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Old 09-09-2006, 10:15 PM
Neil - Salem, MA USA
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Default Bridging PLUS Wireless Client Connections

I thought I almost had the solution to my wireless network configuration
when I read the Reference Manual for the Netgear WG302 ...but no ...upon
careful reading it appeared that I didn't.

What I have: A Cable Modem in my basement connected to a simple Netgear
router that has 8 Ethernet ports on it. I also have some computer systems
attached to the ports on the router. Upstairs, I have an Ethernet switch to
which I have several systems attached. I have a LAN cable that goes from my
router in my basement to my upstairs switch. The cable is strung up the
stairs and is draped across the floor (very ugly).

What I want: Two wireless units (I don't know which two yet), one to be
placed in my basement and one to be placed beside my switch and computer
equipment upstairs. I want to create a wireless bridge, connecting my LAN
downstairs to my LAN upstairs. BUT, IN ADDITION, I want to be able to
establish wireless client connections to either the wireless unit in the
basement or the wireless unit upstairs, or both.

Can anyone suggest an Access Point or Bridge that will do what I want.
Essentially, I want a "AccessPoint/Bridge" that can bridge LANs and can also
simultaneously behave like an Access Point.

Thank you,

Neil
Salem, MA USA



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Old 09-10-2006, 12:31 PM
Panda
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Default Re: Bridging PLUS Wireless Client Connections

Neil,

ZyXEL G-3000H Qty.(2) $170/each can do the job for you, I am sure of
that, I have used them in many cases. They will work as wireless LAN to
LAN bridge as well wireless Access Points simultaneously.

Make sure to install both units in an open area closer to each other to
get strong signal, always avoid closed rooms.


Naim
www.networkingland.com





Neil - Salem, MA USA wrote:
> I thought I almost had the solution to my wireless network configuration
> when I read the Reference Manual for the Netgear WG302 ...but no ...upon
> careful reading it appeared that I didn't.
>
> What I have: A Cable Modem in my basement connected to a simple Netgear
> router that has 8 Ethernet ports on it. I also have some computer systems
> attached to the ports on the router. Upstairs, I have an Ethernet switch to
> which I have several systems attached. I have a LAN cable that goes from my
> router in my basement to my upstairs switch. The cable is strung up the
> stairs and is draped across the floor (very ugly).
>
> What I want: Two wireless units (I don't know which two yet), one to be
> placed in my basement and one to be placed beside my switch and computer
> equipment upstairs. I want to create a wireless bridge, connecting my LAN
> downstairs to my LAN upstairs. BUT, IN ADDITION, I want to be able to
> establish wireless client connections to either the wireless unit in the
> basement or the wireless unit upstairs, or both.
>
> Can anyone suggest an Access Point or Bridge that will do what I want.
> Essentially, I want a "AccessPoint/Bridge" that can bridge LANs and can also
> simultaneously behave like an Access Point.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Neil
> Salem, MA USA



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Old 09-10-2006, 01:15 PM
Neil - Salem, MA USA
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Default Re: Bridging PLUS Wireless Client Connections

Thank you!

"Panda" <naim@networkingland.com> wrote in message
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> Neil,
>
> ZyXEL G-3000H Qty.(2) $170/each can do the job for you, I am sure of
> that, I have used them in many cases. They will work as wireless LAN to
> LAN bridge as well wireless Access Points simultaneously.
>
> Make sure to install both units in an open area closer to each other to
> get strong signal, always avoid closed rooms.
>
>
> Naim
> www.networkingland.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Neil - Salem, MA USA wrote:
>> I thought I almost had the solution to my wireless network configuration
>> when I read the Reference Manual for the Netgear WG302 ...but no ...upon
>> careful reading it appeared that I didn't.
>>
>> What I have: A Cable Modem in my basement connected to a simple Netgear
>> router that has 8 Ethernet ports on it. I also have some computer
>> systems
>> attached to the ports on the router. Upstairs, I have an Ethernet switch
>> to
>> which I have several systems attached. I have a LAN cable that goes from
>> my
>> router in my basement to my upstairs switch. The cable is strung up the
>> stairs and is draped across the floor (very ugly).
>>
>> What I want: Two wireless units (I don't know which two yet), one to be
>> placed in my basement and one to be placed beside my switch and computer
>> equipment upstairs. I want to create a wireless bridge, connecting my
>> LAN
>> downstairs to my LAN upstairs. BUT, IN ADDITION, I want to be able to
>> establish wireless client connections to either the wireless unit in the
>> basement or the wireless unit upstairs, or both.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest an Access Point or Bridge that will do what I want.
>> Essentially, I want a "AccessPoint/Bridge" that can bridge LANs and can
>> also
>> simultaneously behave like an Access Point.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Neil
>> Salem, MA USA

>




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Old 09-10-2006, 02:46 PM
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"Neil - Salem, MA USA" <Neil@Salem.Massachusetts.USA> hath wroth:

>Can anyone suggest an Access Point or Bridge that will do what I want.
>Essentially, I want a "AccessPoint/Bridge" that can bridge LANs and can also
>simultaneously behave like an Access Point.


That's the exact description of a WDS (wireless distribution service)
bridge. It can simultaneously act as an access point for client
connections, and a bridge for a backhaul to the main router. See:
| http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2004/0...to_wds_bridge/
(10 pages) for how it's setup and how it works.

You will need to buy two identical units that support WDS or do some
experimentation with compatibility between different manufacturers
implimentations of WDS. I can't tell if you current own or are
planning on purchasing a Netgear WG-302, but it should work as it
supports WDS. I kinda like WRT54G/GS with DD-WRT v23 replacement
firmware which supports WDS.

The WG-302 is an access point:
| http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...nts/WG302.aspx
and will therefore plug into your existing system using your existing
unspecified router. However, if you elect to use a wireless router
for this application, you can replace your existing unspecified router
with the the new wireless router, and configure the 2nd wireless
router as an access point. Whatever works.

Of course, you will need to verify that you can get a decent wireless
signal between the two WDS bridge boxes between floors to the
basement. That's not a simple as it sounds as you may need to make
some compromises in antenna location between coverage across a floor,
versus coverage between floors. Reading between the lines, you might
be trying to go between multiple floors which might be difficult.

If you can't get a signal between floors, then you can use existing
power line networking, CATV coax, or phone line networking as a
backhaul instead of WDS. For example:
| http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Extenders.aspx
| http://www.multilet.com
| http://www.homepna.org
| http://www.homeplug.org
etc...

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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Old 09-12-2006, 01:26 PM
Neil - Salem, MA USA
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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> "Neil - Salem, MA USA" <Neil@Salem.Massachusetts.USA> hath wroth:
>
>>Can anyone suggest an Access Point or Bridge that will do what I want.
>>Essentially, I want a "AccessPoint/Bridge" that can bridge LANs and can
>>also
>>simultaneously behave like an Access Point.

>
> That's the exact description of a WDS (wireless distribution service)
> bridge. It can simultaneously act as an access point for client
> connections, and a bridge for a backhaul to the main router. See:
> | http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2004/0...to_wds_bridge/
> (10 pages) for how it's setup and how it works.
>
> You will need to buy two identical units that support WDS or do some
> experimentation with compatibility between different manufacturers
> implimentations of WDS. I can't tell if you current own or are
> planning on purchasing a Netgear WG-302, but it should work as it
> supports WDS. I kinda like WRT54G/GS with DD-WRT v23 replacement
> firmware which supports WDS.
>
> The WG-302 is an access point:
> |
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...nts/WG302.aspx
> and will therefore plug into your existing system using your existing
> unspecified router. However, if you elect to use a wireless router
> for this application, you can replace your existing unspecified router
> with the the new wireless router, and configure the 2nd wireless
> router as an access point. Whatever works.
>
> Of course, you will need to verify that you can get a decent wireless
> signal between the two WDS bridge boxes between floors to the
> basement. That's not a simple as it sounds as you may need to make
> some compromises in antenna location between coverage across a floor,
> versus coverage between floors. Reading between the lines, you might
> be trying to go between multiple floors which might be difficult.
>
> If you can't get a signal between floors, then you can use existing
> power line networking, CATV coax, or phone line networking as a
> backhaul instead of WDS. For example:
> |
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Brid...Extenders.aspx
> | http://www.multilet.com
> | http://www.homepna.org
> | http://www.homeplug.org
> etc...
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


Thank you for giving me such wonderful feedback. After I read your reply, I
went back to the Netgear WG302 and discovered that there have been two
different versions of the unit. The Reference Manual for version 2 clearly
allows for Client Associations while in bridging mode.



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