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Old 02-03-2007, 10:19 PM
Kathy
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Default How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
"wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?

I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.

Thanks for any help.


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Old 02-03-2007, 10:53 PM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote:

> While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
> "wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
> weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
> device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
> up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?
>
> I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
> get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
> port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.


A wireless range extender like the D-Link DWL-G710 or the Linksys WRE54G
could. It still depends on how weak the signal is. An extender (or a
repeater, like the DWL-G700AP in repeater mode) can be positioned in
places where a laptop can't. Say in a window or high up inside your
camper.

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Old 02-05-2007, 02:32 AM
Kathy
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On 2007-02-03 16:53:56 -0600, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel Hammerschmidt) said:

> Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
>> "wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
>> weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
>> device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
>> up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?
>>
>> I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
>> get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
>> port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.

>
> A wireless range extender like the D-Link DWL-G710 or the Linksys WRE54G
> could. It still depends on how weak the signal is. An extender (or a
> repeater, like the DWL-G700AP in repeater mode) can be positioned in
> places where a laptop can't. Say in a window or high up inside your
> camper.


Thank you for your reply, Axel. This gave me a few more questions:
1. Which of the ones you suggest will work with the weakest signal?
2. When I looked 2 of them up online, they talked about using a wizard
to install. Since I use a mac, a wizard doesn't do me any good, so my
second question is which can I set up through a browser. I currently
control our home router through the browser.
Thanks again.


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Old 02-05-2007, 05:51 AM
John Navas
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:19:36 -0600, Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote in
<2007020316193616807-me@nowherecom>:

>While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
>"wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
>weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
>device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
>up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?
>
>I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
>get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
>port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.


True, but you could use ICS on that computer to share the connection
with other computers, either wired with an Ethernet switch or hub, or
wirelessly with a wireless access point.

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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Thank you for your reply, Axel. This gave me a few more questions:
> 1. Which of the ones you suggest will work with the weakest signal?


They all work the same. Because you will want something that works
everywhere, buying some "draft-n" device is not a good idea.

> 2. When I looked 2 of them up online, they talked about using a wizard
> to install. Since I use a mac, a wizard doesn't do me any good, so my
> second question is which can I set up through a browser. I currently
> control our home router through the browser.


The "wizard" runs in the web-server on the device, so you can use
anything that supports a browser. A Mac will be fine.

BTW what sort of Mac do you have? I ask, because the alu- and Ti
Powerbooks (and probably the Macbook Pros) have very bad wireless
reception with their metal casing. If you have a PB, you may consider
disabling the Airport card and using a PC Card instead.

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Old 02-05-2007, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:51:09 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
<ubhds2trohqbit56tbqmdrhn8imlro571b@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:19:36 -0600, Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote in
><2007020316193616807-me@nowherecom>:
>
>>While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
>>"wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
>>weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
>>device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
>>up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?
>>
>>I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
>>get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
>>port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.

>
>True, but you could use ICS on that computer to share the connection
>with other computers, either wired with an Ethernet switch or hub, or
>wirelessly with a wireless access point.


I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.
You could instead use (1) wireless Ethernet [client] bridge, cabled by
Ethernet to (2a) each computer through a switch/hub or (2b) wireless
access point.

Ideally (1) would be mounted on the roof, either temporarily (e.g., with
a magnetic mount) or permanently (in a weather proof housing). Power
(12 VDC) can be provided with a separate power cable or power over
Ethernet.

(2a) is the simplest and easiest way to connect clients if you can live
with the wires.

(2b) would be mounted inside, making wireless possible for your
computers. The tricky part is configuring your computers so you can
connect to both the wireless Ethernet client bridge [for management] and
the Internet [usually by DHCP].

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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
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Old 02-05-2007, 05:53 PM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

<snip>

> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.


Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.

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Old 02-05-2007, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.

>
>Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
>Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.


[sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art. Of course
Macs can share an Internet connection, but the point of my follow-up was
to provide another option that doesn't depend on a particular computer
to be working.

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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:39 PM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>
> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.

> >
> >Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
> >Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.

>
> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.


Bull!

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Old 02-05-2007, 07:18 PM
John Navas
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:39:28 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2ufr.asl7791kvpkiqN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
>> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>>
>> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.
>> >
>> >Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
>> >Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.

>>
>> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.

>
>Bull!


<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICS>

"Internet Connection Sharing, a feature in Microsoft operating
systems since the advent of Windows 98"

Your turn.

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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:16 PM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

Axel Hammerschmidt wrote:
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
>> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>>
>>> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.
>>> Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
>>> Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.

>> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.

>
> Bull!

Are you sure you want to pursue that answer ?

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Old 02-05-2007, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

me@nowhere.com (Kathy) wrote in
news:2007020316193616807-me@nowherecom:

> While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
> "wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
> weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
> device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would
> pick up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our
> computers?


Directional antennas are cheap.

Hooking one antenna to multiple PCs might be a trick; hooking it to
even one which doesn't have an antenna connector would be a trick
too.

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Old 02-06-2007, 01:23 AM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:39:28 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2ufr.asl7791kvpkiqN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>
> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> >> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
> >>
> >> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> ><snip>
> >> >
> >> >> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.
> >> >
> >> >Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
> >> >Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.
> >>
> >> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.

> >
> >Bull!

>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICS>
>
> "Internet Connection Sharing, a feature in Microsoft operating
> systems since the advent of Windows 98"
>
> Your turn.


Share your Internet connection's the same feature.

Your turn.

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Old 02-06-2007, 03:19 AM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 02:23:47 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht3crc.jhhq7q1jt6vbcN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:39:28 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
>> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2ufr.asl7791kvpkiqN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>>
>> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
>> >> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> ><snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an option.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
>> >> >Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.
>> >>
>> >> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.
>> >
>> >Bull!

>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICS>
>>
>> "Internet Connection Sharing, a feature in Microsoft operating
>> systems since the advent of Windows 98"
>>
>> Your turn.

>
>Share your Internet connection's the same feature.
>
>Your turn.


Didn't think so. Sorry, but thanks anyway for playing. ;)

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Old 02-06-2007, 05:26 AM
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:19:36 -0600, Kathy <me@nowhere.com> wrote:

>While camping in a small motorhome, we try to find campgrounds with
>"wifi" for our computers. Many sites that advertise it have such a
>weak signal that we can't pick it up from our site. Is there some
>device that we could put on our roof or near a window that would pick
>up the signal and relay it to the cards build into our computers?
>
>I looked at the device suggested for the man who wanted to be able to
>get his daughter's wireless, but that needs to be plugged into the USB
>port so it would work for only 1 computer at a time.
>
>Thanks for any help.


I've had good results with this combination:

http://pnt.zoovy.com/product/GP-24-3

http://pnt.zoovy.com/product/SUB-362EXT

You will also need some LMR400 cable with an RPC-SMA male connector on
one end, and a N-male connector on the other:

http://pnt.zoovy.com/product/LMR400CUSTOM

I'm not sure if the USB SUB-362(EXT) will work with a Mac however.
If not, you will need a bridge with an ethernet interface such as this
one:

http://pnt.zoovy.com/product/G-470








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Old 02-07-2007, 10:19 PM
Axel Hammerschmidt
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Default Re: How can we pick up a weak wireless signal in a campground?

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 02:23:47 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht3crc.jhhq7q1jt6vbcN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>
> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:39:28 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> >> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2ufr.asl7791kvpkiqN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
> >>
> >> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:53:49 +0100, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
> >> >> Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1ht2s9j.veys55gtcy0qN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> >John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><snip>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I see in your later response that you use a Mac, so ICS isn't an
> >> >> >> option.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes it is. The OP will find it in the Network Preferences. Look for
> >> >> >Share your Internet connection with AirPort-equipped computers.
> >> >>
> >> >> [sigh] That's not "ICS", which is a Microsoft term of art.
> >> >
> >> >Bull!
> >>
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICS>
> >>
> >> "Internet Connection Sharing, a feature in Microsoft operating
> >> systems since the advent of Windows 98"
> >>
> >> Your turn.

> >
> >Share your Internet connection's the same feature.
> >
> >Your turn.

>
> Didn't think so. Sorry, but thanks anyway for playing. ;)


You don't know what an option is? Too bad.

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