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Old 02-17-2007, 07:09 AM
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Default D-Link WBR 2310 rebooting

I have a D-Link WBR 2310 wifi router the is constantly rebooting when there
is more than one computer attached.

I have two machines: one desktop and one laptop. The desktop is wired to the
router and is always on. The laptop can be either wired or wireless. I
currently have only a 802.11b card in my laptop. I have configured the
router to use WEP 1280-bit.

The reboot issue happens when I turn on my laptop (the desktop is always
on). If I connect the laptop using the wireless adaptor or wire it directly
to the router, the same problem happens. It seems like it happens every
20min or so. If I disconnect the laptop for the network, the router is
happy and works fine.

Anyone know how I can fix this?

Specs:
D-Link WBR 2310 802.11b/g router with firmware 1.03
Wireless adapter Linksys WPC11 ver. 3

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Old 02-17-2007, 07:39 AM
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Chris <chris@thisisnotanemailaddress.ca> hath wroth:

>I have a D-Link WBR 2310 wifi router the is constantly rebooting when there
>is more than one computer attached.


Are you sure that connecting the computer is the problem and not what
the computer is doing? For example, if the computer was hosting a P2P
file sharing program (i.e. BitTorrent), it might be crashing the
router due to a large number of IP sockets and buffers used.

Also, there's small chance that you might be getting attacked from the
internet. Go unto:
<http://www.pcflank.com/exploits.htm>
and try the router exploits test on your WBR-2310. I have a few older
routers that will either hang or reboot when hit with some of these
exploits. All the more recent routers pass all the tests without
incident. I don't think this is the problem, but it's worth checking.

Incidentally, you're not the only one with reboot problems. Search:
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16833127073>
for the word "reboot". There are 3 user comments with apparently the
same reboot problem.

It may also be this bug:
<http://www.crn.com/showArticle.jhtml;?articleID=192201446>
I don't understand the mechanism:
"If they have your administrator password, they can pass
packets that can cause routers to reboot," the D-Link
spokesperson said."

>I have two machines: one desktop and one laptop. The desktop is wired to the
>router and is always on. The laptop can be either wired or wireless. I
>currently have only a 802.11b card in my laptop. I have configured the
>router to use WEP 1280-bit.


I think you mean 128 bit WEP but I get the idea.

>The reboot issue happens when I turn on my laptop (the desktop is always
>on). If I connect the laptop using the wireless adaptor or wire it directly
>to the router, the same problem happens. It seems like it happens every
>20min or so. If I disconnect the laptop for the network, the router is
>happy and works fine.


Amazing. So it happens with both the wired and wireless connection.
Therefore it's not the wireless. Is there something unusual about
this laptop and it's 802.11b card? (Maker and model would be nice).
For example, is it running something other than W2K or XP? (The exact
OS would be nice). Anything unusual about the laptop setup, such as a
static IP address? (IP address layout of the system would be nice)?
Any chance there's a duplicate MAC or IP address?

Any chance you can borrow a 3rd computer and try it on your router?
I'm trying to determine if it's the presence of a 2nd computer that's
causing the problem (which implies a broken router), or if there's
something on the laptop that's causing the problem.

>Anyone know how I can fix this?


Nope. The best I can do is to identify the probable culprit. If it's
the router, it's probably defective.

>Specs:
>D-Link WBR 2310 802.11b/g router with firmware 1.03


<http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=WBR%2D2310>
Ok, that's the latest version firmware. You might want to call or
write DLink to determine if there are any beta version in the works.

>Wireless adapter Linksys WPC11 ver. 3


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Old 02-17-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: D-Link WBR 2310 rebooting

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Are you sure that connecting the computer is the problem and not what
> the computer is doing? Â*For example, if the computer was hosting a P2P
> file sharing program (i.e. BitTorrent), it might be crashing the
> router due to a large number of IP sockets and buffers used.


Now that you mention it, this does happen mostly when I'm playing an online
FPS (Tremulous, Enemy Territory, Doom3, etc.). I have my laptop on so that
I can browse the net while I wait to respawn (which that happens more often
than I like to admit ;))

I'm wondering now, if the high traffic caused by the online game is
overwhelming the router?

I will try disabling the wireless and have both machines connected. Perhaps
the wireless part of the router is causing the problem?

I tested the router with the exploit site and it passed.

My laptop uses openSUSE 10.2 and my desktop is openSUSE 10.1. I had this
same setup with my old Linksys wireless B router. That router was rock. I
had it for 4 years (I think) and didn't have a single problem with it.
Well, no problems until that router died. So I bought the D-Link wireless G
thinking that I would upgrade my wireless adaptor to G.

I think my next move is to contact D-Link. It's been my experience though
that companies tend not to help, so I'm not expecting much feedback from
them.

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Old 02-17-2007, 04:28 PM
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Chris <chris@thisisnotanemailaddress.ca> hath wroth:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that connecting the computer is the problem and not what
>> the computer is doing? *For example, if the computer was hosting a P2P
>> file sharing program (i.e. BitTorrent), it might be crashing the
>> router due to a large number of IP sockets and buffers used.


>Now that you mention it, this does happen mostly when I'm playing an online
>FPS (Tremulous, Enemy Territory, Doom3, etc.). I have my laptop on so that
>I can browse the net while I wait to respawn (which that happens more often
>than I like to admit ;))
>
>I'm wondering now, if the high traffic caused by the online game is
>overwhelming the router?


It's possible. It's not the amount of traffic that kills cheap
routers. It's the number of simultaneous connections (streams or IP
sockets) that require huge amounts of buffer memory in the router that
just isn't there. The router has to juggle what little RAM it has to
work with, and sometimes does it badly. I don't think that's the
cause but it's worth researching and tinkering with your usage
patterns to see if there's a connection. 20 minutes sounds like about
the time it would take to thoroughly scramble some buffers and create
an over-run that clobbers some other code that eventually initiates a
crash or reboot. It might be just one game that's causing it.
However, it shouldn't be happening and does seem to point to bad code
in the router.

>I will try disabling the wireless and have both machines connected. Perhaps
>the wireless part of the router is causing the problem?


I don't think so. The wireless bridge section (i.e. access point
section) is suppose to be just an extension cord for ethernet. It has
it's own collection of horrors but crashing the router or rebooting is
not one of them.

>I tested the router with the exploit site and it passed.


Oh well. That would have been too easy.

>My laptop uses openSUSE 10.2 and my desktop is openSUSE 10.1. I had this
>same setup with my old Linksys wireless B router. That router was rock.
>I had it for 4 years (I think) and didn't have a single problem with it.


That would probably be a BEFW11S4 v1, v2, or v4. When I was running
the v4 version at home, I thought it a horrible router. It would hang
or act weird for no obvious reason. I could hang it with 2 of the
router exploit tests. I had to constantly power cycle it to keep it
alive. I'll assume you had one of the other hardware versions.

I don't think this has anything to do with running SUSE unless you've
got some manner of custom packet generator, AP simulator, MAC address
flooder, ARP flooder, or similar IP packet hacking tools running.

>Well, no problems until that router died.


I've seen a few questions no failed BEFW11S4 v2 routers drift by this
newsgroup in the last year or so. Apparently, they have some type of
lifetime problem.

>So I bought the D-Link wireless G
>thinking that I would upgrade my wireless adaptor to G.


Well, that's generally a good idea.

>I think my next move is to contact D-Link. It's been my experience though
>that companies tend not to help, so I'm not expecting much feedback from
>them.


It's worth a try. There's a real chance that they know about the
problem and have a secret project to fix it with a bios update going.
This has happened a few times with other Dlink products (i.e. DI-624).
The problem is that it was in beta for what seemed like forever, the
only site that had it was in Italy, and the final version was released
dated from before the last beta version. If you're really
adventurous, go unto:
<ftp://ftp.dlink.com>
and see what you can excavate. I couldn't find anything with WBR2310
inscribed.

Also, note that the GPL code for most of DLink's routers has been
quietly released on some models that use Linux. Sorry, your WBR2310
is not listed.
<ftp://ftp.dlink.com/GPL/>
<http://gpl-violations.org>

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Old 02-17-2007, 04:42 PM
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> hath wroth:

><ftp://ftp.dlink.com>
>and see what you can excavate. I couldn't find anything with WBR2310
>inscribed.


Well, I found the directory:
<ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/wbr2310/Firmware>
Unfortunately, nothing but released firmware. Bummer.

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Old 02-17-2007, 06:23 PM
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> hath wroth:
>
>> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com>
>> and see what you can excavate. I couldn't find anything with WBR2310
>> inscribed.

>
> Well, I found the directory:
> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/wbr2310/Firmware>
> Unfortunately, nothing but released firmware. Bummer.
>

Seems some people have been running the DI-624 rev D 4.03 firmware to
cure the problem.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rema...ilite=wbr+2310


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Old 02-17-2007, 08:12 PM
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Kev wrote:

> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> hath wroth:
>>
>>> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com>
>>> and see what you can excavate. I couldn't find anything with WBR2310
>>> inscribed.

>>
>> Well, I found the directory:
>> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/wbr2310/Firmware>
>> Unfortunately, nothing but released firmware. Bummer.
>>

> Seems some people have been running the DI-624 rev D 4.03 firmware to
> cure the problem.
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rema...ilite=wbr+2310


I read the comments, but not much information on how many people got this to
work. I would think the router would reject the firmware? I guess not. I
downloaded the firmware, but I think I'll wait till I find out if more
people used this to fix the problem


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Old 02-17-2007, 11:08 PM
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:23:07 +0000, Kev <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> hath wroth:
>>
>>> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com>
>>> and see what you can excavate. I couldn't find anything with WBR2310
>>> inscribed.

>>
>> Well, I found the directory:
>> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Gateway/wbr2310/Firmware>
>> Unfortunately, nothing but released firmware. Bummer.


>Seems some people have been running the DI-624 rev D 4.03 firmware to
>cure the problem.
>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rema...ilite=wbr+2310


Nice. This might also help if you get into trouble:
<http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17587167>
Judging by various postings on DSLReports, spontaneous rebooting seems
to be common problem. There doesn't seem to be any "instructions" so
I guess it's just flash from the menu and hope for the best.

What's the FCC ID number on the WBR-2310? I wanna lookup the router
and can't seem to find the prefix.



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Old 02-17-2007, 11:20 PM
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> What's the FCC ID number on the WBR-2310? I wanna lookup the router
> and can't seem to find the prefix.


FCC ID: KA2DI624D2

IC: 4216A-WBR2310

H/W Ver: A1

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Old 02-17-2007, 11:42 PM
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:20:55 GMT, Chris
<chris@thisisnotanemailaddress.ca> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>> What's the FCC ID number on the WBR-2310? I wanna lookup the router
>> and can't seem to find the prefix.

>
>FCC ID: KA2DI624D2


Egads. It even says DI624 in the FCC ID model number.

>IC: 4216A-WBR2310
>H/W Ver: A1


<https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=266930&fcc_i d='KA2DI624D2'>

Amazing. The inside and outside photos are a DI-624, not the newer
WBR-2310. Looks like a DI-624, smells like a DI-624, must be a
DI-624. Digging through the other DI-624 certification pages, D-Link
has apparently obtained approval for various MiniPCI replacement
radios. However, nothing that looks like the WBR-2310 package.

However, the WBR-1310 was type certified in the correct package and
looks internally like a completely different product from the
WBR-2310.
<https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=239104&fcc_i d='KA2WBR1310'>
<https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=859479&fcc_i d='KA2WBR1310B1'>


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