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Old 09-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Fred Goodwin, CMA
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Default Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?

Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?

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http://tinyurl.com/37znxr

Holdouts don't see the need for broadband

12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News

Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.

Analysts who monitor such holdouts closer than investors monitor Ben
Bernanke say most dial-up users are kidding themselves. Broadband
Internet has spread faster than did telephones, radio or television,
and it will eventually become as common as any of them.

Pundits, meanwhile, ponder whether holdouts hurt the national economy
and debate what our impatience with dial-up says about us.

"Nearly 75 years elapsed between the invention of the telephone and
anything approaching universal adoption. Broadband Internet has
reached half the nation's homes in less than a decade," said Jim
Murphy, AT&T Corp.'s executive director for retail DSL.

"If you keep this history in mind, it's really not surprising that we
still have holdouts. It's only surprising that so many of us are
surprised."

I'm not surprised, though, because I've lived it - my father-in-law
was a holdout until a few months ago.

AT&T research reveals much about holdouts, some expected, some
surprising.

Holdout demographics do, of course, skew older and lower-income. Many
holdouts retired before fast Internet hit offices. Working holdouts
rarely use the Internet in the office.

In these days of $10 dial-up and $15 DSL, the actual costs rarely
prevent upgrades. In fact, people with a second phone line for dial-up
Internet can actually save by switching.

But some holdouts don't know that broadband is so cheap because they
never bother to investigate.

Others know they can afford to upgrade but don't see the need. This
group rarely goes online and sticks mostly to e-mail. And some members
of the club take pride in denying themselves anything as frivolous as
fast Internet.

"I just don't need it." "I don't mind waiting a couple seconds for a
page to load up." "How fast does it need to be?"

I heard all these explanations from my father-in-law, generally
accompanied by dismissive hand gestures. The battle only ended when
his son bought him DSL last Christmas.

"Children are broadband's greatest friend," said Sandra Carpenter,
Verizon Communications Inc.'s group manager of marketing for the Texas
region.


Fast-spreading

About 56 million U.S. homes subscribe to some sort of fast Internet,
and 21 million have dial-up.

Broadband enthusiasts use it so much that they often think it's been
around longer than it has.

Colleges and corporations got fast Internet in the 1990s, but
consumers had to wait. According to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, only 5 percent of Americans had fast
Internet in 2001 and just 15 percent had it in 2005.

These figures are strangely controversial; other sources put them far
higher, but you can see how new Internet ubiquity is by considering
where you got your news on Sept. 11 or even during Hurricane Katrina.

Only a few of you turned instantly to the Internet because only a few
of you had the sort of connection that makes the Internet an instant
source of news.

The explosive growth of fast Internet began in the middle of this
decade, when price drops and speed boosts began attracting more than 2
million households per quarter.

The conversion rate may be slowing. Broadband service providers added
only 1.2 million accounts during the three months ended June 30. That
said, second-quarter numbers are always weak, and half of the nation's
holdouts may have broadband by this time next year.

"We expect that 73 percent of all homes will have a broadband
connection by 2011," said Amanda Sabia, an analyst at Gartner
Research. "Most of the others won't be dial-up customers. They'll be
people who don't even own a computer."


Not for everyone

Analysts doubt we'll ever get to universal broadband. Some people just
aren't interested in the Internet; others will never learn to use it.
And roughly one in five Americans struggles to read well enough for
basic Internet use.

Such limitations will probably hold the U.S. far behind tech leaders
such as South Korea, which already boasts that 89 percent of its
households have fast connections. Eight other nations and territories
report broadband penetration above 67 percent.

Some say this puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage.

"It's not just the number of people with broadband but the sheer speed
of the broadband they have," said Andrew King, president of the
consulting firm Web Site Optimization.

"Some people question why anyone needs anything more than 2 or 3
megabits, but there are many possible uses. It would be a very big
deal if South Korean businesses could slash travel costs - or even
office costs - because their networks support high-definition video
conferencing for salespeople and telecommuters."

Others worry far less.

"Logic says broadband should spur economic development, but when you
crunch all the available data, you get underwhelming results," said
Robert Crandall, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a
Washington think tank.

"They show that broadband boosts employment slightly, but it's a minor
effect compared to factors like education."


Sales force

Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
Internet to every American.

Internet sellers advertise on television, over the radio and in print.
They set up booths at fairs. They send information through the mail.
They even go door to door.

"All we really have to do is get someone to give broadband a try,"
said Bill Kula, a Verizon spokesman. "Practically no one ever drops
broadband Internet and goes back to dial-up. I'm not sure I've ever
heard of anyone doing that."

Such assertions certainly match my experience. Less than six months
after getting basic DSL, my father-in-law upgraded his service again.

"I can't believe I waited as long as I did," he said. Then he
explained why he had no "need" for high-definition television.


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Old 09-04-2007, 09:28 PM
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On Sep 4, 2:29 pm, "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
>Internet to every American.


They also are eager to sell more fast Internet than they can reliably
provide.


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Old 09-05-2007, 01:04 AM
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188930580.365918.165960@w3g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ch/stories/DN-
> holdouts_04bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a81ac.html>
> http://tinyurl.com/37znxr
>
> Holdouts don't see the need for broadband
>
> 12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
> By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News
>
> Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
> when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
> upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.


Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
2001 has come with no modem, so I have been using broadband
of some kind for many years. A number of computer stores
have quite selling computer with modems (and some have even
quit selling modems), so for some people, there will be no choice
when they buy their next machine.



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Old 09-05-2007, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:29:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
<fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband


I must live on a different planet from the author. I've been pushing
broadband since about 1999 and have met some rather unusual
resistance. Here's a sample of why some users don't want to get DSL
or cable modems:

1. It's too fast. I'll never be able to keep up.
2. Isn't that where all the hackers hang out? I don't want to get a
computah full of viruses and things.
3. My machine isn't fast enough for broadband. I don't want to
upgrade. Windoze 3.1 on a 486 is good enough for me.
4. I'd need an extra phone line for DSL.
5. If I get a cable modem, does that mean I'll lose some TV channels?
6. My kids might get in trouble with all the predators and strange
people that are on the internet.
7. Where am I going to put all the racks of equipment?
8. I might need to change my email address.
9. I'm lucky that the phone works in the first place (long history of
telco unreliability). I don't want to change anything.
10. My husband might be tempted to take his work home with him if he
has broadband. I don't want to seem him spend all night in front of
the computah.
11. I'm too old to learn anything new.
12. If I get a bigger pipe, will I need a bigger monitor?
13. If I can't figure out what it's going to cost me, I don't want it.
14. Nothing is ever as wonderful as the advertisements claim. I don't
want to be disappointed.
15. Full time broadband is ecologically incorrect. I want to save
power and dialup uses less power because I can disconnect everything
when I'm not using it.
16. Isn't the government using broadband to spy on people?
17. Broadband is so addictive that I might spend hours and hours
online instead of doing something useful. Maybe next year.

There are probably some more excuses I've forgotten. These are not
fabrications but real (paraphrased) excuses I've heard over the years.
Granted, it's a small number of potential broadband customers, but it
does reflect some real concerns that seem to have escaped the author
of the article.

Incidentally, the situation was not much different in 1995, when
dialup was the new thing and internet access became fashionable:
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Old 09-05-2007, 02:38 AM
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Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:

> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ch/stories/DN-
> holdouts_04bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a81ac.html>
> http://tinyurl.com/37znxr
>
> Holdouts don't see the need for broadband
>
> 12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
> By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News
>
> Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
> when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
> upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.
>
> Analysts who monitor such holdouts closer than investors monitor Ben
> Bernanke say most dial-up users are kidding themselves. Broadband
> Internet has spread faster than did telephones, radio or television,
> and it will eventually become as common as any of them.


<snip>

This post ignores the very real disparity between low-cost dial-up prices
and xdsl/cable in some markets; useable dial-up services may be purchased
for about $5.00/mo and yet the lowest bandwidth broadband services in
some markets are still more than $25.00/mo in addition to carrier charges
(POTS or basic cable). For low income, elderly and occasional users,
dial-up is often the only affordable option.

Regards,

Michael

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Old 09-05-2007, 05:11 AM
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On Sep 4, 1:29 pm, "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> In these days of $10 dial-up and $15 DSL, the actual costs rarely
> prevent upgrades. In fact, people with a second phone line for dial-up
> Internet can actually save by switching.


Even when dial-up can be had for $5/month and DSL for less than $25,
dropping the usual second line brings the prices very close.

> "I just don't need it." "I don't mind waiting a couple seconds for a
> page to load up." "How fast does it need to be?"


I was using a clients dial-up that was too far out for DSL, and hence
too far out for a "56K" connection. The actual sped was 22 Kbps and
Yahoo and CNN took at least two minutes to load.

>"They show that broadband boosts employment slightly, but it's a minor
> effect compared to factors like education."


Double edged - With a horridly slow connection, you can't do research
for school, but then you can't plagiarize.as easy.


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Old 09-05-2007, 11:33 AM
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On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:04:38 -0700, "Charles Newman"
<chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:

>Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
>they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
>2001 has come with no modem, so I have been using broadband
>of some kind for many years. A number of computer stores
>have quite selling computer with modems (and some have even
>quit selling modems), so for some people, there will be no choice
>when they buy their next machine.


Installing a modem isn't much more difficult than screwing in a light
bulb. Also, when ordering a new computer there's almost always an
option for a modem.

This isn't going to be the deciding factor.

A_C

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Old 09-05-2007, 11:35 AM
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:32:44 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:29:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
><fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband

>
>I must live on a different planet from the author. I've been pushing
>broadband since about 1999 and have met some rather unusual
>resistance. Here's a sample of why some users don't want to get DSL
>or cable modems: <snip>


Can't argue with 8 & 17.

A_C


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Old 09-05-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?

In article <1188930580.365918.165960@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
> Internet to every American.


There are still a lot of Americans that the big corporations are not
even trying to sell fast internet to.

> "All we really have to do is get someone to give broadband a try,"
> said Bill Kula, a Verizon spokesman.


In some cases, all they have to do is make the service available. But
they won't. They're investing hundreds of millions upgrading the speeds
of their existing broadband customers, while ignoring those who would be
grateful for any speed at all.

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Old 09-05-2007, 03:21 PM
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"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgoodwin@yahoo.com> writes:

>Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?


><http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ch/stories/DN-
>holdouts_04bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a81ac.html>
>http://tinyurl.com/37znxr


>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband



This assumes they can GET it, of course...

A friend is lucky to get ISDN....
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:53 PM
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:33:00 -0400, in alt.internet.wireless , Agent_C
<Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:04:38 -0700, "Charles Newman"
><chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:
>
>>Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
>>they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
>>2001 has come with no modem,


Can't remember _ever_ having seen a laptop without a modem, not for at
least a decade!

>Installing a modem isn't much more difficult than screwing in a light
>bulb. Also, when ordering a new computer there's almost always an
>option for a modem.


At the moment. Remember when all PCs came with 5.25" floppy drives? or
ISA slots? Heck the 3.5" floppy drive is becoming optional now.

>This isn't going to be the deciding factor.


Yet....
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:09 PM
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"Mark McIntyre" <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:a4rtd35u4gakq6uprmfs8vk4k70fhoicbv@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:33:00 -0400, in alt.internet.wireless , Agent_C
> <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:04:38 -0700, "Charles Newman"
>><chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
>>>they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
>>>2001 has come with no modem,

>
> Can't remember _ever_ having seen a laptop without a modem, not for at
> least a decade!
>
>>Installing a modem isn't much more difficult than screwing in a light
>>bulb. Also, when ordering a new computer there's almost always an
>>option for a modem.

>
> At the moment. Remember when all PCs came with 5.25" floppy drives? or
> ISA slots? Heck the 3.5" floppy drive is becoming optional now.
>
>>This isn't going to be the deciding factor.


Some configurations cannot even use modems. A dial up
modem will not work in an any Athlon 64 chipset. If I try
and use a modem in my Athlon 64, the modem will not work.
Same thing happened when I upgraded to Athlon 64
machines a couple years ago. I had to buy new video
cards, becuase the old PCI cards would not work with
the machine. PCI modems will not work with Athlon
64 machines, at least mine anyway.

There are already chipsets out there that will not work with
dial-up modems.



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Old 09-05-2007, 10:42 PM
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> There are probably some more excuses I've forgotten. These are not
> fabrications but real (paraphrased) excuses I've heard over the years.
> Granted, it's a small number of potential broadband customers, but it
> does reflect some real concerns that seem to have escaped the author
> of the article.
>
> Incidentally, the situation was not much different in 1995, when
> dialup was the new thing and internet access became fashionable:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.humor.funny.reruns/msg/cf65ec30ee3d1e33>


Funny, you left off the most common answer (and one that I use too).. Why? I
pay about $9 a month for dialup, and cable is about $50 a month.... Why
spend about $40 a month, just to get junkmail/spam faster?

Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)



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Old 09-05-2007, 10:51 PM
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In article <13du8n8h4hspc82@corp.supernews.com>,
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
> one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)


Actually most places you might be staying would have broadband anyway
so all you would need would be a wireless card and you most likely would
be good to go. If you have something BIG you need the two weeks you are
home , there is always Starbucks or similar.

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Old 09-05-2007, 11:19 PM
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Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
>In article <13du8n8h4hspc82@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:


>> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
>> one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)


> Actually most places you might be staying would have broadband anyway

....

For a fee..


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Old 09-05-2007, 11:48 PM
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In article <46df2b73$0$79238$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanew s.com>,
Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:

> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
> >In article <13du8n8h4hspc82@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>
> >> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
> >> one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)

>
> > Actually most places you might be staying would have broadband anyway

> ...
>
> For a fee..


Depends on where you stay. Lots of hotels have it for free. About
the only time I pay for Internet any more is at the casinos. Most
condos I use if I am going to be gone for awhile include it in the
price.

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Old 09-06-2007, 12:13 AM
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:53:08 +0100, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:

>At the moment. Remember when all PCs came with 5.25" floppy drives? or
>ISA slots? Heck the 3.5" floppy drive is becoming optional now.
>
>>This isn't going to be the deciding factor.

>
>Yet....


Let's not forget about the external option as a last resort. These
modems actually work better too.

A_C


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Old 09-06-2007, 12:19 AM
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:09:16 -0700, "Charles Newman"
<chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:

>Some configurations cannot even use modems. A dial up
>modem will not work in an any Athlon 64 chipset. If I try
>and use a modem in my Athlon 64, the modem will not work.
>Same thing happened when I upgraded to Athlon 64
>machines a couple years ago. I had to buy new video
>cards, becuase the old PCI cards would not work with
>the machine. PCI modems will not work with Athlon
>64 machines, at least mine anyway.
>
>There are already chipsets out there that will not work with
>dial-up modems


That's a gigantic piece of misinformation.

I don't doubt you had issues getting a dial-up modem to work, but the
assertion that all Athlon 64 chipsets don't support dial-up modems is
totally and completely erroneous.

A_C


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Old 09-06-2007, 12:32 AM
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <13du8n8h4hspc82@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I
>> am at one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)

>
> Actually most places you might be staying would have broadband anyway
> so all you would need would be a wireless card and you most likely
> would be good to go. If you have something BIG you need the two weeks
> you are home , there is always Starbucks or similar.


All my laptops (and PDA's) have wireless...That's essentially why I use a
wiflyer (http://www.wiflyer.com , wireless travel router that connects to
both ethernet AND has a built in dialup modem, and since I mostly use
wireless, if I have something big, and the motel doesn't have high speed, I
just find free wifi when I go out to eat....

Just an aside, there are certain broadband providers that will *NOT* let you
access your email, unless you on their system directly.... Had to change
mail providers a few times to find one that worked no matter how I connect
(not a problem if you are in one place, always connecting the same way, but
as I said, I travel a lot, and having one/same email address for the last 12
years no matter where I am at, has been a lifesaver )



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Old 09-06-2007, 12:35 AM
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <46df2b73$0$79238$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanew s.com>,
> Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:
>
>> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> In article <13du8n8h4hspc82@corp.supernews.com>,
>>> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:

>>
>>>> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when
>>>> I am at one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)

>>
>>> Actually most places you might be staying would have broadband
>>> anyway ...

>>
>> For a fee..

>
> Depends on where you stay. Lots of hotels have it for free. About
> the only time I pay for Internet any more is at the casinos. Most
> condos I use if I am going to be gone for awhile include it in the
> price.


Also depends on where you travel too.... Unfortuntely, I have been in everal
places that have no cable/dsl etc (but a phone for dial-up), and no way are
they gonna have wireless!



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Old 09-06-2007, 12:41 AM
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Bill M. wrote:
>
> Over the past two years, all of the motels I've stayed at have
> advertised "High Speed Internet" or more typically "High Speed
> Wireless Internet", but so far in every case I've found that they mean
> there's a usable wireless signal down in the lobby only. In my room,
> there's never been enough signal to be able to pull down web pages or
> email without the connection stalling or timing out. For the places
> that had wired Internet but not wireless, it has typically meant a
> very old and well used PC in a dusty corner of the lobby. Naturally, I
> never saw anyone using it.
>
> Take my experiences with a grain of salt, though, because I usually
> shop for motels by price. (Days Inn, Motel 6, Super 8, etc.) Maybe the
> more expensive places would be different.



HUH!?!??!? Those ARE the high end places (to me! :) Unfortunately, expensive
also sometimes doesn't mean squat, I remember one place in Talkeetna
(alaska), that was $250 a night, but had absolutely no wireless nor wired!
That's when I started thinking location location location...... :)



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Old 09-06-2007, 12:54 AM
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"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>> There are probably some more excuses I've forgotten. These are not
>> fabrications but real (paraphrased) excuses I've heard over the years.
>> Granted, it's a small number of potential broadband customers, but it
>> does reflect some real concerns that seem to have escaped the author
>> of the article.
>>
>> Incidentally, the situation was not much different in 1995, when
>> dialup was the new thing and internet access became fashionable:
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/rec.humor.funny.reruns/msg/cf65ec30ee3d1e33>

>
> Funny, you left off the most common answer (and one that I use too).. Why?
> I pay about $9 a month for dialup, and cable is about $50 a month.... Why
> spend about $40 a month, just to get junkmail/spam faster?


Three words:

Microsoft Seurity Updates

many of them are far too large to download on a dialup line. Why
spend over an hour just to download one seurituy update, when
can use broadband and download it in seconds. I, of course, am
one of those who believes that saving time is more important than
saving money.

You should change your priorities and put saving time ahead of
saving money.

>
> Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
> one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)
>




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Old 09-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Kurt Ullman
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In article <4idud3dfl3l8jpl64n7f2nig4n0pi43fdd@4ax.com>,
Bill M. <wbillups@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Over the past two years, all of the motels I've stayed at have
> advertised "High Speed Internet" or more typically "High Speed
> Wireless Internet", but so far in every case I've found that they mean
> there's a usable wireless signal down in the lobby only. In my room,
> there's never been enough signal to be able to pull down web pages or
> email without the connection stalling or timing out. For the places
> that had wired Internet but not wireless, it has typically meant a
> very old and well used PC in a dusty corner of the lobby. Naturally, I
> never saw anyone using it.


Every Holiday Inn (regular, Express or Staybridge Suites)I've stayed
over the last two years has either had usable wireless in the room or
ethernet connection in the room. Same with (fewer) Marriotts

>
> Take my experiences with a grain of salt, though, because I usually
> shop for motels by price. (Days Inn, Motel 6, Super 8, etc.) Maybe the
> more expensive places would be different.

HI is about as cheap as I am willing to go (g).

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Old 09-06-2007, 12:59 AM
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In article <13duf40rmsimn9d@corp.supernews.com>,
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote:


>
> Just an aside, there are certain broadband providers that will *NOT* let you
> access your email, unless you on their system directly.... Had to change
> mail providers a few times to find one that worked no matter how I connect
> (not a problem if you are in one place, always connecting the same way, but
> as I said, I travel a lot, and having one/same email address for the last 12
> years no matter where I am at, has been a lifesaver )


That is one of the reasons I like Earthlink. No matter where I am I
can get to the Web-based e-mail and look without paying anything else to
ELN, anyway.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:02 AM
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In article <13dugebp05v6290@corp.supernews.com>,
"Charles Newman" <chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:


> Three words:
>
> Microsoft Seurity Updates



Three words:
Switch to Apple. (BEG)

>
>
> You should change your priorities and put saving time ahead of
> saving money.
>

That is a rather weird thing to say. They are his priorities and he
is welcome to them.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:37 AM
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"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> hath wroth:

>Funny, you left off the most common answer (and one that I use too).. Why? I
>pay about $9 a month for dialup, and cable is about $50 a month.... Why
>spend about $40 a month, just to get junkmail/spam faster?


Actually, I haven't heard it in quite that form. What I usually hear
is something like, "broadband costs about 3 times as much as dialup.
Will I get more than 3 times the fun/features/functionality on
broadband as dialup?" I guess there are those that don't mind staring
at the download indicator for 3 times as long.

A demonstration of fast browsing, online music, video, gaming,
downloading, updates, and such are usually insufficient. What always
gets their attention is Skype, GizmoProject, X-Lite or other VoIP
phone. These work over dialup, but just barely. You also can't
receive calls on dialup if you're not connected full time. A free or
very cheap phone call to some long lost relative in the old country
usually clinches the sale.

>Or how bout I travel a lot, and the broadband will only work when I am at
>one place, not the 50 weeks a year I travel....:)


That's not an issue for my business and commercial customers. It
might be for a few of my customers that travel, but most of these also
have spouses and families at home that will use the connection.

For those that do travel, I usually advise them that about 1600 to
2000 laptops per day are stolen and that they would be better off
leaving theirs at home. My guess(tm) is about 1 in 4 that have
ignored this advice, have had their laptops stolen while on a trip or
vacation. The issue is not the replacement cost of the laptop. It's
the vulnerability to various breach of disclosure laws if there is
personal, customer, or vendor information on the laptop. Removable
drives and/or encrypted filesystems have saved a few customers from
embarrassing and expensive complications:
<http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=605878>

I think my next product will be a laptop destruct device, which
ignites or explodes inside the laptop if someone attempts to use it
without the proper incantations. Your money back if your laptop or
data survives.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:48 AM
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"Charles Newman" <chuck@backtalkradio.net> hath wroth:

>Some configurations cannot even use modems. A dial up
>modem will not work in an any Athlon 64 chipset. If I try
>and use a modem in my Athlon 64, the modem will not work.


Baloney. Use Google to search for "Athelon 64 modem" and notice the
rather large number of such systems being sold with modems. It would
be a fair assumption that these modems are functional.

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Old 09-06-2007, 01:56 AM
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Per Charles Newman:
>You should change your priorities and put saving time ahead of
>saving money.


Bear in mind that it's a big world and not everybody has very
much money.

$30/month may be small change for some, but it's a lot of money
for others.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:04 AM
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
> In article <13dugebp05v6290@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Charles Newman" <chuck@backtalkradio.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Three words:
>>
>> Microsoft Seurity Updates

>
>
> Three words:
> Switch to Apple. (BEG)
>
>>
>>
>> You should change your priorities and put saving time ahead of
>> saving money.
>>

> That is a rather weird thing to say. They are his priorities and
> he is welcome to them.


Even better, TWO words (one less!) "FREE WIFI" :)



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Old 09-06-2007, 04:21 AM
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
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> Per Charles Newman:
>>You should change your priorities and put saving time ahead of
>>saving money.

>
> Bear in mind that it's a big world and not everybody has very
> much money.
>
> $30/month may be small change for some, but it's a lot of money
> for others.


But if it saves time, its worth the extra money. That is why when
I was growing up in Marin County, I was willing to spend an extra 50
cents each way to take an express bus, for longer trips in the
county, about 40 minutes vs 2 1/2 hours (and more buses
without using the express). From a young age, I considered
saving time to be more important, whether you can afford it
or not.

If you are going to use dialup, at least have a second phone
line and use two modems and two phones to double the
connection speed to about 100K.



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