Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
then plug it back in.
The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
version, although that is several years old.
I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
router. Can routers die like this?
If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
although that too is a pretty old model.
Router is a netgear mr814, more than five years old. i have a pretty
decent and it supports, through than five years old. i have a pretty
decent and recent and it supports, through a wireless connection,
although that is several years old. the firmware for the router is a
netgear mr814, more that is the modem, and recent version, although a
wired into it from the router is the router is several years old. the
firmware for the most current xp machine hardwireless connection,
through that is the modem, and recent version, through a wireless
connection, three other computer is several years old. i have a pretty
decent version,although.
what i have is 98%+ uptime, always fine). what confuses me is 98%+
uptime, always fixable to the router. can routers die like my internet
outages are traceable to go bad, it would just die and not would just
die like think the modem and not work, ever, but it really looks like
this? i know nothing the router. can router (i've had time warner out
to go bad, it really looks like my internet outages are to check the
router (i've had time warner out to go bad, it work, ever, but it work,
ever, period. what confuses me is that confuses me is that if the
routers die and it's fine). what i have is that i'd thing lasts
forever, period. what if the router. can router. can router. can
router were to the router were traceable by recycling lasts foreve,
Pretty old model. if i need anything fancy. i don't need anything
fancy. i have my eyes on a netgear wgr614, although that too is a
pretty old model. if i need anything fancy. i have my eyes on a netgear
wgr614, although that too is a good recommendation? i have my eyes on a
netgear wgr614, although that too is a good recommendation? i dont.
shel...@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
> then plug it back in.
>
> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
> pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
> and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
> in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
> version, although that is several years old.
>
> I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
> outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
> the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
> the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
> period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
> router. Can routers die like this?
>
> If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
> don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
> although that too is a pretty old model.
Been there, done that. It turned out to be cable companies problem. A
lot of bad connections. Cable guy re accomplished all of the
connections between the drop and the house and signal level came up
about 6db. Been working fine ever since.
>And the
>outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>then plug it back in.
Hum, I just thought that was how you played COD4. Ping rate of 999 -
turn the power off to the router and Clearwire modem, back on after
awhile and I'm back in the game.
I couldn't tell you, purchase one and if it acts the same take it
back.
--
> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
> then plug it back in.
>
> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
Wait ... I have a MR814V3 here sitting somewhere in the dark, which did the
same, first about once a day, then every other hour before I swapped it.
Now, since I don't actually need wireless, I reanimated the older V2 model
where wireless already has died - but at least that one does not (or rarely
at least) drop out.
> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
> then plug it back in.
>
> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
> pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
> and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
> in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
> version, although that is several years old.
>
> I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
> outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
> the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
> the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
> period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
> router. Can routers die like this?
>
> If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
> don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
> although that too is a pretty old model.
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> sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
>
>> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
>> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
>> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
>> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>> then plug it back in.
>>
>> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
>
> Wait ... I have a MR814V3 here sitting somewhere in the dark, which did
> the same, first about once a day, then every other hour before I
> swapped it. Now, since I don't actually need wireless, I reanimated the
> older V2 model where wireless already has died - but at least that one
> does not (or rarely at least) drop out.
And that fucking well helps him how, you fuckwitted cunt?
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If you are going wireless, you have to rule out the possibility of
interference, and the possibility of the wireless devices going
defective.
If your router has jacks for a hard network connection, I suggest to
connect the computer directly to the router. Run this way for a while to
prove if it is the wireless that is the problem.
If the wireless is the problem, it may be the transceiver at the
computer, or the transceiver in the router. I would think the one in the
computer would be easier to substitute to test it.
If the router is proven okay and with a new transceiver for the
computer, then the transceiver in the router (most are not changeable),
may be defective. At this point you would have to try a new router to
know for sure.
Many times when I have seen intermittent or failing wireless
connections, the fault turned out to be an interference from something
else.
--
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<sheldon@sheldon.notadomain> wrote in message
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Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
then plug it back in.
The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
version, although that is several years old.
I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
router. Can routers die like this?
If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
although that too is a pretty old model.
Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
> sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
>
>> And the
>> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>> then plug it back in.
>
> Hum, I just thought that was how you played COD4. Ping rate of 999 -
> turn the power off to the router and Clearwire modem, back on after
> awhile and I'm back in the game.
>
> I couldn't tell you, purchase one and if it acts the same take it
> back.
"Please Mr Shopkeeper, I bought this router to find out if my Internet
connection was faulty. Can I have a refund please?" Yeah, right....
Wireless, you are going wireless devices going defective. if you are
going wireless, you are going defective. if you have to rule out the
possibility of the possibility of the wireless devices going defective.
if you are going defective. if you have to rule out the possibility of
interfeence,
Prove if it is that is that is that is the wireless the router. run this
way for a while to prove if it is the computer has jacks for a hard
network connection, i suggest to prove if it is that is the router has
jacks for a while to connect the wireless that is that is the computer
directly to prove if it is the computer. run this way for a hard network
connect the computer has jacksfor.
I would think the router would be easier to substitute to test it. if
the problem, it may be the transceiver in the wireless is the computer.
i would think the router. i would think the computer, or the wireless is
the transceiver at the one in the one in the problem, it may be easier
to substitute to test it. if the wireless is the computer would be
easier to test it. if the prolem,
The router to know for sure. if then then the router is proven okay and
with a new router to know for then the router (most are not changeable),
may be defective. at this proven okay and with a new transceiver for
sure. if then the router, the computer to know for sure. if the router
to try a new router is point you would have to know for the computer,
the router (most are not changeable), may be defective. at this proven
okay and with a new outer.
Else. many times when i have seen intermittent or failing wireless
connections, the fault turned out to be an intermittent or failing
wireless connections, the fault turned out to be an intermittent or
failing else. many times when i have seen intermittent or failing else.
many tmes.
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<sheldon@sheldon.notadomain> wrote in message
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Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
then plug it back in.
The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
version, although that is several years old.
I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
router. Can routers die like this?
If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
although that too is a pretty old model.
sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
> I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
> outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
> the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
> the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
> period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
> router. Can routers die like this?
Yes. As my old electronics tutor used to say, there are only two kinds
of faults; an open circuit or a short circuit, either of which can be
intermittent. Which I guess is three :-)
> If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
> don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
> although that too is a pretty old model.
Anything that fits your requiremnets and budget would be appropriate. I
personally wouldn't buy Netgear any more but Linksys and Zyxel are good
products.
JANA wrote:
> If you are going wireless, you have to rule out the possibility of
> interference, and the possibility of the wireless devices going
> defective.
>
> If your router has jacks for a hard network connection, I suggest to
> connect the computer directly to the router. Run this way for a while to
> prove if it is the wireless that is the problem.
The OP said: "The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old.
I have a pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the
modem"
>
> Many times when I have seen intermittent or failing wireless
> connections, the fault turned out to be an interference from something
> else.
Agree. Also the one that had be scratching my head the most was the
laptop that wouldn't connect to a wireless AP that everyone else would
but would connect to other APs without a problem. Turned out that the
laptop was brought to the UK from the States and the UK has a few more
channels allocated and the UK AP was using a channel that the US
wireless card driver didn't allow:-)
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:22:29 -1200, Kadaitcha Man aided th' terraists with
the following claims :
> wisdomkiller & pain, ye pea-brained most lofty runaway, hang yourself,
> you muddy conger, ye quibbled:
>
>> sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
>>
>>> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
>>> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
>>> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
>>> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>>> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>>> then plug it back in.
>>>
>>> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
>>
>> Wait ... I have a MR814V3 here sitting somewhere in the dark, which did
>> the same, first about once a day, then every other hour before I
>> swapped it. Now, since I don't actually need wireless, I reanimated the
>> older V2 model where wireless already has died - but at least that one
>> does not (or rarely at least) drop out.
>
> And that fucking well helps him how, you fuckwitted cunt?
You know its "traffic shaping" and all the ISP's are doing it now.
He prolly runs bittorent and gets kicked off when he fires it up or does
any https-related downloads.
Time Warner sucks.
Case Closed.
>Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>> sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
>>
>>> And the
>>> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>>> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>>> then plug it back in.
>>
>> Hum, I just thought that was how you played COD4. Ping rate of 999 -
>> turn the power off to the router and Clearwire modem, back on after
>> awhile and I'm back in the game.
>>
>> I couldn't tell you, purchase one and if it acts the same take it
>> back.
>"Please Mr Shopkeeper, I bought this router to find out if my Internet
>connection was faulty. Can I have a refund please?" Yeah, right....
No, my wife purchased this for me as a suprise so I don't need this
one - refund!
Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
> Desk Rabbit <nospam@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>> sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the
>>>> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
>>>> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
>>>> then plug it back in.
>>>
>>> Hum, I just thought that was how you played COD4. Ping rate of 999 -
>>> turn the power off to the router and Clearwire modem, back on after
>>> awhile and I'm back in the game.
>>>
>>> I couldn't tell you, purchase one and if it acts the same take it
>>> back.
>
>> "Please Mr Shopkeeper, I bought this router to find out if my
>> Internet connection was faulty. Can I have a refund please?" Yeah,
>> right....
>
> No, my wife purchased this for me as a suprise so I don't need this
> one - refund!
That won't explain why you opened the box.
But at least in the US, places like Staples have a 14-day no questions
asked refund policy on certain electronics. When the office router
appeared to be fadin' fast, we bought one at Staples, used it until it
was obvious that it was not the router but Verizon and returned it
thereafter. No problem.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something
which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he
will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is
explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell
sheldon@sheldon.notadomain wrote:
> What confuses me is that I'd think that if
> the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
> period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
> router. Can routers die like this?
Yes. They can get hot and fail only once a certain temperature is
reached. They can have a bad PSU which only periodically falls over.
They can fail under heavy load if poorly designed. As they age, all of
this can get worse as the components get stressed by repeated heating
and cooling. etc etc
> Over the past few weeks, I've had a lot of unexplained outages for my
> home internet connection. It's not been my ISP (at least Time Warner
> always claims there's no outage in my area when I call). And the
> outages either last a couple minutes, max, or if prolonged, they
> immediately vanish when I unplug my router, wait a couple minutes,
> then plug it back in.
>
> The router is a Netgear MR814, more than five years old. I have a
> pretty decent and recent XP machine hardwired into it from the modem,
> and it supports, through a wireless connection, three other computers
> in our house. The firmware for the router is the most current
> version, although that is several years old.
>
> I know nothing lasts forever, but it really looks like my internet
> outages are traceable to the router (I've had Time Warner out to check
> the modem and it's fine). What confuses me is that I'd think that if
> the router were to go bad, it would just die and not work, ever,
> period. What I have is 98%+ uptime, always fixable by recycling the
> router. Can routers die like this?
>
> If I need to replace the router, what's a good recommendation? I
> don't need anything fancy. I have my eyes on a Netgear WGR614,
> although that too is a pretty old model.
What you never mentioned is if any other hosts are also connected to the
suspect router. If not or the other hosts are yours (so you won't
impact anyone else with a loss of Internet connectivity), just connect
your host direct to the cable modem and track any outages after that
over several days. If you are using the router's wireless feature
(which is assumed since you cross-posted to a wireless newsgroup),
you'll have to buy a long CAT5 cable to run to from your host to your
cable modem during the testing. Then see if the sporadic outages still
occur. If the outages still occur, the router isn't the problem.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:35:48 -0400, "JANA" <jana@NOSPAMca.inter.net>
wrote:
>If you are going wireless, you have to rule out the possibility of
>interference, and the possibility of the wireless devices going
>defective.
>
>If your router has jacks for a hard network connection, I suggest to
>connect the computer directly to the router. Run this way for a while to
>prove if it is the wireless that is the problem.
>
>If the wireless is the problem, it may be the transceiver at the
>computer, or the transceiver in the router. I would think the one in the
>computer would be easier to substitute to test it.
>
>If the router is proven okay and with a new transceiver for the
>computer, then the transceiver in the router (most are not changeable),
>may be defective. At this point you would have to try a new router to
>know for sure.
>
>Many times when I have seen intermittent or failing wireless
>connections, the fault turned out to be an interference from something
>else.
The three wireless devices:
- An ancient Mac G3 laptop, that I never move. It has a wireless card
in it that I purchased at the same time as the router (5 1/2 years
ago), and is about 8-10 feet from the router, with zero walls between
them.
- An IBM (Lenovo) Thinkpad that is typically used 25-30 feet away, on
the same floor, with two walls between it and the router. It came
with wireless capability built in, about a year ago.
- A desktop machine that is one floor below, maybe 15 feet away, the
floor but no walls beween them, and that's been in place for six
months. It was preceeded by a much older computer, Netgear wireless
card, that was in the same location for three years or so.
Anyway, I didn't just "introduce wireless" to the household; we've had
it for several years. And the internet outages hit even the main
computer that is hardwired to the router, then disappear when I
recycle the router.
Perhaps I can play around with plugging the computer into a different
router port. Although I'm at about 50 hours of what I am guessing
100% uptime for my connectivity.
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:39:17 -0400, sheldon aided th' terraists with the
following claims :
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:56:45 -0700, §ñühwØ£f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>>He prolly runs bittorent and gets kicked off when he fires it up or does
>>any https-related downloads.
>
> Nope. No torrents or any other bandwidth-busters of any kind.
Can a router die in spurts? 
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