Cisco - Thoughtless, Greedy, Consumer-hostile

<http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ision-mandator
y-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion>

TinyURL:
http://tinyurl.com/ciscogreedy

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Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

Wilbur Eleven (for it is he) wrote:

> http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ision-mandator
> y-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion

Poor old Cisco. They see a $67B corporation predicated on people handing
their personal data over for sale to the highest bidder and carrying around
tracking devices that report their every movement back to
Apple/Google/whoever, and they think "we'd like some of that". So they do
it, and what happens? The internet goes nuts. Ain't life a *****.

And "...encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or
regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.� If you haven't done
any of that, then I suggest you see a doctor, as it's possible you're
clinically dead.

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In article <jt4qq6$bcn$1@dont-email.me>, alexd <troffasky@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Wilbur Eleven (for it is he) wrote:
>
> > http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ision-mandator
> > y-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion
>
> Poor old Cisco. They see a $67B corporation predicated on people handing
> their personal data over for sale to the highest bidder and carrying around
> tracking devices that report their every movement back to
> Apple/Google/whoever, and they think "we'd like some of that". So they do
> it, and what happens? The internet goes nuts. Ain't life a *****.
>
> And "...encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or
> regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.� If you haven't done
> any of that, then I suggest you see a doctor, as it's possible you're
> clinically dead.

Heh. 'Specially on Usenet.

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Fine then, I'm drinking coffee and rolling cigarettes and looking
out at the hot baked street and a lady just walked by wiggling it
in tight white pants, and we are not dead yet.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:23:26 -0400, Wilbur Eleven
<wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:

><http://www.extremetech.com/computing/132142-ciscos-cloud-vision-mandatory-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion>
>
>TinyURL:
>http://tinyurl.com/ciscogreedy

The original FUD comments:
<http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service>

Cisco's back pedaling on the cloud issue.
<http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/cisco-backpedals-after-uproar-drops-cloud-from-default-router-setting/>

Not the best damage control by Cisco but good enough:
<http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/>

How to disable the formerly mandatory cloud based configuration:
<http://www6.nohold.net/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?pid=80&login=1&app=search&vw=1&articleid= 25856&donelr=1>
The affected models seem to be only E2700, E3500, and E4500.

Personally, I might trust Cisco to manage my customers home routers,
but I would not trust Linksys. I've seen too many screwups in the
past and see no benift as to why I should take the risk. I also
haven't seen a remote firmware update that actually works reliabily
(except for IOS style dual flash routers that can store both old and
new versions of the firmware). For me, it's wait a while and see what
happens.



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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 7/6/2012 8:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:23:26 -0400, Wilbur Eleven
> <wil@nowhere.at.all.ru.ca.fr.uk.us> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/132142-ciscos-cloud-vision-mandatory-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion>
>>
>> TinyURL:
>> http://tinyurl.com/ciscogreedy
>
> The original FUD comments:
> <http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service>
>
> Cisco's back pedaling on the cloud issue.
> <http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/cisco-backpedals-after-uproar-drops-cloud-from-default-router-setting/>
>
> Not the best damage control by Cisco but good enough:
> <http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/>
>
> How to disable the formerly mandatory cloud based configuration:
> <http://www6.nohold.net/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?pid=80&login=1&app=search&vw=1&articleid= 25856&donelr=1>
> The affected models seem to be only E2700, E3500, and E4500.
>
> Personally, I might trust Cisco to manage my customers home routers,
> but I would not trust Linksys. I've seen too many screwups in the
> past and see no benift as to why I should take the risk. I also
> haven't seen a remote firmware update that actually works reliabily
> (except for IOS style dual flash routers that can store both old and
> new versions of the firmware). For me, it's wait a while and see what
> happens.
>
>
>
Does anyone know where Linksys ends and Cisco begins? That would be in
regard to both hardware and software.

Maybe the solution is to buy hardware that supports open source firmware
and take the manufacturer halfway out of the equation.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:25:15 -0700, miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:

>Does anyone know where Linksys ends and Cisco begins? That would be in
>regard to both hardware and software.

If I support it, it's Cisco. If not, it's Linksys.

("Real" Cisco products are in this list here:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/doctypes/..._sitecopy.html)

Aaron

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:18:35 -0700, Aaron Leonard <Aaron@Cisco.COM>
wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:25:15 -0700, miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:
>>Does anyone know where Linksys ends and Cisco begins? That would be in
>>regard to both hardware and software.

>If I support it, it's Cisco. If not, it's Linksys.
>("Real" Cisco products are in this list here:
>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/doctypes/..._sitecopy.html)
>Aaron

Chuckle...

An easier way is the product name starts with a letter, it's Linksys.
If it starts with a number, it's Cisco.

There's also an easy way to tell which products are better. Only
superior products are worth counterfeiting. Many Cisco products have
been illegally cloned, while I don't know any Linksys products that
qualify.

If it requires an IT department to maintain, it's a Cisco product. If
the IT department won't touch it with a 3.05 meter pole, it's Linksys.

There's also a subtle difference in the Cisco logos. Real Cisco looks
like "CI$CO". Linksys by Cisco looks like "CIS¢O". The differences
also are reflected in the pricing.

Software is also easy to differentiate. Cisco comes with a router
management suite, SNMP MIB's, monitoring utilities, Netflow, and a
magic acronym decoder ring. Linksys comes with a "Run Me First" CD,
that usually doesn't quite work, and cartoon instructions for how to
use the automagic "One Button MisConfiguration" system. Both come
with many pages of legalese in a 2pt font, which nobody really reads.

Cisco also offers a wide variety of mutually exclusive options and
add-ons, most of which require a CCNE to untangle. These options
include human readable printed part numbers identifying everything,
except the product name, which is written in bar code. Linksys is
much easier because there are no options, no add-ons, intentionally
confusing model numbers, and nothing is labeled.



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On Friday, July 6, 2012 6:18:32 AM UTC-5, Wilbur Eleven wrote:
> In article &lt;jt4qq6$bcn$1@dont-email.me&gt;, alexd &lt;troffasky@hotmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>
> &gt; Wilbur Eleven (for it is he) wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ision-mandator
> &gt; &gt; y-monetized-and-killed-at-their-discretion

Good grief. What scum.

Dell is doing the same thing with their "Dell Stage" spying software that ships with their new laptops. If you real the EULA closely, it essentially says that Dell has the right to monitor everything that you do, and share the information with their partners. And then they go on to say something like, "Except for the service tag, Dell does not collect information that can identify you."

But everyone who works at Dell knows that the primary means by which Dell identifies a computer, and therefore EVERYTHING about the customer that bought the computer, is the service tag, so this statement a a flat out lie, ormisleading at best. The Dell Stage software essentially knows your name, address, phone number, email address...everything.

There are people in the world who spend most of their working hours thinking about how to pimp their customers, and they take great pride in being able to do so without violating the law. Their ethical standards are atrociously low. These people spend WEEKS, carefully going over the EULA wording, with their legal departments, to figure how how to get what they want (pimp out the customer) without breaking the law and without inadvertently tippingoff astute customers.

This has got to stop.

-Le Chaud Lapin-