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Old 03-28-2012, 03:42 AM
Martin C.
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Default Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book from PDF(see URL)

There are electronics books out there that I'd like to print but I'm
trying to figure out what's the most efficient way to do so.

For example, here's a 250-page book titled "Designing Analog Chips" by
Hans Camenzind, located at: http://www.designinganalogchips.com

Is there an efficient printing mechanism that you can tell me about?

For example, I only have a B&W laser printer.

The book is 250 pages (so that's 125 sheets of paper).
At Costco, I can buy 1,000 sheets of paper for $35 (~4 cents a sheet).
How much is typical laser powder cost per two-sided sheet of paper?

If I assume total costs at about 5 cents a sheet, that book costs me
about $6.25 to print. But, the author recommends color. Plus you'd want
to bind it somehow. Plus, not all books are in an 8.5x11 form factor.

Larger books will cost correspondingly more.

Other than buying the book new or used on Amazon, do you have helpful
ideas for self printing of electronic design books most efficiently?

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Old 03-28-2012, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book from PDF (see URL)

"Martin C." <martincella3ca@nospam-gmail.com> wrote in
news:jku1a8$3t1$1@speranza.aioe.org:

> There are electronics books out there that I'd like to print but
> I'm trying to figure out what's the most efficient way to do so.
>
> For example, here's a 250-page book titled "Designing Analog
> Chips" by Hans Camenzind, located at:
> http://www.designinganalogchips.com
>
> Is there an efficient printing mechanism that you can tell me
> about?
>
> For example, I only have a B&W laser printer.
>
> The book is 250 pages (so that's 125 sheets of paper).
> At Costco, I can buy 1,000 sheets of paper for $35 (~4 cents a
> sheet). How much is typical laser powder cost per two-sided sheet
> of paper?
>
> If I assume total costs at about 5 cents a sheet, that book costs
> me about $6.25 to print. But, the author recommends color. Plus
> you'd want to bind it somehow. Plus, not all books are in an
> 8.5x11 form factor.
>
> Larger books will cost correspondingly more.
>
> Other than buying the book new or used on Amazon, do you have
> helpful ideas for self printing of electronic design books most
> efficiently?


Staples and FedEx/Kinkos are able to print and bind documents like
that but they are costly - likely more than simply buying the books.
You can get laser paper that is prepunched so that you can use a
normal 3-ring binder for storage. When printing pdf files, you can
resize the pages to fit 8.5x11 paper.


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Old 03-28-2012, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book fromPDF (see URL)

How about an Android tablet as an ebook reader. Do you really need hardcopy?

The book is pretty aggressive, covering semiconductors, circuits and
even layout, but seems quite skimpy on basic circuit analysis. Norton,
Thevenin, and of course models of transistors (hybrid Pi, etc). You may
want to get a used copy of Gray and Meyer.

I can see some chip designers arguing with bits of the book, especially
the part on component matching and the use of dummy elements.


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Old 03-28-2012, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: [OT] Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design bookfrom PDF (see URL)

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:42:00 +0000 (UTC), Martin C. wrote:
> There are electronics books out there that I'd like to print but I'm
> trying to figure out what's the most efficient way to do so.
>
> For example, here's a 250-page book titled "Designing Analog Chips" by
> Hans Camenzind, located at: http://www.designinganalogchips.com
>
> Is there an efficient printing mechanism that you can tell me about?
>
> For example, I only have a B&W laser printer.
>
> The book is 250 pages (so that's 125 sheets of paper).
> At Costco, I can buy 1,000 sheets of paper for $35 (~4 cents a sheet).
> How much is typical laser powder cost per two-sided sheet of paper?
>
> If I assume total costs at about 5 cents a sheet, that book costs me
> about $6.25 to print. But, the author recommends color. Plus you'd want
> to bind it somehow. Plus, not all books are in an 8.5x11 form factor.
>
> Larger books will cost correspondingly more.
>
> Other than buying the book new or used on Amazon, do you have helpful
> ideas for self printing of electronic design books most efficiently?


Using *wireless*?

[sloppy crossposting trimmed...]

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Old 03-28-2012, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: [OT] Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book from PDF (see URL)

If your eyes are good enough, use a program like FinePrint to put 4 [or even
8] pages on one piece of paper. [I do this for drafts.]
Or, as suggested above, an iPad makes an excellent reader and would hold
your entire collection. Even the smaller iPodTouch will work.



"Allodoxaphobia" <knock_yourself_out@example.net> wrote in message
news:slrnjn6799.235o.knock_yourself_out@shell.conf ig.com...
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:42:00 +0000 (UTC), Martin C. wrote:
>> There are electronics books out there that I'd like to print but I'm
>> trying to figure out what's the most efficient way to do so.
>>
>> For example, here's a 250-page book titled "Designing Analog Chips" by
>> Hans Camenzind, located at: http://www.designinganalogchips.com
>>
>> Is there an efficient printing mechanism that you can tell me about?
>>
>> For example, I only have a B&W laser printer.
>>
>> The book is 250 pages (so that's 125 sheets of paper).
>> At Costco, I can buy 1,000 sheets of paper for $35 (~4 cents a sheet).
>> How much is typical laser powder cost per two-sided sheet of paper?
>>
>> If I assume total costs at about 5 cents a sheet, that book costs me
>> about $6.25 to print. But, the author recommends color. Plus you'd want
>> to bind it somehow. Plus, not all books are in an 8.5x11 form factor.
>>
>> Larger books will cost correspondingly more.
>>
>> Other than buying the book new or used on Amazon, do you have helpful
>> ideas for self printing of electronic design books most efficiently?

>
> Using *wireless*?
>
> [sloppy crossposting trimmed...]




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Old 03-29-2012, 12:56 AM
Martin C.
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Default Re: Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book fromPDF (see URL)

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:45:00 -0700, miso wrote:

> How about an Android tablet as an ebook reader.
> Do you really need hardcopy?


I don't know ... call me old school.

There's just something about having a hard copy around ... something to
flip the pages of ... to write in the margin ... to put a bookmark in ...
that just feels right.

I can't get that on a little screen of my laptop.

BTW, I'm still looking for a good cmos analog circuit to capture,
simulate, and lay out ...

To that end, I found this set of books on the design of cmos op amps from
ADI (the masters of analog!):

Op Amp Applications Handbook
http://www.analog.com/library/analog...rchives/39-05/
op_amp_applications_handbook.html

Linear Circuit Design Handbook
http://www.analog.com/library/analog...rchives/43-09/
linear_circuit_design_handbook.html

A DESIGNER'S GUIDE TO INSTRUMENTATION AMPLIFIERS (3RD EDITION)
http://www.analog.com/en/specialty-a...on-amplifiers/
products/design-handbooks/cu_dh_designers_guide_to_instrumentation_amps/
resources/fca.html

TI Design Guide: Op Amps For Everyone:
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slod006b/slod006b.pdf

Circuits I have Known:
http://controlsignalconverter.com/do...have_known.pdf



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Old 03-29-2012, 05:42 AM
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Default Re: Most efficient way to obtain a paper analog design book fromPDF (see URL)

Well for capture and simulation, it is hard to beat LTC spice. At least
for windows.
> http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice


For layout, do you mean PCB or integrated circuit?

Gray and Meyer has some CMOS design in it. I have a number of book on
CMOS analog design, but there aren't that many secrets to it. Plenty of
other textbooks on CMOS analog. Phillip Allen, Alan Grebene for
instance. Not free of course, but they are actual textbooks.

Incidentally Hans' improved mirrors are kind of marginal. What most CMOS
companies do is use two different threshold devices based on which poly
is used. One device has a normal threshold, and the other is close to
zero. You use the low threshold device for the cascode element. Hans
circuit tries to do this by sizing the devices, but that produces a very
large device as the cascode element, which in turn has significant
capacitance. That might be all the process he used was capable of doing,
but the dual poly scheme goes back to the NMOS analog days when I was
using Intel's double poly NMOS.

ADI is fine, but these days, there are good analog designs out of TI,
LTC, Maxim and maybe a few others. But note that CMOS linear as a means
to produce analog components is marginal at best. The advantage to CMOS
linear is to product systems on a chip rather than precision components.
Note I would designate oversampled converters and charge redistribution
circuits as systems on a chip.


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