Another Victim of Linksys.

"flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:

>
>> If you know how to fix it, then why are you whining here? Just go and
>> fix it!
>>
>> Jerry
>
>Why are you here is all you want to do is put down peple who warn
>others about bad products.
>Jim

Because you didn't put down the product. You didn't even bother to
specify the product you bought at the recommendation of your expert
friend. What you did was put down the manufacturer and the dealer. If
you need help with the distinction, I'll be glad to explain.

Meanwhile, here's your fix:
<http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3536&p_created=1143766419&p_si d=DwSBoJri&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoP TEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZ wX3Byb2RzPTgsMTQxOSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9Mi4xNDE5JnBfY 3Y9JnBfc2NmX2xhbmc9MSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh 0PXdlbGNvbWU*&p_li=&p_topview=1>
No need to thank me. You already thought you knew the answer.

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flamestar wrote:
> linksys hurts computers
> rather then merely not work.


Yer new to high technology, right?

flamestar wrote:
> You blame me for that fact that Linksys is hurting people's systems.
> You clearly have no sense of responsibility and blame the victim rather
> then the criminal.

Perhaps if you described the issue you are having.

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>
> >
> >> If you know how to fix it, then why are you whining here? Just go and
> >> fix it!
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >
> >Why are you here is all you want to do is put down peple who warn
> >others about bad products.
> >Jim
>
> Because you didn't put down the product. You didn't even bother to
> specify the product you bought at the recommendation of your expert
> friend. What you did was put down the manufacturer and the dealer. If
> you need help with the distinction, I'll be glad to explain.

__________________________________________________ ______________

I know you thought I was confused already but now I am confused. Please
explain how this is a fix, unless I have a time machine.




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Possible Workaround
If the WUSB54GC is installed without the Linksys Wireless Network
Monitor software, the Windows XP Welcome Screen and Fast User Switching
will not be disabled. You can install just the WUSB54GC driver and use
Windows XP Wireless Zero Configuration to configure and connect to
wireless networks.

Warnings
Fast User Switching is disabled by the file GTGina.dll. If this file
reference is removed incorrectly from the Windows registry, your
computer may fail to boot. Linksys does not support removing this file
reference from the registry.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It says install the software without the Linksys Monitor. Well what
happens if you have done this already? A fix is something that happens
after the damage is not something to do to avoid the problem in the
first place.


As you seem to be their spokesman, if your so called fix is only a way
of avoiding the problem in the first place then; why pray tell, is the
reason that Linksys doesn't attach a warning to the product.You know
like a l;ittle piece of paper explaining the problem and how to avoid
it.

By the way this does seem to be the answer. Am I right?

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No problem, it drove me crazy; I even uninstalled stuff. It seems that
their
Wusb54gc Wireless adapter(which I bought last week) works great. It's
the
install cd that causes that peculiar "quirk". So I uninstalled the
Linksys
utility using add/remove went to their site-downloaded the newest
driver(v2.0) unplugged the adapter-plugged it back in-when the hardware

wizard asked to find the driver I clicked the I'll choose option and it
took
me right to the folder that had the new linksys driver-clicked on the
driver
folder-not the wusb54gc;the subfolder driver, and BINGO no more locked
out
fast switching. But it uses XP's wireless utility is all;not the "cute"

little green Linksys one (that is where that GTGina.dll file is
located) And
just like Vincent said when he showed you that link to the
answer;Linksys
still;as of yesterday; are figuring out that there's a problem. Glad we

could help

Jeff


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> Now for the math. About half the chipsets sold will end up in the
> USA. So, we have 100 million chipsets for 3.7 million square miles.
> That makes 27 radios for every square mile in the USA, not counting
> chipsets sold prior to 2006. If I include chipsets sold in 2005 (half
> of 160 million), I get 49 radios per square mile in the USA. No
> wonder I'm seeing interference.
>
> Another way to look at it is that are about 31.5 million seconds each
> year. 200 million chipsets worldwide each year is about 6.3 radios
> sold every second, 24 hours per day. Kinda like a deluge?
>
> Isn't math fun?
>
As I see it the issue what precentage of of people who buy a product
with have a problem and what kind or problem do they have.

If 90% of the people have a problem that's worse then 10% have a
problem and if one product is hard to install but works great once it
is installed and another trashes your computers that's worse then one
that is hard to install.

decaturtxcowboy wrote:
> flamestar wrote:
> > linksys hurts computers
> > rather then merely not work.
>
>
> Yer new to high technology, right?

It depends on your definition. Actually I first learned porograming in
a summer program at high school in 1961. I have owned PCs since since
1982. My first computer had an Intel 8088 chip. I have owned
computers since then but I strongly object to products that do harm. If
you want your computer trashed then be my guest.

flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way this does seem to be the answer. Am I right?

Something that is lacking from the Linksys page that Jeff cited is what you
called the Time Machine element.

"Question
After I installed the WUSB54GC on my Windows XP computer, I no longer can
see the Windows XP Welcome Screen and cannot switch between multiple users
without completely logging off. Why does this happen and what can I do?

Answer: "

Essentially: Don't do that. But no time machine or solution.

The advice that you copied is to remove the product and reinstall it
differently.

There doesn't appear to be a warning posted on the product page at Linksys,
nor on the support site that is obvious.

There is this update:
"Due to a major earthquake in the South-Pacific area, telephone, internet
circuits, and services from the United States have interrupted our call
center operations. "

When was that?


Searching for "WUSB54GC login" on the support forum yields the proper
advice. Uninstall what you have, and install the new driver. But I hate
searching forums. you usually have to wade through many articles to find a
clean solution. This should be a prominent article right at the top of any
WUSB54GC search.


But you already knew that, since flamestar is a recent contributor,
complaining about CompUSA selling the product.


On the download page, I don't see the software similar to the CDROM
available, just the driver, which I suppose you might have been able to
install from the CDROM without adding the Linksys interface.

Overall, I would say this is a pretty startling error, and deserves some
prominent display on the Linksys web site.

It adds a login screen to some systems, such that people are unable to
access the system, and in your case it removed a login screen, as I recall.

The solution is not easy to find, and even visiting the download site to
get the latest driver might not lead you to uninstall the additional
software, which is where the problem lies.


With Windows XP-SP2, I generally don't load anything from the vendor. The
Windows-supplied drivers, if you have access to the internet, seem to be
good. In this case, the "new" 1.0.2.0 driver is from 2005, so I suspect it
would be available from Microsoft.

"flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:

>> Yer new to high technology, right?

>It depends on your definition.

High technology is anything that hasn't had the benefit of years of
experience and is not already obsolete. That covers just about
anything you can purchase new for computers.

>Actually I first learned porograming in
>a summer program at high school in 1961. I have owned PCs since since
>1982. My first computer had an Intel 8088 chip. I have owned
>computers since then but I strongly object to products that do harm. If
>you want your computer trashed then be my guest.

Impressive. I'm 59. You have all those years of experience and you
didn't bother to check the web site and download the latest drivers?
As I understand it, the solution you posted, which is better than the
one from the Linksys web pile, is to use the latest driver and Windoze
Wireless Zero Config. Good enough, but you didn't do that. Instead,
you denounced the manufacturer and the dealer while doing an
impressive job of not asking for assistance or describing your
problem. As you stated, you're not interested in solving the problem,
only bashing Linksys and CompUSA.

I need a rant. In the wonderful world of high technology, there isn't
a single device that I can buy that does NOT require an update of some
form or other. There isn't a single device that works perfectly. If
I dig out the test equipment, there are also very few devices that
meet their own published specifications. None of this stuff works
perfectly or I wouldn't be in this business. Get used to it because I
suspect it will get more complex, more buggy, and even more
destructive, as such systems grow faster than bugs get fixed.

There was a time, in about 1990, when I decided that unless something
radical was going to change in computing, the whole bug pile would
collapse under its own weight. At the time, about 10% of the US
population had computers. If computers were going to expand to the
rest, it had to have all the features of an appliance. It had to be
simple, safe, obvious, standardized, and have a long lifetime. My
vision of computing was collection of dedicated appliances, such as a
spreadsheet machine, a dedicated word processor, a dedicated database
cruncher, and so on, where everything talked to everything else via a
common protocol. Divide and conquer as this was the only way to
remove the ever growing bugs of a general purpose machine. Lots of
other advantages which I won't go into. Since I was in the
communications business at the time, I anxiously awaited the release
of the ultimate universal communications protocol. And waited, and
waited, and waited....

So, what went wrong? Instead of divide and conquer, the industry
went for bigger is better. Just pile on the applications and
accessories, and let the operating system try to keep order. Well,
that's what operating systems are suppose to do. I saw this as
ludicrous, since some minor application added on top of this software
tower of bable was fully capeable of collapsing the while system.
Well, that's what's happening to you. Instead of noticing that 99% of
your computer is working absolutely correctly, your life is spent
dealing with the malfunctional 1%. Welcome to the new reality of
computing. The tail really does wag the dog.

I learned this lesson with the HP45 calculator. I purchased one back
in the late 1970's and was immediately informed that it was a loser
because some of the obscure trig functions produced erronious results.
When I pointed out that I rarely used these functions, I was told that
such errors implies that there were other errors and that I shouldn't
take the chance. I was apparently more tolerant of errors than my
co-workers.

The problem is that you're somewhat of an anachronism. You want
perfection. You equate the loss of your precious fast user switching
(which I don't use because it's a performance and memory hog), with
"trashing" your precious computer and ignore that the wireless device
continues to work, that you can still do useful work, and that 99% of
everything that you might even remotely want to use on your computer
is still working. Perfection is a wonderful goal, but it's not going
to happen this week. We might make it with my appliance idea, but
that's not where we're going. Meanwhile, the greatest accomplishment
of current computer industry, and one which I'm sure it will be most
remembered, is training the users to tolerate and live with bugs.
Without this, the industry cannot grow, because features and functions
get added faster than bugs get fixed.

End of rant. I'll try answer some of your questions:

>As you seem to be their spokesman, if your so called fix is only a way
>of avoiding the problem in the first place then; why pray tell, is the
>reason that Linksys doesn't attach a warning to the product.You know
>like a l;ittle piece of paper explaining the problem and how to avoid
>it.

That's easy. Have you ever heard of the Linksys support web site? It
has the URL I posted which includes a crude version of the fix. It
could be much better, but it only took me about a minute to guess the
model number of your product (since you didn't even bother to supply
that), and find something that vaguely resembles your problem. There
was a time when little pieces of paper in the box labelled "read me
first" were popular, but these days, such addenda, updates, and
supplimentary documentation are found on the vendors web pile.

>By the way this does seem to be the answer. Am I right?

Yes, using WZC to retain use of fast user switching seems like a good
solution. Incidentally, there are many other programs that replace
the Windoze login system in the name of enhancing security. Novell
client, Symantec PC Anywhere, some VPN software, and assorted single
sign on systems, come to mind.

However, I do have an issue with the official Linksys justification
at:
<http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3536>
which claims that:
Cause
The WUSB54GC software supports LEAP security. In order to link
Windows login account information to LEAP authentication, Fast User
Switching in Windows XP must be disabled.
LEAP has been recognized to be a loser for security and is not
recommended.
<http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid7_gci843996,00.html>
Without a RADIUS server, all that LEAP authentication offers is WEP
with dynamic key delivery. In that case, there's no reason for any
changes to the Windoze login and security system. In other words,
somebody goofed.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

My WRT54G is screwed. As far as I can tell, Linksys hasn't updated the software either. Unfortunately, mine is not the version that can run Linux as far as i can tell.
--
Steve Cole
President, Kingston Online Services
http://www.kos.net/Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com

flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you know how to fix it, then why are you whining here? Just go and
>> fix it!
>>
>> Jerry
>
> Why are you here is all you want to do is put down peple who warn
> others about bad products.
>
> Jim
>
Here's your original post:
I bought a linksys wireless adopet fromn Compusa. It scredew up mu log
in screen. Lyksys is nothing but a rip off and COMPUSA sells nothing
but ripoffs.

What product? You don't mention a product number, you just bitch about
Linksys and CompUSA, and your problem description leaves alot to be
desired. Do you seriously think Consumer Reports would have much of a
readership if, for example, when reporting on say a Ford car they said
all Fords suck?

Fow all the time you've spent whining you could have fixed the problem
already.

Jerry

Jerry Peters wrote:
> flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If you know how to fix it, then why are you whining here? Just go and
> >> fix it!
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >
> > Why are you here is all you want to do is put down peple who warn
> > others about bad products.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> Here's your original post:
> I bought a linksys wireless adopet fromn Compusa. It scredew up mu log
> in screen. Lyksys is nothing but a rip off and COMPUSA sells nothing
> but ripoffs.
>
> What product? You don't mention a product number, you just bitch about
> Linksys and CompUSA, and your problem description leaves alot to be
> desired. Do you seriously think Consumer Reports would have much of a
> readership if, for example, when reporting on say a Ford car they said
> all Fords suck?
>
> Fow all the time you've spent whining you could have fixed the problem
> already.
>
> Jerry

Like you think I am Consumer Reports. There never was any confusion as
to which product I was having a problem with. When I said the Linksys
Wireless Adaptor screwed up my log in screen everyone knew what I was
talking about. People somehow guessed right away that the problem was
with WUSB54GC and miracle of miracles they were right. It turns out
that this is well known problem involving their compact wireless
adapters.

Even though people knew what product I was talking about I was still
the first one to post the correct answer here.


I had several goals when I started the discussion.



1. I wanted the question to provoke a discussion. Bad spelling and an
incoherent message really attracts attention. (I do both naturally but
sometimes I do it to provoke a response.)

2. I wanted people to know that Linksys was wrong not to warn people
that the software for the WUSB54GC caused problems for a person's
computer.

3. I wanted people to know how poor a job Linksys did in warning people
about the problem.

4. I wanted people to know to know that Linksys never provided an
answer for the problem but instead it was the people on the forums that
had to figure out the answer on their own.

5. I wanted people to look at complaints about the whole Linksys line
of products. I am not saying they are all bad but no product line seems
to have generated as many different complaints. Most other products
seem to have trouble being installed but Linksys software seems buggy.

6. I wanted to deal with the heckling of people who ask for help. I am
grateful that there are people who are willing to help but for every 1
person who actually tries to help there are about 4 who make fun of
people for asking for help.

By the way I first learned programming in 1962 and I bought my first
computer in 1983 and I have fond memories of DOS.

Steve <shaman[at]kos[dot]net> hath wroth:

>My WRT54G is screwed. As far as I can tell, Linksys hasn't updated the software either. Unfortunately, mine is not the version that can run Linux as far as i can tell.

Is this a complaint or a request for help?

If the former, please submit it to Linksys via the comments tag at:
<http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Content_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout &cid=1114037291276&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVis itorWrapper>

If it's a request for help, kindly:
1. Start a new thread.
2. Disclose the hardware version of your WRT54G.
3. Disclose the exact firmware version you claim is not being
updated.
4. Disclose the problem which has converted your router into a
helical fastener.

As far as I know, only the very latest Linksys WRT54G v7 version is
incapeable of running Linux. All the others have Linux versions
available. See:
<http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G/GL/GS/GX>

Also, if you compare the firmware update history for the various
bottom of the line wireless vendors, only Linksys bothers to update
the firmware for products they no longer sell. You can generally get
a clue about how concerned a company is for their EXISTING customers
by looking at the firmware revision history. There are several
vendors where you're lucky to see one revision and more commonly are
stuck at v1.0 with all bugs being considered permanent.

Oh yeah, thank you for another mindless and uninformative complaint.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> hath wroth:

>Do you seriously think Consumer Reports would have much of a
>readership if, for example, when reporting on say a Ford car they said
>all Fords suck?

Actually, Consumer Reports did something worse to me once. I was
working for a marine radio manufacturer at the time. Consumer Reports
reviewed a collection of comparable marine radios. One particular
model from one vendor was praised with a glowing report. Our model
was treated little better than garbage. There was just one problem.
Behind the cosmetic plastic escusion, decals, stickers, and package,
both radios came from the same Japanese manufacturer and were
internally identical. The high command couldn't believe it either, so
they bought the competitors radio, and I bench tested it as close to
what Consumer Reports did with their tests. Absolutely identical
performance. I've had my doubts about Consumer Reports ever since
then.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

>Oh yeah, thank you for another mindless and uninformative
>complaint.

You know what... Linksys customers shouldn't have to put up with such shoddy software, and they shouldn't have to put alternative software on their products to make them work properly.

But more importantly, they shouldn't have to put up with arrogant dickheads like you who are trolling the newgroups.
--
Steve Cole
President, Kingston Online Services
http://www.kos.net/|
Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com

flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:
> Like you think I am Consumer Reports. There never was any confusion as
> to which product I was having a problem with.

Some people thought you had a BEFW11S4 router. I didn't try to guess.
Eventually you restated the problem, including the model.

> When I said the Linksys Wireless Adaptor screwed up my log in screen
> everyone knew what I was talking about.

Not until Jeff posted a URL.

> People somehow guessed right away

I think not.

> Even though people knew what product I was talking about I was still
> the first one to post the correct answer here.

It's easy to win when you make up the rules.

> 1. I wanted the question to provoke a discussion. Bad spelling and an
> incoherent message really attracts attention. (I do both naturally but
> sometimes I do it to provoke a response.)

What a crock.

The end result is what? That some people now realize something about
Linksys that they didn't know before? The only people that followed this
thread to the end are the ones who are really trying to help.

That's why, even though my typing is sometimes poor, I try to post URLs
with some cogent keywords so that someone searching for this problem later
might find it, instead of the gibberish that you posted.

I accept some people's typing errors as typing errors (mine especially),
others I believe are doing very well at a second language.

Some others I presume are drunken trolls.

--
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dold@86.usenet.us.com wrote:
> flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Like you think I am Consumer Reports. There never was any confusion as
> > to which product I was having a problem with.
>
> Some people thought you had a BEFW11S4 router. I didn't try to guess.
> Eventually you restated the problem, including the model.
>
> > When I said the Linksys Wireless Adaptor screwed up my log in screen
> > everyone knew what I was talking about.
>
> Not until Jeff posted a URL.
>
> > People somehow guessed right away
>
> I think not.
>
> > Even though people knew what product I was talking about I was still
> > the first one to post the correct answer here.
>
> It's easy to win when you make up the rules.
>

You are a liar. Jeff was wrong and you are lying about it. His answer
was wrong but you won't admit it because you are a lying phony.

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> hath wroth:
>
> >Do you seriously think Consumer Reports would have much of a
> >readership if, for example, when reporting on say a Ford car they said
> >all Fords suck?
>
> Actually, Consumer Reports did something worse to me once. I was
> working for a marine radio manufacturer at the time. Consumer Reports
> reviewed a collection of comparable marine radios. One particular
> model from one vendor was praised with a glowing report. Our model
> was treated little better than garbage. There was just one problem.
> Behind the cosmetic plastic escusion, decals, stickers, and package,
> both radios came from the same Japanese manufacturer and were
> internally identical. The high command couldn't believe it either, so
> they bought the competitors radio, and I bench tested it as close to
> what Consumer Reports did with their tests. Absolutely identical
> performance. I've had my doubts about Consumer Reports ever since
> then.
>
Now there is something we can agree on. Consumer Reports seems made for
the lowest common denominator. They like cheaply made low tech
products. I first noticed it when they trashed high carbon knives and
pushed for stainless steel rather then the kind of stainless knives
that they have now. The latest was the Dyson Vacuum which we got and
love. I am sorry about being difficult.

flamestar <agnifire@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are a liar. Jeff was wrong and you are lying about it. His answer
> was wrong but you won't admit it because you are a lying phony.

Okay... I see now...
Thanks.
Bye.

--
---
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

"flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>You are a liar. Jeff was wrong and you are lying about it. His answer
>was wrong but you won't admit it because you are a lying phony.

Yep. I guessed wrong. You win. Congratulations.

Unfortunately, that doesn't solve your problem, doesn't effect Linksys
or CompUSA in the slightest, win you any friends, or fix your spelling
chequer.

If you search my previous postings for the word "guess(tm)" with
Google Groups, you'll find that I've used it 313 times in this
newsgroup in the last year or so. That's 313 times that someone has
neglected to supply sufficient information in order to answer what is
usually a simple question. Lately, it's become so common that I've
been ignoring such questions because I get tired of playing abusive,
arrogant, and obnoxious expert, while trying to extract what I
consider to be the absolute minimum information necessary to solve a
problem or answer a question:
1. What are you trying to accomplish? (One line is fine)
2. What do you have to work with? (hardware, software, versions)
3. Where are you stuck? (error messages, symptoms, clues).
There are other items that would be interesting, but these are the
basics.

It's not often that someone fails on all three. Usually they manage
to disclose at least one of the 3 questions. You missed on all of
them. I can't figure out what you're trying to accomplish beside
maintaining a dialog. You still haven't bothered to disclose the
model number of your Linksys hardware. You haven't given a clear
description of how your system has been "screwed". Myself and others
have done an exemplary job of guessing this information, to which
you've never even bothered to acknowledge if the guesses are correct.

Like I said, you win. Congratulation. Now what?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In article <bk5mq2pageg1kudmih9ibevdeqain4n907@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>"flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>
>>
>>> If you know how to fix it, then why are you whining here? Just go and
>>> fix it!
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>
>>Why are you here is all you want to do is put down peple who warn
>>others about bad products.
>>Jim
>
>Because you didn't put down the product. You didn't even bother to
>specify the product you bought at the recommendation of your expert
>friend. What you did was put down the manufacturer and the dealer. If
>you need help with the distinction, I'll be glad to explain.
>
>Meanwhile, here's your fix:
><http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...adp.php?p_faqi
>d=3536&p_created=1143766419&p_sid=DwSBoJri&p_acce ssibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcm
>NoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ 9MSZwX3Byb2RzPTgsMTQxOSZwX2Nhd
>HM9JnBfcHY9Mi4xNDE5JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2NmX2xhbmc9MSZwX3 BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXdl
>bGNvbWU*&p_li=&p_topview=1>
>No need to thank me. You already thought you knew the answer.
>

So instead of watching the ballgame(s) Sunday you've spent your time
feeding trolls. Interesting.

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.

In article <1ndoq2tcbs9879iflq9gbsv52qq8d6go25@4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>"flamestar" <agnifire@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>>You are a liar. Jeff was wrong and you are lying about it. His answer
>>was wrong but you won't admit it because you are a lying phony.
>
>Yep. I guessed wrong. You win. Congratulations.
>
>Unfortunately, that doesn't solve your problem, doesn't effect Linksys
>or CompUSA in the slightest, win you any friends, or fix your spelling
>chequer.

In one of his posts there is mention of a file GTGINA.DLL (my caps). Is
linksys suppling an alternate GINA to msgina.dll? This would of course
explain why people have problems logging in, but why would a vendor or
wireless products need to alter Windows authentication? Why would they want
to?

>
>If you search my previous postings for the word "guess(tm)" with
>Google Groups, you'll find that I've used it 313 times in this
>newsgroup in the last year or so. That's 313 times that someone has
>neglected to supply sufficient information in order to answer what is
>usually a simple question. Lately, it's become so common that I've
>been ignoring such questions because I get tired of playing abusive,
>arrogant, and obnoxious expert, while trying to extract what I
>consider to be the absolute minimum information necessary to solve a
>problem or answer a question:
>1. What are you trying to accomplish? (One line is fine)
>2. What do you have to work with? (hardware, software, versions)
>3. Where are you stuck? (error messages, symptoms, clues).
>There are other items that would be interesting, but these are the
>basics.
>
>It's not often that someone fails on all three. Usually they manage
>to disclose at least one of the 3 questions. You missed on all of
>them. I can't figure out what you're trying to accomplish beside
>maintaining a dialog. You still haven't bothered to disclose the
>model number of your Linksys hardware. You haven't given a clear
>description of how your system has been "screwed". Myself and others
>have done an exemplary job of guessing this information, to which
>you've never even bothered to acknowledge if the guesses are correct.
>
>Like I said, you win. Congratulation. Now what?
>

fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.

Steve wrote:

>> Oh yeah, thank you for another mindless and uninformative complaint.
>
>
> You know what... Linksys customers shouldn't have to put up with such
> shoddy software, and they shouldn't have to put alternative software on
> their products to make them work properly.
>
> But more importantly, they shouldn't have to put up with arrogant
> dickheads like you who are trolling the newgroups.
> --
> Steve Cole
> President, Kingston Online Services
> http://www.kos.net/|
> Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com

Uh, you bought the cheapest product available without doing any research,
and you are surprised that it isn't perfectly matched to your needs. :-P

And, speaking of arrogant dickheads, Jeff L. doesn't qualify -- he is one
of the most knowledgeable and helpful guys in this NG. I only see one
arrogant dickhead in this thread ...
--
Cheers, Bob

> Uh, you bought the cheapest product available without doing
> any research, and you are surprised that it isn't perfectly
> matched to your needs. :p

Incorrect. My needs include having one computer connected via wireless and one via ethernet, both of them for casual home use, very rarely any large transfers going on. Sometimes twice a day, the router stops passing packets, but is still connected via PPPoE according to the NAS. Linksys fails at that... and no downloadable update for my model.

And it wasn't the cheapest router on the shelf, and it came recommended by a number of people who should know - it just "locks up" irregularly, so to speak.

I'm sure the whole newsgroup thanks you two for being so "helpful."
--
Steve Cole
President, Kingston Online Services
http://www.kos.net/.
Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com

Steve wrote:
>> Uh, you bought the cheapest product available without doing any
>> research, and you are surprised that it isn't perfectly matched to
>> your needs. :p
>
> Incorrect. My needs include having one computer connected via wireless
> and one via ethernet, both of them for casual home use, very rarely any
> large transfers going on. Sometimes twice a day, the router stops
> passing packets, but is still connected via PPPoE according to the NAS.
> Linksys fails at that... and no downloadable update for my model.
>
> And it wasn't the cheapest router on the shelf, and it came recommended
> by a number of people who should know - it just "locks up" irregularly,
> so to speak.
>
> I'm sure the whole newsgroup thanks you two for being so "helpful."
> --
> Steve Cole
> President, Kingston Online Services
> http://www.kos.net/.
> Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com
After reading your posts, I still can't find where you asked for help.
If you really want help. instead of merely acting stupid, post your
model and version and faults.

rico_001@hotmail.com (Rico) hath wroth:

>In one of his posts there is mention of a file GTGINA.DLL (my caps). Is
>linksys suppling an alternate GINA to msgina.dll?

Yes, I think that's what's happening. Linksys decided that in order
to impliment LEAP authentication, it needed to replace the MSGINA
(Microsoft Graphical Identification and Authentication):
<http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=3536>

Replacing MSGINA is supported by Microsoft, so Linksys didn't do
anything evil or devious. MS even supplies instructions on how to do
it:
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810756>
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/maintain/security/msgina.mspx>
<http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa378750.aspx>
However, LEAP is not used or worth the effort for most users. Having
a major component replaced for a feature rarely used is rather a lousy
idea. In addition, there are other applications that replace MSGINA,
such as PcAnywhere, Novell Client, various kerberos clients, some VPN
clients, single signon systems, fingerprint ID systems, just about all
remote control software, etc. I'll leave what happens to the Linksys
install if you have one of these already installed an open question.

Note that the solution to the problem is apparently to replace
GTGINA.DLL with the original MSGINA.DLL as recommened in the above URL
under "Recovering From a GINA-related System Failure". I haven't
tried it.

>This would of course
>explain why people have problems logging in, but why would a vendor or
>wireless products need to alter Windows authentication? Why would they want
>to?

The vague Linksys "answer id=3536" noted above says that it was to
impliment LEAP authentication. I have my doubts if it was necessary
or desireable to replace the existing authentication module. It just
might be, but I are not a programmist.

As for spending Sunday feeding the trools, I've been under house
arrest since Weds with various maladies and am having problems
concentrating. Fortunately, posting usenet answers does not require
much effort and provides a suitable alternative to TV.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:52:34 -0500, in alt.internet.wireless , Steve
<shaman[at]kos[dot]net> wrote:

>But more importantly, they shouldn't have to put up with arrogant dickheads like you who are trolling the newgroups.
>--
>Steve Cole
>President, Kingston Online Services

You claim to be the chairman of an online services company, and you
speak to people like that. Your stock just dropped sharply.

Oh, and by the way, you just flamed one of hte most knowledgeable
posters here. Congrats.
--
Mark McIntyre

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:12:35 -0500, in alt.internet.wireless , Steve
<shaman[at]kos[dot]net> wrote:

>I'm sure the whole newsgroup thanks you two for being so "helpful."

Just for the record, I personally thank Jeff for his extremely helpful
posts over the years. Without his considerable knowledge, this would
be a much less useful group.

And steve, you didn't ask for help, you just flamed people.
Nonetheless Jeff tried to assist as best he could, by asking for
appropriate details in order to (for free and on his own time)
diagnose the problem.
--
Mark McIntyre

I won't be directing anybody here for this sort of "help," I assure you.
--
Steve Cole
President, Kingston Online Services
http://www.kos.net/.
Posted from WISP Forums: www.wispforums.com

Steve <shaman[at]kos[dot]net> hath wroth:

>> Uh, you bought the cheapest product available without doing
>> any research, and you are surprised that it isn't perfectly
>> matched to your needs. :p

>Incorrect. My needs include having one computer connected via wireless
>and one via ethernet, both of them for casual home use, very rarely any
>large transfers going on. Sometimes twice a day, the router stops passing
>packets, but is still connected via PPPoE according to the NAS.
>Linksys fails at that... and no downloadable update for my model.
>And it wasn't the cheapest router on the shelf, and it came recommended
>by a number of people who should know - it just "locks up" irregularly,
>so to speak.

That's because it's not a problem that can be solved in firmware.
It's probably a WRT54G version 5.0 or 6.0. You'll find the version
number on the serial number tag. I did battle with a few of these
losers and ended up exchanging them for other routers. The problem
was very similar to what you describe. I've commented on these
models in the past in alt.internet.wireless. Also see:
<http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/26843/51/>
which has been available since June 2006. My experience has been
that firmware changes to DD-WRT would not solve the erratic hangs
and failures to pass traffic from existing connections. A reboot
would fix the problems, but that's unacceptable for most users.
There were other problems that I found with the v5, but I don't
want to spend hours on this.

>I'm sure the whole newsgroup thanks you two for being so "helpful."

No problem. Perhaps I owe you an explanation. I don't have any
problems with complains, rants, denunciations, and generalizations.
I do these myself on ocassion. It's when someone delivers one of
these without any substantiation that I find it necessary to ask
for details. These "one-line" comments are what has polluted and
ruined many mailing lists and blogs. The author of the previous
"one-line" denunciation of Linksys and CompUSA eventually supplied
the missing substantiations. You didn't.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558