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Old 07-07-2007, 07:32 PM
gperry@peoplescom.net
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We have a netgear CG814WG modem/router and it seems to be set to only
allow about 4 users at a time to surf. I have looked into the router's
settings but can't find any setting that limits the number of users or
connections. Does anyone know how to check this and alter the
settings to allow for more simultaneous users

Thanks

GP

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Old 07-07-2007, 08:29 PM
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gperry@peoplescom.net hath wroth:

>We have a netgear CG814WG modem/router and it seems to be set to only
>allow about 4 users at a time to surf. I have looked into the router's
>settings but can't find any setting that limits the number of users or
>connections. Does anyone know how to check this and alter the
>settings to allow for more simultaneous users


Wired or wireless? If you run into the same limit with wired
ethernet, you may have a problem with the way your ISP assigns DHCP
addresses. It's also a common side effect when you accidentally run a
cable from the modem to one of the 4 LAN ports instead of the WAN
port.

You can also induce this problem if the CG814WG supports 1:1 NAT,
where it assigns routeable IP addresses to the users, instead of
non-routeable (192.168.xxx.xxx). Run:
start -> run -> cmd <enter>
ipconfig
and see if your clients are getting routeable IP's or non-routeable.

You can also create this problem by limiting the number of IP
addresses available in the DHCP address pool. Check your DHCP address
range.

It might also be that the firmware has a problem. See the list of
"max simultaneous connections" at:
<http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/component/option,com_chart/Itemid,189/chart,124/>
One of the routers listed will only handle two simultaneous
connections.

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Old 07-08-2007, 05:50 PM
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gperry@peoplescom.net wrote:
> We have a netgear CG814WG modem/router and it seems to be set to only
> allow about 4 users at a time to surf. I have looked into the router's
> settings but can't find any setting that limits the number of users or
> connections. Does anyone know how to check this and alter the
> settings to allow for more simultaneous users
>
> Thanks
>
> GP



The manual leaves that point out
http://www.simplehelp.net/images/cab...ar_CG814WG.pdf

The picture that it shows is the 4 port wired.
My wireless router has the 4 port wired plus the wireless with a range
for 100 wired and wireless computers getting unique ip address' assigned
by DHCP.

I would suspect this would be your case as well.

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Old 07-09-2007, 12:41 AM
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>Wired or wireless? If you run into the same limit with wired
>ethernet, you may have a problem with the way your ISP assigns DHCP
>addresses.


It's not the ISP. The last modem/router we had could be set for
4-to-unlimited connections. Once properly set for "unlimited" we had
no probs. But that router went belly-up and was replaced by the cable
co. Unfortunately we didn't have enough computers present that day to
see if it would support more than 4 machines. The tech said that it
should support as many connections as we needed but we have since had
some problems when more than 4 people try to connect.

Hence my problem...I don't know how to check to see if the router is
set for only 4 connections (as the last one was before the tech fixed
it) I have looked thru all the settings for the modem/router but I
didn't find anything that seemed to limit the no. (with the possible
exception of enabling upnp and increasing the no. of "hops" above 4.
However, upnp is not enabled so I don't see that that should affect
the problem.

>You can also induce this problem if the CG814WG supports 1:1 NAT,
>where it assigns routeable IP addresses to the users, instead of
>non-routeable (192.168.xxx.xxx).


I haven't had a chance to check this yet but how few connections would
it limit you to? and haw wlould you correct that?

>You can also create this problem by limiting the number of IP
>addresses available in the DHCP address pool. Check your DHCP address
>range.


I believe the range was 192.168.0.01-.19 or something close.

I appreciate your input and if you have any more ideas about what I
could check I would appreciate it. Please note that I am rather
un-savy about much of this wifi stuff so if you have other suggestions
please dummy them down!

Thanks again,

GP




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Old 07-09-2007, 12:48 AM
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>The manual leaves that point out

Yeah, I noticed that so I am left wondering if that is even
user-configurable at all.

>The picture that it shows is the 4 port wired.
>My wireless router has the 4 port wired plus the wireless with a range
>for 100 wired and wireless computers getting unique ip address' assigned
>by DHCP.


Yes it is 4 prt wired and ? wireless connections. This is a recently
replace modem/router and it is a different make than the last one.
The last one didn't even have a manufacturer name anywhere on it so I
don't have a clue what it was, but it could be set for as few as 4 or
as many as "unlimited" connections (according to the tech). I think
the unlimited part was BS but once he changed the setting we could get
6-8 people online at one time.

GP

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Old 07-09-2007, 01:18 AM
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gperry@peoplescom.net hath wroth:

>It's not the ISP. The last modem/router we had could be set for
>4-to-unlimited connections. Once properly set for "unlimited" we had
>no probs. But that router went belly-up and was replaced by the cable
>co. Unfortunately we didn't have enough computers present that day to
>see if it would support more than 4 machines. The tech said that it
>should support as many connections as we needed but we have since had
>some problems when more than 4 people try to connect.


See if there's anything you missed on the installation here:
<http://www.timewarnercable.com/centralny/customer/internet/netgear.html>
I believe it's the same breed of modem/router/wireless. I have no
clue about what page has the DHCP settings, but it's in there
somewhere. If your ISP set a limit of 4 users, you may have to disarm
this limit, exactly like you did your old modem/router/wireless.

>I haven't had a chance to check this yet but how few connections would
>it limit you to? and haw wlould you correct that?


Tell me what you get with IPCONFIG. I don't want to speculate or
offer a huge list of possible solutions without some basic info on
what it's doing. I want to know if you're getting routable or
non-routable (192.168.xxx.xxx) IP's.

>I believe the range was 192.168.0.01-.19 or something close.


I believe you might be right. However, I also believe it might be
best if you would exert some effort to find out. Assuming you're
using Windoze 2000, XP, or Vista:
Start -> run -> cmd <enter>
IPCONFIG <enter>
What do you get for an IP address?

>I appreciate your input and if you have any more ideas about what I
>could check I would appreciate it. Please note that I am rather
>un-savy about much of this wifi stuff so if you have other suggestions
>please dummy them down!


No, I don't want to do that. I don't have the patience and time to do
that. You also didn't answer two very basic questions I asked in the
previous postings. I suggest you hire a local consultant, who can
either fix the problem, show you how to fix it, or act as intermediary
between you and your ISP in case they created the problem.

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Old 07-09-2007, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: Max number of users per router/modem?

I could be way off base here but doesn't the OS being used put a limit on
how many connections can be made, XPHome = 5 and XPPro = 10
As I said I could be completely on the wrong track with this but it's
something that came to mind.
Joan


Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> gperry@peoplescom.net hath wroth:
>
>>We have a netgear CG814WG modem/router and it seems to be set to only
>>allow about 4 users at a time to surf. I have looked into the router's
>>settings but can't find any setting that limits the number of users or
>>connections. Does anyone know how to check this and alter the
>>settings to allow for more simultaneous users

>
> Wired or wireless? If you run into the same limit with wired
> ethernet, you may have a problem with the way your ISP assigns DHCP
> addresses. It's also a common side effect when you accidentally run a
> cable from the modem to one of the 4 LAN ports instead of the WAN
> port.
>
> You can also induce this problem if the CG814WG supports 1:1 NAT,
> where it assigns routeable IP addresses to the users, instead of
> non-routeable (192.168.xxx.xxx). Run:
> start -> run -> cmd <enter>
> ipconfig
> and see if your clients are getting routeable IP's or non-routeable.
>
> You can also create this problem by limiting the number of IP
> addresses available in the DHCP address pool. Check your DHCP address
> range.
>
> It might also be that the firmware has a problem. See the list of
> "max simultaneous connections" at:
> <http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/component/option,com_chart/Itemid,189/chart,124/>
> One of the routers listed will only handle two simultaneous
> connections.




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Old 07-11-2007, 03:25 AM
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>I believe you might be right. However, I also believe it might be
>best if you would exert some effort to find out. Assuming you're
>using Windoze 2000, XP, or Vista:
> Start -> run -> cmd <enter>
> IPCONFIG <enter>
>What do you get for an IP address?


IPCONFIG showed my IP to be 198.162.0.18. All computers logged on had
198.162.0.xx IPs. DHCP address range is actually 198.162.0.10 to
198.162.0.19.

I appreciate your time and trouble.

GP


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Old 07-11-2007, 04:26 AM
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:25:31 GMT, gperry@peoplescom.net wrote:

>>I believe you might be right. However, I also believe it might be
>>best if you would exert some effort to find out. Assuming you're
>>using Windoze 2000, XP, or Vista:
>> Start -> run -> cmd <enter>
>> IPCONFIG <enter>
>>What do you get for an IP address?


>IPCONFIG showed my IP to be 198.162.0.18. All computers logged on had
>198.162.0.xx IPs. DHCP address range is actually 198.162.0.10 to
>198.162.0.19.
>
>I appreciate your time and trouble.


OK, the router is doing its job and working properly. With a DHCP
range of .10 to .19, you should have 20 available IP addresses. You
should not be limited by the number of IP addresses.

However, I do notice something odd. I vaguely recall that Netgear
assigns IP addresses in sequence, in this case starting at .10. Since
your client has received .18, there are 8 other machines that were
previously issued IP addresses. Do you have 8 machines or devices
(print servers)? Probably not.

What sometimes happens is that a wide open, unencrypted, unsecured
wireless will attract misconfigured Windoze wireless clients like
flies. There's a way to configure the Windoze WZC client to connect
to any available connection. If yours is unencrypted and therefore
unsecured, you could easily have the neighborhood deciding that your
router is suitable for connecting to the internet. You could also
have the neighborhood hacker doing the same. If this continues
indefinately, you can easily run out of IP addresses, which may be the
problem.

To secure your router, please:
1. Change the SSID to something other than the default.
2. Set the encryption to WPA-PSK or WPA2-PSK (or WPA-Personal) with
an obscure pass phrase.
3. Set the router configuration password to something other than the
default.

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Old 07-11-2007, 05:26 PM
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Joan Archer wrote:
> I could be way off base here but doesn't the OS being used put a limit on
> how many connections can be made, XPHome = 5 and XPPro = 10
> As I said I could be completely on the wrong track with this but it's
> something that came to mind.
> Joan


Those are limits on the inbound connections, not on outbound.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:44 PM
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Bob Willard wrote:
> Joan Archer wrote:
>> I could be way off base here but doesn't the OS being used put a
>> limit on how many connections can be made, XPHome = 5 and XPPro = 10
>> As I said I could be completely on the wrong track with this but it's
>> something that came to mind.
>> Joan

>
> Those are limits on the inbound connections, not on outbound.


Thanks for putting me straight, my post hasn't actually shown up on my
machine so I didn't know if anyone had even seen it <g>
Joan



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