The router works well, use it for streaming NetFlix as well as the normal Internet activity. There is one problem that periodically rears its head, itlocks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself. I have tried to contact Belkin several times to ask if there is a reset solution using some combination of keys on the keyboard. Cannot get to anyone at the company who may know something about keyboard reset, therefore is there someone on this site who can answer this question one way or another?
Oh, the router is in the basement connected to the main computer, the wife's computer and a laptop are used primarily upstairs where, when the problemarises, it is necessary to go downstairs to do the reset.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:57:53 -0800 (PST), Mick McGuire
<mcguireham@gmail.com> wrote:
>The router works well, use it for streaming NetFlix as well as the normal Internet activity. There is one problem that periodically rears its head, it locks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself. I have tried to contact Belkin several times to ask if there is a reset solution using some combination of keys on the keyboard. Cannot get to anyone at the company who may know something about keyboard reset, therefore is there someone on this site who can answer this question one way or another?
>
>Oh, the router is in the basement connected to the main computer, the wife's computer and a laptop are used primarily upstairs where, when the problem arises, it is necessary to go downstairs to do the reset.
>
>Thank you for thinking about this problem.
Get a two-station intercom, placing one station near the router and
the other station near your office. Place a "clap on, clap off"
controller near the router, and plug the router into it. When you need
to do a power reset, hit the intercom button and clap twice to turn
the router off. Clap another two times to turn it on again.
No, I'm not serious. :-)
Does the router have a firmware upgrade available? If so, even if the
release notes don't mention a fix for this particular problem, it
might be worth it to upgrade to see if the situation gets better.
> The router works well, use it for streaming NetFlix as well as the normal
> Internet activity. There is one problem that periodically rears its head,
> it locks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself. I have tried to
> contact Belkin several times to ask if there is a reset solution using
> some combination of keys on the keyboard. Cannot get to anyone at the
> company who may know something about keyboard reset, therefore is there
> someone on this site who can answer this question one way or another?
Every consumer-grade router I've ever seen has a reset button behind a
little hole that requires a paperclip or similar to press. Forget the
keyboard combination. Does your router even have a keyboard?
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:41:53 +0000, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Mick McGuire (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> The router works well, use it for streaming NetFlix as well as the normal
>> Internet activity. There is one problem that periodically rears its head,
>> it locks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself. I have tried to
>> contact Belkin several times to ask if there is a reset solution using
>> some combination of keys on the keyboard. Cannot get to anyone at the
>> company who may know something about keyboard reset, therefore is there
>> someone on this site who can answer this question one way or another?
>
>Every consumer-grade router I've ever seen has a reset button behind a
>little hole that requires a paperclip or similar to press. Forget the
>keyboard combination. Does your router even have a keyboard?
I believe he was asking about a remote reset capability and not a
situation where a keyboard is connected to the router. His router is
apparently in his basement, out of the way.
The problem is the vendor made their money. Support is an expense.
Watchdog timer chips have been with us for over two decades. It's about
time these vendors learn to use them. Or set up a scheme with multiple
uPs to watch dog each other. This isn't rocket science. In the mid 80s,
we were rolling our own watchdog scheme in modem chips just to insure
the logic doesn't lock. People will accept a device that burps once in a
while, but lockup is just a pain in the ***.
There are routers in freakin' mountaintop shacks these days. Lots of
remote measurement is done via wifi. Nothing like having to drive a hour
to hit the reset button.
Enough of the ranting...has anyone used a router with Broadcom chips?
Maybe we need a break from Cisco. I noticed Apple went with broadcom,
not that Apple is known for making good routers.
miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:
> The problem is the vendor made their money. Support is an expense.
>
> Watchdog timer chips have been with us for over two decades. It's about
> time these vendors learn to use them. Or set up a scheme with multiple
> uPs to watch dog each other. This isn't rocket science. In the mid 80s,
> we were rolling our own watchdog scheme in modem chips just to insure the
> logic doesn't lock. People will accept a device that burps once in a
> while, but lockup is just a pain in the ***.
>
> There are routers in freakin' mountaintop shacks these days. Lots of
> remote measurement is done via wifi. Nothing like having to drive a hour
> to hit the reset button.
>
> Enough of the ranting...has anyone used a router with Broadcom chips?
> Maybe we need a break from Cisco. I noticed Apple went with broadcom, not
> that Apple is known for making good routers.
Just today I had to reset my netgear. New laptop comes with problems. Seems
to have locked on that particular ip. Printer and iPad worked fine. I was
looking at router, and ip and name were blanks. I originally had to install
printer 64 bit driver.
Last time I was on laptop installed infinity nortons. Hope it keeps
working.
Netgear has it's fans, but I have had nothing but problems with the two
Netgear routers I've own. I ***** about Cisco/Linksys, but probably they
are the least amount of trouble.
I had a SMC once. Really crappy service. Thus far my Dlink switches have
been trouble free.
And of course somebody will post Netgear is great, Dlink is junk.
> Mick McGuire (for it is he) wrote:
>
>> There is one problem that periodically rears its head,
>> it locks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself.
> Every consumer-grade router I've ever seen has a reset button behind a
> little hole
Having re-read this, it seems likely that the OP wants a way to reboot his
router, not reset it, which is what putting a paperclip into the reset hole
will do. So please don't follow my advice to do that if all you want to do
is reboot it.
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I have a remote switch that I bought from Radio Shack. I use it to turn
my entertainment center "off" when through for the day.
That was some time back, and not all Radio Shack personnel know what you
are talking about, when you say an AC remote switch(inline). You might
check Amazon, I have seen them there.
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:07:25 -0800, fiveiron27@msn.com (Five Iron)
wrote:
>I have a remote switch that I bought from Radio Shack. I use it to turn
>my entertainment center "off" when through for the day.
>
>That was some time back, and not all Radio Shack personnel know what you
>are talking about, when you say an AC remote switch(inline). You might
>check Amazon, I have seen them there.
I Googled "wireless remote AC power switch" and this was the first
hit. <http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/wireless-ac-power-switch.html>
I have no doubt that Amazon also has them, as you say.
Some of them claim to have 100 meters of control distance, which just
may be enough for the OP.
All of that reminds me that just last Saturday morning, on one of
those PBS home improvement programs, the guy installed one of these
wireless remote AC power switches.
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:57:53 -0800 (PST), Mick McGuire
<mcguireham@gmail.com> wrote:
>The router works well, use it for streaming NetFlix as well as the normal Internet activity. There is one problem that periodically rears its head, it locks up requiring a hard reset at the router itself. I have tried to contact Belkin several times to ask if there is a reset solution using some combination of keys on the keyboard. Cannot get to anyone at the company who may know something about keyboard reset, therefore is there someone on this site who can answer this question one way or another?
>
>Oh, the router is in the basement connected to the main computer, the wife's computer and a laptop are used primarily upstairs where, when the problem arises, it is necessary to go downstairs to do the reset.
>
>Thank you for thinking about this problem.
Good description, but you've mixed up a few buzzwords.
A "hard reset" means cleaning all the settings. I don't think that's
what you want. My guess(tm) is you want a reboot.
Others have supplied good suggestions. I had a similar problem with
hanging routers on mountain top sites. A drive up a dirt mountain
road in the middle of the night was not my idea of fun. So, I
installed a mechanical, and later an electronic, timer. Once a day,
at roughly after midnight, the timer would disconnect power from the
router (and modem) for about a minute, and then reapply power. It
worked nicely until routers started being equipment with automatic
reboot features in the firmware, such as with DD-WRT.
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:07:25 -0800, fiveiron27@msn.com (Five Iron)
> wrote:
>
>> I have a remote switch that I bought from Radio Shack. I use it to turn
>> my entertainment center "off" when through for the day.
>>
>> That was some time back, and not all Radio Shack personnel know what you
>> are talking about, when you say an AC remote switch(inline). You might
>> check Amazon, I have seen them there.
>
> I Googled "wireless remote AC power switch" and this was the first
> hit. <http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/wireless-ac-power-switch.html>
> I have no doubt that Amazon also has them, as you say.
>
> Some of them claim to have 100 meters of control distance, which just
> may be enough for the OP.
>
> All of that reminds me that just last Saturday morning, on one of
> those PBS home improvement programs, the guy installed one of these
> wireless remote AC power switches.
I bought two from amazon last summer. One still in pack. I see no channel
management. You could get in a war with a neighbor. Mine has the remote 12
volt battery which is more expensive to replace.
> Good description, but you've mixed up a few buzzwords.
> A "hard reset" means cleaning all the settings. I don't think that's
> what you want. My guess(tm) is you want a reboot.
>
> Others have supplied good suggestions. I had a similar problem with
> hanging routers on mountain top sites. A drive up a dirt mountain
> road in the middle of the night was not my idea of fun. So, I
> installed a mechanical, and later an electronic, timer. Once a day,
> at roughly after midnight, the timer would disconnect power from the
> router (and modem) for about a minute, and then reapply power. It
> worked nicely until routers started being equipment with automatic
> reboot features in the firmware, such as with DD-WRT.
>
>
>
But but but ...
This shouldn't be necessary. The freakin' routers should not lock up. Argh!
I just hate the mentality of computer people. This "boot it" or "patch
the program" crap drives me crazy. Think of the landfill requirement if
hardware designers were as sloppy as programmers. I caused a recall one
for a design error not caught. It isn't pretty.
On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:40:50 -0800, miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:
>But but but ...
>This shouldn't be necessary. The freakin' routers should not lock up. Argh!
In a perfect world, that's true. However, reality sucks, and cheap
routers are far from perfect. Some of the traffic might cause router
hangs, such as huge number of bittorrent streams, and various expoits.
<http://www.pcflank.com/exploits.htm>
Try the router exp1oits test.
More often, it's not a firmware problem. It's corrupted RAM caused by
a power glitch, cosmic rays, radioactivity, a magnetic field from a
nearby switching power supply. A few bits get toggled in RAM. Days
later, the router finally needs to use that area of RAM, and the
router crashes. Parity or error-correcting RAM would solve the
problem, but that costs real money.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error>
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> In a perfect world, that's true. However, reality sucks, and cheap
> routers are far from perfect. Some of the traffic might cause router
> hangs, such as huge number of bittorrent streams, and various expoits.
> <http://www.pcflank.com/exploits.htm>
> Try the router exp1oits test.
>
> More often, it's not a firmware problem. It's corrupted RAM caused by
> a power glitch, cosmic rays, radioactivity, a magnetic field from a
> nearby switching power supply. A few bits get toggled in RAM. Days
> later, the router finally needs to use that area of RAM, and the
> router crashes. Parity or error-correcting RAM would solve the
> problem, but that costs real money.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error>
Error correction and such would be for non-stop functionality. A
watchdog timer would simply reboot them system should the program get
goofy. You might get a hiccup, but wouldn't have to boot the system.
I've put watchdog timers in chips strictly so they don't lock. Nobody
notices the burp. They notice the thing dead in the water. It causes
phone calls.
Software watchdogs are simple. The real time programming is generally
setup in modules that execute in no more than a set number of cycles.
The modules are called by a master control program. This program resets
the watchdog as part of the process of calling the modules. If the
software gets hung, the watchdog barks, the system boots.
Hardware watchdogs are similar except you use a timer circuit. Take a
SMPS for example. You set the watchdog timer period so that the slowest
expected switching will kick the watchdog before it goes off. People
expect to do completely stupid things like short out traces on a PCB or
short a pin on a chip and not have the thing lockup. In fact, a lockup
on a SMPS could smoke. Besides a thermal safety scheme and over current,
you put in the watchdog. Failure is not an option, occasional farting is
acceptable.
In reality, no actual operation should be shorting out pins and such.
But in the evaluation phase of a product, some scope probe slip could
ground a pin. You lock up in eval mode, you don't get the follow on
business.
The wifi locked up today on my router. The router wired ports themselves
kept going. Hooking up a WAP sounds better all the time.
I survived the PC Flank test. Maybe I'll try a snail mail letter to
Cisco first.
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