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Old 04-17-2007, 08:53 PM
carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com
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My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know if
I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I have a better
connection to his router than I would with an indoor antenna? Does anyone
have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am new and would appreciate
some advise.

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Old 04-18-2007, 03:24 AM
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carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com wrote:
> My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know if
> I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I have a better
> connection to his router than I would with an indoor antenna? Does anyone
> have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am new and would appreciate
> some advise.
>

Do you have line of sight ?

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Old 04-18-2007, 03:57 AM
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atec77' <""atec77 \"@ HoTMaIl.COM"> wrote:
> carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com wrote:
> > My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know if
> > I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I have a
> > better connection to his router than I would with an indoor antenna?
> > Does anyone have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am new and
> > would appreciate some advise.
> >

> Do you have line of sight ?



Yes, line of sight although his router is indoors.

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Old 04-18-2007, 05:03 PM
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On Apr 17, 10:57 pm, ®©®@©.®©® wrote:
> atec77' <""atec77 \"@ HoTMaIl.COM"> wrote:
>
> > carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com wrote:
> > > My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know if
> > > I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I have a
> > > better connection to his router than I would with an indoor antenna?
> > > Does anyone have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am new and
> > > would appreciate some advise.

>
> > Do you have line of sight ?

>
> Yes, line of sight although his router is indoors.
>
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"Indoors" doesn't really answer the question. Unless you mean you can
literally see his router's antenna from location of yours.

What is in the line-of-sight?
Masonry, 3 interior walls, foil insulation, metal siding, single pane
of glass, what?
Does he have a directional antenna? Oriented how?

J


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Old 04-18-2007, 10:54 PM
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barry@sme-online.com wrote:
> On Apr 17, 10:57 pm, =AE=A9=AE@=A9.=AE=A9=AE wrote:
> > atec77' <""atec77 \"@ HoTMaIl.COM"> wrote:
> >
> > > carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know
> > > > if I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I
> > > > have a better connection to his router than I would with an indoor
> > > > antenna? Does anyone have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am
> > > > new and would appreciate some advise.

> >
> > > Do you have line of sight ?

> >
> > Yes, line of sight although his router is indoors.
> >
> > --
> > .

>
> "Indoors" doesn't really answer the question. Unless you mean you can
> literally see his router's antenna from location of yours.
>
> What is in the line-of-sight?
> Masonry, 3 interior walls, foil insulation, metal siding, single pane
> of glass, what?
> Does he have a directional antenna? Oriented how?
>
> J


We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.
What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?

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Old 04-18-2007, 11:11 PM
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On 18 Apr 2007 21:54:48 GMT, ®©®@©.®©® wrote in
<20070418175451.517$mU@newsreader.com>:

>We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.


Mush depends on how many walls are between you, and what's in those
walls.

>What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
>would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?


Not necessarily -- that high a gain omni would be difficult to aim and
keep aimed. Consider instead a directional antenna.

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Old 04-19-2007, 01:13 AM
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..).@)..). wrote:
> We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.
> What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
> would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?


Stucco might be bad because of the wire mesh used to hold the stucco.
But line of sight isn't necessarily the path taken by RF. I get better
signal through some non-aligned windows than direct line of site through
walls.

A 15dBi "omni" antenna would be a bad thing for this application.
You start out with "i", a single point of an antenna, radiating evenly in
all directions, a round balloon of RF. Then you squish it, giving a donut
shape, still the same volume of RF, but sticking out about 2dBi father, but
not as tall, in a typical rubber duckie stock antenna.

Squish it really flat, and it's a larger plate, still the same volume,
reaching much farther out to each point on a circle, but not very tall at
all. That might be 15dBi gain to the edges of the plate, but it's a thin
plate, hard to aim, and you are throwing a lot of energy out in unneeded
portions of that circle.

Take the same balloon of RF, and squeeze it into an open book, angling the
cover of the book at 90 degrees, and you get a directional antenna,
sticking out 10dBi in the direction that you want, and a taller vertical
radiation pattern. A directional antenna of moderate gain will be easier
to keep on target than a high gain omni.

http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/w...fer-dining.JPG The signal with
the reflector is not only 13dB stronger, it's more stable. Free, easy to
build (make the tabs longer than indicated), and you can check out the
effect of directional antennas without investing a lot of time or money.
Depending on the results, you might want higher gain antennas, or locate
antennas outdoors, or in a window, or give up altogether.

I have also used the "Hawking HAI6SDA Directional 6dBi 2.4GHz Antenna" with
good success on a Netgear WG311 PCI card. $20-30.
<http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=32&FamID=58&ProdID=122>
The one I bought fit the Netgear, and had an adapter that fit RP-TNC.

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Old 04-19-2007, 02:29 AM
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my bi-quad is almost 14db and i can hit a cheapo ap over a mile away with
perfect LOS.

There are a few non LOS ap's on the next block i can only hit when in the
right spot. Standing on the roof made the signal unstable but the bottom
right hand corner was perfect for 1.

If u got perfect LOS maybe just a cantenna would be fine..


Joe.


<carleeniet@donotspam!yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> My brother lives behind us approx. 500 feet. I would like to know if
> I put a 15db gain Comet fiberglass antenna on my roof would I have a
> better
> connection to his router than I would with an indoor antenna? Does anyone
> have antenna suggestions for me? Thanks, I am new and would appreciate
> some advise.
>
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:16 PM
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Hoyou aim an omni?

Joe.


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> On 18 Apr 2007 21:54:48 GMT, ®©®@©.®©® wrote in
> <20070418175451.517$mU@newsreader.com>:
>
>>We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.

>
> Mush depends on how many walls are between you, and what's in those
> walls.
>
>>What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
>>would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?

>
> Not necessarily -- that high a gain omni would be difficult to aim and
> keep aimed. Consider instead a directional antenna.
>
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> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:17 PM
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:16:36 +0100, "Forster Tuncurry"
<news.proxy.au@telstra.com> wrote in <4626b54d$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:

>Hoyou aim an omni?


A high-gain omni has a pattern like a horizontal frisbie, so vertical
aiming becomes critical.

p.s. Please don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread
-- it makes the thread confusing and hard to follow. Thanks.

>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:dp5d23l50420i0v3f2pqna796vb5glgo9p@4ax.com.. .
>> On 18 Apr 2007 21:54:48 GMT, ®©®@©.®©® wrote in
>> <20070418175451.517$mU@newsreader.com>:
>>
>>>We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.

>>
>> Mush depends on how many walls are between you, and what's in those
>> walls.
>>
>>>What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
>>>would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?

>>
>> Not necessarily -- that high a gain omni would be difficult to aim and
>> keep aimed. Consider instead a directional antenna.


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Old 04-20-2007, 01:47 PM
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I have noticed users with low signal when above or to low of a 15 db but at
a distance i didn't find it too harsh. From level 3 (level with the antenna)
signal was perfect and at level 20 the signal was low but stable and usable.
In the next town over level 24 was good signal and level 3 perfect again.
The donut is squashed but not to a unusable fine point. There are lower gain
antennas on the market if u want a different donut.

J.


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> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:16:36 +0100, "Forster Tuncurry"
> <news.proxy.au@telstra.com> wrote in <4626b54d$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>
>>Hoyou aim an omni?

>
> A high-gain omni has a pattern like a horizontal frisbie, so vertical
> aiming becomes critical.
>
> p.s. Please don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread
> -- it makes the thread confusing and hard to follow. Thanks.
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> On 18 Apr 2007 21:54:48 GMT, ®©®@©.®©® wrote in
>>> <20070418175451.517$mU@newsreader.com>:
>>>
>>>>We are both in stucco houses and his router is on a desk in a bedroom.
>>>
>>> Mush depends on how many walls are between you, and what's in those
>>> walls.
>>>
>>>>What would happen if I installed a 15db gain vertical whip antenna? It
>>>>would have to work better than my rubber ducky on a Senoa card right?
>>>
>>> Not necessarily -- that high a gain omni would be difficult to aim and
>>> keep aimed. Consider instead a directional antenna.

>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>




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