On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:23:12 -0000, "ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote in <fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org>:
>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>Which is best?
Depends on what your needs are, and what you mean by best?
Best price? Best size? Best range? Best support?
Remember: fast ... cheap ... good. Pick at most two.
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
> Which is best?
>
> TIA
>
> Shiela S
>
Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
<47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>
>"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>> Which is best?
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
And , so your recommendation to Silver Surfer is ?????
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>
>>You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>
>>"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>> Which is best?
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
See my first response in this thread:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/msg/bfd879c34986a424>
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:35:17 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
<47a64193$0$25037$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>And , so your recommendation to Silver Surfer is ?????
>
>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:uhfcq3ln8ue2uk64jhtqk7od6p8hsfc1h7@4ax.com.. .
>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>
>>>You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>>
>>>"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
>>>>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>>> Which is best?
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
John Navas wrote:
> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>
Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
die young...
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>
>> You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>
>> "ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>> Which is best?
>
I keep seeing on a variety of newsgroups all this talk about what an ass
John Navas is. Now I get it
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> See my first response in this thread:
> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/msg/bfd879c34986a424>
>
> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:35:17 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
> <47a64193$0$25037$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>
>>And , so your recommendation to Silver Surfer is ?????
>>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>news:uhfcq3ln8ue2uk64jhtqk7od6p8hsfc1h7@4ax.com. ..
>>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>>> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>>
>>>>You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>>>
>>>>"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org. ..
>>>>>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>>>> Which is best?
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
But Les, forget about Navas, what do you recommend for Silver Surfer, who
probably just wants decent wireless internet access
"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47a64599$0$6152$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> John Navas wrote:
>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>
>
> Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
>
> A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
> client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
> Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
> die young...
>
>
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>
>>> You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>>
>>> "ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>>> Which is best?
>>
>
> --
> Les Cargill
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:04:29 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
<47a6486b$0$25066$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>I keep seeing on a variety of newsgroups all this talk about what an ass
>John Navas is. Now I get it
>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:dvgcq31lg371ip7j1m9pepa3iqkdovd88h@4ax.com.. .
>> See my first response in this thread:
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/msg/bfd879c34986a424>
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:35:17 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>> <47a64193$0$25037$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>
>>>And , so your recommendation to Silver Surfer is ?????
>>>
>>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>>news:uhfcq3ln8ue2uk64jhtqk7od6p8hsfc1h7@4ax.com ...
>>>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>>>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>>>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>>>> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>>>
>>>>>You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>>>>
>>>>>"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
>>>>>>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>>>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>>>>> Which is best?
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:52:12 -0500, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
wrote in <47a64599$0$6152$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>
>Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
>
>A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
>client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
>Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
>die young...
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
We really don't know what the OP needs/wants -- you're just guessing,
and trying to cover your donkey. ;)
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:12:26 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
<47a64a48$0$25046$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>But Les, forget about Navas, what do you recommend for Silver Surfer, who
>probably just wants decent wireless internet access
>
>"Les Cargill" <lcargill@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:47a64599$0$6152$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>>
>>
>> Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
>>
>> A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
>> client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
>> Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
>> die young...
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 17:09:31 -0500, "RBM" <rbm@noemail.com> wrote in
>>> <47a63b8a$0$25044$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
>>>
>>>> You can probably get a better one for PCI, but USB is easier
>>>>
>>>> "ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>>>> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>>>> Which is best?
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:52:12 -0500, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote in <47a64599$0$6152$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>> Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
>>
>> A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
>> client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
>> Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
>> die young...
>
> WRT-54G @ $45
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124010
>
> USB dongle @ $20
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833156152
>
> What am I missing?
>
I hadn't seen that one. Best price I'd seen in box stores
was on the order of $35. It was a Dynex that lasted about 30 days.
I don't even remember seeing "TRENDnet" products when I was
looking at this last November-December. Wasn't looking at Newegg,
though. The nest price point for thumb adapters is about
$69 - less than the WRT-54G.
*If that one's robust*, it's obviously cheaper. Having carted
two thumb adapters back to stores... I'm skeptical :)
On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:12:34 -0500, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
wrote in <47a65870$0$6136$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> WRT-54G @ $45
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124010
>>
>> USB dongle @ $20
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833156152
>>
>> What am I missing?
>
>I hadn't seen that one. Best price I'd seen in box stores
>was on the order of $35. It was a Dynex that lasted about 30 days.
>
>I don't even remember seeing "TRENDnet" products when I was
>looking at this last November-December. Wasn't looking at Newegg,
>though. The nest price point for thumb adapters is about
>$69 - less than the WRT-54G.
>
>*If that one's robust*, it's obviously cheaper. Having carted
>two thumb adapters back to stores... I'm skeptical :)
It works well in my experience (taking the small antenna into
consideration).
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
Hey, I don't have a donkey. and I'm happy to see those guys are wrong, you
do have a soul
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:52:12 -0500, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote in <47a64599$0$6152$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> Ethernet (wireless Ethernet client bridge) is arguably the "best" of
>>> all, if "best" is taken to mean quality, stability and performance, but
>>> not if "best" is taken to mean cheapest.
>>
>>Dunno about that - depends on what you consider "client bridging".
>>
>>A WRT-54G v8 running DD-WRT in their interpretation of
>>client bridge mode is actually cheaper than most USB adapters.
>>Seems to run very well - the USB adapters that are cheaper also seem to
>>die young...
>
> WRT-54G @ $45
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833124010
>
> USB dongle @ $20
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833156152
>
> What am I missing?
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
"ShielaS" <freddiefrog@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fo57rd$gnl$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
> Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
> Which is best?
They all have their issues. Some are worse than others but most work well
enough.
But you really don't post enough detail for anyone to be able to answer you
effectively. You don't say what kind of desktop (mac, win98, xp, vista,
linux?). You don't mention if it can even USE a PCI card or a USB adapter
(some older PCs might not have a USB port, or one that's stuck at 1.1
speeds).
John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:12:34 -0500, Les Cargill <lcargill@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote in <47a65870$0$6136$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>:
<snip>
>> *If that one's robust*, it's obviously cheaper. Having carted
>> two thumb adapters back to stores... I'm skeptical :)
>
> It works well in my experience (taking the small antenna into
> consideration).
>
>I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>Which is best?
Sheila,
WiFi travels in mysterious ways and you don't always get a good signal where
you need it, and sometimes couple of inches makes all the difference.
The problem with PCI cards is that it is likely to be positioned under a
desk or at least low down and the computer case itself shields the aerial.
And you can't very well put it where it would work best.
In my experience and USB adaptor with stand and length of cable (can be up
to 5m) is the best solution.
You can easily position it where you get the best signal, often higher is
better, and if need be you can put a simple V folded card covered with
aluminium foil on a side behind the USB dongle.
D-Link G122 works so well for me, I bought 2 more now.
Regards,
Martin
On Feb 3, 9:27 pm, "Martin²" <ne...@give.one> wrote:
.....you don't always get a good signal where
> you need it, and sometimes couple of inches makes all the difference.
> The problem with PCI cards is that it is likely to be positioned under a
> desk or at least low down and the computer case itself shields the aerial.
> And you can't very well put it where it would work best.
> In my experience and USB adaptor with stand and length of cable (can be up
> to 5m) is the best solution.
> You can easily position it where you get the best signal, often higher is
> better, and if need be you can put a simple V folded card covered with
> aluminium foil on a side behind the USB dongle.
> D-Link G122 works so well for me, I bought 2 more now.
> Regards,
> Martin
Agreed. The USB solution will generally be the cheapest/easiest.
The PCI card, no matter how powerful, is stuck behind the pc unless
you get an extension antenna. By then, it's not cheap. And it's
limited to desktops only,
The wireless ethernet bridge solution is perhaps a bit more to setup,
but is the most powerful and flexible solution. Because it connects
to your pc by ethernet cable, you can put a 5,10 or 300 foot cable on
it and set the radio/antenna where ever it works right. You can also
use it later in a different installation for a laptop (as also with
the USB) or for other purposes as an AP.
Newegg has some cheap ethernet bridge/APs that get good ratings from
users (I have not used these ones) and do not require getting
involverd with the replacement firmware that the suggested Linksys
requires:
"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
news:13qd1h81bpg1350@corp.supernews.com...
> >I have a desktop pc with no wireless capability.
>>Should I go for a USB adaptor - or a PCI(?) card?
>>Which is best?
>
> and sometimes couple of inches makes all the difference.
Isn't that always the way? ;-)
> The problem with PCI cards is that it is likely to be positioned under a
> desk or at least low down and the computer case itself shields the aerial.
> And you can't very well put it where it would work best.
> In my experience and USB adaptor with stand and length of cable (can be up
> to 5m) is the best solution.
> You can easily position it where you get the best signal, often higher is
> better, and if need be you can put a simple V folded card covered with
> aluminium foil on a side behind the USB dongle.
> D-Link G122 works so well for me, I bought 2 more now.
> Regards,
> Martin
>
Thank you Martin, you answered my question perfectly and simply - I think
i'll go with USB adaptor.
And thanks for not trying to blind me with science, and not using my post to
score points! ;-)
Shiela S
help a silver surfer! 
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