I'm currently involved with offer free Wi-Fi through their retail
> vendors. *However, they also offer for pay mesh network and for pay
> licensed fat pipe for big commercial accounts. *I'm not jealous of
> anyone getting free internet. *However, I consider them little better
> than thieves. *Most of my rants are to try change their ways and keep
> them out of trouble.
>
> >Also they are generally old fart
> >constipated old men who don't want you to get anything for
> >free.
>
> I'm 63. *That's good for quite a bit of experience. *I wasn't aware
> that was a problem. *However, you're welcome to repeat my mistakes if
> you must.
>
> >They prefer that you pay them for your connection. That
> >way they know who you are and can profile your net activities
> >against your known identity. Get it?
>
> Oh yeah, the privacy thing. *Well, if you want to do your Warez,
> ****o, spam, or whatever traffic, please forgive me for not wanting to
> contribute to efforts. *However, you're mostly correct about one
> thing. *If someone insists on free, illegal, or hacked internet
> access, it's usually suggestive of some illegal or dubious activities.
>
> >Find the ones on your list that have NONE under encyption and
> >try connecting to them.
>
> Those are becoming fewer and fewer as manufacturers clean up their
> router firmware. *I consider myself partly responsible for at least
> pointing out the problem to several vendors. *Secure by default was my
> tag line. *The result is a recent scan of routers along my commute run
> showed only 16 out of 250 SSID's to be unsecured. *Most of those 10
> were free public hot spots. *About 2 years ago, there were about 100
> SSID's, half of which were wide open.
>
> >Also build yourself a good antenna so
> >you can draw in signals far away from you.
>
> Good idea. *That also reduces the interference you might cause to the
> sides and back of your antenna. *I suggest a 19dBi dish, but that
> might be a bit too obvious. *A 15dBi panel antenna is just as large,
> but less obtrusive.
>
> >Also, try the
> >admin password other suggested but don't expect it to work
> >unless the operator of the connection is brain dead.
>
> That won't work via wireless. *Most of the newer routers have the
> administrative web pages disabled from wireless port. *That means you
> have to be on a LAN wired port in order to change the router settings.
> The other problem is that "admin" is the common login for the admin
> web pages, not the encryption key. *If the user sets their WPA/WPA2
> encryption correctly, it will have a minimum of 8 characters, so
> "admin" doesn't qualify. *Try "password" instead.
>
> >The ones
> >that have NONE will sometimes be honeypots, no doubt run by
> >some of the more sarcastic repliers here designed to steal
> >your passwords and files and your credit card info, etc.
>
> Yep. *That's me. *With the invention of routers that support multiple
> SSID's, I sometimes include a 2nd SSID that is routed to different web
> server. *I had some clown (probably one of the local homeless) spend
> several days trying to break into my dead end system. *I was logging
> most of it, enjoying myself somewhat. *Unfortunately, that was the
> only person who tried to break in, so I eventually disabled it.
>
> The local hospital has unsecured wireless access, but that also leads
> to a dead end. *You need a VPN client to get anywhere on their
> network. *Many users are confused by the open access.
>
> >Learn
> >about firewalls and don't keep anything on your computer that
> >is not encrypted.
>
> Good plan. *For Windoze/Mac/Linux, I recommend True Crypt:
> <http://www.truecrypt.org>
> Unfortunately, the files that most hackers want most (Firefox and
> TBird saved passwords) are not easily encrypted.
>
> >Yes simple procedure. That way some unknown tech/company has
> >access to your private information, knows how many times a day
> >you take a crap, etc.,etc. And guess what? You're paying HIM
> >for the privilege. Also he can control what sites you access
> >and deny you those he does not like.
>
> Yet another conspiracy. *Actually, there's a little truth to that. *I
> was involved in removing a kiddie **** distributor from the internet.
> The ISP was involved in fingering the culprit by monitoring the
> traffic. *It turned out to be a 16 year old kid with a hijacked PC.
> However, that didn't stop the police from tearing the house apart,
> confiscating every computer, flash drive, USB drive, DSL modem,
> router, and cell phone in the house. *It's been about 4 months and it
> appears that the police have "lost" much of what they confiscated.
> There are several lessons here, of which ISP monitoring is only a
> minor part. *More specifically, any ISP caught monitoring without a
> court order will find most if its customers gone elsewhere. *No ISP
> wants to take the risk. *Most burn their log files after a day or two
> to prevent having the logs handed over to the police.
>
> >Best not to use wifi at
> >all and stick to wired cable, dialup, etc. Lots of less
> >jerkoffs on wired connections.
>
> Maybe. *I've done better sniffing ethernet than with Wi-Fi. *
>
> >Good luck you need to read more
> >and study before connecting to the net or find a good friend
> >who can help you.
>
> Yep. *However, I suspect the OP might be a bit more experienced than
> he pretends to be:
> <http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=G2_IRhMAAACMr0...>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann * * je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558
I bet your installations are good. I find it annoying when you use the
"free" wifi and it doesn't work. Maybe the router is up, but the rest
of the system is down. This happens once in a while at Peets. Or they
give you a code that doesn't work. Starbucks is far simpler, but Peets
has better coffee.
I've built some antennas for the education, but I've also bought
antennas. For about $40, you can get some decent panels. I still want
to try the biquad on a dish sometime for yucks. I got one of those old
MDS antennas that works well. But a panel is much less obtrusive.
You see a lot of panels on commercial buildings these days. Costco for
one. Home Depot and Walmart have weird *** antennas on the outside
too. They aren't 2.4G wifi since I ran a sniffer and nothing odd was
detected.
Incidentally, I noticed the Realtech software for their cards can
detect wifi without SSID. They show up with a blank in the name.
On Jul 5, 9:00*am, AES <sieg...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> In article <85OdnSI0qfhTk47TnZ2dnUVZ_gadn...@earthlink.com> ,
> *"John Sisker" <jsis...@sprynet.com> wrote:
>
> > I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
> > advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
> > computer, when they don't really have access to it?
>
> John, perhaps the following will help. *The Internet connection that
> comes into my house (happens to be a Comcast connection) terminates in a
> WiFi device sometimes called a "base station" which then broadcasts WiFi
> signals all through my house. *
>
> The way this works, the base station transmitter has a name; in fact I
> can give it any name I choose, say "Joe". *The station, every second or
> so, then broadcasts a brief message saying, in essence, "Hey, I'm Joe,
> if you want to connect to me, send me back a message". *This message
> goes all through my house; any one in my house with a laptop will see
> "Joe" displayed as an available WiFi hot spot.
>
> Now the problem is, Joe's signals have to be strong enough to be
> receivable anywhere in my house or yard. *But, there's no way to make
> Joe's signals stop at my fence or my lot line. *The radio waves spill
> over into neighbors' yards and houses, getting weaker as they go. *So,
> some of my neighbors see Joe's transmission on their laptops, and I see
> signals from their base stations, named "Bill" and "Gary" and so on on
> my laptop. *
>
> Now, I don't want my neighbors using Joe, and they don't want me using
> Bill or Gary. *So whenever a laptop tries to communicate back and set up
> a connection with Joe, the first thing Joe asks is, "What's my
> password?" *If the user of this laptop can't give the right password
> (which I've chosen and set into Joe), then Joe won't let him set up a
> connection with him. *I've given this password to all the people in my
> house (and not to my neighbors).
>
> If a neighbor and I were friends, and trusted each other, and if he
> didn't have a base station and wanted to use mine for a while, he could
> walk over and ask me for Joe's password, and I might give it to him. *Or
> if I needed some cash to pay my Comcast bill, I might suggest he pay me
> back for some part of my Comcast bill during the period he's using Joe. *
> But otherwise he'd have to get his own Internet connection and set up
> his own base station.
>
> Does that clarify anything?
Along the same lines, everybody and their mother has a 2wire modem/
wifi/router. I don't like the wifi and router, but their modems are
good, so I use my own router and wifi. However, you have to wonder how
many of the 2wire signals you see are even used. I bought mine used,
so I don't know how they come configured, but if it is like the
Comcast box you mention, I could see that being pollution of the air
waves, especially if it wasn't set up properly.
"John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:85OdnSI0qfhTk47TnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
>advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
>computer, when they don't really have access to it?
Because it is wireless and your computer has inbuilt capability to "look
for wireless connections."
I use a router to access my ISP, and, the router has wireless capability
as well so that I can use a laptop and ipod touch/ipad .
The wireless networks you can"see" are those that people are paying an ISP
to use, It would be a very trusting (or stupid) person who agreed to share
their ISP with anyone when they would have no control over usage and the
risk of incurring extra costs from overuse etc.
In article <201107052355.UTC.iv088j$tf5$1@tioat.net>,
hoho <hoho@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
ears ago,
> > there were about 100 SSID's, half of which were wide open.
>
> Gee thanks. Guess you don't believe in the original purpose of
> the net, free info for all. Your beginning to sound like a
> Bush supporter.
The Internet was never free information for all. In the beginning it
was a method for a very elite academic and military group to discuss
things.
>
--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz
On Jul 5, 5:54*pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <201107052355.UTC.iv088j$tf...@tioat.net>,
>
> *hoho <h...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote:
>
> ears ago,
>
> > > there were about 100 SSID's, half of which were wide open.
>
> > Gee thanks. Guess you don't believe in the original purpose of
> > the net, free info for all. Your beginning to sound like a
> > Bush supporter.
>
> * *The Internet was never free information for all. In the beginning it
> was a method for a very elite academic and military group to discuss
> things. *
>
>
>
> --
> People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
> until patients started presenting with sexually
> acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz
In the dark ages, we would exchange software over the arpanet.
uuencode and uudecode IIRC. The network was not only designed for
exchange of information, but also with redundancy should a node fail.
On Jul 5, 4:03*pm, "Sunny" <wombathou...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "John Sisker" <jsis...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:85OdnSI0qfhTk47TnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>
> >I understand what you are saying, but then why is such information
> >advertised by vendors, promoted by retailers and available on one's
> >computer, when they don't really have access to it?
>
> Because it is wireless and your computer has inbuilt capability to "look
> for wireless connections."
> I use a router to access my ISP, and, the router has wireless capability
> as well so that I can use a laptop and ipod touch/ipad .
> The wireless networks you can"see" are those that people are paying an ISP
> to use, It would be a very trusting (or stupid) person who agreed to share
> their ISP with anyone when they would have no control over usage and the
> risk of incurring extra costs from overuse etc.
In the US, most people aren't charged extra for going over their cap,
but I believe they have their bandwidth throttled down.
>So the retail vendors do not charge also? I only see that at
>McDonalds and then you have to buy a burger, or latte (oh
>excuuuuzzzzme, since I am little better than a thief, it must
>be back coffee?) at some yuppie coffee rip off joint.
Well, judge for yourself:
<http://www.cruzio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2982&Ite mid=406>
The list of free wi-fi hot spots, provided by Cruzio is on the left
and on the map. Whether a laundry or coffee shop, common courtesy
requires you to buy something to help the business justify dealing
with the hot spot. Yes, you can sip on a single cup of coffee all day
long if you want to be cheap.
>Never would have guessed that, how did you manage to maintain
>your sense of humor? By replying to posts like mine? hahahhaa.
By keeping my brain active. I don't really know everything. I do
know how to find or figure out most anything. Kinda like the
difference between knowledge and expertise. Knowledge is static,
expertise is dynamic.
>That's a right wing leap of faith conclusion if I ever heard
>one.
Labels are so much fun. I presume I'm suppose to label your position
as Communist? From each according to what you can rip off. To each
according to what you can get away with.
>Are you listening to Russ Limbaugh by accident?
Nope. I haven't listened to him for years. When he started doing his
own research, screwing up his facts, and then doing a miserable job of
covering his mistakes, I gave up on him.
>I sometimes download legal **** but not often. I do not spam in
>the real sense of the word, but I do not pay for software if I
>can get it for free. Got a good paying job for me? Be glad to
>drop all those nasty habits, including MAYBE the free wifi,
>but there are still very legitimate privacy issues.
Amazing. I would never have guessed. I presume you've never had any
original work of your ripped off via the internet. I have. Let me
assure you that your attitude will change if that happens to you.
I also presume you believe that legitimate purchasers of commercial
software are somehow suckers for not using BitTorrent to get it for
free.
No, I don't have a good paying job for you. I wouldn't hire you
anyway. I'm losing money on my business. For the last 6 months, I've
barely managed to pay the office rent and expenses. I'm far from
broke, but I don't like living on my savings.
>Gee thanks. Guess you don't believe in the original purpose of
>the net, free info for all. Your beginning to sound like a
>Bush supporter.
Yet another label. You sound like a supporter of the devil himself.
The internet was never intended to be free. University users were
able to use it without charge because it was original subsidized by
the National Science Foundation (NSFnet). What was not free at the
time were the various resellers, that would sell internet access to
large corporations and institutions. Locally, we had BarrNet. They
had an interesting clause in their contracts that prohibited their
customers from reselling the bandwidth, content, and service. So, a
large corporation could not setup a modem pool for use by the public,
but could do so for their own employees. That caused considerable
grumbling, and plenty of back doors, including one that I helped setup
and run. That was the system until NSFnet pulled the plug.
(Incidentally, NSFnet was all 64Kbit/sec DS0 lines). Everyone wanted
the internet to continue, but nobody could quite figure out how to
transition from essentially a government subsidized research project
into a commercial venture. In stepped SprintNet, which was completely
clueless as to how things worked, but smelled money. They would
provide transit, and somehow forgot to include the no redistribution
clause in the contract. The result was widespread commercial growth.
Everyone who could scribble a business plan was setting up dialup
modem pools and reselling bandwidth and content. Some were free, but
they were in the minority as someone eventually had to pay for the
bandwidth. The rest you probably know.
>Homemade, no budget for the fancy stuff the often does not
>work much better.
It's fairly easy to build an antenna with fairly low gain (< 10dbi) as
the construction isn't very critical. Things get really tricky in
both design and construction when the gain gets up to 24dBi.
Incidentally, the higher the gain, the narrower the antenna bandwidth.
At 24dBi, the -3dB bandwidth of a dish is about the same as the entire
2.4Ghz band (83.5Mhz). Any more gain, and you end up building an
antenna that only works on a few channels.
>But it is amazing how sophisticated
>the router software is they are using to block users based on
>profiling and bandwidth throttles. Been able to keep one step
>ahead of them mostly.
Probably Snort:
<http://www.snort.org>
Note that the subscription to the rules set is about $30/year.
>> The local hospital has unsecured wireless access, but that
>> also leads to a dead end. You need a VPN client to get
>> anywhere on their network. Many users are confused by the
>> open access.
>
>Because it is confusing.
The hospital added a splash page the explained how it works.
Unfortunately, it was written by one of the IT people, and few of the
GUM (great unwashed masses) can understand it. I tried to help, but
was ignored.
>Once I have backtrack up and running
>I will be visting the aholes that have been trying to hack
>into my machine unsuccessfully the last year or so.
They're out there and they're coming to get you. Well, that's what I
thought when I setup my first IDS (intrusion detection system). It
turned out to be a stupid bug in WZC (wireless zero config) that
caused PC's to try and establish a peer to peer connection. That was
treated as a security alert. Same with ping probes, port scans, and
garbage spewing ethernet switches. I probably spent more time
fighting the false alarms, than dealing with any real threats.
>> Good plan. For Windoze/Mac/Linux, I recommend True Crypt:
>> <http://www.truecrypt.org>
>> Unfortunately, the files that most hackers want most
>> (Firefox and TBird saved passwords) are not easily
>> encrypted.
>
>Good point.
Well, Microsloth finally plugged my favorite entry point about 3
months ago in XP. They disabled autorun for USB devices, so that I
can't just plug a USB flash drive into a machine, and have it
automatically grab the registry and some interesting files.
>True for most I am guessing, but guess what, as many black
>hats on your side as on mine.
It's real, and it's not over yet. Lots of lessons, but the one I'm
trying to suggest is that it doesn't pay to screwup because the
authorities don't play fair. The reason is simple... money. Obama
threw some money at enforcing kiddie **** laws on the internet to
placate PAC's that consider the internet no better than a ****o book
store. The police took one look and saw the potential for revenue.
So, they began sting and enforcement operations against anyone that
even offered the slightest hint of trafficking in kiddie ****. At one
point, there were 4 officers and detectives searching the house for
"evidence". I think the whole process took about 7 hours. I was
asked to stay away because if I came onto the premises, they would
have to confiscate my cell phone and USB flash drives. It's now
becoming obvious they have no interest in bringing this or similar
cases to trial. They just want to burn through the enforcement
funding. Therefore, I suggest you keep a low profile at least until
the funding runs out.
>Frankly I do not trust any
>corporation that provides internet access. Call me paranoid,
>that's just me. I think I am REALISTIC.
Maybe. I do it a bit differently. Trust, but verify, is my operating
principle. That means that I'll do business with anyone that appears
reputable, but I'll make damn sure they keep their act clean. If
there's no evidence of wrong doing, I continue to do business. If I
smell a rat, I run. This is much like what you're doing except that
you don't bother to verify. You just assume that every corporation
and government agency is corrupt and out to get you.
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