Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
I have a D-Link DI-624 wireless router on the first floor. I want to
connect a Tivo and a PC upstairs using the DWL-2100AP. I also have a
DSS-5+ switch.
I tried putting the DWL-2100AP in every mode and nothing works as
follows:
Access Point mode: Supposedly only works with another DWL-2100AP; so
far that appears to be true.
WDS with AP: The AP appears to join the wireless network but the
neither connected device can get an IP.
WDS: Same as above.
Repeater: Seems to work as a repeater, but again, any device plugged
in does not get an IP.
AP Client: First device connected gets an IP. Second does not.
Does anyone know if there is a way to make this work? I know I can
buy another DWL-2100AP and it will probably work, but it seems silly
to connect a wireless AP to a wireless router.
>I have a D-Link DI-624 wireless router on the first floor. I want to
>connect a Tivo and a PC upstairs using the DWL-2100AP. I also have a
>DSS-5+ switch.
No problem. That should work just fine. The DWL-2100AP has a client
mode that allegedly can handle more than one MAC address. However,
before we blunder onward, kindly check if the DWL-2100AP has the
latest firmware. Also, please disclose the hardware version of your
DI-624 and DWL-2100AP from the serial number sticker.
See:
<http://support.dlink.com/emulators/dwl2100ap/html/CfgAPMode.html>
Select "AP Client"
Type in the MAC address of the wireless port on the DI-624. That's
NOT the MAC adress printed on the serial number sticker. Go to the
status page at:
<http://support.dlink.com/Emulators/di624_revC/st_device.html>
and read the numbers from the screen. Oh swell, the wireless port
isn't listed.
Plan B is to take one of your existing wireless clients and ping the
router. Then extract the MAC address with the arp command. Like
this:
Start -> Run -> cmd <enter>
ping 192.168.0.1
( lines of junk)
arp -a
The line with the 192.168.0.1 has the correct MAC address. Sheesh.
You'll also need to select the same RF channel as the DI-624, and the
same SSID as the DI-624 (Main -> Wireless).
Also, the DWL-2100AP comes with a DHCP server. It's correctly
disabled by default. Verify that it's really disabled.
>AP Client: First device connected gets an IP. Second does not.
Welcome to a common problem. Some access point clients will pass more
than one MAC address. Others will pass exactly one. This may have
been corrected in later versions of the DWL-2100AP firmware. Also,
see list of clients at:
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
The list claims that the DWL-2100AP will handle more than one MAC
address. However, I didn't do the testing and have no clue where the
information came from.
>Does anyone know if there is a way to make this work? I know I can
>buy another DWL-2100AP and it will probably work, but it seems silly
>to connect a wireless AP to a wireless router.
That's why the various manufacturers are very reluctant to discuss the
number of MAC addresses that can be passed by their client radios. If
they claim it's only one, they'll sell far more radios. It's a common
problem with the "game adapters" which are the same device with
potentially the same problem.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
The DI-624 is H/W Rev. B2, firmware version 1.33.
The DWL-2100AP is H/W Rev. A4. Strangely, this shipped with firmware
version 2.11. The latest on their website is 2.10. Do I have a bad
version of their firmware that they pulled off their website? Or
maybe I have a corrected version of the firmware that forces the AP
Client mode to only pass one MAC address.
I tried both the root MAC and the wireless MAC of the router and the
2nd device can never get an IP. I also assigned static IPs to the
Tivo and PC and still, the first one connected is the only one that
works.
I wonder if I should exchange the DWL-2100AP for a 2nd wireless
router. If I shut off DHCP and put them on the same subnet, will that
work?
>The DI-624 is H/W Rev. B2, firmware version 1.33.
That's the latest firmware version.
>The DWL-2100AP is H/W Rev. A4. Strangely, this shipped with firmware
>version 2.11. The latest on their website is 2.10.
Yep. It shows 2.10.
<http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DWL%2D2100AP>
Worst case is that they released 2.11, changed their mind due to bugs
or customer feedback, and just reverted to 2.10. I don't have any
inside info, but a call to DLink support might be useful. It might be
nothing more than a typo error.
>Do I have a bad
>version of their firmware that they pulled off their website? Or
>maybe I have a corrected version of the firmware that forces the AP
>Client mode to only pass one MAC address.
Difficult to tell from here. If you install 2.10, there's no way to
get back to 2.11 because there's no image on the Dlink web pile.
<ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwl2100AP>
>I tried both the root MAC and the wireless MAC of the router and the
>2nd device can never get an IP. I also assigned static IPs to the
>Tivo and PC and still, the first one connected is the only one that
>works.
Dunno. It could be the DI-624 is causing the problem. Methinks it
would be best to try some creative substitution. Find another
wireless router and see if it works any differently. If possible try
a different wireless ethernet bridge. It may not solve the problem,
but at least it might help isolate the culprit and assign the blame.
Also, here's how a transparent bridge should work.
<http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68>
The article is about DD-WRT and the WRT54G, but the operation and
diagnostics should be similar. See the arp example from "tlj2".
>I wonder if I should exchange the DWL-2100AP for a 2nd wireless
>router. If I shut off DHCP and put them on the same subnet, will that
>work?
Yes, mostly. The down side is that now you have two sources of
interference. The idea is to reduce the number of radios to a
minimum. However, it will function, especially if you isolate the two
radios on different channels (i.e. 1 and 11) and apply some physical
isolation. In effect, you're converting a wireless router into a
wireless access point by:
1. Ignore the WAN port.
2. Connect CAT5 between a LAN port on the DI-624 to a LAN port on the
new device. You may need an ethernet cross-over cable.
3. Disable the DHCP server in the new device.
4. Set the IP address of the new device to something in the same
subnet as the DI-624, but not duplicated.
5. You can use the same SSID if you want to try roaming, or different
SSID's if you want to connect to a specific radio.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
Well, I'll have to play with it some more. I'll reply here if and
when I figure anything out. I may not get a chance to try again until
next weekend. Thanks for all the help so far! Just some background
on me...I am a software engineer and have been building computers
since before that. Networking is not my top subject, but I'm very
sure that everything I have tried has been configured correctly and I
have tried all possible permutations of those configurations.
D-Link support got back to me and suggested I configure it as a
Repeater. As usual, I don't even think they understood my question.
Anyway, like I said, I tried Repeater mode and not even one wired
device connected directly to the AP can see the router. I think they
thought I had wireLESS clients rather than wired. I'll see if they
get back to me with any other suggestions.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
<JimS24@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1181513012.331269.152750@n4g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a D-Link DI-624 wireless router on the first floor. I want to
> connect a Tivo and a PC upstairs using the DWL-2100AP. I also have a
> DSS-5+ switch.
>
> I tried putting the DWL-2100AP in every mode and nothing works as
> follows:
>
> Access Point mode: Supposedly only works with another DWL-2100AP; so
> far that appears to be true.
> WDS with AP: The AP appears to join the wireless network but the
> neither connected device can get an IP.
> WDS: Same as above.
> Repeater: Seems to work as a repeater, but again, any device plugged
> in does not get an IP.
> AP Client: First device connected gets an IP. Second does not.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to make this work? I know I can
> buy another DWL-2100AP and it will probably work, but it seems silly
> to connect a wireless AP to a wireless router.
>
> Thanks ahead of time for any responses!
> - Jim
>
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
Hi Jeff,
You wrote earlier:
> Select "AP Client"
> Type in the MAC address of the wireless port on the DI-624. That's
> NOT the MAC adress printed on the serial number sticker.
I suspect this would have worked. However, the reason I never tried
it is because it doesn't let you. The MAC address box is disabled
when in AP Client mode. Only the SSID can be changed.
When in AP Repeater mode, you can type in a MAC address, but after you
press Apply, it automatically changes it to the Root MAC address
rather than the wireless MAC.
If this was ever allow, it looks like they disabled it. Also, my
configuration page looks different than D-Link's web site emulator.
But, even their emulator doesn't allow it. I wonder if an earlier
version of the firmware exposed this trick and now they disabled it.
>Hi Jeff,
>
>You wrote earlier:
>
>> Select "AP Client"
>> Type in the MAC address of the wireless port on the DI-624. That's
>> NOT the MAC adress printed on the serial number sticker.
>
>I suspect this would have worked. However, the reason I never tried
>it is because it doesn't let you. The MAC address box is disabled
>when in AP Client mode. Only the SSID can be changed.
Hmmm... As I recall, I had to scan for access points when in the AP
client mode. That would insert the MAC address of the wireless AP.
However, there doesn't seem to be a way to do that so my memory must
be fault. My guess(tm) is that you have a choice of either connecting
by SSID or by MAC, but that might also be wrong. If it only allows
SSID to be configured, that should be sufficient.
>When in AP Repeater mode, you can type in a MAC address, but after you
>press Apply, it automatically changes it to the Root MAC address
>rather than the wireless MAC.
Duh. It's not suppose to do that. As a repeater, it needs to know
where to forward the packets. SSID is insufficient because there are
a number of devices with the same SSID. MAC address is unique and the
packets should forward there. However, if the MAC address is not the
same as the wireless interface, it won't work. Are you sure it's
changing by itself and is not some artifact of the web browser cache?
Try flushing the browser cache, a different browser, or even a
different PC to do the configuration.
>If this was ever allow, it looks like they disabled it. Also, my
>configuration page looks different than D-Link's web site emulator.
The emulator is version 2.00. You're using version 2.10.
>But, even their emulator doesn't allow it. I wonder if an earlier
>version of the firmware exposed this trick and now they disabled it.
>
>Well, I'm out of ideas for now.
Same here. It should work, but doesn't. In addition, it's doing
weird things. The problem is that I can't tell which box is causing
the problems. It could be the DI-624, the DWL-2100AP or the web
browser. As I previously suggested, try substituting for the DI-624
(it's the easiest to change) or drag the DWL-2100AP to some place
where there's a different access point to use for testing.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
JimS24@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> You wrote earlier:
>
>> Select "AP Client"
>> Type in the MAC address of the wireless port on the DI-624. That's
>> NOT the MAC adress printed on the serial number sticker.
>
> I suspect this would have worked. However, the reason I never tried
> it is because it doesn't let you. The MAC address box is disabled
> when in AP Client mode. Only the SSID can be changed.
When you enable "AP Client" mode do you run the "Scan" and then choose
which "AP" you wish to connect to? I seem to remember that this
automatically entered the correct MAC details into the 2100, in early
versions.
>
> When in AP Repeater mode, you can type in a MAC address, but after you
> press Apply, it automatically changes it to the Root MAC address
> rather than the wireless MAC.
>
> If this was ever allow, it looks like they disabled it. Also, my
> configuration page looks different than D-Link's web site emulator.
> But, even their emulator doesn't allow it. I wonder if an earlier
> version of the firmware exposed this trick and now they disabled it.
>
> Well, I'm out of ideas for now.
>
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
kev <invalid@invalid.invalid> hath wroth:
>When you enable "AP Client" mode do you run the "Scan" and then choose
>which "AP" you wish to connect to? I seem to remember that this
>automatically entered the correct MAC details into the 2100, in early
>versions.
It worked that way with the previous DWL-900AP+, but apparently not
the DWL-2100AP.
Here are the official instructions for the AP Client mode on the
DWL-2100AP.
<http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1571>
No scan button. MAC address is entered manually. No SSID field.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> kev <invalid@invalid.invalid> hath wroth:
>
>> When you enable "AP Client" mode do you run the "Scan" and then choose
>> which "AP" you wish to connect to? I seem to remember that this
>> automatically entered the correct MAC details into the 2100, in early
>> versions.
>
> It worked that way with the previous DWL-900AP+, but apparently not
> the DWL-2100AP.
>
> Here are the official instructions for the AP Client mode on the
> DWL-2100AP.
> <http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1571>
> No scan button. MAC address is entered manually. No SSID field.
>
>
>
Hm!
I just had a look at the emulator and when you select "AP Client" a
"Site Survey" box appears, I presume this used to be the scan option?
Has the OP got this on his version and what happens when he runs it?
He may get the choice of wireless to connect to.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
For AP Client mode, I can type in the SSID or use the Site Survey (aka
Scan) button to find one. Either way, it enters the Root MAC address
for me (not the wireless MAC address). This only allows 1 wired
client. All other clients on my switch cannot see the router/
internet.
Based on Jeff's memory, I'm assuming if it let me enter the wireless
MAC address instead, it would work. If Jeff is correct, I'm guessing
D-Link disabled this "feature" to force you to buy one DWL-2100AP per
wired client.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
JimS24@gmail.com wrote:
> For AP Client mode, I can type in the SSID or use the Site Survey (aka
> Scan) button to find one. Either way, it enters the Root MAC address
> for me (not the wireless MAC address). This only allows 1 wired
> client. All other clients on my switch cannot see the router/
> internet.
>
> Based on Jeff's memory, I'm assuming if it let me enter the wireless
> MAC address instead, it would work. If Jeff is correct, I'm guessing
> D-Link disabled this "feature" to force you to buy one DWL-2100AP per
> wired client.
>
Yes, I have had a quick google and there seems to be several references
to using only one device.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
That sounds about right. Here is also a response from D-Link customer
support:
>To use this device as a bridge you will need to use a bridging mode to connect it to a device which supports the same >mode. Unfortunately your DI-624 does not support any bridging modes. You can use the DWL-2100AP as a client >side adapter, but as you have discovered this only allows you to connect one host.
If I return this I will lose a 15% restocking fee + shipping. Maybe I
should just try to find that firmware. As I mentioned earlier, my
device actually came with firmware 2.11 which is newer than the D-Link
website, so I'm not sure what to do.
Anyway, I guess that's as far as we can go here. Thanks for you help
and suggestions.
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
JimS24@gmail.com wrote:
> That sounds about right. Here is also a response from D-Link customer
> support:
>
>> To use this device as a bridge you will need to use a bridging mode to connect it to a device which supports the same >mode. Unfortunately your DI-624 does not support any bridging modes. You can use the DWL-2100AP as a client >side adapter, but as you have discovered this only allows you to connect one host.
>
> If I return this I will lose a 15% restocking fee + shipping. Maybe I
> should just try to find that firmware. As I mentioned earlier, my
> device actually came with firmware 2.11 which is newer than the D-Link
> website, so I'm not sure what to do.
>
> Anyway, I guess that's as far as we can go here. Thanks for you help
> and suggestions.
>
If you feel like experimenting:- ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwl2100AP/Firmware
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
It works!!! I took a risk and went backwards in the firmware. First
I tried 2.10, which appeared to be just about the same as the
mysterious shipping firmware (2.11) that is not on their website.
Then I went back to version 2.00. I selected AP Client mode, like I
did when I first opened the box, and now it works. I connected 3 DHCP
clients and the AP to my DSS-5+ switch and they all got IP addresses.
The AP is set to have a static IP. I did not try setting it to DHCP.
Thanks for all the help! I'm very dissapointed in D-Link for pulling
off a marketing scam like that just to get you to buy two access
points. They should have at least left it open for the DI-624 router
which is in the same wireless G family, which is the original reason I
bought it.
>It works!!! I took a risk and went backwards in the firmware. First
>I tried 2.10, which appeared to be just about the same as the
>mysterious shipping firmware (2.11) that is not on their website.
Did 2.10 not work the same way as 2.11? It's not really clear from
your description.
>Then I went back to version 2.00. I selected AP Client mode, like I
>did when I first opened the box, and now it works.
Nicely done. Congratulations on your perseverance.
>I connected 3 DHCP
>clients and the AP to my DSS-5+ switch and they all got IP addresses.
>The AP is set to have a static IP. I did not try setting it to DHCP.
Out of curiosity, did it connect to the MAC address of the wireless
port, or did it do the same thing at 2.11 and try to connect to the
MAC address of one of the ethernet ports?
>Thanks for all the help! I'm very dissapointed in D-Link for pulling
>off a marketing scam like that just to get you to buy two access
>points. They should have at least left it open for the DI-624 router
>which is in the same wireless G family, which is the original reason I
>bought it.
Never attribute to malice, that which can be adequately explained by
sloppy testing. I can personally attest to the difficulties involved
in regression testing a product like the DWL-2100AP for every feature,
function, combination, and specification. In this case, very few of
the manufacturers even advertise the fact that you can run more than
one client behind their access point client. Little wonder they
didn't test for it. It's an old story, where a new update broke an
"undocumented feature".
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:07:24 -0000, JimS24@gmail.com wrote in
<1182002844.097154.186880@n60g2000hse.googlegroups .com>:
>Thanks for all the help! I'm very dissapointed in D-Link for pulling
>off a marketing scam like that just to get you to buy two access
>points. They should have at least left it open for the DI-624 router
>which is in the same wireless G family, which is the original reason I
>bought it.
Hardly a "scam" -- all products have specific feature sets, and it's up
to the consumer to choose those products that have feature sets suitable
for their needs. What might be possible in the product is irrelevant.
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
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Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
Re: Can the DWL-2100AP connect 2 wired clients to a DI-624?
On Jun 16, 11:54 am, Jeff Liebermann <j...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Did 2.10 not work the same way as 2.11? It's not really clear from
> your description.
2.10 appeared to do exactly what 2.11 did.
> Out of curiosity, did it connect to the MAC address of the wireless
> port, or did it do the same thing at 2.11 and try to connect to the
> MAC address of one of the ethernet ports?
The MAC address box was still disabled and it automatically was filled
in with the Ethernet port MAC address.
> Never attribute to malice
True. I guess I was just angry that I spent 12 hours of my life
messing around with this thing when what I tried in the first 5
minutes should have worked. I know all about bugs.
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