checking my router

Hi,

I connected my wireless router to my dekstop PC *with a cable*. I
didn't put encryption. Currently, my pc's HD crashed needs replacement
and I am using my brother's desktop. So when I put 192.168.1.1 via my
brother's desktop at the address bar of a browswer, I was prompted to
enter user id and password. But I don't remember setting up a password.


What's happening?

Amanda wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I connected my wireless router to my dekstop PC *with a cable*. I
> didn't put encryption. Currently, my pc's HD crashed needs replacement
> and I am using my brother's desktop. So when I put 192.168.1.1 via my
> brother's desktop at the address bar of a browswer, I was prompted to
> enter user id and password. But I don't remember setting up a password.
>
>
> What's happening?
>

The user ID and password are in the manual. If you ever have to do to a
*hard* reset on the router with holding the *Reset* button down for 30
seconds or more, the router is going to set all of it's settings back to
its out of the box default state. That will be the one for user ID and
PSW in the manual and all other settings returned to their default settings.

You might want to look at the link and change the user-id and psw to
something else, as everyone else knows the default on the router.

http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/wire...aa112203_2.htm

BTW, in that other post about the print server, you should use a static
IP on the router for the print server wired or wireless.

You don't want the print server using a DHCP IP issued by the router,
because with the DHCP IP used by the print server, the computers
networking with the print server will not work anymore as the are locked
in the the IP the print server is using.

If for some reason that the router's DHCP server issue a new IP to the
print server, the computers will not be able to find it. That won't
happen with a static IP used by the print server. The *D* in DHCP means
Dynamic.

Duane :)

"Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>I connected my wireless router to my dekstop PC *with a cable*. I
>didn't put encryption. Currently, my pc's HD crashed needs replacement
>and I am using my brother's desktop. So when I put 192.168.1.1 via my
>brother's desktop at the address bar of a browswer, I was prompted to
>enter user id and password. But I don't remember setting up a password.

You also don't seem able to remember to supply the maker and model
number of your wireless router. Is it a secret? If you disclose this
information, there are lists of default logins and passwords
available.

>What's happening?

Not much. I get to spend the weekend cleaning house, laundry, dump
run, munching blackberries, and if I have time, maybe fix a Wiltron
network analyzer.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Duane Arnold wrote:
> Amanda wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I connected my wireless router to my dekstop PC *with a cable*. I
> > didn't put encryption. Currently, my pc's HD crashed needs replacement
> > and I am using my brother's desktop. So when I put 192.168.1.1 via my
> > brother's desktop at the address bar of a browswer, I was prompted to
> > enter user id and password. But I don't remember setting up a password.
> >
> >
> > What's happening?
> >
>
> The user ID and password are in the manual. If you ever have to do to a
> *hard* reset on the router with holding the *Reset* button down for 30
> seconds or more, the router is going to set all of it's settings back to
> its out of the box default state. That will be the one for user ID and
> PSW in the manual and all other settings returned to their default settings.

>
> You might want to look at the link and change the user-id and psw to
> something else, as everyone else knows the default on the router.

Thanks for warning me about the psw. Now I remember.

I did change user name (remember it) but I don't remember about
changing pwd. So it's left at default. Actually, I wasn't interested in
using my wireless router because I had only one PC and didn't want to
fuss with it but a visiting friend wanted to use internet from his
laptop and did the set up with me. I wanted him to help me put
encryption but he was like "you don't need it". He did leave

Under "Administration" tab, along with default psw for the Router,
Remote Management and UPnP were set to disable. I just change the
password.

>
> http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/wire...aa112203_2.htm

I read the above link and Step 3 talks about encryption. I should do
the encryption at my place so that when I got to my sister's hosue to
work on settign up her printer server, I will be able to figure out
what has been on her wireless router configuration.

Is there any link for the instruction to put encryption?

>
> BTW, in that other post about the print server, you should use a static
> IP on the router for the print server wired or wireless.

Does that mean, a static IP address needs to be purchased from the ISP
and use it for setting up the rpints server?

>
> You don't want the print server using a DHCP IP issued by the router,
> because with the DHCP IP used by the print server, the computers
> networking with the print server will not work anymore as the are locked
> in the the IP the print server is using.

I see.

I just read DHCP Primer - about half way through - at
http://www.webmonkey.com//00/39/index3a.html?tw=backend


> If for some reason that the router's DHCP server issue a new IP to the
> print server, the computers will not be able to find it. That won't
> happen with a static IP used by the print server. The *D* in DHCP means
> Dynamic.

So, I (my sister), needs to buy a new IP address from the ISP before
setting up the print server, right?

I hate spending time on networking stuff (cus I want to study my
programming stuff) and I am having to do all this thanks to my sister
and I want to do it right. Oh, well.

Thanks for helping me.

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
> >I connected my wireless router to my dekstop PC *with a cable*. I
> >didn't put encryption. Currently, my pc's HD crashed needs replacement
> >and I am using my brother's desktop. So when I put 192.168.1.1 via my
> >brother's desktop at the address bar of a browswer, I was prompted to
> >enter user id and password. But I don't remember setting up a password.
>
> You also don't seem able to remember to supply the maker and model
> number of your wireless router. Is it a secret?

No, it wasn't intentionally done. I am more pressed with setting up the
print server for my sister than my wireless net work issue. I can just
remove my woreless router and connect my PC to the modem but I should
put encryption instead.

I was just trying to be over with my sister's issue - she moved to the
*rich* people area, away from everything that if I need a cable, it
would take me 30 mins or more to go pick up from the nearest store. So
I got busy trying to make sure about all the necessary hardware before
heading to her place.

This networking stuff is not priority on my list of things to do but I
am in the middle of it now. Want to be done with it ASAP.

> If you disclose this information, there are lists of default logins and passwords
> available.

Thanks. I found the default. I always save the manual. Just didn't
remember the need to use psw.

>
> >What's happening?
>
> Not much. I get to spend the weekend cleaning house, laundry, dump
> run, munching blackberries, and if I have time, maybe fix a Wiltron
> network analyzer.

A man cleaning house? Impressive.



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"Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>I was just trying to be over with my sister's issue - she moved to the
>*rich* people area, away from everything that if I need a cable, it
>would take me 30 mins or more to go pick up from the nearest store. So
>I got busy trying to make sure about all the necessary hardware before
>heading to her place.

I know the feeling. The nearest Radio Shack store is 20 minutes away.
Worse, my palatial office is 45 minutes away. So, if I need a
connector, cable, or whatever, I often chose to buy a new one, rather
than drive all the way to my office. It's also often easier to buy a
new item, than to try and remember where I buried it. The unintended
consequence is that I have a substantial inventory of duplicated junk
in my office and my house. I also have a fair amount of duplicated
junk in my truck.

Whenever I go on service calls, I like to take extras of everything
with me. Extra routers, extra switches, extra cables, power strips,
and such. I frequently sell mice, cables, power strips, adapters,
keyboards, and other computer expendables.

>A man cleaning house? Impressive.

Bachelor, curmudgeon, and possibly turning into a mad hermit. Cleaning
house largely consists of recovering floor and table space by building
tall piles of paper and junk.
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hom...ingRoom01.html

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5 Aug 2006 09:23:10 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1154794990.578234.18970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups. com>:

>> >What's happening?
>>
>> Not much. I get to spend the weekend cleaning house, laundry, dump
>> run, munching blackberries, and if I have time, maybe fix a Wiltron
>> network analyzer.
>
>A man cleaning house? Impressive.

A man's idea of cleaning:
1. Kick stuff under the bed.
2. Kick dirty laundry into single pile.
3. Run water in bathroom sinks.
4. Close open porn magazines.
5. Dump dirty dishes in sink.
6. Start new garbage bag.
7. Close pizza box on one remaining slice, and put in refrigerator.
8. Eat rest of potato chips, wad up bag, and toss at full wastebasket.
9. Drain left over beer cans, and crush on forehead.
10. Use a leaf blower on dust.
11. Turn lights down.

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Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
> >I was just trying to be over with my sister's issue - she moved to the
> >*rich* people area, away from everything that if I need a cable, it
> >would take me 30 mins or more to go pick up from the nearest store. So
> >I got busy trying to make sure about all the necessary hardware before
> >heading to her place.
>
> I know the feeling. The nearest Radio Shack store is 20 minutes away.
> Worse, my palatial office is 45 minutes away. So, if I need a
> connector, cable, or whatever, I often chose to buy a new one, rather
> than drive all the way to my office. It's also often easier to buy a
> new item, than to try and remember where I buried it. The unintended
> consequence is that I have a substantial inventory of duplicated junk
> in my office and my house. I also have a fair amount of duplicated
> junk in my truck.

There were a lot of junks at my sister's old house - walking distance
to my place - but my useless, twin sister living there is a pain. She
changed the lock - she is in a losing battle competing with me:)- and
it's just exhausting to call and set a time to go there when she is
home. The stuff at the old house were bought by my brother (the baby)
who used to live there (moved to LA). As staples and frys were closed
by, he wouldn't even look for things - even for screwdrivers and stuff
- in the garage and would run to the store. Enough about the
disfunctions in my family:)-

>
> Whenever I go on service calls, I like to take extras of everything
> with me. Extra routers, extra switches, extra cables, power strips,
> and such. I frequently sell mice, cables, power strips, adapters,
> keyboards, and other computer expendables.
>
> >A man cleaning house? Impressive.
>
> Bachelor, curmudgeon, and possibly turning into a mad hermit. Cleaning
> house largely consists of recovering floor and table space by building
> tall piles of paper and junk.

Terrible.

> http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hom...ingRoom01.html

With my rhinitis condition (non allergic), in that kind of room, I'll
be having severe sinus drainage as my body fights unknown particles
during breathing process:)- I keep mimimun things at my place,
minimizing requirement to dust the items. No trinkets and decorative
items like most females keep.

>
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> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

John Navas wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2006 09:23:10 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154794990.578234.18970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups. com>:
>
> >> >What's happening?
> >>
> >> Not much. I get to spend the weekend cleaning house, laundry, dump
> >> run, munching blackberries, and if I have time, maybe fix a Wiltron
> >> network analyzer.
> >
> >A man cleaning house? Impressive.
>
> A man's idea of cleaning:
> 1. Kick stuff under the bed.
> 2. Kick dirty laundry into single pile.

Reminds me of my baby brother whom my sister (oldest one) had to
literally supervise him to pick them up and put in the washer when he
was living with her:)- He got married now. To be fair, he does like to
cook, mainly broiling but not good with cleaning up afterward.

> 3. Run water in bathroom sinks.
> 4. Close open porn magazines.
> 5. Dump dirty dishes in sink.
> 6. Start new garbage bag.
> 7. Close pizza box on one remaining slice, and put in refrigerator.
> 8. Eat rest of potato chips, wad up bag, and toss at full wastebasket.
> 9. Drain left over beer cans, and crush on forehead.

> 10. Use a leaf blower on dust.

That's terrible.

> 11. Turn lights down.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

Duane Arnold wrote:
[..]

>
> http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/wire...aa112203_2.htm

Thanks for the link. Reminded me how I was so concern about security a
couple of year ago despite nothing too important in my PC. But privacy
is important to me and I just put the encryption, easily I might add,
since linksys website has made it easy. Would have gone there and look
for instruction had I not been so overwhelmed with things.

Again, thanks since the link you gave me scared me enough to take an
action:)- When I moved to an apartment, I will feel safe.

> I hate spending time on networking stuff (cus I want to study my
> programming stuff) and I am having to do all this thanks to my sister
> and I want to do it right. Oh, well.

Well, you don't see about the use of the DHCP IP and static IP(s). The
router itself has a DHCP server. The print server computer or device
that's connected to the router will have it's Network Interface Card
(NIC), yeah the print server has one too, set to Obtain an IP from the
Network Automatically from the DHCP Server on the network.

In your case, the DHCP server is part of the router. So any device
requesting an IP from the router, the router is going to issue one to
the device.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DHCP.html

Now, if the the print server is set to use a DHCP IP on the router and
computers that have been setup to print to the printer are locked in on
the IP that the print server has assigned to it, what's going to happen
if the IP changes that the print server was using, because the DHCP
server on the router for whatever reason decided to give it a different
IP?

Well, the computers locked in on the previous IP the print server had
are not going to work anymore, because they knew about the other IP the
print server use to have assigned to it.

The solution is to configure the print server to use a static IP on the
router an IP that is not under the control of the DHCP server on the
router. The print server manual will have instructions setting it up for
using a static IP on the router.

This is an example of the DHCP server usage on any router, but I am
using the one for a Linksys router. The router has a DHCP IP Issue
Counter that's set to 50 on Linksys I think. It's a changeable setting.

The *default* start of the DHCP IP(s) for the router start at
192.168.1.100. If DHCP Issue count is 50, then
192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150 are IP(s) that can be issued to any device
requesting a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the router.

192.168.1.151-192.168.1.254 are static IP(s), because they are not under
the control of the DHCP server on the router.

The Device IP for the router, that's the IP you enter into a browser's
URL line to access the router admin setup is 192.168.1.1. IP(s)
192.168.1.2-192.168.1.99 are static IP(s).

Here is an example of how to setup a computer's NIC or any device to use
a static IP on the router, instead of a DHCP issued by the router.

http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...hp?p_faqid=534

Yes, even the router can be setup to Obtain an IP Automatically from the
ISP's DHCP server or the router or it can be setup to use a static IP
issued by the ISP so that the router's IP will never change.

The static IP would be for your network the router represent, because
you had a WEB server running behind the router and you wanted that
public facing IP to never change, as an example foe the usage of a
static IP from the ISP.

The WEB server would be using a static IP on the router and not a DHCP
IP on the router so the incoming WEB traffic to the WEB server would be
routed to the static IP the WEB server was using on the LAN behind the
router.

What would happen to the port forwarding rules on the router you setup
for WEB traffic to be forwarded to the WEB server machine that was using
a DHCP IP on the rules and that IP was changed by the DHCP server?

Duane :)

Duane Arnold wrote:
> > I hate spending time on networking stuff (cus I want to study my
> > programming stuff) and I am having to do all this thanks to my sister
> > and I want to do it right. Oh, well.
>
> Well, you don't see about the use of the DHCP IP and static IP(s). The
> router itself has a DHCP server. The print server computer or device
> that's connected to the router will have it's Network Interface Card
> (NIC), yeah the print server has one too, set to Obtain an IP from the
> Network Automatically from the DHCP Server on the network.

Okay.

>
> In your case, the DHCP server is part of the router. So any device
> requesting an IP from the router, the router is going to issue one to
> the device.
>
> http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DHCP.html

I see.

>
> Now, if the the print server is set to use a DHCP IP on the router and
> computers that have been setup to print to the printer are locked in on
> the IP that the print server has assigned to it, what's going to happen
> if the IP changes that the print server was using, because the DHCP
> server on the router for whatever reason decided to give it a different
> IP?
>
> Well, the computers locked in on the previous IP the print server had
> are not going to work anymore, because they knew about the other IP the
> print server use to have assigned to it.
>
> The solution is to configure the print server to use a static IP on the
> router an IP that is not under the control of the DHCP server on the
> router. The print server manual will have instructions setting it up for
> using a static IP on the router.

Great.

>
> This is an example of the DHCP server usage on any router, but I am
> using the one for a Linksys router.

I just called my sister and asked her about the manual or whatever
stuff that came with the wireless router she got her ISP set it up for
her. She said "I have a folder; you can look in it."

>The router has a DHCP IP Issue
> Counter that's set to 50 on Linksys I think. It's a changeable setting.
>
> The *default* start of the DHCP IP(s) for the router start at
> 192.168.1.100. If DHCP Issue count is 50, then
> 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.150 are IP(s) that can be issued to any device
> requesting a DHCP IP from the DHCP server on the router.
>
> 192.168.1.151-192.168.1.254 are static IP(s), because they are not under
> the control of the DHCP server on the router.
>
> The Device IP for the router, that's the IP you enter into a browser's
> URL line to access the router admin setup is 192.168.1.1. IP(s)
> 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.99 are static IP(s).
>
> Here is an example of how to setup a computer's NIC or any device to use
> a static IP on the router, instead of a DHCP issued by the router.
>
> http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...hp?p_faqid=534

Thanks.

>
> Yes, even the router can be setup to Obtain an IP Automatically from the
> ISP's DHCP server or the router or it can be setup to use a static IP
> issued by the ISP so that the router's IP will never change.
>
> The static IP would be for your network the router represent, because
> you had a WEB server running behind the router and you wanted that
> public facing IP to never change, as an example foe the usage of a
> static IP from the ISP.
>
> The WEB server would be using a static IP on the router and not a DHCP
> IP on the router so the incoming WEB traffic to the WEB server would be
> routed to the static IP the WEB server was using on the LAN behind the
> router.
>
> What would happen to the port forwarding rules on the router you setup
> for WEB traffic to be forwarded to the WEB server machine that was using
> a DHCP IP on the rules and that IP was changed by the DHCP server?

I will re-read your post again and the link you gave on how to setup a
computer's NIC or any device to use a static IP on the router ... soon
once I take care of other things I have been ignoring. I may have some
question. Thansk for the help.



>
> Duane :)

"Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>There were a lot of junks at my sister's old house - walking distance
>to my place - but my useless, twin sister living there is a pain.

I've been told that it isn't possible to divorce a brother or sister.
I solved the problem years ago by moving far away from the relatives.

>... he wouldn't even look for things - even for screwdrivers and stuff
>- in the garage and would run to the store. Enough about the
>disfunctions in my family:)-

I do the same thing. Therefore, your brother is deemed normal.

>> Bachelor, curmudgeon, and possibly turning into a mad hermit. Cleaning
>> house largely consists of recovering floor and table space by building
>> tall piles of paper and junk.
>
>Terrible.

Sorry. When I bought the house 30+ years ago, I forgot one important
item; a garage. Without a garage, there's no place to store the junk.
Therefore, parts of the house vaguely resemble the typical garage.
| http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hom.../BL-shop4.html

House cleaning was interrupted today by a local customer demanding
that I get their DirecWay/Hughesnet dish realigned after they tried
unsuccessfully to move the dish to another location (to avoid moving
trees). Since there are a large number of people sharing the system,
this was deemed a priority.

>With my rhinitis condition (non allergic), in that kind of room, I'll
>be having severe sinus drainage as my body fights unknown particles
>during breathing process:)-

Bummer. You won't do well in the forest. In Feb(?), the redwoods
dump tons of pollen on everything. The oaks do it somewhat later.
Lots of dust everywhere. Also the acacia bushes, dust from the
semi-dirt road, and general dusting from the dried clay soil. Of
course the wood burning stove generates some ash dust. Some of my
local friends are moving to Palm Springs because their asthma has
become unbearable.

Yeah, I know. Topic drift...

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
> >There were a lot of junks at my sister's old house - walking distance
> >to my place - but my useless, twin sister living there is a pain.
>
> I've been told that it isn't possible to divorce a brother or sister.
> I solved the problem years ago by moving far away from the relatives.
>
> >... he wouldn't even look for things - even for screwdrivers and stuff
> >- in the garage and would run to the store. Enough about the
> >disfunctions in my family:)-
>
> I do the same thing. Therefore, your brother is deemed normal.

He single-handely managed to lose every tools in the house while
growing up back in *SE Asia*. We had a whole set of tools that out
oldest brother brought when he assembled a bicycle he bought for me
during his trip to Singapore. I was 10, the baby brother was 7 1/2.
The child started playing with those tool as he became a boy and by the
time I finished highschool- that's 16 back there - there was no trace
of any thing from that big set. His habit never got improved and I
don't think it's that normal.

>
> >> Bachelor, curmudgeon, and possibly turning into a mad hermit. Cleaning
> >> house largely consists of recovering floor and table space by building
> >> tall piles of paper and junk.
> >
> >Terrible.
>
> Sorry. When I bought the house 30+ years ago, I forgot one important
> item; a garage. Without a garage, there's no place to store the junk.
> Therefore, parts of the house vaguely resemble the typical garage.
> | http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hom.../BL-shop4.html
>
> House cleaning was interrupted today by a local customer demanding
> that I get their DirecWay/Hughesnet dish realigned after they tried
> unsuccessfully to move the dish to another location (to avoid moving
> trees). Since there are a large number of people sharing the system,
> this was deemed a priority.

Nice of you.

>
> >With my rhinitis condition (non allergic), in that kind of room, I'll
> >be having severe sinus drainage as my body fights unknown particles
> >during breathing process:)-
>
> Bummer. You won't do well in the forest.

Rather the opposite. I do very well in the forest. I don't do well
with indoor pollution. Eithgty percent of household dust is dead skin
from human. That needs to be removed constantly along with dust via
regular but thorough vacuuming.

> In Feb(?), the redwoods
> dump tons of pollen on everything.

That's why I said mine is non-allergic. I have no problem with pollen
the way an allergic person does.

> The oaks do it somewhat later.
> Lots of dust everywhere. Also the acacia bushes, dust from the
> semi-dirt road, and general dusting from the dried clay soil. Of
> course the wood burning stove generates some ash dust. Some of my
> local friends are moving to Palm Springs because their asthma has
> become unbearable.

I am new to this state and have heard about Palm Srping but don't know
exactly where that is.

>
> Yeah, I know. Topic drift...

Back to topic then..


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On 6 Aug 2006 16:27:25 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>... I don't do well
>with indoor pollution. Eithgty percent of household dust is dead skin
>from human.

Not according to my allergist, who rants about dust mites and indoor
pollen, as well as chemical outgassing from plastics and whatnot.

> I am new to this state and have heard about Palm Srping but don't know
>exactly where that is.

East of LA in the desert. Effectively a different state.

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> On 6 Aug 2006 16:27:25 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154906845.591916.106900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >... I don't do well
> >with indoor pollution. Eithgty percent of household dust is dead skin
> >from human.
>
> Not according to my allergist, who rants about dust mites and indoor
> pollen, as well as chemical outgassing from plastics and whatnot.

Dust mites are really bad. Older building might have mpre of those. I
seem to handle pollen a bit better than most people but only time will
tell as I have been in this pollen city for only 3 years.

Chemicals are bad news for me. (Funny things is that I was a chemist.)
I feel best outdoor - I can breathe better - but only when the
temperature is *perfect*. A little hotter and I get headace. So very
limited social life as I am required to live in a controlled
environment but it has become a preference:)-

>
> > I am new to this state and have heard about Palm Srping but don't know
> >exactly where that is.
>
> East of LA in the desert.

I thought so; someone mentioned the name once.

> Effectively a different state.

Will NEVER move to LA:)-


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"Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>He single-handely managed to lose every tools in the house while
>growing up back in *SE Asia*.

My electric train set, Erector set, and collection of tools all
evaporated over the years. You can demonstrate the effect by leaving
a jar full of candies or chocolate in a high traffic area. Over a
period of a few days, everything in the jar will evaporate without
anyone claiming they took some. Sorry, but your brother is normal.

>> House cleaning was interrupted today by a local customer demanding
>> that I get their DirecWay/Hughesnet dish realigned after they tried
>> unsuccessfully to move the dish to another location (to avoid moving
>> trees). Since there are a large number of people sharing the system,
>> this was deemed a priority.

>Nice of you.

It was the usual problem of True North versus Magnetic North. Also, a
rather bad job of setting the mounting pipe to vertical. They didn't
realize how critical that was. However, I shouldn't have gone as I'm
trying to sell them on the idea of getting rid of the
DirecWay/Hughesnet satellite link and going to terrestrial wireless or
FTTF (fiber through the forest).

>Rather the opposite. I do very well in the forest. I don't do well
>with indoor pollution. Eithgty percent of household dust is dead skin
>from human. That needs to be removed constantly along with dust via
>regular but thorough vacuuming.

I thought that dust mites eat the dead skin. What most people react
to is the excretement from the dust mites. I've looked at house and
office dust under a microscope and find it mostly a mixture of road
dust and carpet fiber. I found plenty of dead skin, but not 80%. In
one office, the dust was overwhelmingly fiberglass insulation that had
gotten sucked into the HVAC ducting. I also check the remains from
what computer fans collect. It's almost all carpet fiber.

>I am new to this state and have heard about Palm Srping but don't know
>exactly where that is.

Welcome to the bankrupt state of California.
http://www.treasurer.ca.gov
Only $23.5 billion in the hole and climbing. Sigh.

Palm Springs is a vacation spot and tourist trap east of Smog Angeles.
The main attraction is the weather. It's hot, but the humidity is
very low, so you don't really feel the heat too much. Basically
desert.
http://www.psview.com/weather/Default.aspx
94F and 30% humidity at 8PM in the evening. Ugh. My friends claim
that it will be good for their asthma. Dunno.

>> Yeah, I know. Topic drift...
>
>Back to topic then..

Naw. I'm bored. Ummmm.... what was the topic?


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On 6 Aug 2006 19:53:09 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1154919188.942825.295500@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups .com>:

>John Navas wrote:

>> Not according to my allergist, who rants about dust mites and indoor
>> pollen, as well as chemical outgassing from plastics and whatnot.
>
>Dust mites are really bad. Older building might have mpre of those. I
>seem to handle pollen a bit better than most people but only time will
>tell as I have been in this pollen city for only 3 years.
>
>Chemicals are bad news for me.

For many people -- they just don't know it.

>(Funny things is that I was a chemist.)

Things have a way of coming full circle. :) What now?

>I feel best outdoor -

Of course.

>I can breathe better - but only when the
>temperature is *perfect*. A little hotter and I get headace.

Yikes. Any idea why? Too many years in Dodge? ;)

>So very
>limited social life as I am required to live in a controlled
>environment but it has become a preference:)-

Ouch. Where are you living?

>Will NEVER move to LA:)-

I used to live there. Came up to the Bay Area on a "temporary"
assignment. Live Of My Life then married someone else. So I stayed
here. Toyed with going back (after she divorced him), but now can't
imagine why.

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On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:53:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
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>... Sorry, but your brother is normal.

In guy terms. Not in girl terms. ;)

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>>Back to topic then..
>
> Naw. I'm bored. Ummmm.... what was the topic?

Who cares this is much more interesting <g>
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John Navas wrote:
> On 6 Aug 2006 19:53:09 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154919188.942825.295500@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >John Navas wrote:
>
> >> Not according to my allergist, who rants about dust mites and indoor
> >> pollen, as well as chemical outgassing from plastics and whatnot.
> >
> >Dust mites are really bad. Older building might have mpre of those. I
> >seem to handle pollen a bit better than most people but only time will
> >tell as I have been in this pollen city for only 3 years.
> >
> >Chemicals are bad news for me.
>
> For many people -- they just don't know it.

Yes.

>
> >(Funny things is that I was a chemist.)
>
> Things have a way of coming full circle. :) What now?

Got out of it; got into Porgramming as a temp solution but stuck for
now.

> >I feel best outdoor -
>
> Of course.
>
> >I can breathe better - but only when the
> >temperature is *perfect*. A little hotter and I get headace.
>
> Yikes. Any idea why? Too many years in Dodge? ;)

Thea diagnosis - via CT Scan - was that an extra hole on each of middle
bones - both sides - in nasal passage causing insufficient clean air
intake. Susceptible to change in surrpoding temperature, atomsphere
pressure, smokes, strong smells , causing nasal membrance swelling,
i.e sinus headace.

>
> >So very
> >limited social life as I am required to live in a controlled
> >environment but it has become a preference:)-
>
> Ouch.

I am okay. Why would anyone want to go to bars and get sceondary
smoking - most states do not have the same rule as CA on smoking.
Foreign students keep their apartment dusty and I can't stand it.Asian
people tends not to use AC - low electric bill among other reasons -
and so it's hot in their place + cooking smell gives me headache.


> Where are you living?

The Capital city:)-

>
> >Will NEVER move to LA:)-
>
> I used to live there. Came up to the Bay Area on a "temporary"
> assignment. Live Of My Life then married someone else. So I stayed
> here. Toyed with going back (after she divorced him),

> but now can't imagine why.

I couldn't handle the effetc of pollution (+ heat) and moved from
Houston.


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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
> >He single-handely managed to lose every tools in the house while
> >growing up back in *SE Asia*.
>
> My electric train set, Erector set, and collection of tools all
> evaporated over the years. You can demonstrate the effect by leaving
> a jar full of candies or chocolate in a high traffic area. Over a
> period of a few days, everything in the jar will evaporate without
> anyone claiming they took some. Sorry, but your brother is normal.
>
> >> House cleaning was interrupted today by a local customer demanding
> >> that I get their DirecWay/Hughesnet dish realigned after they tried
> >> unsuccessfully to move the dish to another location (to avoid moving
> >> trees). Since there are a large number of people sharing the system,
> >> this was deemed a priority.
>
> >Nice of you.
>
> It was the usual problem of True North versus Magnetic North. Also, a
> rather bad job of setting the mounting pipe to vertical. They didn't
> realize how critical that was. However, I shouldn't have gone as I'm
> trying to sell them on the idea of getting rid of the
> DirecWay/Hughesnet satellite link and going to terrestrial wireless or
> FTTF (fiber through the forest).
>
> >Rather the opposite. I do very well in the forest. I don't do well
> >with indoor pollution. Eithgty percent of household dust is dead skin
> >from human. That needs to be removed constantly along with dust via
> >regular but thorough vacuuming.
>
> I thought that dust mites eat the dead skin. What most people react
> to is the excretement from the dust mites.

Right.

> I've looked at house and
> office dust under a microscope and find it mostly a mixture of road
> dust and carpet fiber. I found plenty of dead skin, but not 80%. In
> one office, the dust was overwhelmingly fiberglass insulation that had
> gotten sucked into the HVAC ducting. I also check the remains from
> what computer fans collect.

> It's almost all carpet fiber.
People are turning into hard wood floor.

>
> >I am new to this state and have heard about Palm Srping but don't know
> >exactly where that is.
>
> Welcome to the bankrupt state of California.
> http://www.treasurer.ca.gov
> Only $23.5 billion in the hole and climbing. Sigh.

Yeah, luck would have it, the dry climate hear is helping me.


>
> Palm Springs is a vacation spot and tourist trap east of Smog Angeles.
> The main attraction is the weather. It's hot, but the humidity is
> very low, so you don't really feel the heat too much. Basically
> desert.
> http://www.psview.com/weather/Default.aspx
> 94F and 30% humidity at 8PM in the evening. Ugh. My friends claim
> that it will be good for their asthma. Dunno.
>
> >> Yeah, I know. Topic drift...
> >
> >Back to topic then..
>
> Naw. I'm bored. Ummmm....

> what was the topic?

About asthma:)-



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On 7 Aug 2006 10:18:57 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1154971137.383696.124460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups .com>:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>> It's almost all carpet fiber.

>People are turning into hard wood floor.

Becoming petrified? ;)

I personally prefer ceramic tile.

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> On 7 Aug 2006 10:18:57 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154971137.383696.124460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> >> It's almost all carpet fiber.
>
> >People are turning into hard wood floor.
>
> Becoming petrified? ;)
>
> I personally prefer ceramic tile.

My downstairs is cermaic tile. It's cold in winter ; have rugs all over
but I hate it.


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On 7 Aug 2006 13:55:34 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>John Navas wrote:

>> I personally prefer ceramic tile.
>
>My downstairs is cermaic tile. It's cold in winter ; have rugs all over
>but I hate it.

I laid mine over heating wires.

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John Navas wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2006 13:55:34 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154984134.280917.232490@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >John Navas wrote:
>
> >> I personally prefer ceramic tile.
> >
> >My downstairs is cermaic tile. It's cold in winter ; have rugs all over
> >but I hate it.
>
> I laid mine over heating wires.

I heardaabout that when watching a program about AC/Heating. This is my
sister's house that she bought in a rush. I am planning to get out of
this town.

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On 7 Aug 2006 10:16:16 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1154970976.691324.138090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:

>John Navas wrote:

>> Yikes. Any idea why? Too many years in Dodge? ;)
>
>Thea diagnosis - via CT Scan - was that an extra hole on each of middle
>bones - both sides - in nasal passage causing insufficient clean air
>intake. Susceptible to change in surrpoding temperature, atomsphere
>pressure, smokes, strong smells , causing nasal membrance swelling,
>i.e sinus headace.

Whuff. I guess you missed my (apparently lame) attempt at humor.
<http://www.google.com/search?q=amanda+dodge+gunsmoke>

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> On 7 Aug 2006 10:16:16 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <1154970976.691324.138090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >John Navas wrote:
[..]

> Whuff. I guess you missed my (apparently lame) attempt at humor.
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=amanda+dodge+gunsmoke>
>

Amanda dodge? Never expected that.


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On 8 Aug 2006 04:24:40 -0700, mandyamin@gmail.com wrote in
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On 7 Aug 2006 10:16:16 -0700, "Amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> <1154970976.691324.138090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>:
>>
>> >John Navas wrote:
>[..]
>
>> Whuff. I guess you missed my (apparently lame) attempt at humor.
>> <http://www.google.com/search?q=amanda+dodge+gunsmoke>
>
>Amanda dodge? Never expected that.

Amanda Blake. Played Miss Kitty (Russell) on Gunsmoke. Ran a saloon
(with boarders). Got it now? ;)

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