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Old 11-02-2005, 03:12 PM
LurfysMa
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Default Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

The cable company (Comcast) is coming out next week to install
broadband. I have decided to install a wireless router -- partly so
they don't have to pull cables into the upstairs home office and
partly so I will have portability for my laptop.

Does it make much difference where the wireless router goes?

We have an average-size 2-story house. Can it go on the first floor?

The current cable (for TV) comes in under the house and then goes up
through the floor to the first floor rooms. There is a study on the
first floor with a closet that would be a great place for the wireless
router. Would that work?

If there are signal problems, I am willing to put in repeaters or
whatever.

Does the wireless router need to be away from other electronic devices
such as TVs, VCRs, TiVos, etc? I was thinking about putting a spare
computer in that study for the grandkids to use.

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

> Does it make much difference where the wireless router goes?

It can make a big difference.

> We have an average-size 2-story house. Can it go on the first floor?


Doesn't mean much. What sort of construction etc etc.

> first floor with a closet that would be a great place for the wireless
> router. Would that work?


Maybe. :)

> Does the wireless router need to be away from other electronic devices
> such as TVs, VCRs, TiVos, etc? I was thinking about putting a spare


Shouldn't make much difference with those although if you have video
senders, 2.4GHz cordless phones or similar then you could have problems.

Sorry to sound vague but that's life with wireless, it's a weak signal
to start with, if you can get the router pretty much central and you
don't have concrete or metal lined walls then you could be ok.

Easiest way is to get the router first, then place it at different parts
of the house and see what sort of signal you get from a laptop at
various places around the house.

When you're happy, that's where to put the router and that's where the
cable guy needs to go.

David.

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:05:38 GMT, David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>> Does it make much difference where the wireless router goes?

>
>It can make a big difference.
>
>> We have an average-size 2-story house. Can it go on the first floor?

>
>Doesn't mean much. What sort of construction etc etc.


House was built in the 40s. Standard 2x4 studs, sheetrock, stucco
exterior.

>> first floor with a closet that would be a great place for the wireless
>> router. Would that work?

>
>Maybe. :)
>
>> Does the wireless router need to be away from other electronic devices
>> such as TVs, VCRs, TiVos, etc? I was thinking about putting a spare

>
>Shouldn't make much difference with those although if you have video
>senders, 2.4GHz cordless phones or similar then you could have problems.


We do have two different 2.4GHz cordless phone systems. We are also
doing some remodeling and I was considering getting some kind of a
wireless video system to send the TiVo output from one room to the new
adjacent exercise room.

>Sorry to sound vague but that's life with wireless, it's a weak signal
>to start with, if you can get the router pretty much central and you
>don't have concrete or metal lined walls then you could be ok.


No concrete or sheet metal in the walls.

>Easiest way is to get the router first, then place it at different parts
>of the house and see what sort of signal you get from a laptop at
>various places around the house.
>
>When you're happy, that's where to put the router and that's where the
>cable guy needs to go.


You mean I can get the wireless router now and do some testing without
it being connected to the cable?

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:36 PM
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:12:33 -0800, LurfysMa <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>The cable company (Comcast) is coming out next week to install
>broadband. I have decided to install a wireless router -- partly so
>they don't have to pull cables into the upstairs home office and
>partly so I will have portability for my laptop.
>
>Does it make much difference where the wireless router goes?


Yes. Rule of thumb is by number of walls and construction type.
One wall is usually not a problem.
Two walls is somewhat difficult.
Three walls is next to useless.
If you have aluminium foil backed insulation in the walls, it won't
work. If your house is made from concrete or steel (you live in a
jail), then it won't work.

>We have an average-size 2-story house. Can it go on the first floor?


Average size for what area? Do you have some aversion to supplying
numbers?

If you expect coverage between floors, the major limitation is the
construction of the floor. Modern houses often install insulation in
the floors for sound deadening and environmental isolation. If it has
aluminium foil backing, you will have problems. Again, count the
number of walls (including the floor).

Also, the vertical antenna found on most cheapo wireless router does
not radiate very well straight up or down. Try to get a router that
has two antennas (for diversity) and set one vertically for the first
floor, and the other horizontally, for going up to the 2nd floor.

>The current cable (for TV) comes in under the house and then goes up
>through the floor to the first floor rooms. There is a study on the
>first floor with a closet that would be a great place for the wireless
>router. Would that work?


No. That would be the absolute worst place to locate a wireless
system. The radio part needs to be in the middle of the area where
the computers are located and as close as possible. Burying the
wireless is not a great idea.

I always recommend a more complex and expensive solution. Comcrash
will be supplying you with a cable modem (Motorola BitSuffer). Buy an
ethernet router (non-wireless) and locate these almost anywhere you
find convenient. The closet is fine as long as there's ventillation.
Then, buy either a wireless access point or a wireless router
configured as an access point. This should be located in some
optimium RF location, as high up as possible, as clear of obstructions
as possible, and going through as few walls as possible. There will
be one CAT5 cable between the ethernet router and the wireless device.

>If there are signal problems, I am willing to put in repeaters or
>whatever.


Think about using WDS type routers as repeaters. There are also
wireless bridges that use the power line for interconnection.

>Does the wireless router need to be away from other electronic devices
>such as TVs, VCRs, TiVos, etc? I was thinking about putting a spare
>computer in that study for the grandkids to use.


I can see a bit of junk on my TV coming from the wireless at a
distance of about 1ft. 2.4GHz cordless phones are fatal. Same with
some microwave ovens, 2.4GHz wireless security cameras, and anything
else that operates on 2.4GHz. Take inventory.

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

In article <arthm19p63nvvll23c3gnft9ol6l25q4i0@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid says...
> You mean I can get the wireless router now and do some testing without
> it being connected to the cable?


Sure. The only bit that the cable connection will give you is internet
access.

Go ahead and play with the router location. You might also want to
connect a PC to it and do a ping between the two machines as you move
around.

David.

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Old 11-02-2005, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:52:37 GMT, David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>In article <arthm19p63nvvll23c3gnft9ol6l25q4i0@4ax.com>,
>invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>> You mean I can get the wireless router now and do some testing without
>> it being connected to the cable?

>
>Sure. The only bit that the cable connection will give you is internet
>access.
>
>Go ahead and play with the router location. You might also want to
>connect a PC to it and do a ping between the two machines as you move
>around.


Got it. That's a great idea.

Any recommendations on wireless routers? I am willing to pay for
reliability and usability. This is mainly for business use so I need
it reliable.

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Old 11-03-2005, 05:06 AM
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"LurfysMa" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:tk3im112itkjltn0bvnqujhlu0iahgd43v@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:52:37 GMT, David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <arthm19p63nvvll23c3gnft9ol6l25q4i0@4ax.com>,
>>invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>>> You mean I can get the wireless router now and do some testing without
>>> it being connected to the cable?

>>
>>Sure. The only bit that the cable connection will give you is internet
>>access.
>>
>>Go ahead and play with the router location. You might also want to
>>connect a PC to it and do a ping between the two machines as you move
>>around.

>
> Got it. That's a great idea.
>
> Any recommendations on wireless routers? I am willing to pay for
> reliability and usability. This is mainly for business use so I need
> it reliable.
>
> --
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General consensus from this group will lead you to the Linksys WRT54G; rock
solid and with 3rd party customisable firmware, you can't go wrong with it.



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Old 11-03-2005, 06:38 AM
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Default Re: Best location for wireless router in 2-story home?

David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In article <arthm19p63nvvll23c3gnft9ol6l25q4i0@4ax.com>,
> invalid@invalid.invalid says...
>> You mean I can get the wireless router now and do some testing without
>> it being connected to the cable?


> Sure. The only bit that the cable connection will give you is internet
> access.


Almost.
Some routers are rumored to get annoyed and eventually lock up if they
don't get a DHCP address assigned on the WAN side.

I haven't had this happen to me, and I always configure routers before
connecting them to a WAN, but it has been said.

If you run into trouble, you might set some static address for the router.
192.168.27.101 woudl work, as long as 192.168.27.xxx is _not_ the same as
your LAN side of this router.

You can set it back to dhcp, or automatic, or PPoE, or whatever it's
supposed to be, when you actually hook something on the WAN side.

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