We have two Sweex wireless routers, type nr. LC00070. According to the
manual (see http://www.sweexeurope.com/media/man...n_eng_full.pdf page 26)
it is possible to configure these as bridge and access points
simultaneously. I spent almost a whole day unsucsessfully making this
happen. Did you succeed? Any good tips really appreciated!!
If you mean WDS with the default Sweex firmware, yes it's possible ( I know
the docs are pretty abysmal for them-actually they're the worst I've ever
seen ). Buy cheap-get cheap.
Additionally, the MAC addresses on them ( at least the ones I've seen ) are
the WAN MAC addresses not the AP MAC addresses which are the ones you need
to use.
Two ways to find the AP MACs.
ping each of your routers and then look at the arp cache ( arp -a on
Windoze ). or
Download/run Netstumbler (if you're running Windoze) - gives you the same
info and alot more besides.
Then basically,
1-Change the IP of one of your routers.
2-Make the SSIDs unique.
3-Make sure they're using the same channel.
4-Dsiable DHCP on the bridge.
5-Enable WDS on both routers specifying the AP Macs.
6-Enable MAC Address Control ( you only need to specify association for the
WDS link ).
7-Enable WEP/WPA.
As to the merits of WDS - I was educated by a certain "Jeff" in here fairly
recently. He's the kind of guy you may want to listen to (see the thread
"Extending a wireless network" in here).
HTH
Rgds, S
"Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> We have two Sweex wireless routers, type nr. LC00070. According to the
> manual (see
> http://www.sweexeurope.com/media/man...n_eng_full.pdf page
> 26) it is possible to configure these as bridge and access points
> simultaneously. I spent almost a whole day unsucsessfully making this
> happen. Did you succeed? Any good tips really appreciated!!
>
Thanks Steve, that hint about MAC addresses might be it, I'll check and let
you know!
Paul
"Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> Hi Paul,
>
> If you mean WDS with the default Sweex firmware, yes it's possible ( I
> know the docs are pretty abysmal for them-actually they're the worst I've
> ever seen ). Buy cheap-get cheap.
> Additionally, the MAC addresses on them ( at least the ones I've seen )
> are the WAN MAC addresses not the AP MAC addresses which are the ones you
> need to use.
> Two ways to find the AP MACs.
> ping each of your routers and then look at the arp cache ( arp -a on
> Windoze ). or
> Download/run Netstumbler (if you're running Windoze) - gives you the same
> info and alot more besides.
>
> Then basically,
> 1-Change the IP of one of your routers.
> 2-Make the SSIDs unique.
> 3-Make sure they're using the same channel.
> 4-Dsiable DHCP on the bridge.
> 5-Enable WDS on both routers specifying the AP Macs.
> 6-Enable MAC Address Control ( you only need to specify association for
> the WDS link ).
> 7-Enable WEP/WPA.
>
> As to the merits of WDS - I was educated by a certain "Jeff" in here
> fairly recently. He's the kind of guy you may want to listen to (see the
> thread "Extending a wireless network" in here).
>
> HTH
>
> Rgds, S
>
> "Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a0572$433bfe30$513b43d8$11354@news.versatel.n l...
>> We have two Sweex wireless routers, type nr. LC00070. According to the
>> manual (see
>> http://www.sweexeurope.com/media/man...n_eng_full.pdf page
>> 26) it is possible to configure these as bridge and access points
>> simultaneously. I spent almost a whole day unsucsessfully making this
>> happen. Did you succeed? Any good tips really appreciated!!
>>
>
>
The hint worked, the wireless MAC addresses turned out to be identical to
the wired MAC addresses as printed on the bottom stickers plus one. Network
Stumbler was a great help. I got the bridge operational but so far only
unencrypted. As soon as I engage encryption, using the same key on both
AP's, the bridge somehow does not work anymore, as when I try to connect I
do not get an IP-number allocated. For the JOTA weekend that is not too bad
but in the future I would like the encryption working too. Any more hints?
Do you have a similar setup working? If so I would like to get a config.bin
backup of the settings of both your AP's to compare the settings.
Alternatively would you like to get mine to see what's wrong?
Paul
"Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> Thanks Steve, that hint about MAC addresses might be it, I'll check and
> let you know!
>
> Paul
> "Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:zZ__e.4605$9l4.1911@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> If you mean WDS with the default Sweex firmware, yes it's possible ( I
>> know the docs are pretty abysmal for them-actually they're the worst I've
>> ever seen ). Buy cheap-get cheap.
>> Additionally, the MAC addresses on them ( at least the ones I've seen )
>> are the WAN MAC addresses not the AP MAC addresses which are the ones you
>> need to use.
>> Two ways to find the AP MACs.
>> ping each of your routers and then look at the arp cache ( arp -a on
>> Windoze ). or
>> Download/run Netstumbler (if you're running Windoze) - gives you the same
>> info and alot more besides.
>>
>> Then basically,
>> 1-Change the IP of one of your routers.
>> 2-Make the SSIDs unique.
>> 3-Make sure they're using the same channel.
>> 4-Dsiable DHCP on the bridge.
>> 5-Enable WDS on both routers specifying the AP Macs.
>> 6-Enable MAC Address Control ( you only need to specify association for
>> the WDS link ).
>> 7-Enable WEP/WPA.
>>
>> As to the merits of WDS - I was educated by a certain "Jeff" in here
>> fairly recently. He's the kind of guy you may want to listen to (see the
>> thread "Extending a wireless network" in here).
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Rgds, S
>>
>> "Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a0572$433bfe30$513b43d8$11354@news.versatel.n l...
>>> We have two Sweex wireless routers, type nr. LC00070. According to the
>>> manual (see
>>> http://www.sweexeurope.com/media/man...n_eng_full.pdf page
>>> 26) it is possible to configure these as bridge and access points
>>> simultaneously. I spent almost a whole day unsucsessfully making this
>>> happen. Did you succeed? Any good tips really appreciated!!
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
At the minute I'm using WEP ( I know it sucks-better to use WPA ), but the
client cards I use don't support AES, although they do TKIP ( cheap again ).
I *believe* there's a performance hit when using TKIP that AES doesn't
suffer, I've just decided just to leave it at boring-old WEP at the minute,
till I get time to look at it.
Funnily enough these routers as advertised don't even mention support for
WPA only 64/128 bit WEP, although the router interface supports WPA/PSK -
guess that's what happens with cheapo (Chinese) works in progress..They're
also running SMC Barricade (embedded) of you're interested.
Err.. pardon me for being ignorant but what's JOTA ???
What, you want my config settings so's you can jump on a boat with your
laptop to the UK, drive half-way up the country and hack me silly ?? ;)
I'd suggest just starting off with basic 64 bit/WEP and one (sort of
randomish) 10-digit hex key on each router. Use chars if you prefer.
Enter the same key on XP manually (which I assume you're running) - the
Sweex won't dish them out. Open Network Auth/WEP data encryption. Obviously
you only really need to do this for the bridge, but you might want to do it
for the AP too, depending on your setup.
Then just progress upwards to the encryption level you're happy with.
If you want to send me your settings feel free - consultancy fee 500,000
UKP. He..he... ;)
S
"Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Steve,
>
> The hint worked, the wireless MAC addresses turned out to be identical to
> the wired MAC addresses as printed on the bottom stickers plus one.
> Network Stumbler was a great help. I got the bridge operational but so far
> only unencrypted. As soon as I engage encryption, using the same key on
> both AP's, the bridge somehow does not work anymore, as when I try to
> connect I do not get an IP-number allocated. For the JOTA weekend that is
> not too bad but in the future I would like the encryption working too. Any
> more hints? Do you have a similar setup working? If so I would like to get
> a config.bin backup of the settings of both your AP's to compare the
> settings. Alternatively would you like to get mine to see what's wrong?
>
> Paul
> "Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:7a1$433cbadc$513b43d8$787@news.versatel.nl...
>> Thanks Steve, that hint about MAC addresses might be it, I'll check and
>> let you know!
>>
>> Paul
>> "Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:zZ__e.4605$9l4.1911@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> If you mean WDS with the default Sweex firmware, yes it's possible ( I
>>> know the docs are pretty abysmal for them-actually they're the worst
>>> I've ever seen ). Buy cheap-get cheap.
>>> Additionally, the MAC addresses on them ( at least the ones I've seen )
>>> are the WAN MAC addresses not the AP MAC addresses which are the ones
>>> you need to use.
>>> Two ways to find the AP MACs.
>>> ping each of your routers and then look at the arp cache ( arp -a on
>>> Windoze ). or
>>> Download/run Netstumbler (if you're running Windoze) - gives you the
>>> same info and alot more besides.
>>>
>>> Then basically,
>>> 1-Change the IP of one of your routers.
>>> 2-Make the SSIDs unique.
>>> 3-Make sure they're using the same channel.
>>> 4-Dsiable DHCP on the bridge.
>>> 5-Enable WDS on both routers specifying the AP Macs.
>>> 6-Enable MAC Address Control ( you only need to specify association for
>>> the WDS link ).
>>> 7-Enable WEP/WPA.
>>>
>>> As to the merits of WDS - I was educated by a certain "Jeff" in here
>>> fairly recently. He's the kind of guy you may want to listen to (see the
>>> thread "Extending a wireless network" in here).
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Rgds, S
>>>
>>> "Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a0572$433bfe30$513b43d8$11354@news.versatel.n l...
>>>> We have two Sweex wireless routers, type nr. LC00070. According to the
>>>> manual (see
>>>> http://www.sweexeurope.com/media/man...n_eng_full.pdf page
>>>> 26) it is possible to configure these as bridge and access points
>>>> simultaneously. I spent almost a whole day unsucsessfully making this
>>>> happen. Did you succeed? Any good tips really appreciated!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Just a quick message, another scouting weekend is up in a few hours. In a
spare hour later today I intend to check out the friendly neighbor's ADSL
connection and try my unencrypted setup to see if I'll have any trouble with
the distance. It's a clear line of sight for some 100 meters so that
shouldn't be the hardest challenge. If it is, I might try and build some of
these pringle antennas.
Could you describe your setup? Do you also use two of these LC00070
configured as in the picture in the manual? If so: what distance do you
cover? Would you be willing to try my settings, if and where needed tweak
them and return any improvements you made? I could email the files to you
directly and add a little description of what they look like.
JOTA is the Jamboree On The Air. A Jamboree is a Scouth gathering and this
one is 'on the air'. Every 3rd full weekend in October Scouts and Amateur
Radio operators get together, typically the Ham sets up his equipment in the
Scout club house, enabling the Scouts to talk to each other by radio to the
other end of town but as easily worldwide. Every year over 500,000 Scouts
and lots of Hams paricipate in the biggest worldwide scouting event, ten
times more participants than any other kind of Jamboree ever held. Combined
with the JOTA since some years is the JOTI, or Jamboree On The Internet.
This year my group intends to participate in both, JOTI for the first time.
Obvious prerequisite is an Internet connection, hence the mission impossible
I seem to have embarked upon ;)
Paul
"Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> Paul,
>
> Yip, MAC+1 sounds about right.
>
> At the minute I'm using WEP ( I know it sucks-better to use WPA ), but the
> client cards I use don't support AES, although they do TKIP ( cheap
> again ). I *believe* there's a performance hit when using TKIP that AES
> doesn't suffer, I've just decided just to leave it at boring-old WEP at
> the minute, till I get time to look at it.
> Funnily enough these routers as advertised don't even mention support for
> WPA only 64/128 bit WEP, although the router interface supports WPA/PSK -
> guess that's what happens with cheapo (Chinese) works in progress..They're
> also running SMC Barricade (embedded) of you're interested.
>
> Err.. pardon me for being ignorant but what's JOTA ???
> What, you want my config settings so's you can jump on a boat with your
> laptop to the UK, drive half-way up the country and hack me silly ?? ;)
>
> I'd suggest just starting off with basic 64 bit/WEP and one (sort of
> randomish) 10-digit hex key on each router. Use chars if you prefer.
> Enter the same key on XP manually (which I assume you're running) - the
> Sweex won't dish them out. Open Network Auth/WEP data encryption.
> Obviously you only really need to do this for the bridge, but you might
> want to do it for the AP too, depending on your setup.
> Then just progress upwards to the encryption level you're happy with.
>
> If you want to send me your settings feel free - consultancy fee 500,000
> UKP. He..he... ;)
>
> S
"Paul" <paul_joosten.no@spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Steve,
>
--Snip--
>
> Could you describe your setup? Do you also use two of these LC00070
> configured as in the picture in the manual? If so: what distance do you
> cover?
Pretty much. The signal strength on these is pretty awful though.
I'm actually using these in a house. The Cable modem "external router" is in
another room ( about 50 feet away ) and I can't even see it normally.
Reflector is a good idea.
Would you be willing to try my settings, if and where needed tweak
> them and return any improvements you made? I could email the files to you
> directly and add a little description of what they look like.
As you've pointed out, you can backup the settings, but you can't restore
them ! Who's idea was that ???.
Just sending the files won't do any good - if you look at them with a hex
editor, they're just filled with nulls "FFFF".
If you want to pursue this email me and we'll discuss it.
>
> JOTA is the Jamboree On The Air. A Jamboree is a Scouth gathering and this
> one is 'on the air'. Every 3rd full weekend in October Scouts and Amateur
> Radio operators get together, typically the Ham sets up his equipment in
> the Scout club house, enabling the Scouts to talk to each other by radio
> to the other end of town but as easily worldwide. Every year over 500,000
> Scouts and lots of Hams paricipate in the biggest worldwide scouting
> event, ten times more participants than any other kind of Jamboree ever
> held. Combined with the JOTA since some years is the JOTI, or Jamboree On
> The Internet. This year my group intends to participate in both, JOTI for
> the first time. Obvious prerequisite is an Internet connection, hence the
> mission impossible I seem to have embarked upon ;)
Err... thanks. I was never in the Scouts so that's useful info that will
stay with me for the rest of my life ! ;)
Dib..dib..dib.. n' all that. ;)
>
> Paul
>
> "Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:9cj%e.9823$DO.8572@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
>> Paul,
>>
>> Yip, MAC+1 sounds about right.
>>
>> At the minute I'm using WEP ( I know it sucks-better to use WPA ), but
>> the client cards I use don't support AES, although they do TKIP ( cheap
>> again ). I *believe* there's a performance hit when using TKIP that AES
>> doesn't suffer, I've just decided just to leave it at boring-old WEP at
>> the minute, till I get time to look at it.
>> Funnily enough these routers as advertised don't even mention support for
>> WPA only 64/128 bit WEP, although the router interface supports WPA/PSK -
>> guess that's what happens with cheapo (Chinese) works in
>> progress..They're also running SMC Barricade (embedded) of you're
>> interested.
>>
>> Err.. pardon me for being ignorant but what's JOTA ???
>> What, you want my config settings so's you can jump on a boat with your
>> laptop to the UK, drive half-way up the country and hack me silly ?? ;)
>>
>> I'd suggest just starting off with basic 64 bit/WEP and one (sort of
>> randomish) 10-digit hex key on each router. Use chars if you prefer.
>> Enter the same key on XP manually (which I assume you're running) - the
>> Sweex won't dish them out. Open Network Auth/WEP data encryption.
>> Obviously you only really need to do this for the bridge, but you might
>> want to do it for the AP too, depending on your setup.
>> Then just progress upwards to the encryption level you're happy with.
>>
>> If you want to send me your settings feel free - consultancy fee 500,000
>> UKP. He..he... ;)
>>
>> S
>
>
Bridging with SWEEX LC000070? 
Linear Mode
