Bridge Configuration Issue

Apologies in advance if this has been asked/answered before but I
haven't found it.

I'm using an Engenius/Senao 3220 on my boat, configured as a bridge,
to access shore based access points. It is set up with an IP address
of 192.168.1.3 which is used to access its internal configuration
menus via http, web browser, etc.

I ran into an interesting issue this morning accessing a commercial
access point which redirects all http traffic to its own sign on page.
Once the bridge has been reconfigured with the SSID of this site, and
has connected, I can no longer access anything else which means that I
am prevented from further reconfiguration to switch the SSID back to
some other access point. I thought originally that this redirection
was being done with a proxy server which I could avoid by changing
browser settings but that is not the case.

I was able to work around the issue by disconnecting the antenna to
the 3220 which prevented connection to the commercial site and allowed
me back into the internal set up pages. Although this works I'd
prefer a more elegant solution which would prevent the redirection of
192.168.1.3. Sometime in the future I may remount the 3220 on a
higher point which may make it difficult to access the antenna
connections.

Any suggestions?

"Wayne.B" <waynebatrecdotboats@hothail.com> wrote in message
news:n3nc93568sinaro7i6ggbqbc0d6eo3ntca@4ax.com...
> Apologies in advance if this has been asked/answered before but I
> haven't found it.
>
> I'm using an Engenius/Senao 3220 on my boat, configured as a bridge,
> to access shore based access points. It is set up with an IP address
> of 192.168.1.3 which is used to access its internal configuration
> menus via http, web browser, etc.
>
> I ran into an interesting issue this morning accessing a commercial
> access point which redirects all http traffic to its own sign on page.
> Once the bridge has been reconfigured with the SSID of this site, and
> has connected, I can no longer access anything else which means that I
> am prevented from further reconfiguration to switch the SSID back to
> some other access point. I thought originally that this redirection
> was being done with a proxy server which I could avoid by changing
> browser settings but that is not the case.
>
> I was able to work around the issue by disconnecting the antenna to
> the 3220 which prevented connection to the commercial site and allowed
> me back into the internal set up pages. Although this works I'd
> prefer a more elegant solution which would prevent the redirection of
> 192.168.1.3. Sometime in the future I may remount the 3220 on a
> higher point which may make it difficult to access the antenna
> connections.
>
> Any suggestions?

* That's an interesting phenomenon. I'll have to investigate these
Engenius/Senao some more. But for the immediate it might be interesting for
you to investigate your IP Settings while "into" that Access Point SSID of
which you speak. Do an "ipconfig /all" if you are in Windows, in a CMD
prompt.

Start > Run > cmd [OK].

ipconfig /all

See what ip addresses are popping up for what. Also might want to see
"netstat -r" and see what your routes look like.

Is the Senao acting only as a bridge? Or also as a Bridge + Router? Because
the question is where is the IP Address assignment coming from? If you are
getting an IP Address on your CAT5/LAN interface on the computer, then it is
coming via DHCP from somewhere. That somewhere will be the DHCP SERVER and
typically the Default Gateway, and maybe even also the DNS Server. If the
Hotspot took you off of the 192.168.1.X subnet then that would kill your
access to your senao.

This is starting to sound like a consultation :-) Where are you located?

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:33:14 -0400, "Alan Spicer"
<aspicer@marinetelecom.net> wrote:

>Is the Senao acting only as a bridge? Or also as a Bridge + Router?

Supposedly it is acting as a bridge only. There is a configuration
mode for "Bridge + Router" but it is not well documented and I haven't
tried it. Resetting the 3220 once it has been "bricked" via bad
settings is not a fun process.

> Because
>the question is where is the IP Address assignment coming from?

My laptop IP is coming from the 3220 which is configured as a DHCP
server. It is being assigned the first IP in the specified range
which is 192.168.1.50 through 192.168.1.59. Gateway IP and DNS are
being assigned by the shore based AP, don't recall what they were when
I was connected to the "problem" AP. I'll try it again tomorrow and
take some notes.

>If you are
>getting an IP Address on your CAT5/LAN interface on the computer, then it is
>coming via DHCP from somewhere.

See above.

> That somewhere will be the DHCP SERVER and
>typically the Default Gateway, and maybe even also the DNS Server. If the
>Hotspot took you off of the 192.168.1.X subnet then that would kill your
>access to your senao.

I understand your point. Would that be the default gateway "off the
subnet"? My assigned IP coming from the 3220 DHCP server should have
still been within the subnet.
>
>This is starting to sound like a consultation :-) Where are you located?

I'm in south western CT at the moment, getting ready to head east
toward the Cape Cod islands in a day or two.

http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cg...=W2TLI&terra=1

"Wayne.B" <waynebatrecdotboats@hothail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:33:14 -0400, "Alan Spicer"
> <aspicer@marinetelecom.net> wrote:
>
>>Is the Senao acting only as a bridge? Or also as a Bridge + Router?
>
> Supposedly it is acting as a bridge only. There is a configuration
> mode for "Bridge + Router" but it is not well documented and I haven't
> tried it. Resetting the 3220 once it has been "bricked" via bad
> settings is not a fun process.
>
>> Because
>>the question is where is the IP Address assignment coming from?
>
> My laptop IP is coming from the 3220 which is configured as a DHCP
> server. It is being assigned the first IP in the specified range
> which is 192.168.1.50 through 192.168.1.59. Gateway IP and DNS are
> being assigned by the shore based AP, don't recall what they were when
> I was connected to the "problem" AP. I'll try it again tomorrow and
> take some notes.
>
>>If you are
>>getting an IP Address on your CAT5/LAN interface on the computer, then it
>>is
>>coming via DHCP from somewhere.
>
> See above.
>
>> That somewhere will be the DHCP SERVER and
>>typically the Default Gateway, and maybe even also the DNS Server. If the
>>Hotspot took you off of the 192.168.1.X subnet then that would kill your
>>access to your senao.
>
> I understand your point. Would that be the default gateway "off the
> subnet"? My assigned IP coming from the 3220 DHCP server should have
> still been within the subnet.
>>
>>This is starting to sound like a consultation :-) Where are you located?
>
> I'm in south western CT at the moment, getting ready to head east
> toward the Cape Cod islands in a day or two.
>
> http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cg...=W2TLI&terra=1

* I'm so used to dealing with those kinds of things that I can recover
pretty quickly. You get used to it when you configure a LOT of wireless
gear.

There is an article that tells how to add an additional IP Address even
though a Windows 2000 or XP machine is configured for "Automatic" (via
DHCP). It's not something that's *normally* available, so it is a Registry
Hack. If you add an IP and Subnet Mask on the same range as the 3220 then
you'll always be able to get to it.

http://www.petri.co.il/configure_tcp..._same_time.htm

* Have a look at that and see if it's something you could do. Make sure you
do a "File > Export" in Regedit before you change anything, that way you can
restore it if something goes wrong.

Meanwhile I've been meaning to chew on that 3220 manual a bit. I looked at
it the other day and put it down. Not exactly as easy to digest as most of
the gear that I deal with on regular basis. I'll let you know how I come
along shortly...

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>> My laptop IP is coming from the 3220 which is configured as a DHCP
>> server. It is being assigned the first IP in the specified range
>> which is 192.168.1.50 through 192.168.1.59. Gateway IP and DNS are
>> being assigned by the shore based AP, don't recall what they were when
>> I was connected to the "problem" AP. I'll try it again tomorrow and
>> take some notes.
>>
* I seem to have come up with 2 versions of the manual for this thing. a 1.0
and a 1.36. Both seem to be pretty much the same. They don't seem to explain
very well what Bridge vs Bridge Router is for or how to use it.

If you think of a Bridge as being like a 2 port Hub (or these days Fast
Ethernet Switch-Hub). The 3220 in Bridge Mode would have the capability to
connect to an Access Point and take care of any Security Code (if needed)
and would pass DHCP and everything else directly to Ethernet. Typical Access
Point or Hotspot is only going to assign 1 IP Address to one MAC address,
your laptop.

To share this connection, with the 3220, I would think it would need to be
in Bridge Router Mode. Else what's the point of it running a DHCP Server? As
a Bridge it should pass everything to your laptop. Your IP Address would end
up being an IP Address assigned from the Hotspot or Access Point. So would
your gateway and DNS Server. You could get lucky on a number of
Hotspot/Access Points and have them be in the same IP subnet of the 3220 and
you would retain access to it. If not, as probably happened the other day,
you would lose access to it.

* As a router, such a box should take the Hotspot settings via DHCP for
itself only. Via DHCP it would assign it's own address range, IP, to you, as
well as DNS and Default Gateway. Default gateway should be itself as well.
DNS could be repeated from the Hotspot/Access Point but more commonly it
would be the 3220 itself as well. NAT would be performed as well as routing
between those two subnets.

If you ended up on a Hotspot/Access Point on the same subnet as the 3220 you
would be without Internet. Because a router cannot have two interfaces with
the same subnet on both of them. For that reason I usually number Client
Bridge devices in a different RFC 1918 address range from what typical gear
uses. Which means avoiding 192.168.0 and 192.168.1.

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