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In <ebt8f.18257$NJ.3868@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:28:33
-0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to have
>an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>
>Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that can
>be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
What's the purpose of the server? Depending on your needs:
* D-Link Airspot DSA-3100 Public/Private Hot Spot Gateway
<http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=173>
* Instant HotSpot
<http://www.instanthotspot.com/>
* ZyAIR B-4000 Turn-key Hotspot Gateway
<http://us.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1028015363>
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> In <ebt8f.18257$NJ.3868@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005
> 13:28:33
> -0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>
>>I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to have
>>an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>>
>>Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that
>>can
>>be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
>
> What's the purpose of the server?
I don't want the hassle of a PC just to give a few patrons internet access.
I saw that Axis used to have a hotspot with Linux embedded as a server. You
could simply plug it into your DSL modem and run it. They no longer offer
any hotspot devices.
I'd like something with at least a minimal firewall and possibly even some
parental blocking (to at least make an effort to block porn, etc.).
I may have to use a small pc with a simple wireless router and the
appropriate software after all.....but I hope not.
Just in case.......what's the smallest PC you've seen that can run XP?
>Depending on your needs:
> * D-Link Airspot DSA-3100 Public/Private Hot Spot Gateway
> <http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=173>
> * Instant HotSpot
> <http://www.instanthotspot.com/>
> * ZyAIR B-4000 Turn-key Hotspot Gateway
> <http://us.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1028015363>
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In <puw8f.20416$x6.7783@bignews6.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:13:47
-0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> In <ebt8f.18257$NJ.3868@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005
>> 13:28:33
>> -0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to have
>>>an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>>>
>>>Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that can
>>>be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
>>
>> What's the purpose of the server?
>
>I don't want the hassle of a PC just to give a few patrons internet access.
>I saw that Axis used to have a hotspot with Linux embedded as a server. You
>could simply plug it into your DSL modem and run it. They no longer offer
>any hotspot devices.
>
>I'd like something with at least a minimal firewall and possibly even some
>parental blocking (to at least make an effort to block porn, etc.).
Two important considerations when running a hotspot:
1. Prevent patrons from accessing your LAN (wired as well as wireless).
2. Quality of Service to keep patrons from degrading your service.
>I may have to use a small pc with a simple wireless router and the
>appropriate software after all.....but I hope not.
>
>Just in case.......what's the smallest PC you've seen that can run XP?
Small Form Factor (SFF) PC; e.g., Shuttle XPC
<http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1645837,00.asp>
>>Depending on your needs:
>> * D-Link Airspot DSA-3100 Public/Private Hot Spot Gateway
>> <http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=173>
>> * Instant HotSpot
>> <http://www.instanthotspot.com/>
>> * ZyAIR B-4000 Turn-key Hotspot Gateway
>> <http://us.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1028015363>
>
>Thanks for the links!
Another good product I inadvertently omitted is:
* SonicWALL TZ 150 Wireless
<http://www.sonicwall.com/products/tz150_wireless.html>
See also the Intel Wireless Hotspot Deployment Guide
<ftp://download.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/wireless/deployment/hotspot.pdf>
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"Jim Hubbard" wrote in message ...
> I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to have
> an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>
> Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that
can
> be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
Since it will be free, I'm assuming you want to be as cheap as possible?
(I also have a cheap-as-possible "free hotspot".)
How many simultaneous users do you expect?
Any specific reason why it must be embedded?
ZoneCD is a (free and open source) captive portal. It'll run on just about
anything, as long as it has two NIC's and a CDROM drive. No OS is needed.
It is GNU/Linux based, but the OS is on the CDROM. Simply set the BIOS to
boot from CDROM, throw ZoneCD in, and it is running. Throw together a
computer from old parts, build it as small as possible (get creative with
alternative case ideas), and its basically an "embedded" black box anyway.
ZoneCD also uses Dansguard, which can give you the filtering you want.
I just got a Linksys WRT54GS router, which may work itself into my "free
hotspot". I got it more as a new toy to just play around with than anything
else. I'm playing with RADIUS now. They are dirt cheap and highly
customizable. (They run off a GNU/Linux variant, so there are lots of
homebrew stuff out there for it. There is even an embedded captive portal
for it.) Aim for a Version 2, as they seem to work the best with all the
homebrew stuff. Stay away from the V5, as it isn't going to be GNU/Linux
based, and won't be "hackable".
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> In <puw8f.20416$x6.7783@bignews6.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005
> 17:13:47
> -0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> In <ebt8f.18257$NJ.3868@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005
>>> 13:28:33
>>> -0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to
>>>>have
>>>>an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that
>>>>can
>>>>be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
>>>
>>> What's the purpose of the server?
>>
>>I don't want the hassle of a PC just to give a few patrons internet
>>access.
>>I saw that Axis used to have a hotspot with Linux embedded as a server.
>>You
>>could simply plug it into your DSL modem and run it. They no longer offer
>>any hotspot devices.
>>
>>I'd like something with at least a minimal firewall and possibly even some
>>parental blocking (to at least make an effort to block porn, etc.).
>
> Two important considerations when running a hotspot:
> 1. Prevent patrons from accessing your LAN (wired as well as wireless).
If its and embedded server, and there's no PC....no problem.
> 2. Quality of Service to keep patrons from degrading your service.
An embedded server seems more streamlined also. Less Windows junk running
in the backgound = more juice for the users.
>
>>I may have to use a small pc with a simple wireless router and the
>>appropriate software after all.....but I hope not.
>>
>>Just in case.......what's the smallest PC you've seen that can run XP?
>
> Small Form Factor (SFF) PC; e.g., Shuttle XPC
> <http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1645837,00.asp>
>
>>>Depending on your needs:
>>> * D-Link Airspot DSA-3100 Public/Private Hot Spot Gateway
>>> <http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=173>
>>> * Instant HotSpot
>>> <http://www.instanthotspot.com/>
>>> * ZyAIR B-4000 Turn-key Hotspot Gateway
>>> <http://us.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1028015363>
>>
>>Thanks for the links!
>
> Another good product I inadvertently omitted is:
> * SonicWALL TZ 150 Wireless
> <http://www.sonicwall.com/products/tz150_wireless.html>
>
>
> See also the Intel Wireless Hotspot Deployment Guide
> <ftp://download.intel.com/business/bss/infrastructure/wireless/deployment/hotspot.pdf>
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
"Eric" <none@none.not> wrote in message
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> "Jim Hubbard" wrote in message ...
>> I'd like to set up a free wi-fi hotspot, and I'd like the hardware to
>> have
>> an embedded server (i.e. not need to be hooked to a PC to work).
>>
>> Does anyone know of any wi-fi hardware that has an embedded server that
> can
>> be set up to deliver a free wi-fi hotspot?
>
> Since it will be free, I'm assuming you want to be as cheap as possible?
> (I also have a cheap-as-possible "free hotspot".)
>
> How many simultaneous users do you expect?
I would think no more than 100 (200 and I open another store).
> Any specific reason why it must be embedded?
Just thought it would be less of a hassle. PCs (esp Windows PCs) are
notorious for having "issues". I just want to set it up and fahgetaboutit.
>
> ZoneCD is a (free and open source) captive portal. It'll run on just
> about
> anything, as long as it has two NIC's and a CDROM drive. No OS is needed.
> It is GNU/Linux based, but the OS is on the CDROM. Simply set the BIOS to
> boot from CDROM, throw ZoneCD in, and it is running. Throw together a
> computer from old parts, build it as small as possible (get creative with
> alternative case ideas), and its basically an "embedded" black box anyway.
> ZoneCD also uses Dansguard, which can give you the filtering you want.
So.....no need even for a HDD? This sounds great! Not many ways to screw
that up.....
>
> I just got a Linksys WRT54GS router, which may work itself into my "free
> hotspot". I got it more as a new toy to just play around with than
> anything
> else. I'm playing with RADIUS now. They are dirt cheap and highly
> customizable. (They run off a GNU/Linux variant, so there are lots of
> homebrew stuff out there for it. There is even an embedded captive portal
> for it.) Aim for a Version 2, as they seem to work the best with all the
> homebrew stuff. Stay away from the V5, as it isn't going to be GNU/Linux
> based, and won't be "hackable".
Isn't RADIUS for user authentication?
I don't really care who uses my free hotspots, I'd like them stable, cheap
and able to show a customizable welcome page when they log in. (While I'm
at it....I'll take one order of world peace, a couple of helpings of
wealth-o-plenty and DRINKS FOR EVERYBODY!)
"Jim Hubbard" wrote in message ...
>> [ZoneCD for captive portal and filtering]
> So.....no need even for a HDD? This sounds great! Not many ways to screw
> that up.....
Nope. In fact, it doesn't even use a HDD! It uses either a floppy or USB
drive to store settings and configurations.
For a while, I was even just using a plug-in CF reader, with a CF card.
Absolutetly beautiful. :^)
> Isn't RADIUS for user authentication?
Yeah, I didn't mean to get side-threaded on the WRT54GS. It is a "new toy"
that I'm having fun with. I was just pointing out that it could do embedded
captive portaling.. It wouldn't be able to do the type of filtering you are
wanting though.
> I don't really care who uses my free hotspots, I'd like them stable, cheap
> and able to show a customizable welcome page when they log in. (While I'm
> at it....I'll take one order of world peace, a couple of helpings of
> wealth-o-plenty and DRINKS FOR EVERYBODY!)
>
> Thanks!
I hear ya. I follow the free wifi community philosophy as well. (See my
previous post, six threads down, "Secure WLAN, Unsecure (filtered)
internet")
I keep a completely open (AP is outside) "hotspot" for anyone and everyone
that wants to use. Getting ready to expand it even by shooting to another
AP (repeater) with cantennas. ZoneCD is the captive portal. Got a
"welcome screen" that basically just says that only common sense use will be
tolerated. (Getting ready to add "Use of this network consents to
monitoring".) Likewise, I filter porn. I'm not about to allow porn to be
downloaded through my internet pipe. Not that I'm anti-porn, but if someone
wants to download porn then they can do it from their own internet source.
Anyway, neighbors use it quite frequently, there have been quite a few
internet/LAN game parties on it, ect. Local kids, and myself, will be using
it for their Nintendo DS's soon, ect...
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:09:37 GMT, "Eric" <none@none.not> wrote:
>Or if it is going to be inside and hidden anyway, go completetly ghetto with
>a cardboard box.
>(Don't think I've never done that.) :^)
This has nothing to do with the original question, but I thought it
might be entertaining to see what others have done with their
computahs: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
See list of "projects" on right. Once the form factor gets down to
something small, the creative potential increases drastically. I just
wish I had more time to play.
--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message...
> This has nothing to do with the original question, but I thought it
> might be entertaining to see what others have done with their
> computahs:
> http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
> See list of "projects" on right. Once the form factor gets down to
> something small, the creative potential increases drastically. I just
> wish I had more time to play.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Now thats some interesting ideas!
Likewise, don't have the time either, but does get hamster running in the
wheel.
If I had the time, I'd take a crack at putting together a PC (from old
parts) inside a fish aquarium -- with water in the tank, real fish swimming
around, the whole works. :^)
I've seen those "aquarium" side panels for cases (some with filters and air
pumps that allow for real fish), but it would interesting to build something
actually in a real aquarium. Obviously, nothing would actually be in water,
but I have a few ideas floating on how to give the illusion that it would
be -- with even bubbles coming from various pieces of the hardware such as
the HDD as it is being accessed. I'd have to take my time and do it right
though. Wouldn't want it to be cheesy, but more like a piece of art. The
whole "electricity in water" aspect would be like art. Use a lot of lighted
stuff (fans and cables).
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> "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message...
>> This has nothing to do with the original question, but I thought it
>> might be entertaining to see what others have done with their
>> computahs:
>> http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
>> See list of "projects" on right. Once the form factor gets down to
>> something small, the creative potential increases drastically. I just
>> wish I had more time to play.
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
>> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
> Now thats some interesting ideas!
>
> Likewise, don't have the time either, but does get hamster running in the
> wheel.
>
> If I had the time, I'd take a crack at putting together a PC (from old
> parts) inside a fish aquarium -- with water in the tank, real fish
> swimming
> around, the whole works. :^)
>
> I've seen those "aquarium" side panels for cases (some with filters and
> air
> pumps that allow for real fish), but it would interesting to build
> something
> actually in a real aquarium. Obviously, nothing would actually be in
> water,
> but I have a few ideas floating on how to give the illusion that it would
> be -- with even bubbles coming from various pieces of the hardware such as
> the HDD as it is being accessed. I'd have to take my time and do it right
> though. Wouldn't want it to be cheesy, but more like a piece of art. The
> whole "electricity in water" aspect would be like art. Use a lot of
> lighted
> stuff (fans and cables).
>
Actually, I wrote some software for a pay phone board manufacturer that
"dipped" his payphone circuit boards in a water-proofing material to keep
the years of moisture (condensation every morning and leaky payphone boxes)
from corroding the boards.
I wonder if it'd be enough to actually work completely submerged?
Any ideas on how to test it without harming any of our finned friends?
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In <ePz8f.20162$NJ.4044@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:00:47
-0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> Two important considerations when running a hotspot:
>> 1. Prevent patrons from accessing your LAN (wired as well as wireless).
>
>If its and embedded server, and there's no PC....no problem.
It is a problem if (a) you have a LAN and (b) the hotspot bridges between
wireless and your LAN.
>> 2. Quality of Service to keep patrons from degrading your service.
>
>An embedded server seems more streamlined also. Less Windows junk running
>in the backgound = more juice for the users.
It is a problem if your LAN and the patrons are sharing the same Internet
connection.
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> In <ePz8f.20162$NJ.4044@bignews7.bellsouth.net> on Fri, 28 Oct 2005
> 21:00:47
> -0400, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net> wrote:
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> Two important considerations when running a hotspot:
>>> 1. Prevent patrons from accessing your LAN (wired as well as wireless).
>>
>>If its and embedded server, and there's no PC....no problem.
>
> It is a problem if (a) you have a LAN and (b) the hotspot bridges between
> wireless and your LAN.
>
>>> 2. Quality of Service to keep patrons from degrading your service.
>>
>>An embedded server seems more streamlined also. Less Windows junk running
>>in the backgound = more juice for the users.
>
> It is a problem if your LAN and the patrons are sharing the same Internet
> connection.
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:24:12 -0500, "Jim Hubbard" <jim@home.net>
wrote:
>Actually, I wrote some software for a pay phone board manufacturer that
>"dipped" his payphone circuit boards in a water-proofing material to keep
>the years of moisture (condensation every morning and leaky payphone boxes)
>from corroding the boards.
I worked for a marine radio manufactory for many years. You haven't
seen corrosion until you've dealt with a marine environment. Radios
that were returned for repair were often a solid mass of corrosion
with the added enjoyment of exotic fungus and mold accumulation plus
the usual dead bugs. Humiseal worked well but couldn't be used on
moving components (pots, tuning adjustments, adjustable caps, etc) and
on connectors. Lots of tricks to keep things working.
>I wonder if it'd be enough to actually work completely submerged?
>
>Any ideas on how to test it without harming any of our finned friends?
Forget about using water. The "hot" ticket is vegetable oil, peanut
oil, canola oil, or transformer oil. http://www.markusleonhardt.de/en/oelrechner.html
The overclockers have had submerged PC's for years to improve the heat
dissipation. To save you from inevitable disaster, be sure to not
immerse the floppy, cdrom, or zip drive as they don't work well in
oil. Amazingly, the hard disk drive works fine under oil.
I worked on devices that were immersed in Fluorinert, but you don't
want to know the price.
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In <0jlcm1ls1p2phh9j3c3aaoam1e7tcnk2s1@4ax.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:03:24
-0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>Forget about using water. The "hot" ticket is vegetable oil, peanut
>oil, canola oil, or transformer oil.
> http://www.markusleonhardt.de/en/oelrechner.html
>The overclockers have had submerged PC's for years to improve the heat
>dissipation. To save you from inevitable disaster, be sure to not
>immerse the floppy, cdrom, or zip drive as they don't work well in
>oil. Amazingly, the hard disk drive works fine under oil.
For how long? Hard disks typically have breather vents. ;)
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:33:43 GMT, John Navas
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>In <0jlcm1ls1p2phh9j3c3aaoam1e7tcnk2s1@4ax.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:03:24
>-0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>
>>Forget about using water. The "hot" ticket is vegetable oil, peanut
>>oil, canola oil, or transformer oil.
>> http://www.markusleonhardt.de/en/oelrechner.html
>>The overclockers have had submerged PC's for years to improve the heat
>>dissipation. To save you from inevitable disaster, be sure to not
>>immerse the floppy, cdrom, or zip drive as they don't work well in
>>oil. Amazingly, the hard disk drive works fine under oil.
>For how long? Hard disks typically have breather vents. ;)
I ran one in peanut oil for about 2 months. I think it was a Quantum
2GB drive. The hard disk has a filtered vent that keeps out molecules
bigger than about 0.05 micron. That's smaller than the diameter of
the rather large peanut oil molecules but is small enough to pass
nitrogen and oxygen molecules (but not water). Of course I could not
submerge the drive to any depth that would creat substantial positive
pressure as that might push in and rip the filter.
What stopped the test was not a drive failure but that the oil turned
rancid and began to stink. I guess something was growing in the oil.
I hosed off the drive and used it for a test drive for about 3
additional months when it finally died. The rancid peanut oil was
filtered, dilluted slightly with some kerosene, and dumped into my
diesel gas tank.
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